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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Dubstep Dookie on July 29, 2012, 05:03:05 PM
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Worked out this arvo based on the current ladder positions and activated compensation picks, we would eligible for the following if we finish 12th:-
Picks 9, 26 (Port compo), 28, 47, 65, 83, 101.
Best case scenario based on our draw and the draw of other teams below us, if we go the tank we can finish 2 spots lower (14th) with port above us. Picks under this sceanrio will be:-
Picks 7, 25, 27 (Port compo), 45, 63, 81, 99.
Keep in mind the final order will be affected by any free agency compensation which is more likely to shuffle down our 2nd and/or later picks rather than our first.
Based on this, should we go the tank? Is there much to gain?
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I dont hink we need to pull any strings , we'll be lucky to win more than 2 more games....and someone needs to be sacked over this, sheesh, only a month or so ago we were giantkillers, red hot favs for finals...i cant believe the collapse
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Mr jangles....our depth is poo......
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l seriously dont care what they do down there anymore. Our local club will be playing finals & l be holding the bar up there cause noway am l spending another dollar going to Melbourne this year.
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The club has sold its FTF message 19th man message and all that crap. Rather than look and try and make the Essendon home game in Round 22 as the clubs GF after the great success in the way it marketed last nights game as the clubs final the club needs to the right thing long term by the fans the players it is looking to keep on the list next year and the club itself.
Anyone who has niggles in for an op.
Ivan have an op now and be ready for pre season in early November. No point waiting till early September and then add end of season break and start pre season in December.
Anyone who has niggles have a break and pull the pin.
Play the kids as many as we can.
With a full list we have shown some great signs our focus from now has to be ROund 1 next year against the Filth and preparing for that, getting those with injuries right and ensuring that our trade and draft weeks are successful and we find the right player for the list deficiency we have. A couple of boys in the draft who can step right in like Ellis or Morris would be more than handy.
The club's reputation in 2013 is at stake or whatever is left of it anyway according to some. Need to make every post a winner or the drop off and good will is going to fall away dramatically and the FTF will be nothing more than a calamatous charity.
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We must finish as high as we can to create a winning culture!
Must beat: dogs, please beat Freo, essenscum, port
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:lol
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Dubstep knew his poo
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I just voted for us to go the tank ;D
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tanking is for losers like Melbourne...and you
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west coast seem to be familiar with it
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tanking is for losers like Melbourne...and you
Easiest way to get the best junior players into your club is to go the tank. Melbourne could end up with the first 3 picks this season and if they do with Paul Roos in charge they will go right past us.
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C'mon. The boys will rally and string some wins together and finish 9th or tenth again.
The club will be saying we beat both grand final teams this season so we aren't that far away.
It will be the same rubbish we've heard over and over and over.
They'll be kidding themselves for another 3 years.
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tanking is for losers like Melbourne...and you
Easiest way to get the best junior players into your club is to go the tank. Melbourne could end up with the first 3 picks this season and if they do with Paul Roos in charge they will go right past us.
no but hero dice is a winner, paul roos style, its about culture
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Easiest way to get the best junior players into your club is to go the tank. Melbourne could end up with the first 3 picks this season and if they do with Paul Roos in charge they will go right past us.
Easiest way to bring an irrepairable losers culture to your club and no kids will want to play for us.
Anyhow , Melbourne will stuff their picks up like they always do. Josh Kelly says hi
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josh kelly is a gun but we are sliding back to the bad old days at a rate of knots, we are only 2 games against hawthorn and geelong from rock freaken bottom
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josh kelly is a gun but we are sliding back to the bad old days at a rate of knots, we are only 2 games against hawthorn and geelong from rock freaken bottom
Let's worry about beating Brisbane next week and then go from there. We've got our bunnys the following week :cheers
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Yeah we should tank ...Hardwick should start playing players out of positon....oh wait....
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we have 9 first round draft picks apparently..so getting more into the club by tanking aint the answer.
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Yeah we should tank ...Hardwick should start playing players out of positon....oh wait....
:clapping ;D
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:lol
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we have 9 first round draft picks apparently..so getting more into the club by tanking aint the answer.
Deledio pass
Cotchin pass
Riewoldt pass
Martin pass
Vlastuin pass
Conca pass
Lennon pass
Ellis and? Looks like the answer to be Einstein
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we have 9 first round draft picks apparently..so getting more into the club by tanking aint the answer.
Deledio pass
Cotchin pass
Riewoldt pass
Martin pass
Vlastuin pass
Conca pass
Lennon pass
Ellis and? Looks like the answer to be Einstein
Vickery. (who could still be saved with a bit of latteral thinking from a decent coach and higher standards from the club. )
Ellis has played 3 poo games from 4 this year but still has played more high-quality games in two years than Conca has in three. He's also the best mark in the side outside the KPP's and Deledio.
...and how is Lennon a pass when he hasn't even played a game yet?
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Yeah we should tank ...Hardwick should start playing players out of positon....oh wait....
:clapping ;D
:lol :rollin :lol
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Ellis has played 3 poo games from 4 this year but still has played more high-quality games in two years than Conca has in three.
Conca played ok tonite. Far from our worst player
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Trade Vickery to Melbourne who need a forward after Mitch Clarke bit the dust.
The will most likely finish bottom and get a priority pick. We'll finish bottom four and have a top 5 pick. Trade that top 10 pick and give them Vickery and their priority pick which would most likely be pick 2-3. Need top end talent. Get rid of the B and C graders.
Trade Deledio to GWS and give him a premiership for their first pick (Top 4) and a gun kid who wants to come home to Vic, maybe someone like a Devon Smith.
Trade Jack Riewoldt to GC and get their first 2 picks. Play Griffiths, McBean and Elton up forward who are the next generation as we have stuffed up the current one with trading to many rejects and failures from rubbish clubs. I feel sorry for our fans and top end talent who have been screwed over for success because of a stupid drafting philosophy of junk.
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gotta stay competetive no matter what happens.
to me every week we have to pick sides with maturity experience good size and height and a bar should be set.
while doing this we have to acknowledge the need to continue to get games into likely kids and have a darn good look at some of the fringe players like arnot, helbig , miles, ohanlon dea etc.
we have to stop playing too many of the blokes who constantly fail under pressure.
play miles instead newman. play anyone instead of grigg. drop edwards keep lloyd bring knights in and see if he cant string some games together and if his body holds up.
drop vickery bring in elton drop hmpson if need be when maric is fit and play griffiths as the second ruck. pee chaplin off when rance is fit shame there is no other option right now.
as side that may not win but remain competetive and we get to find out about players would go
b/ morris - rance - dea/mcintosh
hb/ helbig - astbury - grimes
c/ ellis - martin - deledio
hf/ gordon - elton -knights
f/ griffiths - riwoldt - lloyd
r/ maric - cotchin - miles
int/ lennon - arnot - vlastuin - conca . one of if not both of jackson and thoimas would have to get games to provide grunt.
make sure when injuries hit the likes of mcdonough mcbean get some games and experience.ffs even ifyy blokes like banfield darrou lets at least have a look at what they have to offer.
what do we really lose if blokes like newman grigg houli edwards chaplin vickery petterd foley king and several others dont get games. thse blokes should be leaders and they should be capable of taking us to the next level. time and time again they have shown they are not capable of doing it. its time to complete the rebuild instead of only half finishing it. time to build and develop and if that means a step or two backwards so be it.
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gotta stay competetive no matter what happens.
to me every week we have to pick sides with maturity experience good size and height and a bar should be set.
while doing this we have to acknowledge the need to continue to get games into likely kids and have a darn good look at some of the fringe players like arnot, helbig , miles, ohanlon dea etc.
we have to stop playing too many of the blokes who constantly fail under pressure.
play miles instead newman. play anyone instead of grigg. drop edwards keep lloyd bring knights in and see if he cant string some games together and if his body holds up.
drop vickery bring in elton drop hmpson if need be when maric is fit and play griffiths as the second ruck. pee chaplin off when rance is fit shame there is no other option right now.
as side that may not win but remain competetive and we get to find out about players would go
b/ morris - rance - dea/mcintosh
hb/ helbig - astbury - grimes
c/ ellis - martin - deledio
hf/ gordon - elton -knights
f/ griffiths - riwoldt - lloyd
r/ maric - cotchin - miles
int/ lennon - arnot - vlastuin - conca . one of if not both of jackson and thoimas would have to get games to provide grunt.
make sure when injuries hit the likes of mcdonough mcbean get some games and experience.ffs even ifyy blokes like banfield darrou lets at least have a look at what they have to offer.
what do we really lose if blokes like newman grigg houli edwards chaplin vickery petterd foley king and several others dont get games. thse blokes should be leaders and they should be capable of taking us to the next level. time and time again they have shown they are not capable of doing it. its time to complete the rebuild instead of only half finishing it. time to build and develop and if that means a step or two backwards so be it.
That's actually a very good post.
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gotta stay competetive no matter what happens.
to me every week we have to pick sides with maturity experience good size and height and a bar should be set.
while doing this we have to acknowledge the need to continue to get games into likely kids and have a darn good look at some of the fringe players like arnot, helbig , miles, ohanlon dea etc.
we have to stop playing too many of the blokes who constantly fail under pressure.
play miles instead newman. play anyone instead of grigg. drop edwards keep lloyd bring knights in and see if he cant string some games together and if his body holds up.
drop vickery bring in elton drop hmpson if need be when maric is fit and play griffiths as the second ruck. pee chaplin off when rance is fit shame there is no other option right now.
as side that may not win but remain competetive and we get to find out about players would go
b/ morris - rance - dea/mcintosh
hb/ helbig - astbury - grimes
c/ ellis - martin - deledio
hf/ gordon - elton -knights
f/ griffiths - riwoldt - lloyd
r/ maric - cotchin - miles
int/ lennon - arnot - vlastuin - conca . one of if not both of jackson and thoimas would have to get games to provide grunt.
make sure when injuries hit the likes of mcdonough mcbean get some games and experience.ffs even ifyy blokes like banfield darrou lets at least have a look at what they have to offer.
what do we really lose if blokes like newman grigg houli edwards chaplin vickery petterd foley king and several others dont get games. thse blokes should be leaders and they should be capable of taking us to the next level. time and time again they have shown they are not capable of doing it. its time to complete the rebuild instead of only half finishing it. time to build and develop and if that means a step or two backwards so be it.
That's actually a very good post.
Plus emergencies of
McBean
Mcdonuts
Bachelor
That why I think rebuild talk is over the top. I'm all for changing the manager but the lists isn't woeful
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My view that the rebuild has failed is because the club hasnt recognised what Claw has recognised and that is that "newman grigg houli edwards chaplin vickery petterd foley king and several others" are basically not capable of helping us to win a flag but they are getting games instead of kids getting games. I would have all of these blokes off the list completely among with several others If I could and put kids on the list in their places in the hope we can find 1 or 2 more A graders but unfortunately the club persists with blokes who cant help us get to the 11th Premiership.
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The club will be saying we beat both grand final teams this season so we aren't that far away.
At this rate Carlton will be playing themselves. :lol
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Yeah we should tank ...Hardwick should start playing players out of positon....oh wait....
It's a genius plan to get Durdin. The KPD we need. :lol
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
In fairness nearly every one of our talls were out in that game. We had 4 mids play well. They aren't all poo
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To me the one big mistake the club has made is of going to much for the recycled player.Its ok to bring in one or two per season but we appear to have gone way to far.
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
In fairness nearly every one of our talls were out in that game. We had 4 mids play well. They aren't all poo
Not all but a majority. All this shows to me is a lack of development and depth. If the Dogs are doing it in year 3 we are in year five and should have a ressie side chock full ogf blokes who have the capabilities of playing senior footy. All we have is a group of players that some of which the jury is clearly still out on 3-4-5 years in. Hell we have blokes playing senior footy 8 years in the system who offer less than a moulded twistie and an empty mars bar wrapper.
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Poo....how for away is cricket season
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
In fairness nearly every one of our talls were out in that game. We had 4 mids play well. They aren't all poo
Not all but a majority. All this shows to me is a lack of development and depth. If the Dogs are doing it in year 3 we are in year five and should have a ressie side chock full ogf blokes who have the capabilities of playing senior footy. All we have is a group of players that some of which the jury is clearly still out on 3-4-5 years in. Hell we have blokes playing senior footy 8 years in the system who offer less than a moulded twistie and an empty mars bar wrapper.
Yep we are poo. That's just our lot though. We will forever be poo and we will keep going back to taste the poo sandwich till we die. :cheers
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
In fairness nearly every one of our talls were out in that game. We had 4 mids play well. They aren't all poo
Not all but a majority. All this shows to me is a lack of development and depth. If the Dogs are doing it in year 3 we are in year five and should have a ressie side chock full ogf blokes who have the capabilities of playing senior footy. All we have is a group of players that some of which the jury is clearly still out on 3-4-5 years in. Hell we have blokes playing senior footy 8 years in the system who offer less than a moulded twistie and an empty mars bar wrapper.
Yep we are poo. That's just our lot though. We will forever be poo and we will keep going back to taste the poo sandwich till we die. :cheers
Jackson McCrae did more for me last week than what Vickery has done since he got drafted in 2008. Add kids like Stringer and co with a couple of disciplined more mature types like Griffen and Minson and you have a nucleus. Given his clearance rate you wouldn't think Tommy Libba would line up at half forward at centre bounces unless he plays for us and his name is Dusty or Cotch. FFS. :banghead
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You could present an argument that the kids and our depth aren't that good either if a side that is on the developmental path for 3 years is flogging our ressies by 117 point :help
No Clarke is doing a great job just ask WP
Trust me it's not about winning at tact under 15 level, it's about participation