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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: TigerLand on June 06, 2011, 11:09:11 PM
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With the media going crazy about supporters and racism, bad language, abuse, zero tolerance etc.
I never find any racism comments amusing and have no place anywhere, the Majak Daw incident pathetic. It's reared its head about crowd behaviour and all of a sudden any insulting comments should nwo be banned? Are we getting to high and mighty about crowd behavior?
Can we call Stephen Milne a rapist?
Can we call Brendon Fevola a drunken flog?
Can we call Josh Thurgood a 'Ranga'?
Can we yell out to Lance Whitnall to go eat another pie?
Did we care when opposition supporters yell out Ben Cousins was a coke addict? We all heard it, should it be banned?
Eddie Maguire doesn't think you should be allowed to abuse played "Kick him while he's down?"
Am I allowed to yell out and say "Thats it make him earn it Tigers? If Travis Cloke takes a soft mark and Luke McGuane comes in and barrels him over?
I don't like the martyrs that ring up and say I don't take my kids to the footy because of the abuse they hear. Well thats stupid, the kids miss out on going to the footy because of their laziness. If they want to have their kids in cotton wool that's fine, go up to the top of teh olympic stand you have about 7 rows to yourself.
Bit soft for mine, thoughts?
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Can we call Stephen Milne a rapist? Morally, No. Legally, no. If he has been left unmarked and kicked 5 easy ones against us, Yes
Can we call Brendon Fevola a drunken flog? Yes
Can we call Josh Thurgood a 'Ranga'?Yeah
Can we yell out to Lance Whitnall to go eat another pie? Yes
Did we care when opposition supporters yell out Ben Cousins was a coke addict? Yes, as Ben became one of our own for that short period of time
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In the end, it is the supporter who allows him/herself to be judged when they scream out obscene comments. Having basic standards when you yell or write should be mandatory after all as George costanzo once said "were living in a society". However, there is no doubt that many posters on this forum will refer to majak daw or buddy or Pearce as the weak dog for complaining about being taunted. It's pathetic and shows up the real dogs. So while dogs walk the earth so too will racist taunts. All of the screaming obscenities is bs because you don't walk into your tearoom and call a staff member a black this or a drug addicted that. But they are footballers so I guess they deserve it. Btw, I heard majak was taunted because he wanted north to find him a house.
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Two words: Stupid people
There will always be stupid people, who will always say stupid things and that includes racist remarks etc.
Do I condone it - absolutely NOT but I am not sure how despite all the best efforts in the world you can stop stupid people saying stupid things
And can I add having heard that the taunts against Daw happened at Port Melb - can I say I am not surprised in the slightest, lots of stupid feral stuff there and some of the stuff I've heard over the years is well er...ummm...well it leaves ya like this :gobdrop :gobdrop
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community standards have changed a heck of alot, racist taunts were fairly common a decade or more ago. today they would make me cringe, It's both disgusting and pathetic. those committing the atrocities should face life bans
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No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.
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I think it's fair game unless you are racist and now in the modern day being discriminatory against their sexual orientation.
Perhaps the second one isn't as big an issue yet as no player has come out publically, but most know who some of these players are, but I don't think it is appropriate for supporters to be yelling out homophobic remarks either.
They also mentioned swearing, I don't think I've ever yelled out any insults to players using swearing but I know I do swear too much at the games but I generally don't sit near too many families with kids. Part of the frustration of being a Richmond supporter over the last 25-30 years has been so frustrating that I can't help it if I swear during a game.
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No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.
Absolute crap. If that was the case then everyone is a racist but just knows they need to keep it repressed due to social pressure.
I'm not saying it wouldn't happen from some, but it will only show you their true colours whoever stoops that low.
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No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.
Absolute crap. If that was the case then everyone is a racist but just knows they need to keep it repressed due to social pressure.
I'm not saying it wouldn't happen from some, but it will only show you their true colours whoever stoops that low.
Based on my life in Australia Id say that 80%+ of Australians have engaged in some form of racial abuse at some point and that its still prevalent today. Just look at the indians that were getting bashed, 40 years ago it was the 'lets go after the greeks, italians and other europeans" so I'm not going to tell lies, Australians are not the model example for people who fight against racism. Ok!
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I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?
I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.
They are much worse than what Fev ever did.
Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game
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No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.
I understand where your coming from Ramps, it doesn't make it right though.
I've played cricket for 15 years, and we would never accept any racist taunts whether its the first ball of the day, the last whether there is a premiership on the line or not. You just can't say that, plus there are 1000's of better sledges.
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I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?
I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.
They are much worse than what Fev ever did.
Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game
I 100% agree. But I'm starting to change my tune.
Just for discussion, is that a fair indication on drawing the line?
Everyone understands why skin colour racism isn't tolerated, why do we tolerate other types of racial abuse. Would you have a dig at someone if an opposition supporter yelled out at Houli for being a terrorist? I heard some clown yell out "get that suicide bomber" at the Essendon game. It nearly ended in a blue.
So is religion the same?
Inf brought up homo sexuality. Its a fact of life a % of people live this sort of life and some will play football. We've all made the odd gay joke. How is that different to someones skin colour? I would also say anti homosexual remarks are 15-20 times more commonly heard than any racial slurs.
So is sexual preference the same?
Again want to bring up someones hair colour as a type of racist call. Its harmless calling a red haired kid a 'range' isn't it? I wouldn't know I'm not one. But how is acceptable to yell our to Matthew Bate "Get that effing Ranga dog" compared to saying to a Liberatore "Get that wog"? Yes its hair colour, but 100 years ago calling someone black or yellow was just a skin colour?
Same with body shape, offensive fat, obese calls are obvious abuse.
Are other physical attributes the same?
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I think Eddie was wrong IMO. Big deal kick him while his down whats wrong with that. Isnt that what Krak did?
I dont care what colour his skin but im sick to death of these thugs being white grey or black, punching up others. Brogan is another.
They are much worse than what Fev ever did.
Racism should not be tolerated but anything else is fair game
I 100% agree. But I'm starting to change my tune.
Just for discussion, is that a fair indication on drawing the line?
Everyone understands why skin colour racism isn't tolerated, why do we tolerate other types of racial abuse. Would you have a dig at someone if an opposition supporter yelled out at Houli for being a terrorist? I heard some clown yell out "get that suicide bomber" at the Essendon game. It nearly ended in a blue.
So is religion the same?
Inf brought up homo sexuality. Its a fact of life a % of people live this sort of life and some will play football. We've all made the odd gay joke. How is that different to someones skin colour? I would also say anti homosexual remarks are 15-20 times more commonly heard than any racial slurs.
So is sexual preference the same?
Again want to bring up someones hair colour as a type of racist call. Its harmless calling a red haired kid a 'range' isn't it? I wouldn't know I'm not one. But how is acceptable to yell our to Matthew Bate "Get that effing Ranga dog" compared to saying to a Liberatore "Get that wog"? Yes its hair colour, but 100 years ago calling someone black or yellow was just a skin colour?
Same with body shape, offensive fat, obese calls are obvious abuse.
Are other physical attributes the same?
Okay i dont like that calling someone a terrorost when he is clearly not but i have no problem with someone calling Milne a rapist if it was proven that he indeed was one.
In this case same goes for Krak and same goes for Brogan. You do the crime you cop it sweet over the fence thats what i say.
I also dont agree with calling someone a homo. Thats their choice what they are
General across the fence banter like get the little weed, get the ranger etc etc etc., or stop playing for free kicks Lloyd you weak dog, I have no issue with at all.
I have an issue when you start getting into someone because of their colour, race or background. Thats wrong.
Getting off track but do we agree with Hinchy yelling out pedo criminals names for everyone to hear. I know i do.
Okay pedo's are in a league of their own but a criminal nonetheless just like Krak was and anyone else who decides to bring the law into their own hands.
My boss's son was killed from a behind the head punch in Glen Waverley so excuse me if i dont have any sympothy for convicted criminals.
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Sometimes I think that people go to the footy purely to scream abuse at someone or something. They think that being at the football is carte blanche for all kinds of abuse. A few years ago I had to take my kids home at half time - they were pretty young at the time but one of them started to feel physically ill because of the language that was spewing forth from a fellow Richmond supporter in the row behind us. Nothing would stop him, and most of it was directed at our own players.
I don't see why going to the football should be any different from the theatre or anywhere else in public for that matter. You wouldn't stand up in a crowded theatre and spew hatred and vitriol on one of the actors because he fluffed a line, so why should you be able to do it at the football?
The element that is missing from these abusers is humour IMO. Much of the abuse and language is just downright nasty, and intended to hurt. What's the point?
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IMO in the case of Majak Daw it is NOT acceptable what was said to him, I think that was less than poor from the crowd member
And in the case of Eddie Maguire, He is a tool- He himself got caught up in an exchange because he didnt like what he heard and tried to turn it around using his media outlet.
There was no racial vilification in this matter, However he tried to fluff it up claiming that it was leading to that..... He is also a physic now Eddie :clapping
Eddie was the perfect example of a crowd member taking it to far, the guy he was complaining about- there at least one in every bay at the mcg, DEAL with it.
It is part of football, stop trying to make this a whie collar, white glove game.
It was further interesting to see how Brad Darcy was quick to jump into his defence when Wallsy and Quaters were discussing something remotely linked to the issue Last night.
I bet they hold hands under the table whilst they broadcast
Anyway, Racism is NOT ok and Neither is Collingwood, Eddie and their poor attempts to make everything about themselves. ::)
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Can we call Stephen Milne a rapist? Morally, No. Legally, no. If he has been left unmarked and kicked 5 easy ones against us, Yes
:lol
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Aim - To establish a multi cultural society.
Method - Take a nation still honoring murders in the name of "God and freedom" from ww 2,
add liberal doses of European,Asian,African,Indigenous Native etc
Further add belief systems such as Judaism,Christianity,Muslim etc, and separate with financial status and class all the while remaining partial to AMERICAN propaganda.
Pour into odd shaped bowl.
Stir Occasionally.
Result - Violence,Anger and frustration.poo-fight
and morons debating their virtual existence.
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Based on my life in Australia Id say that 80%+ of Australians have engaged in some form of racial abuse at some point and that its still prevalent today. Just look at the indians that were getting bashed, 40 years ago it was the 'lets go after the greeks, italians and other europeans" so I'm not going to tell lies, Australians are not the model example for people who fight against racism. Ok!
I guess it depends on what kind of racism you are refering to. What is the intent? I've never used a racist term in anger or in a abusive way. I'll joke about racial stereotypes, but its never a vindictive thing. I find racist, homophobic and bigoted jokes funny but I'll even laugh about jokes about pedophilia & rape (watch Jimmy Carr's DVDs sometime :lol), so not sure if being able to laugh at those jokes makes me in anyway racist, or involved in racial abuse.
Actually the one exception to that is standard banter between mates, when having a laugh with the boys there is no limit as long as its jovial and without any malice then it's fair game.
It's often more of a maturity thing and the way your parents are. My dad is almost 70 now and from England so I often find some of his comments on "Abos" a little unsettling and I remember seeing the horror in guests faces when we were in the UK talking about the cricket and he refered to the Pakistan game as "the Pakis" (which is fine here but HUGELY offensive in the UK). Sometimes it is just unintended and sometimes it is ingrained in how you were raised. My dad regularly comments in surprise after seeing my stuff photos that the majority of my mates are all ethnic (all sorts too).
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Inf brought up homo sexuality. Its a fact of life a % of people live this sort of life and some will play football. We've all made the odd gay joke. How is that different to someones skin colour? I would also say anti homosexual remarks are 15-20 times more commonly heard than any racial slurs.
So is sexual preference the same?
I think a big reason it hasn't been addressed is that no AFL player has come forward to come out to everyone. I usually don't mind Aker, but I think of all the things he's done, the article he wrote about keeping gay AFL players in the closet is by far the worst thing he has done. A player was ready to come out then, Aker caught wind of it and wrote the article and its been swept under the rug. Until someone (or a few of them) stand united and makes the issue public it will never be dealt with properly.
The NRL have been much better off in dealing with the sexuality issue since Ian Roberts came out.
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I guess it depends on what kind of racism you are refering to. What is the intent? I've never used a racist term in anger or in a abusive way. I'll joke about racial stereotypes, but its never a vindictive thing. I find racist, homophobic and bigoted jokes funny but I'll even laugh about jokes about pedophilia & rape (watch Jimmy Carr's DVDs sometime :lol), so not sure if being able to laugh at those jokes makes me in anyway racist, or involved in racial abuse.
Actually the one exception to that is standard banter between mates, when having a laugh with the boys there is no limit as long as its jovial and without any malice then it's fair game.
It's often more of a maturity thing and the way your parents are. My dad is almost 70 now and from England so I often find some of his comments on "Abos" a little unsettling and I remember seeing the horror in guests faces when we were in the UK talking about the cricket and he refered to the Pakistan game as "the Pakis" (which is fine here but HUGELY offensive in the UK). Sometimes it is just unintended and sometimes it is ingrained in how you were raised. My dad regularly comments in surprise after seeing my stuff photos that the majority of my mates are all ethnic (all sorts too).
Isn't that part of the issue Infamy? Some people will argue that it doesn't matter if it is vindictive or abusive they are still deemed (wrongly IMHO) as racist comments. I have friends who are indigenous and to be honest if some people heard the way we sometimes speak to one another I'd hung from the highest tree and tortured, the fact that my mate gives better than me seems to be irrelevant I am the only one who gets frowned upon ;D
I appreciate your story about your Dad. I have the same thing with my Uncle who's 89, he has always referred to Aborigines as "Abos" because thats the era he grew up in, it doesn't mean he is a racist and he doesn't use it a racist manner and means absolutely no offence by it.
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Seriously everyone.
This current talk of RACISM is pure nonsense.
Hitler practiced Racism.
The guy at the footy who calls Krakouer a black idiot is just a moron.
Are you all that stupid or do u simply love playing into wasteful debates with no outcome??
FFS!
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A few years ago I had to take my kids home at half time - they were pretty young at the time but one of them started to feel physically ill because of the language that was spewing forth from a fellow Richmond supporter in the row behind us.
sure it wasn't from the pies?
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A few years ago I had to take my kids home at half time - they were pretty young at the time but one of them started to feel physically ill because of the language that was spewing forth from a fellow Richmond supporter in the row behind us.
sure it wasn't from the pies?
:lol
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The guy at the footy who calls Krakouer a black idiot is just a moron.
I actually agree with you Ox
Go back to my first post on this topic
Stupid people are just that stupid people and no matter what you do they will always be stupid
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Seriously everyone.
This current talk of RACISM is pure nonsense.
Hitler practiced Racism.
The guy at the footy who calls Krakouer a black idiot is just a moron.
Are you all that stupid or do u simply love playing into wasteful debates with no outcome??
FFS!
:thumbsup
A few years ago I had to take my kids home at half time - they were pretty young at the time but one of them started to feel physically ill because of the language that was spewing forth from a fellow Richmond supporter in the row behind us.
sure it wasn't from the pies?
;D
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Seriously everyone.
This current talk of RACISM is pure nonsense.
Hitler practiced Racism.
The guy at the footy who calls Krakouer a black idiot is just a moron.
Are you all that stupid or do u simply love playing into wasteful debates with no outcome??
FFS!
Hitler practiced genocide, huge difference, but agree it's a circular debate
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Aim - To establish a multi cultural society.
Method - Take a nation still honoring murders in the name of "God and freedom" from ww 2,
add liberal doses of European,Asian,African,Indigenous Native etc
Further add belief systems such as Judaism,Christianity,Muslim etc, and separate with financial status and class all the while remaining partial to AMERICAN propaganda.
Pour into odd shaped bowl.
Stir Occasionally.
Result - Violence,Anger and frustration.poo-fight
and morons debating their virtual existence.
OX, as how weird you are some times, you're a fascinating bloke, would be good to have a beer with I reckon.
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OX, as how weird you are some times, you're a fascinating bloke, would be good to have a beer with I reckon.
I reckon I'd need something stronger than a beer :rollin
Johnnie Walker Black label or Chivas would do the trick ;D
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;D@ weird.
I love you guys too. :shh
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;D@ weird.
I love you guys too. :shh
I think old Davey has shared a beer with you before. Two of the most interesting creatures you could stumble across
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Seriously everyone.
This current talk of RACISM is pure nonsense.
Hitler practiced Racism.
The guy at the footy who calls Krakouer a black idiot is just a moron.
Are you all that stupid or do u simply love playing into wasteful debates with no outcome??
FFS!
Hitler practiced genocide, huge difference, but agree it's a circular debate
True...based on race,creed and color.
I'd like to add,the times I have punched on with a bloke (Wog,colored whatever)
by the end of actual brawl i couldn't give a stuff what race he was.
If anything one probably feels a sense of empathy as well as respect for the opponent.
Good way to meet people an make good mates ??
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Did you bash JT? :lol
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On one hand I think ge racism is bad just shouldn't happen.
But what I don't understand that if you break it down as simple as it can be:
Why is it acceptable to label someone a 'ranga' but you can't call someone a 'wog'?
Why is that? Having red hair is a type of race? Why is it different? Cause they haven't been slaughtered and repressed? You can't call and asian bloke a 'chink?" Asians have never been made slaves? Why is skin colour sacrosanct but hair colour isn't?
I seems double standards to me? I'm not condoning either one. I'm just saying society have it wrong in my opinion, it seems that their is one type of racism and then there is another.
I'm not really into stereotype insults whether your black, white, fat, muslim, gay, dog, cat or whatever if I don't like you and want to insult you i'll just call you a idiot.
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go out and see kevin bloody wilson before he is ostracised from our tolerant multiracial community.
pee funny and totally a PC free zone
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Is this the calm before the storm I'm sensing?
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No one condones racism but if its a grand final and your team is up by 5 points and the opposition player (say an aborginal player) takes the mark, the siren goes and hes lining up from the boundary line and your in the front row or a couple of seats back then 99% of the do gooders will be spewing forth with the filthiest, most racist comments imaginable. And everybody in here knows thats the truth.
Im sorry 10fl, don't speak for me in that regard...chewy on your boot you #$%$# sucking stuff will do just fine
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go out and see kevin bloody wilson before he is ostracised from our tolerant multiracial community.
pee funny and totally a PC free zone
Much prefer Jim Jeffries & Jimmy Carr, download their DVDs from the web... seriously good humour
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Eddie Murphy Raw and Delirious. :thumbsup
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I guess it depends on what kind of racism you are refering to. What is the intent? I've never used a racist term in anger or in a abusive way. I'll joke about racial stereotypes, but its never a vindictive thing. I find racist, homophobic and bigoted jokes funny but I'll even laugh about jokes about pedophilia & rape (watch Jimmy Carr's DVDs sometime :lol), so not sure if being able to laugh at those jokes makes me in anyway racist, or involved in racial abuse.
Actually the one exception to that is standard banter between mates, when having a laugh with the boys there is no limit as long as its jovial and without any malice then it's fair game.
Isn't that part of the issue Infamy? Some people will argue that it doesn't matter if it is vindictive or abusive they are still deemed (wrongly IMHO) as racist comments. I have friends who are indigenous and to be honest if some people heard the way we sometimes speak to one another I'd hung from the highest tree and tortured, the fact that my mate gives better than me seems to be irrelevant I am the only one who gets frowned upon ;D
I don't really care about the overly PC crowd who are trying to stop people from using colour as an adjective but I think a pretty clear line can be drawn regarding the origins of this debate. If you are using the colour of someone's skin, or any other race based stereotype as part of a sledge or insult then that is not on. If you don't know the person you are speaking to, then there is no place for it either, so any of the muppets out in the crowd need to get rid of it from their lexicon.
I remember a (what I thought was) funny incident where I was speaking with a group of friends and someone pointed out a Greek girl and said look at that stupid haircut (it was one of those half black half peroxide jobs like a block of top deck). One of the girls in the crowd accused the person who said it of being racist by saying she was Greek. That is stupid, she wasn't saying all Greeks have crap haircuts, she was just pointing out that the girl was Greek (she may not have been but she had a monobrow so there's a fair chance ;) ). Those accusations of racism are just over the top, but I think when it comes to muppets yelling out at the football, it's pretty straight forward... zero tolerance.
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OX, as how weird you are some times, you're a fascinating bloke, would be good to have a beer with I reckon.
I reckon I'd need something stronger than a beer :rollin
Johnnie Walker Black label or Chivas would do the trick ;D
Single malt only for me thanks, none of that blended stuff
Eddie Murphy Raw and Delirious. :thumbsup
Delerious is an all time classic, Raw could never live up to it
For a good example of Jimmy Carr, one of my favourites is
"They say there's safety in numbers. Yea? Tell that to 6 million Jews"
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chewy on your boot you #$%$# sucking stuff will do just fine
:lol agree
one of the more recent epic sledges going around was to Sandilands lining up for goal
"hey Sandilands, you're going to die young you giant stuff!"
clean and clever, like old Brucey's phallus
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I guess it depends on what kind of racism you are refering to. What is the intent? I've never used a racist term in anger or in a abusive way. I'll joke about racial stereotypes, but its never a vindictive thing. I find racist, homophobic and bigoted jokes funny but I'll even laugh about jokes about pedophilia & rape (watch Jimmy Carr's DVDs sometime :lol), so not sure if being able to laugh at those jokes makes me in anyway racist, or involved in racial abuse.
Actually the one exception to that is standard banter between mates, when having a laugh with the boys there is no limit as long as its jovial and without any malice then it's fair game.
Isn't that part of the issue Infamy? Some people will argue that it doesn't matter if it is vindictive or abusive they are still deemed (wrongly IMHO) as racist comments. I have friends who are indigenous and to be honest if some people heard the way we sometimes speak to one another I'd hung from the highest tree and tortured, the fact that my mate gives better than me seems to be irrelevant I am the only one who gets frowned upon ;D
I don't really care about the overly PC crowd who are trying to stop people from using colour as an adjective but I think a pretty clear line can be drawn regarding the origins of this debate. If you are using the colour of someone's skin, or any other race based stereotype as part of a sledge or insult then that is not on. If you don't know the person you are speaking to, then there is no place for it either, so any of the muppets out in the crowd need to get rid of it from their lexicon.
I remember a (what I thought was) funny incident where I was speaking with a group of friends and someone pointed out a Greek girl and said look at that stupid haircut (it was one of those half black half peroxide jobs like a block of top deck). One of the girls in the crowd accused the person who said it of being racist by saying she was Greek. That is stupid, she wasn't saying all Greeks have crap haircuts, she was just pointing out that the girl was Greek (she may not have been but she had a monobrow so there's a fair chance ;) ). Those accusations of racism are just over the top, but I think when it comes to muppets yelling out at the football, it's pretty straight forward... zero tolerance.
Racism is Racism. No excuses!
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there are no excuses for Nick Giannopoulos
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Racism is Racism. No excuses!
Understand your point Flagman but....
Can I put forward this example to you and then ask the obvious question
As I mentioned I have a mate who's indigenous, if we are out and joking about like we always do and I call my mate say a "stupid black bug-ger" and he counters and calls me "a stupid white bug-ger" is that being racist?
Am I a racist? Is my mate a racist?
Do we have stop being how we've always been to appease others?
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If i don't hire somebody because they're Greek then that's racism.
If i call them a Greek dog,it's not.
LOL-Wankas!
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I guess it depends on what kind of racism you are refering to. What is the intent? I've never used a racist term in anger or in a abusive way. I'll joke about racial stereotypes, but its never a vindictive thing. I find racist, homophobic and bigoted jokes funny but I'll even laugh about jokes about pedophilia & rape (watch Jimmy Carr's DVDs sometime :lol), so not sure if being able to laugh at those jokes makes me in anyway racist, or involved in racial abuse.
Actually the one exception to that is standard banter between mates, when having a laugh with the boys there is no limit as long as its jovial and without any malice then it's fair game.
Isn't that part of the issue Infamy? Some people will argue that it doesn't matter if it is vindictive or abusive they are still deemed (wrongly IMHO) as racist comments. I have friends who are indigenous and to be honest if some people heard the way we sometimes speak to one another I'd hung from the highest tree and tortured, the fact that my mate gives better than me seems to be irrelevant I am the only one who gets frowned upon ;D
I don't really care about the overly PC crowd who are trying to stop people from using colour as an adjective but I think a pretty clear line can be drawn regarding the origins of this debate. If you are using the colour of someone's skin, or any other race based stereotype as part of a sledge or insult then that is not on. If you don't know the person you are speaking to, then there is no place for it either, so any of the muppets out in the crowd need to get rid of it from their lexicon.
I remember a (what I thought was) funny incident where I was speaking with a group of friends and someone pointed out a Greek girl and said look at that stupid haircut (it was one of those half black half peroxide jobs like a block of top deck). One of the girls in the crowd accused the person who said it of being racist by saying she was Greek. That is stupid, she wasn't saying all Greeks have crap haircuts, she was just pointing out that the girl was Greek (she may not have been but she had a monobrow so there's a fair chance ;) ). Those accusations of racism are just over the top, but I think when it comes to muppets yelling out at the football, it's pretty straight forward... zero tolerance.
Racism is Racism. No excuses!
Can you please explain in more detail what you are referring to here?
What comments of mine in particular do you consider is making an exception to racism?
Remember, using the word black does not make you racist, it is actually an adjective used for describing things you know.
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If i don't hire somebody because they're Greek then that's racism.
If i call them a Greek dog,it's not.
LOL-Wankas!
I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
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... Im proud to be a wog.
Watch you mouth. Damn racist.
;)
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Black Power !
(http://doctorbulldog.stuff-power-fist1.jpg)
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White Power ;D go to the footy l will say what l like, laws are for fools ;D
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I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
Without directly answering my question Flags I think you've answered it ;D
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laws are for fools ;D
Thanks Charlie Sheen. ;D
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I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
Without directly answering my question Flags I think you've answered it ;D
I do my best ;D
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White Power ;D go to the footy l will say what l like, laws are for fools ;D
If I ridicule someone for being a fool I'm a Tigermonkist. lol :-*
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I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
Without directly answering my question Flags I think you've answered it ;D
I do my best ;D
Thanks appreciate although I am still very confused and not sure if I am racist or just a silly old bug-ger :P
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I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
Without directly answering my question Flags I think you've answered it ;D
I do my best ;D
Thanks appreciate although I am still very confused and not sure if I am racist or just a silly old bug-ger :P
Sorry WP, your comments offend me because you are perpetuating the stereotype that old buggers are silly.
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My thoughts on racism are all based 'inward'. By that, I mean racism is a state or attitude is based on the intent/words/actions of the person being accused. I don't subscribe to the political correctness of language, nor the branding of ethnicity based on the actions of an individual. I have no racist thought in my mind and take/treat every individual I meet on the merits of their 'person'. I abhor true racism. Having said that, another poster has already mentioned that generational differences can play a part and I agree with that. My parents are Australian-born, level headed, reasonable, generous and sympathetic white people but often fall into the 'trap' of classing aboriginal people as lazy with a tendency to be unemployed and drink to uncontrollable excess. I often cringe when they pass a simple (throwaway) comment because I know any debate with them would fall on deaf ears - it's what they grew up believing and therefore is. They would agree with me that these attributes can apply just as easily to any member of our community but it won't stop them thinking that about aboriginal people in general. Same as never forgiving Japanese people for wartime atrocities, despite no modern day Japanese person having any culpability for that. My parents generation was from a time more simplistic, yet more blinkered to differences in race. I mention this to help explain my position - I don't care as much about what is said or written (as long as it remains within the boundaries of acceptable social conventions), nearly as much as the value I place on actions to each other - that's where you will find out if a person is really racist or not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6F2Dd_TLGo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6F2Dd_TLGo&feature=related)
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it explains a lot.
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I agree with Brackets. Also wogs can call other wogs wogs because thats allowed and it isnt racism,but there seems to be some sort of move to make all comments seem 'racist' thats why I said before "Racism is Racism - No excuses!" because either we agree with Brackets which means that most abuse is not racist or we make everything out to be racist which is wrong. I dont care either way, Im proud to be a wog.
Without directly answering my question Flags I think you've answered it ;D
I do my best ;D
Thanks appreciate although I am still very confused and not sure if I am racist or just a silly old bug-ger :P
Sorry WP, your comments offend me because you are perpetuating the stereotype that old buggers are silly.
Well it appears settled then willy, it seems I am both :'( :'(
:thumbsup :rollin
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Well it appears settled then willy, it seems I am both :'( :'(
:thumbsup :rollin
I've change my mind (you can do that when you're feeling old) ;D
I'm just a silly old bug-ger :cheers :cheers