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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on February 02, 2013, 01:41:44 PM
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Borrowing a question from Richo on twitter ...
@mattricho0 - "@AFL season not far away, interested from all footy fans who you think the bona fide a graders at your team r? #jets #guns"
Btw this is a reply Richo got:
B.J. Winzer @Omegaville - "Being realistic here - Trent Cotchin would be the only Tiger player who would fit into the starting 18 at any club."
:stupid
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A graders
Cotch Lids and Jack
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Cotch, Deledio, Riewoldt, Maric and Martin will be this year.
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Agree with blaisee. Cotchin, Deledio, Riewoldt.
Maric has just had the one good year so far so not sure he falls into the class of the above 3 yet.
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Jack- U gotta be ƒuçken kidding
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A graders dont sook.
End of story
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Should hand back his Colemans for being such a sook FFS
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its more a Cole than a Coleman.
Hardly a season tally for the record books
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its more a Cole than a Coleman.
Hardly a season tally for the record books
Maybe we could add his two Coleman seasons goals together and let him keep one Coleman then?
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Woah any more Colemans and we'll be renaming it the Riewoldt :shh
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A graders
Cotch Lids and Jack
Agree
Maric maintains what he showed last season and he will move from B to A IMHO
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Manitobans?
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Manitobans?
Sorry Ox, bloody iPad creates words when crap typing kicks in :rollin
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:lol
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Deledio would be in every team best couple...
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Chimp is our only guy who plays at an elite level every week. Deledio very close and Riewoldt is easily A grade when he works hard. No one else near it
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Pup is A grade even when he's not trying. Dusty is easily A grade when he works hard. No one else near it.
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Pup is A grade even when he's not trying. Dusty is easily A grade when he works hard. No one else near it.
Like that Essendon game where he had 8 touches and sooked up? A grade sook and A grade footballer most of the time. There's no denying he stinks it up a fair few times a season ;D You can't be an A grade footballer if you finish 10th in a B&F in a bottom 7 side
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Lids, Cotch, Jack - who is A grade despite his whiny baby sooking. Anyone would have him in their forward line.
Hope Dusty can step up because he has the talent
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But there is another, that has been hidden away on a far far far away medical room.. When he's in the side we are at our best. He is an A grader
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A graders dont sook.
End of story
Lol
Should hand back his Colemans for being such a sook FFS
Lol
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Maric is the best ruckman we have had since Dear, Gale ect....long long long time ago, he has shown more in 1 year than every supposed ruckman we have had since the before mentioned........gives him A grade status for mine!!
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Cotch-A+
Lids-A
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Ivan-B+
Martin-B
Jack-Knob ++
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when fit and firing nathan foley for mine is definite A Grade
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I like Foley but his kicking lets him down and prevents him from being in the same category as Lids, Cotch and Jack
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Granted his kicking is at times not up to par
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when fit and firing nathan foley for mine is definite A Grade
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Is being a very good kick a requirement for being an A grader, or can you be an A grader without being an A grade kick?
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Good point Al..is Buddy an A grader then?...was Richo an A grader?was stewie lowe an A grader?
Can the other parts of your game more than make up a defficiency in an another area?
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they can if they exceptional enough.
The three you mention are interesting and could easily be argued for and against.
Both Richo and buddy are/were capable of kicking great goals, particularly on the run from distance, but did/do let themselves down with easy set shots at times. Does other attributes such as their athleticism and marking make up for it? yeah, probably.
Buckets was a very good mark but probably didn't kick the miraculous goals the other two were capable of, but he did work hard on his kicking and finished his career as a reliable kick. A grade? hmm there abouts.
But back to foley, does his have elite attributes than can make up for a weakness in the most important aspect of the game?
Borderline for mine, and combined with inability to stay on the park id say an A rating is a tad too generous.
Ratings are very subjective, of course
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Greg Williams and sam mitchell are a grade.
Foley proved he is a grade in the SOO match.
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
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didnt mcguane get a three contract a few years ago?
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didnt mcguane get a three contract a few years ago?
Yer but he's an A-grader. Carry on.
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Reckon if he stays on the park this year Grimes could prove to be an A-Grader.
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Yep ..I reckon if grimes can stay fit he could end up being an A grader +...I put cotch in that bracket too
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Jack- U gotta be ƒuçken kidding
Who are u kiddin ox, he wins coleman medals on one leg and you dont reckon he s A grade he s freakin AAA grade :shh
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Matthew Dea
Shane Edwards
Jake Batchelor
David Astbury
Luke McGuane
Daniel Jackson
Jake King
Matthew White
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Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
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Maric is the best ruckman we have had since Dear, Gale ect....long long long time ago, he has shown more in 1 year than every supposed ruckman we have had since the before mentioned........gives him A grade status for mine!!
Simmonds was AA (or in the squad of 40, dont really remember ;D) and near won a B&F for us one year didn't he? Staff was close to the best goal kicking ruckman going around for a couple of years. His tap work was also fantastic. Pity he was often injured/suspended. Our only below average player who has held down #1 ruck is probably Goose.
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Chap who? Am I the only guy who has seen him play before and also knows what his real name is?
The stuff is going on around here these days?
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Chap who? Am I the only guy who has seen him play before and also knows what his real name is?
The stuff is going on around here these days?
In my day, you would've had that post thrown right back at you - sin binned - and you'd have to resubmit that post again.
Where's '65 when you need him?
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Chap who? Am I the only guy who has seen him play before and also knows what his real name is?
The stuff is going on around here these days?
In my day, you would've had that post thrown right back at you - sin binned - and you'd have to resubmit that post again.
Where's '65 when you need him?
In my day, you were still pooting in your internet nappy while I was going head to head with Dutchy...with a gerkin flavour a thrown in. Paul Chapman is not a Tiger recently signed to a 4 year deal. Troy Chapman, however...
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
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Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
Do you have a problem with reading? The 4 players below him would have kicked more goals than him if they had played as many games. I guess every forward that kicked more than 27 goals in 95 is better than Rick.
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Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
It's a credit to Jack for staying on the park and kicking goals. So if Franklin stayed on and kicked 70 goals he'd win and everyone can bow at his feet? But because Jack stayed on injured and still kicked 65 he doesn't deserve it? Getting suspended, crashing you're car and whatever else stopped Franklin and Walker from getting the Coleman is on them and is the reason they don't deserve the Coleman
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sure he deserves it. he won it.
Thats not the point.
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Coach great players stay on the Park! nuff said! Jack's a far superior shot on goal than Franklin. Buddy is Richo MkII. Misses the easy ones and slots in the one's 50 out and on the boundary. Jack is technically superior when it comes to kicking. Buddy relies on freakishness and freakishness is can be a fairweather friend.
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Its not jacks fault others have injury
Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
Do you have a problem with reading? The 4 players below him would have kicked more goals than him if they had played as many games. I guess every forward that kicked more than 27 goals in 95 is better than Rick.
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If we can sort out our entry into the forward 50 play this year then Jack (barring injury) will find it much easier to be at his best. Last year we had more often than not more inside 50s than our opponents but couldn't make the most of it. Being the sole target most of the time made it easier for defenders to peel off and double team Jack. Last year Vickery had stuffed shoulders and the alternate 2nd bananas were Miller and McGuane - enough said :help. Jack is an A-grader but even A-graders can find it more difficult if they're carrying injuries and there's no support around then.
Cotch and Lids are our other A-graders IMO.
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Cotch, Lids and Jack - in that order. Martin has the potential but may not have the required attitude and just to throw a name from left field - Vickery. The big Vick will develop over the next 3 years and has the potential to step up more than people may expect in his role. Here's hoping none-the-less! :pray
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Fair points Coach but he was a free agent so it was easier for him to go. Obviously, Port decided that what the RFC were offering $$ wise was over the odds and they were not prepared to match it. Then again perhaps they couldn't afford to match it seeing they needed to keep Boak and gave him very big $$.
And not doubting you but I didn't know he was no longer in their leadership group. All reports were he was in the leadership group in 2012
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
Do you have a problem with reading? The 4 players below him would have kicked more goals than him if they had played as many games. I guess every forward that kicked more than 27 goals in 95 is better than Rick.
Well thats as arguable as me saying if jack hadnt have come off 5 post season ops and resumed full scale training earlier than a fortnight before round 1, he may well have kicked 100 :shh
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Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
Do you have a problem with reading? The 4 players below him would have kicked more goals than him if they had played as many games. I guess every forward that kicked more than 27 goals in 95 is better than Rick.
Chaps left because we sounded him out earlier in the season and put a very good proposal to him. Port are no good and will need to rebuild. Tiges are finals bound and on the up. No brainer why he left really. iirc Port fought pretty hard to keep him but he'd made up his mind and wanted to leave. Port have no money and will need to invest in juniors.
He's known to be very vocal and a general of the backline, he is a great match up for mobile forwards as he reads the play really well. He is a very good kick and makes good decisions.. He is one of the leading backman in the comp.
Look to be honest i wouldn't say he's an A grader as such, but he is an A grade backman
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Both Chaplin and Knights were sounded out years a go according to them....
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Port don't know what the duck the are on about. Hardly the benchmark
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If we can sort out our entry into the forward 50 play this year then Jack (barring injury) will find it much easier to be at his best. Last year we had more often than not more inside 50s than our opponents but couldn't make the most of it. Being the sole target most of the time made it easier for defenders to peel off and double team Jack. Last year Vickery had stuffed shoulders and the alternate 2nd bananas were Miller and McGuane - enough said :help. Jack is an A-grader but even A-graders can find it more difficult if they're carrying injuries and there's no support around then.
Cotch and Lids are our other A-graders IMO.
Great post MT. :thumbsup
I agree.
Jack will play better with some decent support up forward. And if you have another decent option defenders are reluctant to leave them to help spoil Jack.
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Fair points Coach but he was a free agent so it was easier for him to go. Obviously, Port decided that what the RFC were offering $$ wise was over the odds and they were not prepared to match it. Then again perhaps they couldn't afford to match it seeing they needed to keep Boak and gave him very big $$.
And not doubting you but I didn't know he was no longer in their leadership group. All reports were he was in the leadership group in 2012
Their leadership group was Cassisi, Boak, Hartlett, Schulz & Trengove. Chaplin no where near it. In fact, he may have even been removed after the 2010 season. But either way, he was not in their 2012 group. What reports have said he was in the LG last year?
Being an A Grader is why Axle got a 3 year contract :thumbsup
Chappy got a 4 year deal. A+?
You dont think Chapman is an A grader? i do hes a fantastic player.
Oops, a slip of the mind.. reverting to semantics. hmmm.. Still stands though, He's an A grade defender with great leadership.
Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group? What makes you think he's close to A grade? Not having a crack, just genuinely interested in your thoughts on him.
Coleman medal.
Lowest Tally since 1975
Jack played them all.......
As of end of round 23
Jack Rewind - 65 goals - Missed 0 matches
Taylor Walker - 63 goals - Missed 5 matches
Matthew Pavlich - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Tom Hawkins - 62 goals - Missed 1 match
Lance Franklin - 59 goals - Missed 5 matches
Winning the Coleman has no supporting eveidence in the argument of Jack being an "A LISTER"
Quite the contrary, actually.
Having said that, i hope he can take a step toward being one in 2013.
Jack won the coleman, didnt even have a very good year, finished ahead of every other reputed forward in the game, no i suppose it means nothing. :huhMaybe you re being abstract , i get it, donald trump has more money than me but im richer than him... :thumbsup
Do you have a problem with reading? The 4 players below him would have kicked more goals than him if they had played as many games. I guess every forward that kicked more than 27 goals in 95 is better than Rick.
Chaps left because we sounded him out earlier in the season and put a very good proposal to him. Port are no good and will need to rebuild. Tiges are finals bound and on the up. No brainer why he left really. iirc Port fought pretty hard to keep him but he'd made up his mind and wanted to leave. Port have no money and will need to invest in juniors.
He's known to be very vocal and a general of the backline, he is a great match up for mobile forwards as he reads the play really well. He is a very good kick and makes good decisions.. He is one of the leading backman in the comp.
Look to be honest i wouldn't say he's an A grader as such, but he is an A grade backman
Port didn't fight hard to keep him at all. They could have easily matched our offer. You'll find that they don't really mind that he is gone. Carlile and Trengove are better players and they've got in a young kid from GWS who will play 3rd tall. Looking for the future instead of relying on a guy who has proven he will probably never play at the same standard each week. Obviously we think different so hopefully he plays a big part in our push for finals. Not anywhere near A grade at anything though. I don't think you've ever seen him play if you think "he's a very good kick and makes good decisions". And a leading defender of the comp? You've described a Presti that can kick in your post
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I really believe Martin can be an A grade player. He clearly has the potential to be one. I hope this season he puts in the effort and is rewarded for his efforts.
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Their leadership group was Cassisi, Boak, Hartlett, Schulz & Trengove. Chaplin no where near it. In fact, he may have even been removed after the 2010 season. But either way, he was not in their 2012 group. What reports have said he was in the LG last year?
IIRC the media reports when he was looking at leaving via FA - sure all of them said he was in the Power's leadership group
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Coach come on you need to get facts right
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/more-news/port-adelaide-announces-seven-man-leadership-group-for-2011/story-e6frf9jf-1225963417978
The pair are joined in the Power’s leadership group by captain Dom Cassisi, Dean Brogan, Troy Chaplin, Alipate Carlile and Travis Boak.
Just a quote from the article,,
As far as not fighting hard they held out till the last day before letting him go. They tried everything. Then when he did leave they came out and said he had a very bad knee and they had a very good offer in front of him all season but he woudnt budge on it (wanted to leave)
meh you're just arguing for the sake of it, Presti?? ffs a dinosaur that wouldnt get a game these days. i agree with you on the wait and see. He did have surgery so he could go either way. Good or bad. we'll wait and see
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Yeah that's their 2011 Leadership Group, guy. Did Dean Brogan play for Port in 2012? :lol Don't tell me to get facts right when you have probably seen this guy play once or twice :lol
Hahahahahaha they tried everything. They have plenty of room in their cap (I know this for a fact so don't even try) and they could have easily matched our offer. They didn't match it because they know he's not someone who can be relied upon to play consistently well all season. Sure, they'd be happy to still have him on their list but not on a 4 year deal because they have players who will be better than he is in a couple of years.
Presti wouldn't get a game. I have heard it all now. Troy Chaplin is a better player than Presti was. You have talked Chaplin up as an A grade defender with great leadership, very good kicking and decision making. Like I said, we must have a Presti that can kick and win plenty of footy
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Port was on the edge of their cap Coach, which was why they were happy to offload the Chapstick
This is a fact.
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That's not true and you know it.
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No, "We have historically run pretty close to the limit, we have actually got some space now given we traded out quite a bit of experience last year" CEO Ken Thomas
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No, "We have historically run pretty close to the limit, we have actually got some space now given we traded out quite a bit of experience last year" CEO Ken Thomas
;D
Historically doesn't mean 2013. They have space in their cap and could have easily matched our offer. Your quote proves that
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No, "We have historically run pretty close to the limit, we have actually got some space now given we traded out quite a bit of experience last year" CEO Ken Thomas
;D
Historically doesn't mean 2013. They have space in their cap and could have easily matched our offer. Your quote proves that
Having space in their cap doesn't necessarily equate to being able to match our offer. The club is in dire financial straits and can't afford to spend the whole cap even if it wanted too.
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No, "We have historically run pretty close to the limit, we have actually got some space now given we traded out quite a bit of experience last year" CEO Ken Thomas
;D
Historically doesn't mean 2013. They have space in their cap and could have easily matched our offer. Your quote proves that
Having space in their cap doesn't necessarily equate to being able to match our offer. The club is in dire financial straits and can't afford to spend the whole cap even if it wanted too.
Oh, but they have been paying close to the limit historically. ;) They could have matched the offer. I reckon they could fork out 1.2 mil over 4 years.
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they were close to the edge yes?
they were happy to offload chappy to get some wriggle room yes?
what dont you get here coach?
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what dont you get here coach?
I don't get why you offload an A grade defender with great leadership, skills & decision making when you can easily match the offer due to offloading Pearcey's, Surjan's and Salopek's contracts. That offer could have been matched easily. You know it, I know it. So why didn't they want to keep Mr A Grade?
You have disappointed me, Greg. I thought you knew me better after 20 stuffen years
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because he's not A-grade you :wallywink
show me where I said that moron
the geniuses down at Alberton thought they'd spend his salary on an A-grader in Monfries :whistle
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because he's not A-grade you :wallywink
What? Since when >:( >:(
show me where I said that moron
:banghead
the geniuses down at Alberton thought they'd spend his salary on an A-grader in Monfries :whistle
;D
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A graders dont sook.
End of story
Richo was a sook Nathan Buckley was a sook.... John McEnroe was a effing sook
all a graders
jack has 2 Coleman medals in an era where there is flooding... he is an A grader
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Rivaldo was a sook.
Nick Riewoldt.
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Plenty of A graders that are sooks out there
Sam Mitchell
Goodesy
Marc Murphy
Stevie J
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Plenty of A graders that are sooks out there
Sam Mitchell
Goodesy
Marc Murphy
Stevie J
The 2nd one listed is probably one of the biggest IMHO
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Yeah that's their 2011 Leadership Group, guy. Did Dean Brogan play for Port in 2012? :lol Don't tell me to get facts right when you have probably seen this guy play once or twice :lol
Hahahahahaha they tried everything. They have plenty of room in their cap (I know this for a fact so don't even try) and they could have easily matched our offer. They didn't match it because they know he's not someone who can be relied upon to play consistently well all season. Sure, they'd be happy to still have him on their list but not on a 4 year deal because they have players who will be better than he is in a couple of years.
Presti wouldn't get a game. I have heard it all now. Troy Chaplin is a better player than Presti was. You have talked Chaplin up as an A grade defender with great leadership, very good kicking and decision making. Like I said, we must have a Presti that can kick and win plenty of footy
:rollin :clapping 2011 doesnt count?? ffs put your brain in your skull
Seen him play plenty. i like him and think he's a very good player.. i hope i get an apology during the season and if he doesnt come up i will gladly admit when im wrong about something.. But i know even when you see evidence, you wont admit your erroneous thought processes
i say Presti wont get a game these days because the game has changed a lot from Presti's days. Presti was a good player and i know Richo rated him his toughest opponent but he wasn't the quickest and was a one dimensional man on man player.. There's not many of those guys left.. Is there!
Chaplin has finished top 5 in Ports B&F the past 4 years, how many did Presti? 1 or 2 at most. And please dont come back with Port are a rabble, Presti played in plenty off poo pies sides.. Presti hardly got 10 possessions a game, Chaplin regularly gets 20+ its a pointless exercise comparing different eras. but there's a couple of comparisons for ya!
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group?
Can you read, Bengimp? The talking point was the fact he got removed from the Leadership group last year. It wasn't "Was Chappy ever in their LG"
Yeah if you think Chaplin is a great player based on his last 4 years then you will definitely still think he is great when he struts out for us. Some others might too. haha Presti barely got a kick and Chaplin gets 20+ regularly :lol An average of 15 touches a game for a bloke who plays loose isn't something I'd be bragging about. I never said Chappy couldn't play but you're talking poo when you say he's an A Grade player. Absolute poo
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Cho rated Max Hudghton his toughest opponent
just sayin
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group?
Can you read, Bengimp? The talking point was the fact he got removed from the Leadership group last year. It wasn't "Was Chappy ever in their LG"
Yeah if you think Chaplin is a great player based on his last 4 years then you will definitely still think he is great when he struts out for us. Some others might too. haha Presti barely got a kick and Chaplin gets 20+ regularly :lol An average of 15 touches a game for a bloke who plays loose isn't something I'd be bragging about. I never said Chappy couldn't play but you're talking poo when you say he's an A Grade player. Absolute poo
i'll take this as you think he CAN play, at least you admit that.. :clapping So when you were looking up Chaps avg, which i might add is 16.5, did you also look at Presti's impressive 7.2 avg :o
i also said in a previous post that he's not an A grader as such, but he is an A grade backman!
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Cho rated Max Hudghton his toughest opponent
just sayin
Cool, i thought i had heard somewhere he said it was Presti.. Probably said when he retired as a good will gesture..
Anyway im over this debate.. If his knee is ok, Chaps will be a top player for us
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I certainly think he will be better than Moore, McGuane, Miller, Post etc
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but that could be C grade and up
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indeed alan, indeed 8)
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group?
Can you read, Bengimp? The talking point was the fact he got removed from the Leadership group last year. It wasn't "Was Chappy ever in their LG"
Yeah if you think Chaplin is a great player based on his last 4 years then you will definitely still think he is great when he struts out for us. Some others might too. haha Presti barely got a kick and Chaplin gets 20+ regularly :lol An average of 15 touches a game for a bloke who plays loose isn't something I'd be bragging about. I never said Chappy couldn't play but you're talking poo when you say he's an A Grade player. Absolute poo
i'll take this as you think he CAN play, at least you admit that.. :clapping So when you were looking up Chaps avg, which i might add is 16.5, did you also look at Presti's impressive 7.2 avg :o
i also said in a previous post that he's not an A grader as such, but he is an A grade backman!
No Chappy averaged 15 touches last year in his quality, high finish in B&F season. I do think he can play. That's not the issue. There are other issues. I'll let you and others figure that out once you've seen him play a season of football. He'll fill a role but he ain't near the gun you make him out to be. I disagree that he's an A Grade defender. Spends more time manning space than an opponent.
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Why would a poor side like Port let an A grade defender with great leadership leave for free? And why would someone with great leadership lose his spot in the leadership group?
Can you read, Bengimp? The talking point was the fact he got removed from the Leadership group last year. It wasn't "Was Chappy ever in their LG"
Yeah if you think Chaplin is a great player based on his last 4 years then you will definitely still think he is great when he struts out for us. Some others might too. haha Presti barely got a kick and Chaplin gets 20+ regularly :lol An average of 15 touches a game for a bloke who plays loose isn't something I'd be bragging about. I never said Chappy couldn't play but you're talking poo when you say he's an A Grade player. Absolute poo
i'll take this as you think he CAN play, at least you admit that.. :clapping So when you were looking up Chaps avg, which i might add is 16.5, did you also look at Presti's impressive 7.2 avg :o
i also said in a previous post that he's not an A grader as such, but he is an A grade backman!
No Chappy averaged 15 touches last year in his quality, high finish in B&F season. I do think he can play. That's not the issue. There are other issues. I'll let you and others figure that out once you've seen him play a season of football. He'll fill a role but he ain't near the gun you make him out to be. I disagree that he's an A Grade defender. Spends more time manning space than an opponent.
Was quoting their respective career averages
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No Chappy averaged 15 touches last year in his quality, high finish in B&F season. I do think he can play. That's not the issue. There are other issues. I'll let you and others figure that out once you've seen him play a season of football. He'll fill a role but he ain't near the gun you make him out to be. I disagree that he's an A Grade defender. Spends more time manning space than an opponent.
Serious question Coach, not having a dig - would you say he is more like a Maxwell or Gibson type that fills a space and gets over to help out where needed?
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No Chappy averaged 15 touches last year in his quality, high finish in B&F season. I do think he can play. That's not the issue. There are other issues. I'll let you and others figure that out once you've seen him play a season of football. He'll fill a role but he ain't near the gun you make him out to be. I disagree that he's an A Grade defender. Spends more time manning space than an opponent.
Serious question Coach, not having a dig - would you say he is more like a Maxwell or Gibson type that fills a space and gets over to help out where needed?
Yep, he has played that role more often than not in the last 4 years. Occasionally he'll play on someone for 4 quarters. That clip of him from OWAAT shows him playing half back on Goddard. Pretty strange to not have him on Riewoldt, isn't it? Because I thought Chaplin "played on the monsters". He is capable of playing KP but I can't say I've seen him consistently shut down a good CHF or FF. Mainly because he rarely plays there and also because he's not an A grade defender like Bengal claims. Can play the game and will hopefully be a solid inclusion but I think people are expecting a bit much. Has a massive tendency to duck his head as well. Nearly all Port fans are happy to see the back of him...Some might be bitter but not all.
I speak some poo from time to time but I've been watching him for a long time. The comments on him from some Richmond supporters have me stuffed. It would be like us trading Jackson and then reading on the other clubs forum how classy, skillful and disciplined he is.
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It would be like us trading Jackson and then reading on the other clubs forum how classy, skillful and disciplined he is.
That analogy has me laughing and trembling at the same time!! :help
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I speak some poo from time to time but I've been watching him for a long time. The comments on him from some Richmond supporters have me stuffed. It would be like us trading Jackson and then reading on the other clubs forum how classy, skillful and disciplined he is.
Yep, totally agree Coach.
Thought years ago we should have traded out Schulz for Chaplin when Jay was under pressure about the TAC sponsorship loss.
Just seemed a natural of two guys, same sort of value, going home.
However after watching Troy more closely while Jay was still with us and afterwards I came to the strong opinion he wasn't that flash.
Certainly not a key defender to take the big forward which has been mostly promoted on PRE.
In most cases Port have actually hidden Troy away from the big forwards when possible. Just IMO though. We'll soon find out.
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where does this view Chaplin will take the gorilla forwards come from?
Is it something the club has said is just just a collective circle jerk from the uninformed masses.
I found the comments from the bloke who does the AFL Prospectus interesting.
He said chaplain was a very good intercept mark and expects him to play largely the third man up role ( which is what coach says he plays for Port), and even twittered that he believes Chaplin could lead the comp for intercept marks this year.
Doesn't sound like the bloke to take on the gorilla forwards to me, but perhaps the club believe he can do so? Time will tell I suppose.
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where does this view Chaplin will take the gorilla forwards come from?
Is it something the club has said is just just a collective circle jerk from the uninformed masses.
I found the comments from the bloke who does the AFL Prospectus interesting.
He said chaplain was a very good intercept mark and expects him to play largely the third man up role ( which is what coach says he plays for Port), and even twittered that he believes Chaplin could lead the comp for intercept marks this year.
Doesn't sound like the bloke to take on the gorilla forwards to me, but perhaps the club believe he can do so? Time will tell I suppose.
I got the impression it was to bolster the starting back talls and give us some more flexibility. Rance goes all right on the forwards who want to go for a run but gets stitched up by the blokes that want a wrestle. With a fit Rance, Chaplin, and Grimes is sounds like we can just shop them around forwards that suit their strengths.
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where does this view Chaplin will take the gorilla forwards come from?
Is it something the club has said is just just a collective circle jerk from the uninformed masses.
I found the comments from the bloke who does the AFL Prospectus interesting.
He said chaplain was a very good intercept mark and expects him to play largely the third man up role ( which is what coach says he plays for Port), and even twittered that he believes Chaplin could lead the comp for intercept marks this year.
Doesn't sound like the bloke to take on the gorilla forwards to me, but perhaps the club believe he can do so? Time will tell I suppose.
Not sure what the club has said about Chaplin as I rarely pay attention to what they say in public. Apart from Club80. I could tell you loads of really cool things but I am sworn to secrecy :shh A lot of Richmond fans seem to have the idea he will be lining up at full back to ease the pressure on Rancey. You just have to look at the "best 22" type threads, every man and his dog has Chaplin at full back. Saw a big footy poster get set upon because he said Chaplin was an average player who struggled on good key forwards. Our very own BJ was involved, talking up Chappy as a gun defender.
where does this view Chaplin will take the gorilla forwards come from?
Is it something the club has said is just just a collective circle jerk from the uninformed masses.
I found the comments from the bloke who does the AFL Prospectus interesting.
He said chaplain was a very good intercept mark and expects him to play largely the third man up role ( which is what coach says he plays for Port), and even twittered that he believes Chaplin could lead the comp for intercept marks this year.
Doesn't sound like the bloke to take on the gorilla forwards to me, but perhaps the club believe he can do so? Time will tell I suppose.
I got the impression it was to bolster the starting back talls and give us some more flexibility. Rance goes all right on the forwards who want to go for a run but gets stitched up by the blokes that want a wrestle. With a fit Rance, Chaplin, and Grimes is sounds like we can just shop them around forwards that suit their strengths.
Exactly. And as we got him for free I don't have a problem with the signing (although 4 years is ridiculous IMO).
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Craig Cameron barely had any input into that deal coach and you know it, he can't be blamed for what Chappy's manager put forward
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Craig Cameron barely had any input into that deal coach and you know it, he can't be blamed for what Chappy's manager put forward
:lol
;)
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Even if he does play 3rd or 2nd tall at a decent level I'd be happy cause that means someone should be able to give Rance a chop out, which we lost when Grimes went down.
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Looking for a comment about Chaplin playing on the gorilla forwards, the only one I could find was this from Rance:
“I wouldn’t have thought it would change too many roles, but it’s an added bonus . . . it will give us that option of playing the bigger-bodied player (on certain opponents).”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-10-05/rance-happy-with-chappy.default?
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yep im not sure where this came from either.. he's not a Presti :whistle type. He's definately a Gibson type.
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Looking for a comment about Chaplin playing on the gorilla forwards, the only one I could find was this from Rance:
“I wouldn’t have thought it would change too many roles, but it’s an added bonus . . . it will give us that option of playing the bigger-bodied player (on certain opponents).”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2012-10-05/rance-happy-with-chappy.default?
Couldve sworn Ive heard Dimma and co mention in interviews (sen) that he will release Rance.