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Coaches join chorus for short season
Eliza Sewell
From: Herald Sun
July 06, 2012
DAMIEN Hardwick wants the season cut to 17 games, and the Richmond coach is not alone.
Hardwick said "without doubt" the season was too long and 10 of his counterparts agreed.
A survey conducted by AFL Media and the AFL Coaches' Association found 11 of the 18 coaches thought the season was too long.
Six, including Hardwick, want a 17-game season, where teams play each other once.
Just six coaches want the current 22-game home-and-away season, which the AFL is contracted to for the next four years.
"It should be 17 games for mine," Hardwick said.
"I just think the attrition rate of players, it's becoming more physically demanding.
"That way we play 17 games, it's a fairer draw and we move on from there."
Four coaches want an 18-round season with the double-up game being a blockbuster.
One coach called for a longer season of 25 rounds. and another wanted 20.
"The draw is a raffle - and we know it will not change because of the media rights," AFL Coaches' Association chief executive Danny Frawley said yesterday.
"But the coaches are saying they want an even draw and an even competition."
Also significant in the annual survey is:
NO support for a return to State of Origin games.
SPLIT support on a 9-9 vote for a mid-season draft to be re-established. The in-season market was packed away in 1993.
SUPPORT on an 11-7 vote for the video review of uncertain scoring decisions by goal umpires.
NO concern for the lengths of quarters. The coaches say the ideal length for a term is 28 minutes.
HAWTHORN forward Lance Franklin is the player seven coaches would trade for today.
Brownlow medallist Gary Ablett is the player of choice among three of the coaches.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/coaches-join-chorus-for-short-season/story-e6frf9jf-1226418287867
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Too short. We need to get a tassie team and northern territory team. Aim for 20 teams more. Ideally a 23 team comp with 22 rounds
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Must happen. Current system is not fair
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Agree bents, but it wont happen as long as that sawn off little dictator is in charge. I heard an interview with him last year and said a number of times they were unapologetic about the draw being uneven
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no way they will drop their TV rights revenue for a shorter and fairer draw
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no way they will drop their TV rights revenue for a shorter and fairer draw
Exactly TV rights went into billions a shorter season and the cake will get dramatically smaller next time. Furthermore NRL season runs for much longer than 22-23 rounds that we have and if AFL shorten the season you'll find the AFL will lose TV rights and sponsors to the NRL and the AFL is priding itself in growing the sport in Western Sydney and South East Queensland. It will only make their job just that little bit more difficult.
Won't happen too many teams and lots of footy nuts who'll go crazy. :lol :rollin :lol
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they just need to extend the pre season comp by a few weeks and someohow raise it's status. perhaps some sort of bonus for winning both cups.
perhaps they could look at a way of extending the finals series by a week as well. finals are the big money spinners.
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The season is already too short for me as it is. It passes so quick.
I say extend it to 42 games.
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Need a fair draw.
Extend the finals series if they need more games.
Name any local league let alone professional sport where you play some teams twice and others once.
Should play everyone once, and have a NBA style finals series where you play best of 3 games to get the $ required for TV rights. Would rather was 3 final games of Hawks vs Essendon killing each other than a North Melbourne vs GWS anyway.
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they just need to extend the pre season comp by a few weeks and someohow raise it's status.
They need to get rid of it.
That's how they can shorten the season. Couple of practice matches and into the season proper.
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that doesnt solve the problem of an uneven draw though damo.
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Or they could do what was suggested a few years back and have a conference where you play each team in your conference twice and once from the other conference. I'll try dig up an article from a while back that spoke of some alternatives. I thought they were reasonable ideas.
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AFL relegation plan
(http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/08/2415011/art-svPLAN-420x0.jpg)
FORMER Richmond vice-president Brendan Schwab believes there will be an increase in ''inconsequential'' matches in an expanded 18-team competition from next season and has devised an alternative two-division system that involves relegation.
Schwab, the brother of Melbourne chief executive Cameron Schwab, and the president of the Australian Professional Footballers Association, presented his plan to The Age after reading comments made by Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse flagging a reduction in the number of teams playing in the finals and the possibility of relegation.
The AFL last week said the final-eight system would remain in place at least until the end of the 2013 season.
Schwab said the AFL should use where teams finished that season to split the league into two divisions for season 2014, with the top nine in division one and teams 10 to 18 in division two.
The home-and-away season would comprise 25 matches, with each team playing those in its division twice and those in the other division once. Division one would return to the McIntyre final-five system, with the side finishing on top having a bye in the opening round of the finals.
Teams that finished sixth and seventh in division one would join teams finishing 12th, 13th and 14th - the latter three in division two - in playing off to avoid relegation.
Teams finishing eighth and ninth in division one would be relegated. In division two, the top two ranked teams would automatically be promoted.
Schwab, who sat on the Tigers' board from 1998 to 2004 and is one of the country's top sports administrators, said there was strong merit in a relegation system.
''I have been a great fan of the AFL's for many years and the AFL's right to expand but the real risk, and I know this from being a passionate Richmond supporter, is that expanding now results in an 18-team competition that can take away some of the genuine hope that is so important for fans and may result in there being too many inconsequential games,'' he said.
''If it is possible to schedule a 25-round home-and-away season in lieu of the NAB Cup, then here we have an opportunity that will achieve sporting balance to create a situation where nearly every game would be of monumental importance to the teams.
''It would also introduce something which I have seen firsthand in soccer, which is such a compelling part of the season, and that is the threat that if you don't perform to the necessary level, then you could find yourself relegated and out of contention for at least another season.''
One criticism of having two divisions is that there could be a reduction in traditional and lucrative blockbusters if, for instance, Carlton and Collingwood were not grouped together.
However, Schwab, who has worked on this proposal for a year and plans to seek AFL stuff, felt that wouldn't be too great an issue.
''Based on last year's results, Essendon, Carlton and Richmond would all be in division two this year so they would be playing each other twice and Collingwood once,'' Schwab said.
''Big rivals will play almost as much but for bigger stakes. But what I think will happen is, if there is a loss of artificially scheduling them to play each other twice a year, that will be replaced by a genuine contest. Some of the games between lesser-traditional rivalries will take on a much greater significance.''
Schwab said his plan would not alter the salary cap or national draft or the way clubs now build their playing list.
''You still have to take a long-term approach to building premierships. But it tempers that with the fact you can be either rewarded greatly or penalised greatly through success or failure in any given season,'' he said.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-relegation-plan-20110607-1fr2x.html (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-relegation-plan-20110607-1fr2x.html)
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No way dimmer 17 game season
I couldn't bare an extra 5 weeks of waiting
The afl won't do it they will lose millions on tv rights plus ticketing
Clubs memberships will also be affected
This is my system
The only way to square up the draw is as follows
Each team plays each other once : 17 games
The draw is then divided into 3 groups of six
Top six
Seventh to twelfth
Thirteenth to last
These teams play each other once which is 22 games
Now if you finish in the top six you can't drop out of it but position can change
7 th to 12 th can only make the eight
13 to 18 fight for the draft picks
To stop tanking
13 th get no 1
18 th get no2
14 gets 3
17 gets 4
16 gets6
15 gets 5
This system stops dead rubbers and stops people losing interest and creates five rds of block busters
Rfc
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I say no one plays any games and that way everyone can be happy because their team can never lose ;D
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No way dimmer 17 game season
I couldn't bare an extra 5 weeks of waiting
The afl won't do it they will lose millions on tv rights plus ticketing
Clubs memberships will also be affected
This is my system
The only way to square up the draw is as follows
Each team plays each other once : 17 games
The draw is then divided into 3 groups of six
Top six
Seventh to twelfth
Thirteenth to last
These teams play each other once which is 22 games
Now if you finish in the top six you can't drop out of it but position can change
7 th to 12 th can only make the eight
13 to 18 fight for the draft picks
To stop tanking
13 th get no 1
18 th get no2
14 gets 3
17 gets 4
16 gets6
15 gets 5
This system stops dead rubbers and stops people losing interest and creates five rds of block busters
Rfc
You cannot fixture for 6 weeks when positions have not been determined.
Affects home and away games for clubs, sponsors, travel arrangements club and fans ground usage, club memberships. The number of hot dogs and pies the staff from spotless have to cater for. Beer deliveries light beer at night full strength during the day. Too difficult.
Six weeks of blockbusters and whose to say if the season is close as it is now with Freo in 13th one win outside the 8 can they still make the 8 or b/c they are 13th they play the last third of teams and the best they can do is 13th. Does not will not work. Does not cater for a number of scenarios.
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Can you think of a english top flight club having to play manutd twice and norwich one?
Ie. Collingwood or geelong oncd and gws twice?
It would be laughed at.
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Can you think of a english top flight club having to play manutd twice and norwich one?
Ie. Collingwood or geelong oncd and gws twice?
It would be laughed at.
Do not compare to EPL or European football. Although they play each other twice and some clubs have Euro fixtures and Cup fixtures and some players also have National Team Duties the season has always lasted for 9 months and in every 2 years for some 10 months given they are on Euro or World Cup Duties and the season begins in 6 weeks in England.
Players are conditioned to play for that long but the physical demands on the players whilst great they have huge squads transfer windows to buy players at 2 stages during the year have no salary caps as we do and can loan players from other clubs with the only restriction being that a player loaned out cannot play against the parent club.
In AFL we don't have such rules and mechanisms in place as Euro football does and therefore taking all the aforementioned points into account you cannot sit there and compare apples to oranges.
In theory playing every team home and away and having a 34 week Home and Away season and then four weeks of finals would be fair but in the current climate you cannot do that and whilst Coll travelling interstate less than others and having 16 games at the G is not fair given they use their b/s membership figures as an excuse for that to happen we will have to deal with the current system. Plus the demands and physicality of AFL are far far greater than an EPL game.
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Must happen. Current system is not fair
It's not fair for teams trying to make the 8 but realistically it doesn't affect who wins the flag.
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yep the draw really only effects the mid table teams
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I've always thought that if you're good enough to play finals, you will play finals. No excuses. If you miss the 8 then you were never a chance for the flag anyway.
Cop at fat one Dimma and keep your theories to yourself.
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My system is much fairer than the current Collingwood fixture
You have to do something about this embarrassing setup and the only way to do it is to revise the last five rounds otherwise north gets to play the minnows twice as seen and probably sneak in the 8 and be involved in a non watch game
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The fool who was comparing the epl to the afl needs a brain transplant since the epl have a fair draw not a fixed fixture certain clubs
The Trojan horse is killing our game with all these hack teams
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The fool who was comparing the epl to the afl needs a brain transplant since the epl have a fair draw not a fixed fixture certain clubs
The Trojan horse is killing our game with all these hack teams
8 posts on a footy ground is enough
Sorry Jayden get tough and fly out of Terry's
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The fool who was comparing the epl to the afl needs a brain transplant since the epl have a fair draw not a fixed fixture certain clubs
The Trojan horse is killing our game with all these hack teams
8 posts on a footy ground is enough
Sorry Jayden get tough and fly out of Terry's
EFA
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Brendan and Cameron both need to be swabbed
That proposal will kill the game for good you can't set a fixture preseason
The last five rounds need to be set at end of round 17
Remember it's a fixture not a draw for a fixture to be fair it needs to be looked at the time of implementation ie rd17 end of
Come on Dimmer get our boys fit enough to play 26 games :gotigers premiers asap
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no way they will drop their TV rights revenue for a shorter and fairer draw
Exactly TV rights went into billions a shorter season and the cake will get dramatically smaller next time. Furthermore NRL season runs for much longer than 22-23 rounds that we have and if AFL shorten the season you'll find the AFL will lose TV rights and sponsors to the NRL and the AFL is priding itself in growing the sport in Western Sydney and South East Queensland. It will only make their job just that little bit more difficult.
Won't happen too many teams and lots of footy nuts who'll go crazy. :lol :rollin :lol
Spot on TM and Tucky. A 17 week H/A season wouldn't be that unusual for oldtimers as up until the late 60s the VFL had just 18 rounds before moving to the 22. However no way will the AFL commissioners, coaches and players take a 25% pay cut as that's what reducing the season to 17 H/A rounds would mean.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
no way they will drop their TV rights revenue for a shorter and fairer draw
Exactly TV rights went into billions a shorter season and the cake will get dramatically smaller next time. Furthermore NRL season runs for much longer than 22-23 rounds that we have and if AFL shorten the season you'll find the AFL will lose TV rights and sponsors to the NRL and the AFL is priding itself in growing the sport in Western Sydney and South East Queensland. It will only make their job just that little bit more difficult.
Won't happen too many teams and lots of footy nuts who'll go crazy. :lol :rollin :lol
Spot on TM and Tucky. A 17 week H/A season wouldn't be that unusual for oldtimers as up until the late 60s the VFL had just 18 rounds before moving to the 22. However no way will the AFL commissioners, coaches and players take a 25% pay cut as that's what reducing the season to 17 H/A rounds would mean.
Hey hey hey, watch out who you're calling old timer! >:(
;D
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$200 & $300 Richmond and mcc memberships respectively then, won't happen
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FFS.... Yep let's stuff it up even more, what's the go Damien, too hard to get into the 8 with 22 games???
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not likely :cheers
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If 17 is too short double it and fix preseason and finals. 17 or 34. If money is the only issue then by the same logic 34 would make everyone happy. Make the list 50/60 senior listed players. Easy.
The 2 tier promotion system is intersting. I agree both tassie and the nt should have teams. And andyd is swine.
If the draw effects the eight that is too much influence and must be fixed. The point is not hardwick is not good enough to make finals then we dont deserve to be there; bu hardwick should be given the equal chance as buckley or ratten. Ithinj many rfc members would pay $200 for this.
To say the EPL and AFL cannot be compared is nuts. White australia is england born. Both had football grow in the 1800s and and became professional1850s. Today, the latesys stats ive seen have the have the 2 leagues as the third and forth attended world wide. Behind the german first league and American football. In regards to players sometimes being called up to the national side. Which happens often end of season or in fifa slots when club sides dont play - what is your point?
Club that lose a internation while often have another in the squad anyway. If you mean the draft/salary cap vs the captalist big transfer/wage europe model... well look at the money spent by north vs collingwood of football department etc.
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Another option I put forward on some forums a few years back:
Have a full 2 round, 34 game season with no pre-season competition and no mid season break or bye. Then only allow every player to play a maximum of say 26-28 games for the season (not including finals) and leave it to the clubs to strategically decide which games to play and miss for every player. You would need to increase the size of the playing list by at least 10 players to cope with this but the large increase in league revenue driven by extended television rights and attendances would cover that. Brings the competition back to a level playing field, looks after the players welfare, increases the strategic role of the football department and coaches, gives the public more football, and allows the league to play more games in non-traditional country and interstate locations.
Just an idea.
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And clubs like Nought and the Dogs asking the AFL for handouts because they pay 70% of the salary cap and losing money on stadium deals especially Nought by playing in front of a swagman and his dog every second week.
Unfortunantely that is not feasable either. The current system whilst inequitable provides 22 weeks of Home and Away and 4 weeks of finals. The only possible solution is bring the season forward by four weeks start at the beginning of March and have a 26 game Home and Away season with four games of finals.
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34 rounds with no preseason crap.
Just intra club matches then straight into the season with home and away games and maybe 3 rest weeks.