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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on May 05, 2005, 11:55:44 PM
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According to Browny a number of our blokes take "no doz" caffeine tablets with permission of our medical staff. Only the young guys are not allowed to use it. Browny takes 2 before a game and 1 at half time. He said he feels he has more energy and give him more zip (the side didn't have much zip at the start of the game on the weekend :-\ ).
Spider Everitt said he takes 6 (equivalent to 10 cups of coffee :o. Talk about hypo ;D ).
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Nick Daffy was having grande latte enemas a decade ago.
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Might explain my lack of vim and energy - i'm down to one cup a day whcih i'm just about to have now!
Anyone have a problem with these tablets?
Are they performance enhancing or just make your eyes pop out of your head lol
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They're wack.
Sometimes they cause nausea and like any "upper" run out before time.
Should be banned.
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It may explain why Browny runs around half the time like he is lost......
If you cant get a buzz playing at the elite level on your own, stay home and give someone else a crack.
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I for one, couldnt believe that statement last night by Browny and Everitt as well as how matter of fact it was accepted! If a bit of cafeine is the diference between playing well or poorly...I'd have to think you got problems.
Sounds a bit like "I didnt inhale" and "I did not have sex with woman" kinda sitauation to me.
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Dont drug dealers use caffiene to cut coke and speed. ?
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Dunno...you might do better to ask Cousins and Gardiner! lmao
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or Eddie...
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No Doz was standard fare during my final year in high school. (13 yrs ago now) No biggie. Its been around a long time and side effects were bugger all really.
They shoulda had Tweek from Southpark on the show.
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Agree with the sentiments of om21 and tassie tiger. If you need artificial stimulants to get the adrenalin going at this level, then I’d have lots of questions about those players.
To me, it’s a reflection on those players that they take them in the first place and then probably come to rely on them to get them firing.
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Anyone have a problem with these tablets?
Yeah I do - for all the reason om21, tassie tiger and TS have mentioned.
Also because back in the 1980's at one of the Olympic games an Aussie fellow (Alex Watson was his name IIRC) failed a drug test because of high levels of caffiene. He claimed it was because he had drunk alot of Coke before one of his events. He appealed and won (I think) but he was tainted none the less.
What message is it sending to kids when blokes have to take a caffiene tablet to get themselves fired up :-\ :help
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Sorry Plough...I know I played like crap and let the team down but hey I forgot my caffeine tabs....."yeah right!"
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Must admit, having been around a lot of sport for a lot of years this issue doesn't really concern me. Cain's right No Doz have been around since I was at school...and that's a tad longer than 13 years :lol Basically you could get the same effect by drinking the equivalent in coffees..it's just a lot more convenient to pop a tablet.
Richo has also admitted taking caffeine tablets....as well as being a heavy coffe drinker. In fact many players have admitted taking them. As Everitt and Brown said they suit some players and don't suit others.
Players also take amino acids and various other products (legal) to aid in recovery and to help give a lift. Players drink sports drinks with various additives, eat lollies, take glucose tablets...the list is endless. All are legal and all are taken in the belief they'll help in some way.
I'll bet we've all drunk a heap of coffee at some stage to stay awake and to help focus...I know when I was at Uni, and completing assigments at the last minute, coffee was my drug of choice (along with nicotine).
If it's legal, has no detrimental side effects and it helps I don't see that it's a problem.
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Yeah BG I been around a lotta sport a long time also. Maybe I'm jsut old fashioned but I cant recall any of my teammates eevr needed anything to get em pumped other than team , club and personal motivation. I understand its "just caffeine" but my issue is why do we "need" anything. What can be harmless can easily become a necessary for my continued good performance also. Just easier without it.
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why mention it though ?
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Anyone have a problem with these tablets?
Yeah I do - for all the reason om21, tassie tiger and TS have mentioned.
Also because back in the 1980's at one of the Olympic games an Aussie fellow (Alex Watson was his name IIRC) failed a drug test because of high levels of caffiene. He claimed it was because he had drunk alot of Coke before one of his events. He appealed and won (I think) but he was tainted none the less.
What message is it sending to kids when blokes have to take a caffiene tablet to get themselves fired up :-\ :help
I'm with you guys on this.
Sometimes I don't like the way the 'what about the message to kids' argument gets used in football, but it's perfectly justified in this instance.
Plus, I thought truckloads of caffiene dried the body out, or is it shitloads of coffee that does that?
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why mention it though ?
Thats a fair point too. We all know about painkillers and hurling syringes into knees and ankles and God knows what but why does it have to be the topic of the popular media. Bet that would encourage a few more kids to play the game....NOT. The Footy Show is a out of order raising it, might be ratings worthy but morally bankrupt also. We dont ahve to be hidden from the uglies but we shouldnt be drawing attention to them either!
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All I find caffeine does is keep you awake. I have never felt it give me an extra buzz or extra energy. Sounds to me it's all psychological and more a placebo. They think it peps them up so they feel pepped up.
why mention it though ?
Good ol' Eddie began by saying something along the lines of "you guys (Hird, Everitt and Browny) were pretty open and frank about this at our dinner...".
Browny also said after the game it hits you.
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Having alot of caffiene will dehydrate you. Also the instant coffee's you can buy arn't anywhere near as strong as the coffee's made in the cafes around town. You'd need to drink a mountain of instant to get anywhere near the levels these tablets are giving off.
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Working near Calrton and Lygon Street means Instant coffee is a dirty word to a number of my workmates.
For something that puts hairs on your chest lol try the Italian chocolate drink (a cup full of liquid chocolate) from Brunetti's. It will keep you awake for ages :P.
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Brown in strife over caffeine
By Dan Oakes
The Age
May 7, 2005
The fallout over the widespread use of caffeine by AFL footballers intensified yesterday, with Richmond star Nathan Brown believed to have received a blast from coach Terry Wallace over comments he made endorsing the stimulant.
It is believed that Wallace issued Brown with a "please explain" yesterday morning after the midfielder, whom he coached at the Western Bulldogs, said on Channel Nine's The Footy Show that he "normally took a couple before the game and one at half-time".
"It just gives you a bit of a buzz. It does give you an advantage," Brown said.
Wallace is believed to be concerned that younger players may be encouraged by Brown's admission to use the stimulant. He was also displeased by the implication that the use of caffeine is club policy. The Tigers' coaching and fitness staff will discuss its use next week.
Shortly after Brown's comments, Hawthorn star Peter Everitt revealed that the use of caffeine by footballers was widespread as far back as four years ago, a claim supported yesterday by former and current senior coaches. Everitt also admitted taking five caffeine tablets before and during games, the equivalent of 10 cups of coffee.
AFL medical commissioner Dr Harry Unglik yesterday cast doubts on the effectiveness and fairness of footballers using caffeine tablets as a performance enhancer.
Caffeine was removed from the list of substances banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency only in January last year. Recent revelations of use at AFL clubs since it was removed from the list have thrust caffeine into the limelight.
A memo was sent to club doctors four weeks ago, requesting feedback on increasing use of the stimulant. Fremantle, St Kilda, Hawthorn, Richmond and Collingwood have acknowledged that they have experimented with it in the past.
Unglik said yesterday that he stood by the AFL's official position, which is that although the substance is legal, it should be used under supervision by club doctors. But he said his personal view was that it was detrimental to the competition.
"If you're talking about large doses of caffeine, personally, I'm not giving the opinion of the AFL, I just don't like it," Unglik said. "I think it's pushing the boundaries, it's trying to get an edge that if you measured in terms of the advantage it gives on athlete over another athlete, you're talking . 1 per cent. I think we should have a level playing field."
On the subject of how long clubs had been experimenting with the stimulant, Unglik said that he was unaware that the practice began at least four years ago, but that testing procedures suggested it was not taken in doses exceeding the WADA guidelines.
Coaches The Age spoke to said a number of clubs were not only using caffeine, but also valium as a muscle relaxant after games. The strong theme that came through these discussions was that the use of stimulants such as caffeine was the domain of the fitness staff.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/05/06/1115092686435.html
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Brown let off over caffeine
07 May 2005
Herald Sun
Rebecca Williams and Jon Pierik
RICHMOND last night conceded Nathan Brown's comments about the use of caffeine tablets were inappropriate but the Tigers won't take any action against the star forward.
Brown admitted on the The Footy Show on Thursday night he took caffeine tablets before and during games.
"I normally take a couple before the game and then one at halftime," Brown said.
"It just gives you a bit of a buzz, purely caffeine."
Richmond football director Greg Miller said last night the club had spoken to Brown about his on-air comments.
Miller said the comments were inappropriate.
"We've had a quiet talk to Nathan," Miller said.
"While it's not a banned substance, it's no different to two cups of coffee, it's certainly not something we would want the younger generation to listen to. "That's our only issue, and Nathan agrees.
"It was more a discussion with him about what is appropriate and what is not."
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15201969%255E19771,00.html
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Coaches The Age spoke to said a number of clubs were not only using caffeine, but also valium as a muscle relaxant after games.
Crazy stuff if valium is being used :help :gobdrop
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Working near Calrton and Lygon Street means Instant coffee is a dirty word to a number of my workmates.
For something that puts hairs on your chest lol try the Italian chocolate drink (a cup full of liquid chocolate) from Brunetti's. It will keep you awake for ages :P.
now i know y i have a gorilla chest! my mamma use d to bootle fed me espresso coffee as a baby, she always said milka is gud, butta caffe, mayka u a man ah!
ah its good to be sicilian!
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Are these tablets like guarana? Didn't some girl die or have a heart attack after having one of those guarana drinks like volt or red bull?
I think there's a big difference from having a pain killer in the knee compared to a caffeine tablet. You don't need the caffeine tablet - whatever happened to natural adrenalin?
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Wallace has caffeine concerns
5:16:46 PM Tue 10 May, 2005
Scott Spits
Sportal for afl.com.au
Richmond coach Terry Wallace says he would have no objection if the AFL was to crackdown on players taking high doses of caffeine.
This came after AFL medical commissioner Harry Unglik confirmed the league was aware of studies that linked high doses of caffeine to heart problems and high blood pressure, and was concerned about unregulated use of caffeine by players.
The issue came to light on The Footy Show last week when Richmond's Nathan Brown, Hawthorn's Peter Everitt and Fremantle's Matthew Pavlich confirmed they were regular users of caffeine tablets - such as No-Doz - which are permitted under the AFL’s drug code.
Wallace said he was concerned about the message it sent to aspiring young footballers.
"I couldn't understand where football could possibly come out the winner from bringing those sorts of things to light," Wallace said on Tuesday.
"I just thought it put our game in a bad light that people are needing to use any enhancements to play the game."
Wallace confirmed he had voiced his concerns with the Richmond playing group and had already discussed the issue with Brown.
"I just don't think that it rings a great message at all to the game. As I said to my players yesterday, if I thought that we were responsible for 15 and 16 year old kids sneaking down to the local store to pick up No-Doz because they thought that was going to be the difference between them making the Northern Knights or the Calder Cannons, I'd be shattered with the message we were sending to junior football."
Wallace said no more than six senior players at Punt Road used caffeine tablets before and during matches. He also said the club had discussed banning their use.
"We've spoken about it. (But) it's not illegal. It's each player's individual right for their own preparation, providing they're not breaking the rules. I find that the very difficult thing because I don't agree with it myself," Wallace said.
"We've gone through an education process with them. Those who aren't on it I've been pretty strong on suggesting that they don't take them and don't get involved."
The club has advised its younger players not to use the caffeine tablets, and certainly not without the right medical advice.
"There's 100 things they need to work on that are going to make them better footballers more than what taking a couple of caffeine tablets, or No-Dos tablets, are going to do."
The AFL is expected to make an announcement soon on caffeine use and has advised club doctors that caffeine intake should be strictly supervised.
http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=201773
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Brown won't give up caffeine tablets
11 May 2005
Herald Sun
Jim Wilson
RICHMOND gun Nathan Brown is expected to continue taking caffeine tablets before and during games despite copping a verbal barrage from coach Terry Wallace.
Brown last night told the Herald Sun that he would not be making any further public comment on the use of caffeine tablets, saying what he did on match days was his business.
"It's a player's choice and from now on it remains private with me. But I take Terry's point that it doesn't send the right message by commenting publicly on the issue.
"I suppose it's not the sort of thing parents would want their kids to hear," Brown said.
Full article: http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,15246126%255E19771,00.html
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Beats me how the media love these sort of stories and the story about the Tigers being in the wrong place at the wrong time. We had the latter piece in Monday's paper but no mention of the Tigers thrashing the Blues. Must be so hard for them to find something nice to say about us. >:(
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Being a shift worker my whole life - well 20 years of shift work anyway. In the early days used to try no doz - from memory I don't remember it having much effect. Back in the late 80's early 90's there was these slimming tablets called medi slim - They didn't last long though - wooo hooo those things were deadly.
Dont really use much as a stimulant these days - maybe the odd cup of coffee - But usually at the start of a cycle of nightshift I'll have a red bull to get me though the first night. I reckeon if you had 2 or 3 of them before a game you would be doing Jacko's and climbing goalposts.
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Are these tablets like guarana? Didn't some girl die or have a heart attack after having one of those guarana drinks like volt or red bull?
I think there's a big difference from having a pain killer in the knee compared to a caffeine tablet. You don't need the caffeine tablet - whatever happened to natural adrenalin?
Yeah I remember, that Julz, but she did have some sort of medical condition, and the way she and her friends were drinking it was wrong, mixing it with alcohol at a night club because they were dancing, getting hot and thirsty, drinking red bull, which dehydrates because of the caffene, dancing, getting hot, drinking more and so on and on, bad combinations.
I have a bottle of V everyday at work which wakes me up, but dont have one on holidays or weekends, dunno if its real or imagined, but it works for me :)
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Connolly apologises for attack on Wallace
By Stathi Paxinos
The Age
May 15, 2005
Fremantle coach Chris Connolly yesterday apologised to Richmond's Terry Wallace, saying he was wrong and had made a "big mistake" in labelling Wallace's stance against AFL players' use of caffeine as grandstanding.
Connolly made a stinging attack on Wallace a week ago saying the Tigers coach had no right taking the moral high ground on the issue because he did not possess a clean track record himself. He claimed Wallace had sent players out to bash opponents when coach of the Western Bulldogs.
Wallace, who was disappointed some of his players had used caffeine tablets, had said he would back any AFL move to ban their use because it looked bad for the game.
Connolly yesterday told radio station 3AW he had made the comments when the club, which Connolly last week acknowledged sanctioned the players' use of caffeine tablets under medical supervision, had been under siege since revelations about Dockers star Matthew Pavlich's use of the tablets.
He said he had thought at the time that Wallace had been trying to stir up trouble, but had come to realise he was "wrong, there's no question about that".
"At that point in time I made a big mistake, I was very aggressive towards Terry Wallace because I thought he'd re-started the thing we were trying to put to bed and (I) went on in an aggressive nature," Connolly said. "I'm sorry for that and I've spoken to Terry at length."
Connolly said his comments about the club's use of caffeine tablets had been taken out of context and he was referring only to his own players using caffeine under strict medical supervision.
"I thought I was misquoted, I was talking specifically about our players (and) the things we do in an AFL environment," Connolly said.
"We wouldn't expect anyone outside an AFL environment to do any of these things and I went on at length to try and explain that and then, of course, a snippet was taken out and passed onto a lady at the Australian Medical Association who has really painted a poor picture of myself and the club in terms of promoting caffeine to just about anybody - and that couldn't be any further from the truth."
Connolly also said he was wrong for accusing Wallace of sending his players out to bash the opposition. "They were very aggressive at the Western Bulldogs and to be successful in AFL football you've got to be super aggressive."
Meanwhile, AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou yesterday also told 3AW he had received worrying feedback from junior clubs that talk of the use of caffeine tablets had become all the rage among young players.
"We know in the last two to three weeks of junior clubs where one of the major discussion points at training has been the use of No-Doz," Demetriou said.
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2005/05/14/1116024407262.html?oneclick=true
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Only because he has been shown up for the goose he is - Shove ur apology where the sun don't shine mate
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It was a decent enough apology, CUB - have to give him some credit for that
But agree he was a goose.
Saw the AMA lady on Whiteline Fever - she ripped into Connolly in no uncertain terms. He should have kept his big mouth shut!
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This will affect Browny if he is still using No Doz.
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Caffeine ban debate
10 June 2006 Herald Sun
Jim Wilson
THE push to have caffeine tablets banned from elite sport, including the AFL, is back on the agenda with world anti-doping authorities.
The Herald Sun has learnt the World Anti-Doping Agency is seriously considering putting caffeine back on the banned drug list.
WADA's biggest issue with caffeine is athletes mixing the drug with pseudoephedrine to dramatically increase stimulation.
"Certainly the cocktail is of major concern to all of us and it's something we are closely monitoring across a range of sports," WADA executive general David Howman said last night from Canada.
"We are worried about it and the combination of the two substances is an interesting phenomenon."
The use of caffeine tablets in the AFL was highlighted last year when several high-profile players admitted they took them as stimulants on match days.
Herald Sun sports medicine expert Dr Peter Larkins said last night that caffeine would probably go back on the banned list.
The world drug agency will discuss caffeine use at a meeting in September when it may decide to ban the drug and include it on next year's prohibited list.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,19420583%255E19742,00.html