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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: 10 FLAGS on May 22, 2011, 03:11:53 PM
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Chris Newman vs Joel Bowden
One is our current captain, someone who has been unassuming for a long time, but a real warrior. I didnt rate him for a long time, but clearly he has become an outstanding leader and a good player.
Joel Bowden, Dual Best & Fairest, criticised by many including me for getting cheap kicks in defence, but had lots and lots of admirers, some say he should be regarded as a Richmond champion.
Both played mostly in defence - So Who Wins? Newman or Bowden?
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Bowden is the better player
Newman is the better leader
If I had to pick I'd pick Newman, you can't buy good leadership.
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Newman is a better Player and leader seeing as to be a great player,one has to lead by example.
Bowden winning 2 B7Fs is a yardstick of how desperate we were.
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Newman vs Bowden
To me no contest I would take Newman at any time of day any day of the year any year as simple as that.
I won't go into but if you want my opinion just look at my posts in previous threads but I will say this Newman
has shown more on field leadership in 31 games under Hardwick than the other bloke who played in 260 odd
matches.
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Bowden is the better player
Newman is the better leader
If I had to pick I'd pick Newman, you can't buy good leadership.
not sure it is that clear cut, i loved Bowdo but Newy is equally as skilled and reliable with the leadership skills that are galvanising the group, he is oft underrated newy, to those that know him he is aclaimed as a leader of men :thumbsup
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Bowden was a better kick.
Newman is a better everything else.
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Loved Joel, but hated the way he plyed at the end, therefore Newman by a mile in his lead by example, hard working, unassuming, humble, work rate
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Loved Joel, but hated the way he plyed at the end, therefore Newman by a mile in his lead by example, hard working, unassuming, humble, work rate
that was wallets fault
terry wanker ruined joel, he was played everywhere to fill holes we had
joel even shut down monsters like j brown, , could play fwd, wing, mid, back, its funny how many ppl quickly forget how dam good and strong he was
short memories
joel was and always will be a tiger great
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Loved Joel, but hated the way he plyed at the end, therefore Newman by a mile in his lead by example, hard working, unassuming, humble, work rate
that was wallets fault
terry wanker ruined joel, he was played everywhere to fill holes we had
joel even shut down monsters like j brown, , could play fwd, wing, mid, back, its funny how many ppl quickly forget how dam good and strong he was
short memories
joel was and always will be a tiger great
he was a good ordinary player and thats about it IMHO.
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Lazy.
Wouldn't listen to orders from the coach via the runner.
Was axed by Rawlings because of his poo selfish attitude.
They r facts...so the question begs,how great was he ?
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Joel was very good without being great, with a stack of talent.
Newman is just inspirational and would bleed for anything yellow and black.
Football is about desire and Newman peees out desire. Joel as much talent he has and as how versatile he was never showed a stack of desire, I couldn't say the same for Joel. Didn't like contact did Joel.
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Agree with Username. Joel was one of the best tigers of this generation.
Dont blame him for the role he played late in his career.
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Agree with Username. Joel was one of the best tigers of this generation.
Dont blame him for the role he played late in his career.
we're not.
It's more about how he went about playing the role given to him and that is,with petulance.
Newman also had different roles thrust on him as too did Richo.
Both conducted themselves with pride and passion.
For whatever reason,Bowden failed in providing 100%.
He is so not a part of history that contrary to popular belief,i dont even hate him anymore.
I'm merely setting the record straight.
I find it ironic that he was banished in the last half of his final season for reason justified,yet has squirmed his way back in with the current posse.
It actually concerns me.
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Loved Joel, but hated the way he plyed at the end, therefore Newman by a mile in his lead by example, hard working, unassuming, humble, work rate
that was wallets fault
terry wanker ruined joel, he was played everywhere to fill holes we had
joel even shut down monsters like j brown, , could play fwd, wing, mid, back, its funny how many ppl quickly forget how dam good and strong he was
short memories
joel was and always will be a tiger great
I agree completely.
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So it's settled then.
Joel catered to women and christians with his sassy yet fair sense of play...
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From a leadership perspective Newman easily
Skill wise Joel easily
Right now - I'd take Newman over Joel
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For those posters who assume Bowden didn't love Richmond, I ask you to prove it. I've met him on occassion and I know He loved the club as did Richo and they still do.
Newman is a great leader and a great player.
Now that we have a great coach, a recruiting department and a development team. And don't forget a great CEO in Benny Gale I reckon players like Bowden would have been much highly regarded if under this sort of leadership.
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Lazy.
Wouldn't listen to orders from the coach via the runner.
Was axed by Rawlings because of his poo selfish attitude.
They r facts...so the question begs,how great was he ?
:bow Rawlings.... :rollin :lol
our greatest coach ever!!!!
:jump :ROTFL
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Newman - great workhorse with heart
Bowden - more talented but probably didn't give as much as he could have. He drove me nuts!!!
Newman easy :thumbsup
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So it's settled then.
Joel catered to women and christians with his sassy yet fair sense of play...
Makes sense to me. :thumbsup
What ever happened to the days when men were men, women knew their place, and the crazy god fearing guy stayed quiet in the corner?
Fact is, Anglo, able bodied male aethiests have had their equality screwed by every other sector of the community for decades now.
We don't have special hospitals, equivalent health funding, and we have to park the furthest away at the local shopping centre.
Have you ever seen someone truly disabled drive? Didnt think so.
And what's with that parents with prams? The women who use those spaces have usually got an behind so it's not like they couldnt do with a bit of a walk...
Your all stuffed... :banghead
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HTF can anyone say his name in the same breath as Richo,FFS!
It's chalk and cheese.
what a joke.
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Lazy.
Wouldn't listen to orders from the coach via the runner.
Was axed by Rawlings because of his poo selfish attitude.
They r facts...so the question begs,how great was he ?
:bow Rawlings.... :rollin :lol
our greatest coach ever!!!!
:jump :ROTFL
Now,now.
As pathetic as Rawlings is,he addressed the problem of Joel.
The Christian sarcasm makes sense in the same way bowdens approach to his footy did.
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Ox, be ready.
Be ready for the return of Joel. We dont know when it will be....but be ready for it.
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That's right Davey
"If u believe,then You Shall live!"
i guess if u dont,u die...?
What a great guy!!
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Bowden was a very good player, but seemed to just get by on his natural talent and nothing more
Never once saw him fly the flag for the club or stick up for a team mate on the ground
Newman has his deficiencies, but he leads the team brilliantly and gets the most out of himself.
If Bowden had the work ethic or a King or Newman he could have been one of the best players to pull on the Tiger jumper... but he didn't