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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on September 04, 2012, 01:44:52 AM
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Why Richmond should not make Trent Cotchin captain in 2013
Michael Warner
From: Herald Sun
September 03, 2012 10:00PM
RICHMOND should resist the urge to name Trent Cotchin as captain.
Chris Newman's surprise decision to stand down as skipper has opened the door for Cotchin, 22, to take over the job.
But for the sake of the club and one of the game's rising stars, the Tigers should think twice.
With captaincy comes the burden of responsibility -- the last thing Richmond should be saddling onto the back of their best young talent before he has grown.
Everyone you speak to at Tigerland will tell you Cotchin is up to the job, and no doubt he is.
It's the reason he was named as Richmond's vice-captain at the start of this season on the club's Arizona training camp at age 21.
On Sunday at the MCG against Port Adelaide it was Cotchin rallying the troops at three-quarter time.
But Newman, 30, one of the AFL's least heralded captains, has his handed in his badge much sooner than expected.
He leaves a leadership group field of Cotchin (86 games), Brett Deledio (172), Jack Riewoldt (112) and Dan Jackson (123) to choose from.
Slim pickings some might say, but Deledio looks ready to lead.
There was talk three years ago that Joel Selwood at just 21 should take over from Tom Harley at Geelong, until Cameron Ling was given the job.
Wisely, the Cats waited until this season to name Selwood as captain -- after 114 games and three premierships.
Of course, baby captaincy can be done.
The great Wayne Carey took the reigns at North Melbourne at just 21, as did Michael Voss at the Brisbane Lions.
Both went on to become premiership legends.
But the experience at Melbourne in 2012 should serve as a cautionary tale.
Jack Trengove was a shadow of himself this season after being named as the game's youngest captain (shared with Jack Grimes) in VFL/AFL history at 20.
In Cotchin, Richmond has been handed a once-in-a-generation gift.
Damien Hardwick should let him run free for at least one more year and give Deledio the badge.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/expert-opinion/why-richmond-should-not-make-trent-cotchin-captain/story-fncqi9j8-1226464145731
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Spot on
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it may be true in theory but deledio is only 25 himself and one of our best players also, it's very difficult to name him captain for 2013 and in a year's time say it's time to hand it over to cotch.
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What do people think of a co-captaincy?
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What do people think of a co-captaincy?
Always thought that may be the way the club goes.
Give Cotch the number 1 and Lids the number 7! :lol :lol :lol
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What do people think of a co-captaincy?
Not a fan personally. If your leadership group is strong and influential then there is no need and if they're not then you need to turn them over to find a group that are. Club captaincy is a role best done by an individual, and most successfully by an individual who leads by example (in all areas on and off field). Just my opinion.
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it may be true in theory but deledio is only 25 himself and one of our best players also, it's very difficult to name him captain for 2013 and in a year's time say it's time to hand it over to cotch.
yep. whover gets the captaincy should be getting it with the view it is theirs as long as they want/warrant it. Not as a stop gap measure.
If they see cotch as the long term option, then it has to be given to him now.
Unlike others, i would have liked to newman to hold onto it for another year before handing over to cotchin, but what is done, is done.
It will be interesting to see how cotch handles the pressure of being captain and reigning brownlow medalist.
Im also with smokey on the dual captaincy idea.
Captaincy is a job for one one man, and the whole leadership group should be helping to ease the load
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rubbish article
Cotch is a born leader. You would have to be blind not to see that
Dual captaincy. :banghead :banghead yay lets follow the dees. Rubbish suggestion
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Not a fan on co-captainancy
Not fussed if they give it to Lids or Cotch
But reckon they will go with Cotchin
Big difference between the Melb scenario with Trengove and Cotch. Cotch has been in the leadership group at Richmond for a few years now. Wasn't last year (2011) Trengove's first year? Also Cotch appears by his actions at least to want to lead. Trengove doesn't show that.
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"Dual captaincy. yay lets follow the dees. Rubbish suggestion" I was not suggesting co captaincy just asking what people thought of the idea.
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This article does not really present any compelling reasons for not giving the Captaincy to Cotchin.
Cothin is a more balanced and better player/person that those at other clubs that have failed (Trengrove etc) - and will be ranked amongst those who have succeeded in the role very soon (Carey / Voss).
Cotchin sets the standards for behaviour and play - and no one currently matches this at the club ( Morris & Tuck are close with regards to hardness)
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LMAO at comparing Trengove with Cotchin :wallywink :lol :shh
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I think Cotch could handle it, one from left-field though.... Ivan Maric.
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Lol comparing Cotchin to Trengove. :lol
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Completely agree with the article. I would love to see Lids get the gig for a couple of years before Cotch takes over a bit like what happened at Hawthorn with Mitchell and Hodge. The problems with this though is whether Lids' pride would take a battering with having to hand the captaincy over :-\ Cotch is ready for the role but it will have an effect on his game I have no doubt, at least initially as he comes to terms wit the added responsibilities and expectations.
I just hope he doesn't push himself too hard trying to lead by example and injuries himself but I guess he doesn't know any other way :bow
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Dees want to poach Cotchin.
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Cotchin is not your average 21year old...probably more mature than me and I had finished high school before he was born.
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Dees want to poach Cotchin.
Along with 16 other teams.
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I think Cotch could handle it, one from left-field though.... Ivan Maric.
Maric should be in the leadership group in place of Daniel Jackson. We know it will never happen though.
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I think Cotch could handle it, one from left-field though.... Ivan Maric.
Maric should be in the leadership group in place of Daniel Jackson. We know it will never happen though.
Spot on coach, good to see someone else thinks this.
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maric should eat daniel jackson's head in front of the playing group
"you act like potato, you get fried, ****face"
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"you act like potato, you get fried, ****face"
I hope the **** is replacing "scar" and not something else Mr Gerks
I think Cotch could handle it, one from left-field though.... Ivan Maric.
Maric should be in the leadership group in place of Daniel Jackson. We know it will never happen though.
Spot on Coach. I think Maric will be in the leadership group next season but sadly so will Jackson :banghead
And just on Cotchin and the captainancy his age is irrelevant IMO - Wayne Carey was younger and Pagan had no hesitation in giving him the job and Carey was an outstanding captain/leader prior to his off field antics
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Tuck - Captain :clapping
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What a crock.
He already is capt
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"you act like potato, you get fried, ****face"
I hope the **** is replacing "scar" and not something else Mr Gerks
choose your own adventure :shh
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Tuck should be in the leadership group
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What do people think of a co-captaincy?
Always thought that may be the way the club goes.
Give Cotch the number 1 and Lids the number 7! :lol :lol :lol
ive been saying this for weeks
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so what do Newman and Matty Dea wear next year
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Lids is very good vice captain and probably doesnt have the the patience and empathy at this stage to be captain - Cotch is a walk up start
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so what do Newman and Matty Dea wear next year
Newy can wear 69
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"you act like potato, you get fried, ****face"
I hope the **** is replacing "scar" and not something else Mr Gerks
choose your own adventure :shh
Agent Melanie to ride the giant serpent in the basement
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Cant see how it could be anyone but Cotch;
- he is a natural leader
- he doesnt go missing
- he stands up when it is required
No one else is even close to him in credentials
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Cotchin is an apex predator.
Let him Eat 'em alive.
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Lids is the games 9th best player - according to AFL coach s
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he gets it
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Lids is the games 9th best player - according to AFL coach s
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he gets it
Doesnt mean his a good leader
Good leader > good player
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Lids is the games 9th best player - according to AFL coach s
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he gets it
Doesnt mean his a good leader
Good leader > good player
What?
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Lids is the games 9th best player - according to AFL coach s
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he gets it
Doesnt mean his a good leader
Good leader > good player
What?
That little '>' means more than, better than, bigger than.
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Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup makes sence now how Maxwell gets he gig :lol
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Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup makes sence now how Maxwell gets he gig :lol
Thought that had been clear for a while
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Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup makes sence now how Maxwell gets he gig :lol
Thought that had been clear for a while
Only to non Tasmanians...
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Lids is the games 9th best player - according to AFL coach s
Wouldn't be the end of the world if he gets it
The port game is a good example of why he shouldnt get the captaincy gig
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Cotchin is the heir apparent. Should be given first crack. Needs to have good support around him. Deledio, Maric, Tuck should be in leadership group
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I'm sure most of you were hoping, as I was, that Newman would do it for one more year. Pity, but I can't help but think Newman probably thought this through before stepping down. He did say he wouldn't have if he wasn't confident somebody else could do better.
Initially I was worried for Cotchin, after seeing what Melb did to poor Trengove. I thought maybe Deledio should do it, but as mentioned Lids sometimes goes missing and despite being an A-class player he honestly doesn't have the instinctive toughness of guys like Cotch, Tuck and Morris. As for Lids' pride, well he's grown up a lot over the last 2-3 years.
After thinkin it over I'd pick Cotch. The guy is a different breed to Trengove and will excel in the role. Tough guys like Tuck, Jackson and Martin will always have his back, and the rest of the leadership group (Newman especially) will support him mentally you can be assured. Ready to lead? Born ready MF'er!
Oh and btw I don't think many of you must have met Jackson or at least im sure you dont know the inner workings of the club 100%. Damned good bloke, smart and has his head screwed on very well. He has a role at the club (not just on field) and if he doesn't fulfill it then you can be sure he wouldn't be in the leadership group or at RFC at all. most of your harsh opinions are illinformed and presumptuous. Let up a bit.
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I'm sure most of you were hoping, as I was, that Newman would do it for one more year. Pity, but I can't help but think Newman probably thought this through before stepping down. He did say he wouldn't have if he wasn't confident somebody else could do better.
Oh and btw I don't think many of you must have met Jackson or at least im sure you dont know the inner workings of the club 100%. Damned good bloke, smart and has his head screwed on very well. He has a role at the club (not just on field) and if he doesn't fulfill it then you can be sure he wouldn't be in the leadership group or at RFC at all. most of your harsh opinions are illinformed and presumptuous. Let up a bit.
I get the feeling this isn't the only website you post on. Give you a quick tip, people on here aren't into the whole "you don't know how the club works" attitude. I've quoted the bits I disagree with.....
No, I don't think "most" of us were hoping Newman would do the job. Actually, I reckon 80% of the regulars here were hoping he'd hand it over to Chimp. Personally I reckon Chris did ok but we're moving forward now and Chimp is clearly a guy that can captain for 10 years. One of the best players in the comp is Trent and he's got leadership written all over him
Never met Jackson although I'm sure he's a nice bloke and intelligent as well. Again, I reckon a good 80% (at least) of this website would prefer it if Jacko was not in the leadership group. How many times has this guy been suspended in the last 3 years? How many times has he given away stupid free kicks like the one against Westhoff? Too many times. You could forgive him if he played like Steve Johnson but Daniel is an average player. He had a good patch this year but most of 2012 was the same old same old. Why not drop him from the leadership group and bring in Maric or Foley? What does Jackson provide that these blokes can't?
And what is your role within the club since you know the inner workings? Are you a coterie member? Does an assistant coach tell you that Daniel Jackson does an important role every week whether that be tagging Watson or Swan or maybe even playing as a defensive half forward? There is a coterie member on this website but I don't think he buys into everything that the coaches/players tell him because I know he doesn't rate Jacko at all ;D
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I'm sure most of you were hoping, as I was, that Newman would do it for one more year. Pity, but I can't help but think Newman probably thought this through before stepping down. He did say he wouldn't have if he wasn't confident somebody else could do better.
Oh and btw I don't think many of you must have met Jackson or at least im sure you dont know the inner workings of the club 100%. Damned good bloke, smart and has his head screwed on very well. He has a role at the club (not just on field) and if he doesn't fulfill it then you can be sure he wouldn't be in the leadership group or at RFC at all. most of your harsh opinions are illinformed and presumptuous. Let up a bit.
I get the feeling this isn't the only website you post on. Give you a quick tip, people on here aren't into the whole "you don't know how the club works" attitude. I've quoted the bits I disagree with.....
No, I don't think "most" of us were hoping Newman would do the job. Actually, I reckon 80% of the regulars here were hoping he'd hand it over to Chimp. Personally I reckon Chris did ok but we're moving forward now and Chimp is clearly a guy that can captain for 10 years. One of the best players in the comp is Trent and he's got leadership written all over him
Never met Jackson although I'm sure he's a nice bloke and intelligent as well. Again, I reckon a good 80% (at least) of this website would prefer it if Jacko was not in the leadership group. How many times has this guy been suspended in the last 3 years? How many times has he given away stupid free kicks like the one against Westhoff? Too many times. You could forgive him if he played like Steve Johnson but Daniel is an average player. He had a good patch this year but most of 2012 was the same old same old. Why not drop him from the leadership group and bring in Maric or Foley? What does Jackson provide that these blokes can't?
And what is your role within the club since you know the inner workings? Are you a coterie member? Does an assistant coach tell you that Daniel Jackson does an important role every week whether that be tagging Watson or Swan or maybe even playing as a defensive half forward? There is a coterie member on this website but I don't think he buys into everything that the coaches/players tell him because I know he doesn't rate Jacko at all ;D
Thanks Coach, saved me some typing! :thumbsup
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I get the feeling this isn't the only website you post on. Give you a quick tip, people on here aren't into the whole "you don't know how the club works" attitude. I've quoted the bits I disagree with.....
No, I don't think "most" of us were hoping Newman would do the job. Actually, I reckon 80% of the regulars here were hoping he'd hand it over to Chimp. Personally I reckon Chris did ok but we're moving forward now and Chimp is clearly a guy that can captain for 10 years. One of the best players in the comp is Trent and he's got leadership written all over him
Never met Jackson although I'm sure he's a nice bloke and intelligent as well. Again, I reckon a good 80% (at least) of this website would prefer it if Jacko was not in the leadership group. How many times has this guy been suspended in the last 3 years? How many times has he given away stupid free kicks like the one against Westhoff? Too many times. You could forgive him if he played like Steve Johnson but Daniel is an average player. He had a good patch this year but most of 2012 was the same old same old. Why not drop him from the leadership group and bring in Maric or Foley? What does Jackson provide that these blokes can't?
And what is your role within the club since you know the inner workings? Are you a coterie member? Does an assistant coach tell you that Daniel Jackson does an important role every week whether that be tagging Watson or Swan or maybe even playing as a defensive half forward? There is a coterie member on this website but I don't think he buys into everything that the coaches/players tell him because I know he doesn't rate Jacko at all ;D
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Not disagreeing Coach but does anyone think people who are injury prone (Foley) shouldn't be in the leadership group?
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nah, im more inclined to think that blokes who are prone to acts of stupidity that result in unnecessary frees and suspensions should not be in the leadership group.
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Foley wasn't in the leadership group this year he stood down from it.
And BTW agree Coach a very good post
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I'm sure most of you were hoping, as I was, that Newman would do it for one more year. Pity, but I can't help but think Newman probably thought this through before stepping down. He did say he wouldn't have if he wasn't confident somebody else could do better.
Oh and btw I don't think many of you must have met Jackson or at least im sure you dont know the inner workings of the club 100%. Damned good bloke, smart and has his head screwed on very well. He has a role at the club (not just on field) and if he doesn't fulfill it then you can be sure he wouldn't be in the leadership group or at RFC at all. most of your harsh opinions are illinformed and presumptuous. Let up a bit.
I get the feeling this isn't the only website you post on. Give you a quick tip, people on here aren't into the whole "you don't know how the club works" attitude. I've quoted the bits I disagree with.....
No, I don't think "most" of us were hoping Newman would do the job. Actually, I reckon 80% of the regulars here were hoping he'd hand it over to Chimp. Personally I reckon Chris did ok but we're moving forward now and Chimp is clearly a guy that can captain for 10 years. One of the best players in the comp is Trent and he's got leadership written all over him
Never met Jackson although I'm sure he's a nice bloke and intelligent as well. Again, I reckon a good 80% (at least) of this website would prefer it if Jacko was not in the leadership group. How many times has this guy been suspended in the last 3 years? How many times has he given away stupid free kicks like the one against Westhoff? Too many times. You could forgive him if he played like Steve Johnson but Daniel is an average player. He had a good patch this year but most of 2012 was the same old same old. Why not drop him from the leadership group and bring in Maric or Foley? What does Jackson provide that these blokes can't?
And what is your role within the club since you know the inner workings? Are you a coterie member? Does an assistant coach tell you that Daniel Jackson does an important role every week whether that be tagging Watson or Swan or maybe even playing as a defensive half forward? There is a coterie member on this website but I don't think he buys into everything that the coaches/players tell him because I know he doesn't rate Jacko at all ;D
Good post but...
I wish posters would stop thinking they know what the rest of us think.
:cheers
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Both times I did say "I reckon" though. :thumbsup and I think it's pretty clear how many of the regulars rate Jacko's work. Not many ;D
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Jackson may be a better bloke than father Xmas.
Poor footballer.
I'm sure most of you were hoping, as I was, that Newman would do it for one more year. Pity, but I can't help but think Newman probably thought this through before stepping down. He did say he wouldn't have if he wasn't confident somebody else could do better.
Initially I was worried for Cotchin, after seeing what Melb did to poor Trengove. I thought maybe Deledio should do it, but as mentioned Lids sometimes goes missing and despite being an A-class player he honestly doesn't have the instinctive toughness of guys like Cotch, Tuck and Morris. As for Lids' pride, well he's grown up a lot over the last 2-3 years.
After thinkin it over I'd pick Cotch. The guy is a different breed to Trengove and will excel in the role. Tough guys like Tuck, Jackson and Martin will always have his back, and the rest of the leadership group (Newman especially) will support him mentally you can be assured. Ready to lead? Born ready MF'er!
Oh and btw I don't think many of you must have met Jackson or at least im sure you dont know the inner workings of the club 100%. Damned good bloke, smart and has his head screwed on very well. He has a role at the club (not just on field) and if he doesn't fulfill it then you can be sure he wouldn't be in the leadership group or at RFC at all. most of your harsh opinions are illinformed and presumptuous. Let up a bit.