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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: the claw on November 22, 2012, 09:22:51 PM
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While im okay with the Vlastuin pick im shocked no one on any site has commented on us not taking Grundy at 9.
i know most are going to say we took mcbean at 33 to me this is a wasted pick if we are after a competitive ruckman, im not even sure mcbean is a ruckman he may be tall but he sure doesnt show many ruckman like traits.
im not going to bag em i will wait and see but overall for me disappointing sums up our trade and nd period.
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super troll :clapping
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Collingwoods picks > Richmonds picks
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9 other teams past on him after us, I have no concerns good luck to kid........
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Grundy will be the new Butcher... massively over rated
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super troll :clapping
reckon i did more than enough posts on this topic prior to the draft that says your an imbecile.
if calling me a troll is all you have you have nothing.
its pretty simple we took vlastuin over grundy. both were high quality picks and imo both were worthy top 10 picks. thing is one covered list needs in a big way and is a rarity and one is a type we could have used our next 3 picks on.
ya know they said we were taking mids they explained we lacked depth with them and what do they do?
how many genuine mids have we taken, have we ended up with any pure mids other than vlastuin. and thats both trade and nd.
we lack a ruckman no we lack two ruckmen what do we get? well i will tell ya. if we are lucky a lesser version of vickery a 202 cm forward who will never be big enough to play as a competitive ruckman. you want to see a ruckman go look at ivan and ask yourself what traits does mcbean have of ivan.
we have enough roughly 200cm forwards cum second string ruckmen in vickery and elton even griffiths now we have mcbean sheesh.
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Preferred Jaksch orGrundy over Vlastuin but I expect Vlastuin will be a good player.
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super troll :clapping
reckon i did more than enough posts on this topic prior to the draft that says your an imbecile.
if calling me a troll is all you have you have nothing.
its pretty simple we took vlastuin over grundy. both were high quality picks and imo both were worthy top 10 picks. thing is one covered list needs in a big way and is a rarity and one is a type we could have used our next 3 picks on.
ya know they said we were taking mids they explained we lacked depth with them and what do they do?
how many genuine mids have we taken, have we ended up with any pure mids other than vlastuin. and thats both trade and nd.
we lack a ruckman no we lack two ruckmen what do we get? well i will tell ya. if we are lucky a lesser version of vickery a 202 cm forward who will never be big enough to play as a competitive ruckman. you want to see a ruckman go look at ivan and ask yourself what traits does mcbean have of ivan.
we have enough roughly 200cm forwards cum second string ruckmen in vickery and elton even griffiths now we have mcbean sheesh.
Totally agree with the 200cm types. Either pick a ruckman or pick a KPF (Jack Darling type at 190cm odd)
And even Vlastuin isnt what you would call a genuine mid.
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Grundy looks like George Michael. Gets his eyebrows sculpted.
He's a cross between George Michael and Carig David. DO NOT WANT
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Pointless thread, bring it up in 3 years.
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Pointless thread, bring it up in 3 years.
Agree with this completely ..
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lol Claw u just can't help ya self, you misery guts
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Careless Whispers?
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Careless Whispers?
:shh
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super troll :clapping
reckon i did more than enough posts on this topic prior to the draft that says your an imbecile.
if calling me a troll is all you have you have nothing.
its pretty simple we took vlastuin over grundy. both were high quality picks and imo both were worthy top 10 picks. thing is one covered list needs in a big way and is a rarity and one is a type we could have used our next 3 picks on.
ya know they said we were taking mids they explained we lacked depth with them and what do they do?
how many genuine mids have we taken, have we ended up with any pure mids other than vlastuin. and thats both trade and nd.
we lack a ruckman no we lack two ruckmen what do we get? well i will tell ya. if we are lucky a lesser version of vickery a 202 cm forward who will never be big enough to play as a competitive ruckman. you want to see a ruckman go look at ivan and ask yourself what traits does mcbean have of ivan.
we have enough roughly 200cm forwards cum second string ruckmen in vickery and elton even griffiths now we have mcbean sheesh.
:fishing
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While im okay with the Vlastuin pick im shocked no one on any site has commented on us not taking Grundy at 9.
i know most are going to say we took mcbean at 33 to me this is a wasted pick if we are after a competitive ruckman, im not even sure mcbean is a ruckman he may be tall but he sure doesnt show many ruckman like traits.
im not going to bag em i will wait and see but overall for me disappointing sums up our trade and nd period.
but every trade for is disappointing for you Mr Claw, not unlike PRE when
you posted there, granted you were right along with others in those dreadful days
for the RFC.
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In b4 Vlastuin wins Rising Star and Grundy is disappointing
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Preferred Jaksch orGrundy over Vlastuin but I expect Vlastuin will be a good player.
not having a go at vlastuin i rate him highly as well.. in fact if grundy had already gone id be over the moon with this pick.
im asking apart from vlastuin did we really address any of the list needs i dont think we did.
4 key areas needed addressing in the trade nd.
1/ real big kpd we got chaplin before the draft so this was not a priority in the nd.
2/ we cut two ruckmen leaving just one imo. our ruckman is 27 at the start of the yr the time was right to take a genuine high quality ruckman who is a genuine #1 ruckman.
3/ we have just 8 to 10 what you would call genuine mids in our system we are screaming out for probably 4. yet we end up with just one and a lot of people would argue not me that hes a hbf.
4/ with just riewoldt, vickery, elton and god forbid mcguane named as our tall forwards, the need for a genuine tall forward was just as dire as our needs for a genuine ruckman . yet we take a tall defender in mcintosh and are planning to try to turn him into a mid. unbelievable why cant they just take the best genuine mid available rather than being cute.
to top it all off we have taken edwards and knights in f/a and trade two players expected to play as med forwards, we takeke em to go with the other edwards nahas king white who we hung onto god knows why all sml forwards and we draft another sml forward at 43. please tell me where are they addressing the list needs in the nd.
what did we end up with as far as addressing the list goes.well i will leave it everyone else to think that thru for themselves . vlastuin aside i have to say im disappointed.
i just hope they have picked two or three good players nd perhaps the needs can be addressed next yr .
what i dont get is why they acknowledge the needs then do little to over come them.
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look claw not sure if we chose the right guy and to be honest we probably wont know for a year or 2, but i cant understand how we can risk heading into a new year with Maric and Vickery as our only recognized ruckman.
Its a massive risk IMO
Surely we have someone in mind in the PSD
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Preferred Jaksch orGrundy over Vlastuin but I expect Vlastuin will be a good player.
not having a go at vlastuin i rate him highly as well.. in fact if grundy had already gone id be over the moon with this pick.
im asking apart from vlastuin did we really address any of the list needs i dont think we did.
4 key areas needed addressing in the trade nd.
1/ real big kpd we got chaplin before the draft so this was not a priority in the nd.
2/ we cut two ruckmen leaving just one imo. our ruckman is 27 at the start of the yr the time was right to take a genuine high quality ruckman who is a genuine #1 ruckman.
3/ we have just 8 to 10 what you would call genuine mids in our system we are screaming out for probably 4. yet we end up with just one and a lot of people would argue not me that hes a hbf.
4/ with just riewoldt, vickery, elton and god forbid mcguane named as our tall forwards, the need for a genuine tall forward was just as dire as our needs for a genuine ruckman . yet we take a tall defender in mcintosh and are planning to try to turn him into a mid. unbelievable why cant they just take the best genuine mid available rather than being cute.
to top it all off we have taken edwards and knights in f/a and trade two players expected to play as med forwards, we takeke em to go with the other edwards nahas king white who we hung onto god knows why all sml forwards and we draft another sml forward at 43. please tell me where are they addressing the list needs in the nd.
what did we end up with as far as addressing the list goes.well i will leave it everyone else to think that thru for themselves . vlastuin aside i have to say im disappointed.
i just hope they have picked two or three good players nd perhaps the needs can be addressed next yr .
what i dont get is why they acknowledge the needs then do little to over come them.
We addressed the need to send Jackson to Coburg and replace him with a hard nut midfielder with elite disposal
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pretty sure we will rookie a mature ruckman.
:lol at craw peeling of the names of the small/medium forwards he doesnt rate that are still on the list then questions the drafting of a small forward, who can play midfield, as not filling a list need.
also craw, why do you think the dutchman is a HBF not a mid? what traits does he lack that suggest he best suited to a flank and not to the midfield?
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pretty sure we will rookie a mature ruckman.
:lol at craw peeling of the names of the small/medium forwards he doesnt rate that are still on the list then questions the drafting of a small forward, who can play midfield, as not filling a list need.
also craw, why do you think the dutchman is a HBF not a mid? what traits does he lack that suggest he best suited to a flank and not to the midfield?
so you would rather we take a sml forward when we are screaming out for mids just great way to go. you would rather we take that sml forward having just traded for two mature med sized forwards to go with s edwards nahas and king.
are you sure we will draft a mature ruckman of corse we will probably cam wood im looking forward to seeing that hack in a richmond jumper just like im sure you are.
lastly nowhere have i said vlastuin is a hbf. read again what has been said. nes always been a mid to me but there are plenty who will argue with you wrongly imo that hes nothing more than a flanker. i dont have a problem with vlastuin but i do have a problem with list managment and what we have done.
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ok sorry, i misread the hbf thing re vastulin
as for the small forward, do you think we have the quality long term in this area?
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ok sorry, i misread the hbf thing re vastulin
as for the small forward, do you think we have the quality long term in this area?
we are supposed to be aiming for finals next yr what is the greater need more mids oor small forwards.
cmon al its not that hard to work out.
we all moaned like bunnies this yr including the club about the lack of midfield depth what the hell have we done to address it. the lack of logic with them if you like is just a little perplexing.
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I was an advocate of Grundy pre draft but Vlastuin looks to be a very solid pick (his RFC highlights package is awesome) so I'm not complaining.
He may well prove a lot more valuable to our club than Grundy will at the Pies both short and long term.
McBean? Who knows. So hard to judge the talls.
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ok sorry, i misread the hbf thing re vastulin
as for the small forward, do you think we have the quality long term in this area?
we are supposed to be aiming for finals next yr what is the greater need more mids oor small forwards.
cmon al its not that hard to work out.
we all moaned like bunnies this yr including the club about the lack of midfield depth what the hell have we done to address it. the lack of logic with them if you like is just a little perplexing.
If we're aiming for finals then debuting 4 first year players wouldnt get us there anyway! We need to rely on the kids we have picked othe past to step up Arnott, Ellis, Conca, Martin need to take that next step again next year. If you think that debuting 4 first year mids is going to get us into the finals then our more delusional than I thought :huh
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With a top ten pick go best available every time. Best chance to get some silk in the team and not the place to play cute going for list needs.
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ok sorry, i misread the hbf thing re vastulin
as for the small forward, do you think we have the quality long term in this area?
we are supposed to be aiming for finals next yr what is the greater need more mids oor small forwards.
cmon al its not that hard to work out.
we all moaned like bunnies this yr including the club about the lack of midfield depth what the hell have we done to address it. the lack of logic with them if you like is just a little perplexing.
so now we are drafting for this year?
we still have weaknesses all over the ground.
here is a forward who can play midfield as well.
skill wise (assuming he makes the grade) he upgrades white, king, and nahas, so it potentially fills a need.
what so hard to work out about that?
we don't have an abundance of any proven type of player at the moment
If the club rate him higher than the "pure midfield" players available at that pick, why would you overlook him.
Rather than get so wrapped up about in semantics about having 2 of this and 3 of that and 4 of that and player x is doesnt fill the need, why not look at what attributes they bring as footballers and are they likely to upgrade on any of those you see as holding us back?
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ok sorry, i misread the hbf thing re vastulin
as for the small forward, do you think we have the quality long term in this area?
we are supposed to be aiming for finals next yr what is the greater need more mids oor small forwards.
cmon al its not that hard to work out.
we all moaned like bunnies this yr including the club about the lack of midfield depth what the hell have we done to address it. the lack of logic with them if you like is just a little perplexing.
Drafting halfback flankers allows our halfback flankers who can play midfield move into there even if its just a rotation. This refers to Newman, Houli, Ellis, perhaps even Batch. And maybe Arnott but who knows considering he hasn't played yet.
I think with list needs you just want us to have double of everything, but thats just silly. You gotta consider durability of players. Midfielders generally spend more time injured than your ruckman which logic says get more midfielders.
On Vlastuin, not sure if i rate him but thats harsh since all I've seen is one highlight package. But I reckon the club was right selecting him over Grundy. You never know with ruckman, you get quality in the rookie drafts and PSD. But with midfielders, the quality definitely comes more from the top end. With that in mind, why recruit a ruckman early and then recruit just soldier midfielders later for depth when some of you don't even think Conca or Ellis are good enough (only a select few)?
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We played the percentages.
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While im okay with the Vlastuin pick im shocked no one on any site has commented on us not taking Grundy at 9.
i know most are going to say we took mcbean at 33 to me this is a wasted pick if we are after a competitive ruckman, im not even sure mcbean is a ruckman he may be tall but he sure doesnt show many ruckman like traits.
im not going to bag em i will wait and see but overall for me disappointing sums up our trade and nd period.
203 key defender, I thought you'd ejaculate :shh
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look claw not sure if we chose the right guy and to be honest we probably wont know for a year or 2, but i cant understand how we can risk heading into a new year with Maric and Vickery as our only recognized ruckman.
Its a massive risk IMO
Surely we have someone in mind in the PSD
We will take one of Stephenson or Wood in the PSD/Rookie draft for sure Daniel.
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We played the percentages.
Does that help you win a flag when your coming of a low base. We havent made finals in so long, I cant see how playing the percentages or just being average gets you to a flag.
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look claw not sure if we chose the right guy and to be honest we probably wont know for a year or 2, but i cant understand how we can risk heading into a new year with Maric and Vickery as our only recognized ruckman.
Its a massive risk IMO
Surely we have someone in mind in the PSD
We will take one of Stephenson or Wood in the PSD/Rookie draft for sure Daniel.
But Gus is better than those guys ;D
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did gus play against stephenson in the VFL.
Stats wise stephenson was one of the better performed ruckman in the VFL.
Wood would be rejected by the McCain factory
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look claw not sure if we chose the right guy and to be honest we probably wont know for a year or 2, but i cant understand how we can risk heading into a new year with Maric and Vickery as our only recognized ruckman.
Its a massive risk IMO
Surely we have someone in mind in the PSD
We will take one of Stephenson or Wood in the PSD/Rookie draft for sure Daniel.
But Gus is better than those guys ;D
Shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic you reckon? ;D
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Whilst i initially was left reeling, the fact so many clubs before and after us left him out of their equation says more than any armchair boofhead. There arent too many clubs with an ivan maric in their ranks yet they all overlooked him...we have one of the best in the business and depends on who you talk to but a prodigious talent in mcbean...live and let live i say :shh
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did gus play against stephenson in the VFL.
Stats wise stephenson was one of the better performed ruckman in the VFL.
Wood would be rejected by the McCain factory
Yeah I think that is just Big O's level. Being 30+ makes it hard.
Whilst i initially was left reeling, the fact so many clubs before and after us left him out of their equation says more than any armchair boofhead. There arent too many clubs with an ivan maric in their ranks yet they all overlooked him...we have one of the best in the business and depends on who you talk to but a prodigious talent in mcbean...live and let live i say :shh
Let's be honest. You didn't even know who McBean was until he got drafted last night, did you?
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did gus play against stephenson in the VFL.
Stats wise stephenson was one of the better performed ruckman in the VFL.
Wood would be rejected by the McCain factory
Yeah I think that is just Big O's level. Being 30+ makes it hard.
true. i could live with him as a rookie pick as a stop gap/back up for a year though.
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Bring back Patto I say
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nah, St Kilda ruined him.
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Bring back Patto I say
its not even funny to think Patto is as equal to Wood who we most likely will take.
Giles was on the table and we didnt approach.
Griffin is homesick and we dont approach
I mean that GC game last year with no Maric is a sign of things to come if he goes down with an injury
Wood is no better than Graham IMO in fact possibly worse. I mean if the Pies were happy to go into 2013 with one specialized 30 yr old ruckman says it all really.
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Giles was on the table and we didnt approach.
Griffin is homesick and we dont approach
where do you get this inside info from Daniel?
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i for one was disappointed thought Butcher would be the bomb and look how that panned out
I wouldnt have a clue but i think we made the right choice.
we need to make finals next year. Dimma knows his job is on the line its a no brainer he was our man.
we cant afford to give a ruckman 2/3 years develop. Our time is now.
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Giles was on the table and we didnt approach.
Griffin is homesick and we dont approach
where do you get this inside info from Daniel?
well griffin is not getting a game so of course a good offer and he was cherry ripe to come home
Giles was on the table as far as i knew and Pies were keen on him, not us.
I rate him a good ruckman and wouldve been happy to offer a good size contract but we never did as far as i knew
If Vickery is our man this argument is dead and buried but if his body doesnt pull up we are in a hole. He is very important for us
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but how do you know we didn't approach them?
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Calm down everyone, just remember we have the best development coach in the league working for us now. :clapping
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Giles was on the table and we didnt approach.
Griffin is homesick and we dont approach
where do you get this inside info from Daniel?
well griffin is not getting a game so of course a good offer and he was cherry ripe to come home
Giles was on the table as far as i knew and Pies were keen on him, not us.
I rate him a good ruckman and wouldve been happy to offer a good size contract but we never did as far as i knew
If Vickery is our man this argument is dead and buried but if his body doesnt pull up we are in a hole. He is very important for us
Giles was never going to go to a club where he was a backup ruckman and Griffin left Adelaide to go back to WA only 2 seasons ago so I have my doubts he would want to move again to be a backup on the other side of the country.
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makes sense TFT but wasn't Griffin a local boy. Maybe i was wrong and Al no offer for Giles was made. Source. Jackstar
i guess it just annoys me seeing we may choose Cam Wood who i rate alongside the worst ruckman in the league.
I hope we go for the Big O for a year as a stop gap
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no offer for Giles was made. Source. Jackstar
LMFAO. That means we offered Giles a Juddy like contract.
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If Grundy was that good why did he go so late on in the draft i suspecting collingwood have done a bit of under the table work... bit like when they ended up getting ball.....
im happy with Vlastuin looks good
go u tigers
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We played the percentages.
Does that help you win a flag when your coming of a low base. We havent made finals in so long, I cant see how playing the percentages or just being average gets you to a flag.
Taking the glass half empty approach there.
On the upside if Vlastuin is an upgrade on many of the players currently in our 22 it will certainly help towards a flag.
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
Jacko will be here for a while yet. We need his leadership
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no offer for Giles was made. Source. Jackstar
:lol
LMFAO. That means we offered Giles a Juddy like contract.
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Lol Griffin isn't homesick. What a load of poo. He's playing in his home state FFS.
lmfao homesick. :lol
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
dude, I just changed my man nappy, don't make me pee myself laughing again....
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
dude, I just changed my man nappy, don't make me pee myself laughing again....
Are you still wearing that thing? FFS
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I just don't like getting up out of my comfy chair
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Lol Griffin isn't homesick. What a load of poo. He's playing in his home state FFS.
lmfao homesick. :lol
Mistakes happen
I meant the other guy whose name escapes me
Is that okay with u twit
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I hope we go for the Big O for a year as a stop gap
Me too, much better option than Wood.
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Lol Griffin isn't homesick. What a load of poo. He's playing in his home state FFS.
lmfao homesick. :lol
Mistakes happen
I meant the other guy whose name escapes me
Is that okay with u twit
Lmao no need to get angry about it. Wound up like a jack in the box. :lol
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
dude, I just changed my man nappy, don't make me pee myself laughing again....
Are you still wearing that thing? FFS
:lol
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+ side is its dan jacksons last year
VFL captain, orange giant, or french au pair, smart man has plenty of options
Jacko will be here for a while yet. We need his leadership
;D