One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on April 19, 2012, 03:35:39 AM
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Good to see the media finally bag another club (Melbourne) over its recruiting and draft choices (in 2008) rather than regurgitate the same old out-dated garbage about ours from long long ago.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/the-demons-most-pivotal-draft-day/story-fncqi979-1226332168836
Mind you our 2008 drafting wasn't that flash either: :-\
ND
8. Tyrone Vickery
26. Jayden Post
42. Traded for Port's Adam Thomson
58. Tom Hislop (delisted by Essendon)
PSD
6. Ben Cousins
RD
8. Robin Nahas
24. David Gourdis (re-drafted by us)
39. Andrew Browne
53. Alroy Gilligan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_AFL_Draft
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Pretty average draft all round
Could of had Zac Clarke (37) or Hanneberry (30) instead of Post, Rory Sloane (44) instead of Thomson, and Tom Rockcliff (PSD 5) instead of Hislop :wallywink
Bruest (RD 47), Broughton (RD 74) & Suckling (RD 81) all available Rookie Draft at all our picks after Gourdis :wallywink
Can we get Matt Rendell yet? ::)
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Bruest (RD 47), Broughton (RD 74) & Suckling (RD 81) all available Rookie Draft at all our picks after Gourdis :wallywink
Would have increased our chances of landing one of those players if we hadn't taken Ben Cousins which was a ridiculous decision at the time.
We picked up Grimes in the PSD a year later and look how he's turned out.
Take Nahas in the PSD instead of Cuz and you might land a Bruest or Suckling in the rookie draft.
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Bruest (RD 47), Broughton (RD 74) & Suckling (RD 81) all available Rookie Draft at all our picks after Gourdis :wallywink
Would have increased our chances of landing one of those players if we hadn't taken Ben Cousins which was a ridiculous decision at the time.
We picked up Grimes in the PSD a year later and look how he's turned out.
No you are wrong.
Cousins had ZERO effect on landing any of those players. He was the last pick in the PSD and we then picked Nahas, Gourdis, Browne, & PASS in the Rookie Draft.
Re-drafting Gourdis, picking up the Dinosaur Pear, and skipping our last pick were the ridiculous decisions at the time.
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Bruest (RD 47), Broughton (RD 74) & Suckling (RD 81) all available Rookie Draft at all our picks after Gourdis :wallywink
Would have increased our chances of landing one of those players if we hadn't taken Ben Cousins which was a ridiculous decision at the time.
We picked up Grimes in the PSD a year later and look how he's turned out.
No you are wrong.
Cousins had ZERO effect on landing any of those players. He was the last pick in the PSD and we then picked Nahas, Gourdis, Browne, & PASS in the Rookie Draft.
Re-drafting Gourdis, picking up the Dinosaur Pear, and skipping our last pick were the ridiculous decisions at the time.
Disagree. Passing on the last pick was the next dumb decision.
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Magic, all of those players were available at after our second Rookie pick. Cousins had no impact on us not picking them.
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all well and good in hindsight.
were any those names mentioned at the time?
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Mentioned by who?
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any one? but in particular those saying/hinting we could/should have drafted them rather than those we did.
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all well and good in hindsight.
were any those names mentioned at the time?
And the relevance is what?
Recruiters are full time employees of the club whose job is to get the best players to the club.
The only way to judge their ability is to compare players after some years in the AFL system ie in hindsight.
Our Recruitment Manager himself, Francis Jackson, stated in an interview with Richo that recruiting should be judged NOT at the time of drafting but after some years.
I would suggest that is a fair way to judge.
You seem to think that the only criticism allowed should be from someone who picked the players at the time AND has proven to be correct years later.
So do you disagree with Jackson that recruiting should be judged after a number of years?
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rookie draft is a lottery.
players taken at at 47, 74 and 81 in the rookie draft have been passed over by every club, what about 6-8 times each? even the clubs that selected them preferred others.
what is the overall success rate of the rookie draft and how do we stack up to that in the last couple of years?
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rookie draft is a lottery.
players taken at at 47, 74 and 81 in the rookie draft have been passed over by every club, what about 6-8 times each? even the clubs that selected them preferred others.
what is the overall success rate of the rookie draft and how do we stack up to that in the last couple of years?
This is a fair point but you'd have to concede that Freo and the Hawks seem to manage the later draft picks and rookies better than most.
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rookie draft is a lottery.
players taken at at 47, 74 and 81 in the rookie draft have been passed over by every club, what about 6-8 times each? even the clubs that selected them preferred others.
what is the overall success rate of the rookie draft and how do we stack up to that in the last couple of years?
Well fair enough then. Since it's a "lottery" we should just rely on luck and forget any process of evaluation.
Comparisons of Rookie picks over the last years will be misleading since they are "project" players who need more development time than National Draft picks.
I can't be bothered doing a comparison of every club's rookie picks over the last couple of years but these are some I've looked at before.
2007 PSD1 Gourdis R8 Collard R17 Sylvester R33 Cartledge R47 Howat
PSD3 Martin R2 Joseph R19 Wonaeamirri R34 Ellard R57 Mumford
PSD7 McGinnity R25 Petrenko R35 Spencer
PSD8 Bellchambers R30 Garlett R38 Hanley
R32 Laidler R40 Curnow
2008 58 Hislop
PSD6 Rockliff
PSD7 Cousins
R8 Nahas R24 Gourdis R39 Browne R53 Gilligan
R19 DeBoer R25 L Delaney R40 Speight R74 Broughton
R27 Blair R47 Breust R81 Suckling
R29 Simpkins
R30 Picken
2009 PSD2 Grimes R7 Hicks R23 Contin R38 Roberts R51 Westhoff R62 Polak
PSD7 Hardingham R8 Barlow R24 Silvagni R43 Crameri R56 White
R9 Daw R27 Strijk R46 Jaensch
R12 Hitchcock R30 Howlett
R17 Thompson
and that's the last time I'll try and do a transfer of an Excel spreadsheet to here, so that's a win for you, Al.
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The worst part of the 2008 draft for us was that Craig Cameron (first year at Punt Rd) and co. only went with three live picks and used just two of them on kids (Vickery and Post). We were still trying to have a bet each way as far as rebuilding and topping up in a invain attempt to play finals and in the end did neither. The Thomson trade was a shocker before it was even done. Even ignoring the fact he wasn't AFL standard, Port were going to delist him anyway. Hislop just added to the pain. Thankfully it would be the last National draft of us not valuing mid-range draft picks highly and not playing the numbers game.
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Port were not going to delist him. Where do you come up with this poo?
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CC is rated highly internally :bow
Eff me
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CC has written some KPI's for his position and then evaluated how well he has achieved them.
The result of this review has led to him offering himself a new 5 year contract on double the money.
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Has cheeseburger
Extend contract