One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on March 20, 2012, 12:12:46 PM
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KB and Walls were on SEN just before discussing each club's most important player. They didn't necessarily mean the best but someone each club either could not afford to lose or was needed to go that extra/next step.
KB said Deledio in the midfield is and will be our most important player this year and he showed that against GWS on the weekend.
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After seeing Ivan in the NAB cup, if we lose him we're in trouble.
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Agree with KB. Lids for sure.
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I agree with wayne - Ivan will give Lids every chance of getting first use of the ball but without a good ruckman all of our midfielders look second best.
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Cotchin for mine.
He's the engine. Rolls Royce.
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Cotch
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I agree with wayne - Ivan will give Lids every chance of getting first use of the ball but without a good ruckman all of our midfielders look second best.
Yeah Cotchin and Martin looked second best last year....
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Cotchin for mine.
He's the engine. Rolls Royce.
THE CHIMP
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Cotchin for mine.
He's the engine. Rolls Royce.
THE CHIMP
Kazooooo!
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Agree Cotchin. :thumbsup
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If Vickery can take his game to another level as a forward/ruck supporting Maric it will add another dimension to our midfield
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Cotchin with Lids not that far behind
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Cotch
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McGuane ;D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :pray
Vickery is the most important IMV, Has to backup his great work from last year. It will take preasure off our forwards & will add worry for the opposition. As l stated some years back, Vickery should have been thrusted up forward to create problems while we were developing & most importantly, him being developed which Hardwick done. Now he is feared & very important to keeping the preasure & the ball in our forward half while it will take another 2 seasons to build the backline & take us to Premiership glory ;D :thumbsup
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McGuane ;D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :pray
Vickery is the most important IMV, Has to backup his great work from last year. It will take preasure off our forwards & will add worry for the opposition. As l stated some years back, Vickery should have been thrusted up forward to create problems while we were developing & most importantly, him being developed which Hardwick done. Now he is feared & very important to keeping the preasure & the ball in our forward half while it will take another 2 seasons to build the backline & take us to Premiership glory ;D :thumbsup
It's extremely important for our finals aspirations that McGuane plays for Coburg. So you're on the money. :lol
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McGuane ;D >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :pray
Vickery is the most important IMV, Has to backup his great work from last year. It will take preasure off our forwards & will add worry for the opposition. As l stated some years back, Vickery should have been thrusted up forward to create problems while we were developing & most importantly, him being developed which Hardwick done. Now he is feared & very important to keeping the preasure & the ball in our forward half while it will take another 2 seasons to build the backline & take us to Premiership glory ;D :thumbsup
The monkey has spoken our year is 2014.
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In a team game the most important player can vary from week to week. It could be the one doing the 1%ers, the one who inspires people most, the one who the club revolves around, the one who gets 2 possessions but shuts down an opposition player, the one who gets the most tackles, the one who puts his head over the ball, the one who supports his team mates the most, the one who is breaking into the team, the one who trains the hardest, the one who you will go to war for.
Sure the question could have been who is our best player? But who is our most important player? Only someone from the team could possibly answer that question./
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Is anyone still uncertain as to Cotchin's importance?
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Until the usual suspects stop getting a free ride it doesn't matter who is our most important, you need contribution from 22 not 18 or 19
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Is anyone still uncertain as to Cotchin's importance?
Still believe Maric is our most important player in 2012. He's no where near as talented but his importance was underlined last night when he went off and Vickery went into the ruck. Vickery had an off night as is a good second ruck but we were 6 points out of it when Maric went off and suddenly Carlton kicked away with two quick center clearances.
Maric makes players like Cotch look good at stoppages.
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Maric makes players like Cotch look good at stoppages.
Players like Cotch?
Maric is an upgrade on Graham but let's not get carried away here.
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at this point its Hardwick
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Maric makes players like Cotch look good at stoppages.
Players like Cotch?
Maric is an upgrade on Graham but let's not get carried away here.
Yep. Stripes, that is the most disgusting thing I have ever read. The Chimp makes himself look good. He could look good with Cain Ackland as our ruckman. Maric is handy but he's not going to turn our midfielders into guns @ stoppages. Either they have the ability or they don't. St Kilda's midfielders looked good under Grant Thomas and they had FA ruckman at that club
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Maric makes players like Cotch look good at stoppages.
assume you mean better?
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Is anyone still uncertain as to Cotchin's importance?
No but had Vickery played as we know he can, we finish 5 goals closer.
His versatility is crucial
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Results from the Herald-Sun poll asking who is Richmond's most important player ...
Cotchin 39%
Riewoldt 31%
Deledio 26%
Rance 3%
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/vote-for-each-afl-clubs-most-important-player-in-our-interactive/story-fnctrk3q-1226310403280
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Maric makes players like Cotch look good at stoppages.
Players like Cotch?
Maric is an upgrade on Graham but let's not get carried away here.
Sorry missed this post. Yes Maric does make our midfielders look better. Maric doesn't make Cotchin or any of our midfielders better players but he gets the ball into their hands more often which allows them generate more offensive play. Conversely, with a ruckman like Gus, our midfielders (including Cotch) were forced to be more defensive.
I wouldn't swap Cotchin, Martin, Lids or probably half a dozen other players on our list for the big mullet but in terms of importance Maric is our front line in every battle. If he doesn't get his hands to it, or at least stop the opposition ruckman from getting their hands to it, we are always on the backfoot.
Just my opinion as always of course ;D
Yep. Stripes, that is the most disgusting thing I have ever read. The Chimp makes himself look good. He could look good with Cain Ackland as our ruckman. Maric is handy but he's not going to turn our midfielders into guns @ stoppages. Either they have the ability or they don't. St Kilda's midfielders looked good under Grant Thomas and they had FA ruckman at that club
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What's people thoughts now? :huh
IMHO If Cotch went down during the season it would make life difficult but we now have the depth to cover him in that role (not to the same standard of course) but if the Mullet went down we could kiss our season goodbye. Big Ivan is now irreplaceable and the biggest difference to our improvement this year.
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Still the Chimp followed by Lids. Would not make finals if one of them were injured. Maric would be a big loss but we've won games with Graham before.
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Deledio just
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Maric is pretty important, I think Lids is electric, Cotch is the trooper on the ground getting in and under along with Tuck.
They all have a role to play BUT interesting noting Maric, we had Ottens who turned into arguably one of the better rucks in the competition,, was he that good at Richmond? I think Maric at Richmond is 3 times better than Ottens was at Richmond and it is to do with attitude. It looks as if the team is excited and bonding well, Is this Cotch, Lids, Dusty, Morris, Tuck? or is Ivan the catalyst holding it all together or is it Dimma? whatever, I am loving the whole year to date and hats off to the whole team. For my money if you had to single a player out who seems to have caused the most change in the team it is Ivan.
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Right at this moment, Alex Rance
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big ivan easily. cant win against good sides without him imo. dominates thr stoppages, in the centre as well and gets back to help out in defense. he doesnt just compete in the ruck when he hits the ground hes throwing his weight around creating space and making opposition think. hes also taking contested marks all over the ground. he is the aa ruckman atm thats how good hes been.
imo i think the greatest need we have is to find a bloody good young ruckman because atm i cant see any of browne derickx graham or vickery performing anywhere near this bloke.two very good ruckmen should be the aim.
also i think we would struggle big time if cotchin got hurt but hes just one of a group of 6 who are all travelling well atm. the quality does fall away after these 6 and lose two or three and we can kiss the season goodbye.
for sure we need another 4 mids in our system to go with arnot and helbig who both show promise. two of the four should be quality we should use our first rounder and the port pick on the best available. lets get ourselves to the situation if injury does happen we arent knocked from pillar to post. like so many sides are atm.
we have played some damn good footy but the real key to any future success will be our depth and how we cope with injuries.
we have used just 27 players this yr. the least of all clubs the average is 32 the most 38.
have a look at those 27 players, 9 or 10 are battlers and im sure over the next few yrs we will be looking to phase them out.
its what happens when have to find another 5 or 6 outside of that 27. as far as genuine mids go there is only arnot and helbig and helbig is injured. as far as ruckmen go theres only really graham sheesh its a big step up for him to give even half of what ivan has atm.
look at the defense we were forced to play griffiths when grimes got hurt a 10 game player into a key post what happens if rance goes down?
what happens if jack gets hurt hes had a poor season but hes so far in front of anything else we have its not funny.thing is hes reliant on others getting the ball down there.
nope i think we could name 3 or 4 players as being our most important. but for me ivan is the least replaceable who is having the most influence on our team.
depth is the real key to this footy club if we want to get anywhere. we have to add to the 16 or so good players we have and get it up to around 30 32 or so. we probably have another 6 or so on the list with kids like ellis, griffiths astbury, dea elton arnot helbig. all show potetential but arent really there yet one or two may fail.
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Maric is pretty important, I think Lids is electric, Cotch is the trooper on the ground getting in and under along with Tuck.
They all have a role to play BUT interesting noting Maric, we had Ottens who turned into arguably one of the better rucks in the competition,, was he that good at Richmond? I think Maric at Richmond is 3 times better than Ottens was at Richmond and it is to do with attitude. It looks as if the team is excited and bonding well, Is this Cotch, Lids, Dusty, Morris, Tuck? or is Ivan the catalyst holding it all together or is it Dimma? whatever, I am loving the whole year to date and hats off to the whole team. For my money if you had to single a player out who seems to have caused the most change in the team it is Ivan.
Ottens was fantastic in 2001. Rarely fit after that but you would struggle to find a better tap ruckman than Brad Ottens at his best.
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big ivan easily. cant win against good sides without him imo. dominates thr stoppages, in the centre as well and gets back to help out in defense. he doesnt just compete in the ruck when he hits the ground hes throwing his weight around creating space and making opposition think. hes also taking contested marks all over the ground. he is the aa ruckman atm thats how good hes been.
imo i think the greatest need we have is to find a bloody good young ruckman because atm i cant see any of browne derickx graham or vickery performing anywhere near this bloke.two very good ruckmen should be the aim.
also i think we would struggle big time if cotchin got hurt but hes just one of a group of 6 who are all travelling well atm. the quality does fall away after these 6 and lose two or three and we can kiss the season goodbye.
for sure we need another 4 mids in our system to go with arnot and helbig who both show promise. two of the four should be quality we should use our first rounder and the port pick on the best available. lets get ourselves to the situation if injury does happen we arent knocked from pillar to post. like so many sides are atm.
we have played some damn good footy but the real key to any future success will be our depth and how we cope with injuries.
we have used just 27 players this yr. the least of all clubs the average is 32 the most 38.
have a look at those 27 players, 9 or 10 are battlers and im sure over the next few yrs we will be looking to phase them out.
its what happens when have to find another 5 or 6 outside of that 27. as far as genuine mids go there is only arnot and helbig and helbig is injured. as far as ruckmen go theres only really graham sheesh its a big step up for him to give even half of what ivan has atm.
look at the defense we were forced to play griffiths when grimes got hurt a 10 game player into a key post what happens if rance goes down?
what happens if jack gets hurt hes had a poor season but hes so far in front of anything else we have its not funny.thing is hes reliant on others getting the ball down there.
nope i think we could name 3 or 4 players as being our most important. but for me ivan is the least replaceable who is having the most influence on our team.
depth is the real key to this footy club if we want to get anywhere. we have to add to the 16 or so good players we have and get it up to around 30 32 or so. we probably have another 6 or so on the list with kids like ellis, griffiths astbury, dea elton arnot helbig. all show potetential but arent really there yet one or two may fail.
so i take you no longer think we paid overs for an average, at best, stop gap ruckman?
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big ivan easily. cant win against good sides without him imo. dominates thr stoppages, in the centre as well and gets back to help out in defense. he doesnt just compete in the ruck when he hits the ground hes throwing his weight around creating space and making opposition think. hes also taking contested marks all over the ground. he is the aa ruckman atm thats how good hes been.
imo i think the greatest need we have is to find a bloody good young ruckman because atm i cant see any of browne derickx graham or vickery performing anywhere near this bloke.two very good ruckmen should be the aim.
also i think we would struggle big time if cotchin got hurt but hes just one of a group of 6 who are all travelling well atm. the quality does fall away after these 6 and lose two or three and we can kiss the season goodbye.
for sure we need another 4 mids in our system to go with arnot and helbig who both show promise. two of the four should be quality we should use our first rounder and the port pick on the best available. lets get ourselves to the situation if injury does happen we arent knocked from pillar to post. like so many sides are atm.
we have played some damn good footy but the real key to any future success will be our depth and how we cope with injuries.
we have used just 27 players this yr. the least of all clubs the average is 32 the most 38.
have a look at those 27 players, 9 or 10 are battlers and im sure over the next few yrs we will be looking to phase them out.
its what happens when have to find another 5 or 6 outside of that 27. as far as genuine mids go there is only arnot and helbig and helbig is injured. as far as ruckmen go theres only really graham sheesh its a big step up for him to give even half of what ivan has atm.
look at the defense we were forced to play griffiths when grimes got hurt a 10 game player into a key post what happens if rance goes down?
what happens if jack gets hurt hes had a poor season but hes so far in front of anything else we have its not funny.thing is hes reliant on others getting the ball down there.
nope i think we could name 3 or 4 players as being our most important. but for me ivan is the least replaceable who is having the most influence on our team.
depth is the real key to this footy club if we want to get anywhere. we have to add to the 16 or so good players we have and get it up to around 30 32 or so. we probably have another 6 or so on the list with kids like ellis, griffiths astbury, dea elton arnot helbig. all show potetential but arent really there yet one or two may fail.
Great post :thumbsup
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big ivan easily. cant win against good sides without him imo. dominates thr stoppages, in the centre as well and gets back to help out in defense. he doesnt just compete in the ruck when he hits the ground hes throwing his weight around creating space and making opposition think. hes also taking contested marks all over the ground. he is the aa ruckman atm thats how good hes been.
imo i think the greatest need we have is to find a bloody good young ruckman because atm i cant see any of browne derickx graham or vickery performing anywhere near this bloke.two very good ruckmen should be the aim.
also i think we would struggle big time if cotchin got hurt but hes just one of a group of 6 who are all travelling well atm. the quality does fall away after these 6 and lose two or three and we can kiss the season goodbye.
for sure we need another 4 mids in our system to go with arnot and helbig who both show promise. two of the four should be quality we should use our first rounder and the port pick on the best available. lets get ourselves to the situation if injury does happen we arent knocked from pillar to post. like so many sides are atm.
we have played some damn good footy but the real key to any future success will be our depth and how we cope with injuries.
we have used just 27 players this yr. the least of all clubs the average is 32 the most 38.
have a look at those 27 players, 9 or 10 are battlers and im sure over the next few yrs we will be looking to phase them out.
its what happens when have to find another 5 or 6 outside of that 27. as far as genuine mids go there is only arnot and helbig and helbig is injured. as far as ruckmen go theres only really graham sheesh its a big step up for him to give even half of what ivan has atm.
look at the defense we were forced to play griffiths when grimes got hurt a 10 game player into a key post what happens if rance goes down?
what happens if jack gets hurt hes had a poor season but hes so far in front of anything else we have its not funny.thing is hes reliant on others getting the ball down there.
nope i think we could name 3 or 4 players as being our most important. but for me ivan is the least replaceable who is having the most influence on our team.
depth is the real key to this footy club if we want to get anywhere. we have to add to the 16 or so good players we have and get it up to around 30 32 or so. we probably have another 6 or so on the list with kids like ellis, griffiths astbury, dea elton arnot helbig. all show potetential but arent really there yet one or two may fail.
so i take you no longer think we paid overs for an average, at best, stop gap ruckman?
I think sometimes reserving judgement on certain individuals is the better way to go. Personally I took the disappointment of Crows fans towards their club for letting Maric go so easily as a sign that we may have a good player that just needs a chance to shine. His enthusiasm, work rate and courage were never doubted IMO.
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It always worries me when we have so much invested in a few - Maric, Jack, Rance, Cotch....... :pray The gap between some of our important players are their replacement is the surest sign for me of who is the most crucial to our current success and big Ivan followed by Jack are probably the most irreplaceable at the moment. Rance not far behind (amazing to say in such a short period).
Perhaps should be our greatest concern and focus at the club - depth in the ruck and FF role.
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How many clubs have gun full forwards and ruckman content with playing reserves until someone gets injured?
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we need to add more glue to harden griffith's paper mache shoulders so he can also pinch hit in the ruck in the future.
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Griff is too important to risk ruk :nope
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Griff is too important to risk ruk :nope
If Jack went down I think we may use Griff forward at a pinch. Vickery will come good - showed good signs last game :pray Gus better start accelerating his education from big Ivan ;)
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Griff is too important to risk ruk :nope
i think he had a few runs in the ruck for coburg.
if his shoulders were sound i wouldnt have a problem with it. lets hope it's not required in the near future though
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Talking about Griffith being ruck or forward.
Think it's a lot harder on the body to play CHF than Ruck.
At least in the ruck there's only usually one guy attacking you, usually side by side.
At CHF you can cop any extra player (including resting ruckmen) coming from anywhere third up as well as your direct opponent hitting you with everything he's got usually when your arms are up and you're defenseless.
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beasts are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beats are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
How would you know Coach?
Word is that you are 5' 2" in the old scale (the 110 kg fits though)
:lol
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because I told him.....
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beats are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
How would you know Coach?
Word is that you are 5' 2" in the old scale (the 110 kg fits though)
:lol
You're thinking of x. I am 188cm. Had to pinch hit a few times and it was no fun.
Your football experience old fella?
:lol
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beats are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
How would you know Coach?
Word is that you are 5' 2" in the old scale (the 110 kg fits though)
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You're thinking of x. I am 188cm. Had to pinch hit a few times and it was no fun.
Your football experience old fella?
:lol
lmao x is taller than 5'2 but even if he was 4'5" he still walks tall lol
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:thumbsup
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:cheers
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beats are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
How would you know Coach?
Word is that you are 5' 2" in the old scale (the 110 kg fits though)
:lol
You're thinking of x. I am 188cm. Had to pinch hit a few times and it was no fun.
Your football experience old fella?
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Played footy at school did my knee and that was it for me.
But experience on the field means squat when you are voicing your opinions.
:cheers
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So Coach what level did you play at?
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afl :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
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Disagree. Ruck is the hardest spot to play. You have to have SOME courage to play as ruckman when 200cm, 110kg beats are coming at you with the intention of smashing you to bits with their knees.
How would you know Coach?
Word is that you are 5' 2" in the old scale (the 110 kg fits though)
:lol
You're thinking of x. I am 188cm. Had to pinch hit a few times and it was no fun.
Your football experience old fella?
:lol
Played footy at school did my knee and that was it for me.
But experience on the field means squat when you are voicing your opinions.
:cheers
Should get a reco and have another crack. Even though you're 60 I still think you'd be a good on field leader like Brad Miller.
And TFL & SFL is where I played my football. No AFL ;D
:cheers
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afl :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh :shh
TFL and SFL.
hmmmm.
Not good enough for AFL eh? :lol
Certainly your opinion is no better than mine.
As for me I would have been suspended more often than I played.
:cheers
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not for swearing at the ump, Id bet ;D
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SFL is where I played my football.
what club?
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I don't recall saying my opinion was better than yours, 65'. Just disagreed with Redan about which possie is the hardest on your body. And no, I wasn't good enough to play in the AFL...not by a long shot. I'm probably not the only bloke that wasn't ;D
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SFL is where I played my football.
what club?
The Robins :lol Not really. Why should I tell you? When are we going for a hit again?
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The Robins :lol Not really. Why should I tell you? When are we going for a hit again?
No reason you should, just curious
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Are you from down this way? Gee we are due for a snip here. :lol
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Are you from down this way? Gee we are due for a snip here. :lol
Yep
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Coach selling himself short again
If it wasn't for those bung hammys....
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Okay back to the topic ppl.
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Coach selling himself short again
If it wasn't for those bung hammys....
His hammy's were fine, it was the rest of his body that was the problem. However, I heard that there was controversy with the ending of Coach's career and it had something to do with his involvement in the Luke McGuane Goal post incident. I heard he got a 2 year ban because someone heard him say "Bugger! It missed!!" straight after it happened. ;D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2rrx5on.jpg)
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Hahaha
you know the truth
and there is where the McGuane hatred began
ended a good career that day
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big ivan easily. cant win against good sides without him imo. dominates thr stoppages, in the centre as well and gets back to help out in defense. he doesnt just compete in the ruck when he hits the ground hes throwing his weight around creating space and making opposition think. hes also taking contested marks all over the ground. he is the aa ruckman atm thats how good hes been.
imo i think the greatest need we have is to find a bloody good young ruckman because atm i cant see any of browne derickx graham or vickery performing anywhere near this bloke.two very good ruckmen should be the aim.
also i think we would struggle big time if cotchin got hurt but hes just one of a group of 6 who are all travelling well atm. the quality does fall away after these 6 and lose two or three and we can kiss the season goodbye.
for sure we need another 4 mids in our system to go with arnot and helbig who both show promise. two of the four should be quality we should use our first rounder and the port pick on the best available. lets get ourselves to the situation if injury does happen we arent knocked from pillar to post. like so many sides are atm.
we have played some damn good footy but the real key to any future success will be our depth and how we cope with injuries.
we have used just 27 players this yr. the least of all clubs the average is 32 the most 38.
have a look at those 27 players, 9 or 10 are battlers and im sure over the next few yrs we will be looking to phase them out.
its what happens when have to find another 5 or 6 outside of that 27. as far as genuine mids go there is only arnot and helbig and helbig is injured. as far as ruckmen go theres only really graham sheesh its a big step up for him to give even half of what ivan has atm.
look at the defense we were forced to play griffiths when grimes got hurt a 10 game player into a key post what happens if rance goes down?
what happens if jack gets hurt hes had a poor season but hes so far in front of anything else we have its not funny.thing is hes reliant on others getting the ball down there.
nope i think we could name 3 or 4 players as being our most important. but for me ivan is the least replaceable who is having the most influence on our team.
depth is the real key to this footy club if we want to get anywhere. we have to add to the 16 or so good players we have and get it up to around 30 32 or so. we probably have another 6 or so on the list with kids like ellis, griffiths astbury, dea elton arnot helbig. all show potetential but arent really there yet one or two may fail.
so i take you no longer think we paid overs for an average, at best, stop gap ruckman?
hindsights a wonderful thing but if we are talking the process without hindsight then no i would be against useing pick 35 a second rounder on an inconsistent 26 yr old who stryggled to get a game.
i would hate for us to go thru that process time and time again because i reckon we would get most wrong. if we cant value 2nd round picks imo in the long term we will go nowhere.
finally it would be real churlish of me to not acknowledge just how good ivan has been id say hes far exceeded even hartleys expectations, or acknowledge that blair hartley nailed this trade. kudos to them both.
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Coach selling himself short again
If it wasn't for those bung hammys....
His hammy's were fine, it was the rest of his body that was the problem. However, I heard that there was controversy with the ending of Coach's career and it had something to do with his involvement in the Luke McGuane Goal post incident. I heard he got a 2 year ban because someone heard him say "Bugger! It missed!!" straight after it happened. ;D
(http://i46.tinypic.com/2rrx5on.jpg)
Was well past my best at the stage anyway.
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Starting to think it may well end up being Ben Griffiths.
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Fair call