One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 17, 2011, 01:11:22 PM
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Benny was just on 3aw.
* I turned on the radio just as Shaw said he's glad the Benny just said he didn't use travel as an excuse.
* Last 4-5 weeks - slow moving the ball, spasmodic play. We've been reactive rather than proactive. There's been no run.
* One thing people might not realise is the side yesterday was younger than the Gold Coast's.
* Jack partly a victim of the way we've slowly and haphazardly moved the ball. He's overall game has improved this year (giving off goals) even if he isn't kicking as many goals as last year.
* Results shows last 4-5 weeks show we're not good enough (Shaw said we need to be brutal to make another 8-10 changes this year). We can't address this overnight as this is a compromised and thin draft. We can't afford to make poor list management decisons. There's free agency coming in which we need to be prepared for.
* Shaw also said it's not a admin or coaching problem. It's a player (as in playing list) problem. He knows that from his last year as coach of Collingwood and look where they are now.
* Benny said our midfield, forward line is developing potency however we know we need to develop the backline and ruck.
* The Club has been on record we'll be active during the trade period. We lack depth and we lack experience. Only can make good list management decisions and play the kids.
* Supporters and members have been amazing. I think they understand it's a long-term journey.
* Caro said we have the right CEO, footy dept. but winning games early on got expectations up. Benny said we have a fan base that grew up on success but we haven't been successful in recent times.
* Coming into the most competitive time in this sport's history. It's going to take time. We'll box on.
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* One thing people might not realise is the side yesterday was younger than the Gold Coast's.
This is a grade A bultish cop out.
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what a rubbish interview
Too Caro credit, she started to ask hard question and Benny started to squirm
Good handball by Benny in regards to the selling of games.
He said quote "' the footy dept had input into the decision and its was a much a footy dept decision.""
:chuck :chuck :chuck :thatsgold
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what a rubbish interview
Too Caro credit, she started to ask hard question and Benny started to squirm
Good handball by Benny in regards to the selling of games.
He said quote "' the footy dept had input into the decision and its was a much a footy dept decision.""
:chuck :chuck :chuck :thatsgold
A footy dept decision???
Is it the footy department or the fundraising department. I thought the footy departments job was to get wins, not sell them off to the highest bidder. What a heap of crap Benny.
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thats what Benny said ::)
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Whatever Benny would have said we were nnot going to be happy after yesterday. Emotions are too raw still.
From
the team
the coach
The sellout of home games
the gamestyle
giving up a six goal lead
the quality of the list
Dimma's binning of matches
Run of goals opposition kicks against us
I think Benny needs to understand the honeymoon is over and the fans who have so thoughtfully dutifully lovingly and caringly stuck with the club donated to the club invested in the club loved the club sacrificed for the club made time for the club sooner or later will abandon the club due to its lack of success and its inability to rise to anything better than mediocre.
The last three weeks have destroyed all the good will between club and supporter. The club now as a public relations enterprise with its fans is where it was a few years back.
Somehow the club needs to emerge from the rubble dust itself off and make all the right moves over the next few years otherwise there will be nothing left to box on about as the fans patience is wearing as thin as the atmosphere at 40000 feet.
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Tuckerbag, 100% agree with you.
They as a club need to do some radical.
otherwise we are just going around in circles
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some radical stuff outs on their skate boards
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Money more important than finals: Gale
By Laura Gardiner
Sports News First
17 July 2011
RICHMOND chief executive Brendan Gale has defended his board’s decision to sell two home games, saying the Tigers are not looking for a short-term fix.
The Tigers lost their Round 17 home fixture against Gold Coast by 15 points in Cairns, after letting slip a 36-point quarter time lead, to hand the Suns just their third win in their short history in the AFL.
In what was Richmond’s second sold home game of the season, after suffering a demoralising 15-point loss to Port Adelaide at Darwin’s TIO Stadium in Round 10, the Tigers’ forward line was stifled by the surging Suns, with exciting key forward Jack Riewoldt managing just one goal.
But club chief Gale defended his and the board’s decision to force the young Tigers to travel north for two home games, saying he would rather the club have long-term financial stability than wins in the short term.
“Look, we made a decision about 18 months ago for our club to become competitive, on a sustained basis we have to build our financial strength,” Gale told Melbourne radio 3AW.
“Within that context, a decision was made to sell, what can only be described as, a low-value game in terms of Gold Coast more likely at Etihad Stadium – to sell that game for a reasonable return.
“And there were other factors too, we just thought with an extremely young, developing list, that we need to stuff their development as soon as possible.
“We thought, putting a team on the road, building resilience and mental toughness – that was an important part of the decision as well.”
Going down to their fourth loss in a row on Saturday, the Tigers now face a mammoth month of football, hosting second-placed Geelong at Etihad Stadium next Sunday and then after the bye in Round 19 they must travel to Perth to face much-improved West Coast at Paterson Stadium.
Making the finals now seems an impossible task for the Tigers, who sit on five wins, 10 losses and a draw, but Gale says the finals were never a priority this season.
“To us, (the finals) is a short-term view of things. We’ll get to the finals when we get there on merit,” Gale said.
“We’ve, I think, taken too many short-term decisions as a footy club. We’re about taking a long-term view about building the financial strength and competitiveness of this football club.
“Unfortunately you don’t get handed it overnight.
“You don’t get handed it in five minutes. And I’m absolutely confident we’ll get to the finals on merit when we deserve to get there.”
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/07/17/money-more-important-than-finals-gale/
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Do something radical ... like ... you know ... ummmm ... yeah .... nah .... watsup .... oh yeah .... play a full 4 quarter effort !
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Whatever Benny would have said we were nnot going to be happy after yesterday. Emotions are too raw still.
From
the team
the coach
The sellout of home games
the gamestyle
giving up a six goal lead
the quality of the list
Dimma's binning of matches
Run of goals opposition kicks against us
I think Benny needs to understand the honeymoon is over and the fans who have so thoughtfully dutifully lovingly and caringly stuck with the club donated to the club invested in the club loved the club sacrificed for the club made time for the club sooner or later will abandon the club due to its lack of success and its inability to rise to anything better than mediocre.
The last three weeks have destroyed all the good will between club and supporter. The club now as a public relations enterprise with its fans is where it was a few years back.
Somehow the club needs to emerge from the rubble dust itself off and make all the right moves over the next few years otherwise there will be nothing left to box on about as the fans patience is wearing as thin as the atmosphere at 40000 feet.
as people know im not one to defend our club or our players i have and will continue to call a spade a spade. but sheesh people need to realise the honeymoon has just started.
1 the team - clearly bottom 4. lacks experience quality size structure and enough up to standard players aged 22 - 30.
2 the coach - in just his second yr working with one of the worst and most inexperienced lists in the comp having just cleaned out half of it.
3 the sellout of home games - simply put while a bottom dweller a marvelous idea. killing debt and putting more resources into recruitment etc is the most important thing going on at the club.
4 the game style - will always suffer because of the above 1 team.
5 giving up a 6 goal lead - sheesh we kicked with a gale in the first q did people not think gc would kick their share when it was their turn.unbelievable.
6 the quality of the list - bloody hell everyone knows its crap yet expect to win games. unrealistic expectations is the problem.
7 dimmas binning of matches. said publicly but do people really think there was no review done by the club.
8 last but not least run of goals opposition kicks against us.probably related to 1 2 4 and 6 is anyone really surprised that this happens with the teams we currently put out on the park.
somehow the club needs to ignore the ill informed musings and rants of its deluded reactionary feral supporters stick to its processes recruit well pay of its debt resource critical depts etc nothing more or less.
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as people know im not one to defend our club or our players i have and will continue to call a spade a spade. but sheesh people need to realise the honeymoon has just started.
1 the team - clearly bottom 4. lacks experience quality size structure and enough up to standard players aged 22 - 30.
2 the coach - in just his second yr working with one of the worst and most inexperienced lists in the comp having just cleaned out half of it.
3 the sellout of home games - simply put while a bottom dweller a marvelous idea. killing debt and putting more resources into recruitment etc is the most important thing going on at the club.
4 the game style - will always suffer because of the above 1 team.
5 giving up a 6 goal lead - sheesh we kicked with a gale in the first q did people not think gc would kick their share when it was their turn.unbelievable.
6 the quality of the list - bloody hell everyone knows its crap yet expect to win games. unrealistic expectations is the problem.
7 dimmas binning of matches. said publicly but do people really think there was no review done by the club.
8 last but not least run of goals opposition kicks against us.probably related to 1 2 4 and 6 is anyone really surprised that this happens with the teams we currently put out on the park.
somehow the club needs to ignore the ill informed musings and rants of its deluded reactionary feral supporters stick to its processes recruit well pay of its debt resource critical depts etc nothing more or less.
Very good post claw - agree with alot of what you've said
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as people know im not one to defend our club or our players i have and will continue to call a spade a spade. but sheesh people need to realise the honeymoon has just started.
1 the team - clearly bottom 4. lacks experience quality size structure and enough up to standard players aged 22 - 30.
2 the coach - in just his second yr working with one of the worst and most inexperienced lists in the comp having just cleaned out half of it.
3 the sellout of home games - simply put while a bottom dweller a marvelous idea. killing debt and putting more resources into recruitment etc is the most important thing going on at the club.
4 the game style - will always suffer because of the above 1 team.
5 giving up a 6 goal lead - sheesh we kicked with a gale in the first q did people not think gc would kick their share when it was their turn.unbelievable.
6 the quality of the list - bloody hell everyone knows its crap yet expect to win games. unrealistic expectations is the problem.
7 dimmas binning of matches. said publicly but do people really think there was no review done by the club.
8 last but not least run of goals opposition kicks against us.probably related to 1 2 4 and 6 is anyone really surprised that this happens with the teams we currently put out on the park.
somehow the club needs to ignore the ill informed musings and rants of its deluded reactionary feral supporters stick to its processes recruit well pay of its debt resource critical depts etc nothing more or less.
You're on fire today Claw! :clapping
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Money more important than finals: Gale
By Laura Gardiner
Sports News First
17 July 2011
RICHMOND chief executive Brendan Gale has defended his board’s decision to sell two home games, saying the Tigers are not looking for a short-term fix.
The Tigers lost their Round 17 home fixture against Gold Coast by 15 points in Cairns, after letting slip a 36-point quarter time lead, to hand the Suns just their third win in their short history in the AFL.
In what was Richmond’s second sold home game of the season, after suffering a demoralising 15-point loss to Port Adelaide at Darwin’s TIO Stadium in Round 10, the Tigers’ forward line was stifled by the surging Suns, with exciting key forward Jack Riewoldt managing just one goal.
But club chief Gale defended his and the board’s decision to force the young Tigers to travel north for two home games, saying he would rather the club have long-term financial stability than wins in the short term.
“Look, we made a decision about 18 months ago for our club to become competitive, on a sustained basis we have to build our financial strength,” Gale told Melbourne radio 3AW.
“Within that context, a decision was made to sell, what can only be described as, a low-value game in terms of Gold Coast more likely at Etihad Stadium – to sell that game for a reasonable return.
“And there were other factors too, we just thought with an extremely young, developing list, that we need to stuff their development as soon as possible.
“We thought, putting a team on the road, building resilience and mental toughness – that was an important part of the decision as well.”
Going down to their fourth loss in a row on Saturday, the Tigers now face a mammoth month of football, hosting second-placed Geelong at Etihad Stadium next Sunday and then after the bye in Round 19 they must travel to Perth to face much-improved West Coast at Paterson Stadium.
Making the finals now seems an impossible task for the Tigers, who sit on five wins, 10 losses and a draw, but Gale says the finals were never a priority this season.
“To us, (the finals) is a short-term view of things. We’ll get to the finals when we get there on merit,” Gale said.
“We’ve, I think, taken too many short-term decisions as a footy club. We’re about taking a long-term view about building the financial strength and competitiveness of this football club.
“Unfortunately you don’t get handed it overnight.
“You don’t get handed it in five minutes. And I’m absolutely confident we’ll get to the finals on merit when we deserve to get there.”
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/07/17/money-more-important-than-finals-gale/
and what happens if there plan doesnt work?
three flags in how many years ? :banghead
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as people know im not one to defend our club or our players i have and will continue to call a spade a spade. but sheesh people need to realise the honeymoon has just started.
1 the team - clearly bottom 4. lacks experience quality size structure and enough up to standard players aged 22 - 30.
2 the coach - in just his second yr working with one of the worst and most inexperienced lists in the comp having just cleaned out half of it.
3 the sellout of home games - simply put while a bottom dweller a marvelous idea. killing debt and putting more resources into recruitment etc is the most important thing going on at the club.
4 the game style - will always suffer because of the above 1 team.
5 giving up a 6 goal lead - sheesh we kicked with a gale in the first q did people not think gc would kick their share when it was their turn.unbelievable.
6 the quality of the list - bloody hell everyone knows its crap yet expect to win games. unrealistic expectations is the problem.
7 dimmas binning of matches. said publicly but do people really think there was no review done by the club.
8 last but not least run of goals opposition kicks against us.probably related to 1 2 4 and 6 is anyone really surprised that this happens with the teams we currently put out on the park.
somehow the club needs to ignore the ill informed musings and rants of its deluded reactionary feral supporters stick to its processes recruit well pay of its debt resource critical depts etc nothing more or less.
Great post, agree with all the above,
Edited: to correct quote
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Financially this year what are people expecting profit wise not including the funds from the fund.
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win some game would help
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Benny had better brace himself for huge drop off in membership next year, people cant continue in tough times to stuff out hard earned to watch this tripe!!!
The only way this will change is if they do some amazing things off field over the summer, by this I mean Scully, O'Meara, a quality ruck and a quality defender as well as some changes to the coaching structure!!!
Time will tell but I do fear the drop off will be massive if we continue tracking the graph we are tracking at the minute
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just watched the last quarter of the kangas and Dogs.
Kangas have a crack.
Thats all I ask of the RFC , have a crack
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just watched the last quarter off the kangas and Dogs.
Kangas have a crack.
Thats all I ask of the RFC , have a crack
you know what Jack thats probably your best post in months
This year and last was about having a crack. 1 or 2 tackles in a game is not having a crack.
The message is not getting through because players need to respect the coach not treat him like their good buddy
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respect is not earned solely from being "hard" daniel.
do you respect your mates?
do you repect people you deem to an hole because of the way they treat people?
i dont have a problem with hardwick getting on well with his players as long as he lays down the law when needed...and doesnt do it the public domain.
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respect is not earned solely from being "hard" daniel.
do you respect your mates?
do you repect people you deem to an behindhole because of the way they treat people?
i dont have a problem with hardwick getting on well with his players as long as he lays down the law when needed...and doesnt do it the public domain.
well thats where you and i differ.
the vision of Dimma stuffing around at training reminded me of spud and i hated it, but hey thats my opinion.
Laying down the law well IMO i have seen anything but that. How can you possibly explain the ins and outs the last 8 weeks. Seriously!!
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i actually fully understand what you are saying about spud as i too thought that was huge problem of his.
I just dont think hardwick is the same sort of personality as spud though.
now when you say that's where we differ are you talking about earning respect?
what is that makes you respect other people?
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i actually fully understand what you are saying about spud as i too thought that was huge problem of his.
I just dont think hardwick is the same sort of personality as spud though.
now when you say that's where we differ are you talking about earning respect?
what is that makes you respect other people?
we are talking about players not playing to the demands of the coach, hence they must not respect him or his values.
Thats unless it was Dimma who instructed that pathetic 3rd quarter
Dimma said from day one if you cant kick you dont get a game, well hello that hasn't happened. defensive pressure, not much change there. Jackson big tough guy 2 tackles.
I think this club needs a hardened coach not a guy next door type. We are not your normal footy club we are the RFC and we have been through 30 years of rubbish.
All i ask of Dimma is he sticks to the comments he made when he started and i would like him to get the players to earn a spot in the 22 not carry on like its their right to be there.
I would send Jack R to Coburg for a month as a start
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didnt see one shepherd yesterday. :banghead
seen plenty tonight by the Kangas though
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we are talking about players not playing to the demands of the coach, hence they must not respect him or his values.
while that is possible, it doesnt mean it is true. if you know the trick to always getting the best out players then there's a lot of sporting clubs in the world that would love to know the secret. poo even racehorses loose form. it's not like we have been playing this way all along
I think this club needs a hardened coach not a guy next door type.
i can tell you from experience it is possible for coaches to be both.
It is probably those that can do this that make the best coaches
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Whatever Benny would have said we were nnot going to be happy after yesterday. Emotions are too raw still.
From
the team
the coach
The sellout of home games
the gamestyle
giving up a six goal lead
the quality of the list
Dimma's binning of matches
Run of goals opposition kicks against us
I think Benny needs to understand the honeymoon is over and the fans who have so thoughtfully dutifully lovingly and caringly stuck with the club donated to the club invested in the club loved the club sacrificed for the club made time for the club sooner or later will abandon the club due to its lack of success and its inability to rise to anything better than mediocre.
The last three weeks have destroyed all the good will between club and supporter. The club now as a public relations enterprise with its fans is where it was a few years back.
Somehow the club needs to emerge from the rubble dust itself off and make all the right moves over the next few years otherwise there will be nothing left to box on about as the fans patience is wearing as thin as the atmosphere at 40000 feet.
as people know im not one to defend our club or our players i have and will continue to call a spade a spade. but sheesh people need to realise the honeymoon has just started.
1 the team - clearly bottom 4. lacks experience quality size structure and enough up to standard players aged 22 - 30.
2 the coach - in just his second yr working with one of the worst and most inexperienced lists in the comp having just cleaned out half of it.
3 the sellout of home games - simply put while a bottom dweller a marvelous idea. killing debt and putting more resources into recruitment etc is the most important thing going on at the club.
4 the game style - will always suffer because of the above 1 team.
5 giving up a 6 goal lead - sheesh we kicked with a gale in the first q did people not think gc would kick their share when it was their turn.unbelievable.
6 the quality of the list - bloody hell everyone knows its crap yet expect to win games. unrealistic expectations is the problem.
7 dimmas binning of matches. said publicly but do people really think there was no review done by the club.
8 last but not least run of goals opposition kicks against us.probably related to 1 2 4 and 6 is anyone really surprised that this happens with the teams we currently put out on the park.
somehow the club needs to ignore the ill informed musings and rants of its deluded reactionary feral supporters stick to its processes recruit well pay of its debt resource critical depts etc nothing more or less.
Brilliant Post
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Players to blame, says former Tiger
Jesse Hogan
July 18, 2011
RETIRED Richmond forward Nathan Brown says his former club's failure to beat the league's bottom two teams this season is the fault of the players, not the administrators who shifted those home matches interstate.
As Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale staunchly defended the deals to sell two home matches — one to Darwin, one to Cairns — Brown labelled the loss on Saturday to Gold Coast in north Queensland "deplorable".
"The players let the club down," Gale told The Sunday Footy Show. "The club sells the game because the club makes $1 million to get even, to spend more money on the football department like Collingwood and Hawthorn do, and try to get some more people in recruiting and some more people to the club, like a ruckman."
Brown quarantined the Tigers' coach, Damien Hardwick, from blame after Saturday's loss to the Suns and the round-10 loss to Port Adelaide.
"People are starting to talk about his coaching. It's not his coaching, [it's] the players," Brown said.
Former Collingwood coach Tony Shaw similarly believed it was a "total cop-out" for anybody to suggest the Richmond board and management were liable for the losses that have all but extinguished the club's hopes of reach the finals.
"This is a player-based issue, not coach or administration," he said.
Shaw urged the club to be "brutal" when reviewing its list at the end of the season and cut at least eight players.
Gale yesterday conceded shifting the matches from Victoria, where they would have produced a negligible financial return, could effectively have cost it "four or eight points" but gave the theory short shrift in defending the decision.
"To simply focus on the selling of the game as the basis of that result is an excuse, a cop-out, and we won't accept it as a footy club," Gale told 3AW.
"We'll get to the finals when we get there on merit. Yeah, we may have picked up four or eight points [by playing at home], who knows? It's probably a bit of an insult to the opposition we played.
"We've taken too many short-term decisions as a footy club. We're [now] about taking a long-term view of building financial strength and competitiveness . . . it takes longer than five minutes."
Gale said truly competing with the league's best clubs required a significant increase in its football-department spending.
He believes the multimillion-dollar gap between it and elite clubs such as Collingwood "has a bearing on your performances as a football club — and it's happening now".
He urged members to consider the club's view that decisions such as selling matches, to help eradicate debt, would ultimately benefit the club.
"The passion of our members has sustained us through some lean times in recent years. I felt the wrath of that [on Saturday], I was heckled and confronted at times. That goes with the territory," he said.
"I can understand the disappointment and frustration of a lot of our supporters but we are simply not going to accept short-term fixes.
"It's happened too often in the past. Unfortunately there's going to be a bit more pain but I'm confident we're on the right trajectory."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/players-to-blame-says-former-tiger-20110717-1hka7.html#ixzz1SNm3yDpd
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Financially this year what are people expecting profit wise not including the funds from the fund.
Are you just talking soley profit Flagman or are you interested in the Balance Sheet as well eg the debt?
Remembering they are 2 different beasts, interest on the debt affects profit but the debt reduction is tied to a generation of cash = totally seperate to profit ;D
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You can't argue with his long term view or revenue raising rationale, I just wish we we're forced into a position where we had to disadvantage our chances on the field. I guess, to be a contender, it shouldn't matter where we play and under what conditions but when we are struggling to be there abouts it does. I just hope the monetary rewards and subsequent investment into the football department makes a difference so we don't have to go through these types of depressing periods any longer. :pray
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Financially this year what are people expecting profit wise not including the funds from the fund.
Are you just talking soley profit Flagman or are you interested in the Balance Sheet as well eg the debt?
Remembering they are 2 different beasts, interest on the debt affects profit but the debt reduction is tied to a generation of cash = totally seperate to profit ;D
Interested in how the balance sheet looks at the end of the year and in particular statement of cash flows and how its impacted the financial position of the club.
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So you dont' want to know about profit? Your now more interested in cash flow? A different document again. I have said this many times Cash doesn't equal and mean profit
But to answer your original question about Profit without the FTF monies I expect a profit between $400-$900k.
Re the Balance Sheet again without the FTF monies I would think the debt ($4mil) would remain at either the same level or down slightly by say $200-500k.
I would think any extra cash generated (again without the FTF money) would be used to fund the increase of spend in the footy dept for 2011.
I would not expect to see any sort of great change in our cash reserves especially if we make any reduction to our overall bank debt.... the only way the debt can get reduced is by cash.... and around and around we go.... ;D
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Here's the audio of Benny Gale's interview on 3aw:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/roarvisionarchive/tabid/11454/contentid/372818/default.aspx