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VFL ROUND 6
Werribee Tigers (1-4, 13th) vs Coburg Tigers (2-3, 11th)
Saturday, 18th May @ Avalon Airport Oval (Chirnside Park), Werribee
Development: 11:00 AM
Seniors: 2:00 PM
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Coburg seniors squad:
B: Batchelor Darrou Helbig
HB: Astbury Dea Griffiths
C: Arnot Venditti McDonough
HF: A. Edwards McBean Verrier
F: Carnell Stephenson White
R: Vickery Nahas Lonergan
Int: Derickx, Robertella, Simon, A. Saad*, Clifton, Elton, Iudica, Uysal, Abdallah, McIntosh, N. Maric
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Full time in development. No RFC players in this one.
Coburg 11.7.73
Werribee 14.21.105
6 goals to vesnaver in the loss. Yelland with 2, Quinn, Saad and Thomas with 1.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=491341567587706&id=172400646148468
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Time on in first quarter seniors. Werribee got the jump but Coburg has kicked the last two.
Coburg 3.2-20
Werribee 5.2-32
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Margin back out to 18 in favour of Werribee.
McDonough has kicked two so far for Coburg.
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Werribee kicked the last 4 goals of the term to blow the margin out to 38 pts :P.
Quarter time
Coburg 3.3-21
Werribee 9.5-59
Goals: McDonough 2, Clifton
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From BF:
Very sloppy down back lots of turnovers.
Griffiths Derickx doing well in the ruck, but we are getting smashed out of the middle. Warren tearing us a new one.... Astbury getting plenty down back.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/vs-werribee-saturday-werribee.1006232/page-2
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Arnot not playing for Coburg.
Elton is playing down back. Made a couple of blues.
Coburg finally get a goal (Griffiths now up forward). Trail by 50.
27 - 77
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Margin back out to 18 in favour of Werribee.
McDonough has kicked two so far for Coburg.
get him in the ones and get nahas out ;D
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Coburg have at least stemmed the Werribee goal onslaught.
Goal to Coburg (Clifton). BF saying Elton now doing well in defence (4 contested marks).
Coburg 5.4-34
Werribee 12.6-78
18 mins Q2
Dark clouds approaching according to Werribee twitter.
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Another goal to us. McBean gets his first.
40 - 78
21 mins Q2
The rain is coming.
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Carnell makes it 3 in row but Werribee kick the next two in a row themselves to stop Coburg's run.
Coburg 7.4-46
Werribee 14.6-90
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Repeat of the first qtr. Werribee kicked the first few, Coburg responded with a couple in a row before Werribee banged on a few more in time-on to blow out the margin again.
Half-time
Coburg 3.3 7.4-46
Werribee 9.3 15.6-96
Goals: McDonough 2, Clifton 2, Griffiths, McBean, Carnell
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From BF:
Mcbean when given the chance looks lively
Elton strong strong hands.
Derickx doing well in the ruck
Lonergan is trying his heart out. Looks a little slow though.
Edwards very quite. 1 behind very few possessions.
Elton Astbury Griffiths McDonough Lonergan doing ok, McIntosh was given a touch up by Warren. The Coburg listed players just aren't good enough in the main to give us much support.
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/vs-werribee-saturday-werribee.1006232/page-3#post-28289409
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From twitter:
@puntrdend17 - "Coburg down by 50 and Griffiths now playing lose man down back!!!! Elton going ok. Edwards rarely seen. Werribee far to good in first half"
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From twitter:
@puntrdend17 - "Coburg down by 50 and Griffiths now playing lose man down back!!!! Elton going ok. Edwards rarely seen. Werribee far to good in first half"
And some people want him playing seniors just ask '65. :lol
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In fairness the ball has spent most of the time in Werribee's forward half.
3rd qtr has started and Werribee has already banged on 3 goals. This could blow out to 100 pts :help.
Coburg 7.4-46
Werribee 18.7-115
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85 pts down midway 3rd qtr. Six goals to nil this qtr :-X.
Coburg 7.7-49
Werribee 21.8-134
Our own stand alone VFL side can't come quick enough. As soon as Coburg doesn't contain mostly RFC players in their side they become totally uncompetitive. The Coburg-listed players aren't VFL standard.
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Yeah Coburg kicked a goal ;D. Broke a run of about 10 goals to Werribee. McBean with his 2nd.
55 - 146
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To have two 100+ point losses is disgraceful!
:banghead
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3/4 time.
Coburg 3.3 7.4 8.7-55
Werribee 9.3 15.6 23.8-146
Goals: McDonough 2, McBean 2, Clifton 2, Griffiths, Carnell
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To have two 100+ point losses is disgraceful!
:banghead
Not 100 yet flash. :shh
I thought with our perceived depth we would be more competitive at times this year with Coburg.
Questions I would like to raise is whether our perceived depth is a myth and we are still weak at the lower end of our list and the kids are not coming on as we would like or with our reserves reverting to the Richmond Footy Club and not Coburg are the players and the club just not giving a stuff and politically internally it is reflecting with the on field results due to lack of resources which rightly so should go to Richmond because I am a Richmond supporter not a Coburg one.
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Az Edwards with his first of the day to start the last qtr.
Coburg 9.7-61
Werribee 23.8-146
3 mins Q4
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From twitter:
Paul Ager @RT_73 - "@Tigers_of_Old @ttmac_ @puntrdend17 Griff arguably best for Coburg today"
Saad kicks another for Coburg. Maybe Werribee are switching off.
67 - 146
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To have two 100+ point losses is disgraceful!
:banghead
Not 100 yet flash. :shh
I thought with our perceived depth we would be more competitive at times this year with Coburg.
Questions I would like to raise is whether our perceived depth is a myth and we are still weak at the lower end of our list and the kids are not coming on as we would like or with our reserves reverting to the Richmond Footy Club and not Coburg are the players and the club just not giving a stuff and politically internally it is reflecting with the on field results due to lack of resources which rightly so should go to Richmond because I am a Richmond supporter not a Coburg one.
the depth is for richmond not coburg.
As our depth players move up then coburg are losing their better players
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Coburg at least playing out the game. Ball has hardly been in Coburg's defence so far this qtr which makes a 180 degree change from the first 3 qtrs.
73 - 147
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To have two 100+ point losses is disgraceful!
:banghead
Not 100 yet flash. :shh
I thought with our perceived depth we would be more competitive at times this year with Coburg.
Questions I would like to raise is whether our perceived depth is a myth and we are still weak at the lower end of our list and the kids are not coming on as we would like or with our reserves reverting to the Richmond Footy Club and not Coburg are the players and the club just not giving a stuff and politically internally it is reflecting with the on field results due to lack of resources which rightly so should go to Richmond because I am a Richmond supporter not a Coburg one.
the depth is for richmond not coburg.
As our depth players move up then coburg are losing their better players
I know they are our players Al but Coburg are still having some heavy losses as was the case last year.
Blokes like Astbury Griffiths Dea Arnot Elton etc should be pushing for senior selection and add blokes like Edwards who we recruited as back up and the revolving door of Whites, Nahas etc can certainly give Coburg some extra oomph which bodes well for Richmond by adding depth but lamentably it seems that consistency with some blokes is lacking whether they play for RFC or Coburg.
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20 Richmond listed players from Thursday's selected team and even if a few play tomorrow against the fairies that still leaves about 15 RFC listed players for Coburg Al. :thumbsup
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Werribee has woken up again. Margin back out to 89.
Coburg 12.11-83
Werribee 27.10-172
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20 Richmond listed players from Thursday's selected team and even if a few play tomorrow against the fairies that still leaves about 15 RFC listed players for Coburg Al. :thumbsup
Shocking!
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And that's the final score:
Full time.
Coburg 3.3 7.4 8.7 12.11-83
Werribee 9.3 15.6 23.8 27.10-172
Goals: McDonough 3, McBean 2, Clifton 2, A.Edwards, Griffiths, Carnell, Saad, Abdallah
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20 Richmond listed players from Thursday's selected team and even if a few play tomorrow against the fairies that still leaves about 15 RFC listed players for Coburg Al. :thumbsup
yeah, but when they talk about increased depth they mean for richmond.
injuries to senior players will hurt coburg more because it is the better performing players that they lose.
our depth, or lack of it, is measured by our senior team's performance when injuries hit, not coburgs.
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2013 Peter Jackson VFL
Werribee Tigers 9.3 15.6 23.8 27.10 (172)
Coburg Tigers 3.3 7.4 8.7 12.11 (83)
GOALS:
Werribee Tigers: Brown 5 Warren 5 Clouston 3 Maric 3 Gysberts 2 Meredith Moore Graham Wood Harper Martiniello McGenniss Ross Keras
Coburg Tigers: McDONOUGH 3 McBean 2 Clifton 2 Carnell Saad A.Edwards Griffiths Abdallah
BEST:
Werribee Tigers: Moore Greenwood Brown Kennedy Gysberts Warren
Coburg Tigers: Clifton Venditti Lonergan Carnell Darrou McDONOUGH
https://reg.sportingpulse.com/olr_v5/rpt_progressive.cgi?aID=4138&pg=1&a=MR
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Dont know how Darrou got in the bests, was woeful & thats being nice
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Here's a write up of the game and each RFC player by RT on BF:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/vs-werribee-saturday-werribee.1006232/page-4#post-28293889
Dont know how Darrou got in the bests, was woeful & thats being nice
Did you go today taz? If so who did you think was in the bests?
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Here's a write up of the game and each RFC player by RT on BF:
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/vs-werribee-saturday-werribee.1006232/page-4#post-28293889
Dont know how Darrou got in the bests, was woeful & thats being nice
Did you go today taz? If so who did you think was in the bests?
Yes mate I went, my bests were Matty Mcdonough & Elton ,Lonergan was ok, Nick Carnell hurt & turned over a few but was ok,Griff & Astbury were meh, Derrickx battled it out, Nick Maric reasonable,Beano tried,missed a sitter & turned at least one over
Bad day all round
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I've been saying it for a while. Elton can be made into a very good backman.
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I've been saying it for a while. Elton can be made into a very good backman.
Oh boy yea why not turn another prodigious talent into a defender, has worked with griff ::)
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20 Richmond listed players from Thursday's selected team and even if a few play tomorrow against the fairies that still leaves about 15 RFC listed players for Coburg Al. :thumbsup
yeah, but when they talk about increased depth they mean for richmond.
injuries to senior players will hurt coburg more because it is the better performing players that they lose.
our depth, or lack of it, is measured by our senior team's performance when injuries hit, not coburgs.
I agree but there were still 15 RFC listed players playing at least playing for Coburg in their 15 goal loss today. 20 were named in the side on Thursday at least about 15-18 RFC listed players ran out for Coburg today that's a large percentage we are not at the epidemic proportions of June July last year when injuries ravaged the RFC and were we're calling on blokes like White McGuane Derickx and co to front up for RFC leaving Coburg's stocks threadbare hence the blowouts last year due to lack of personnel.
This year the injuries for RFC have not been as plentiful thankfully therefore RFC listed players have been able to front up for Coburg leaving them stronger on field one would think or so we thought. That is the second blowout this year. All I am saying is the RFC depth may not be as strong as we think or were lauding given some of the results for Coburg this year. Fair question I would think despite some RFC players pressing for selection in the last few weeks. :shh
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Is not freakin depth, it's options.
Our so called depth players wouldn't get a game in most AFL teams first chosen 22 or 26 for that.
However, they are seasoned, afl size and can step in which avoids our younger players being exposed too early.
Teams like Hawthorn, Geelong and Collingwood have depth, we have options that are not necessarily good enough to play consistently at AFL level.
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Coburg are crap. Not long to go now until we have the tiger reserves
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Insipid effort at best , Richmond cant afford any more injuries no one you could even think of promoting on that pathetic effort didn't seem to be many who wanted the hard ball.
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MATCH REPORT vs Werribee (Round 6)
Coburg website
Monday, 20 May 2013
Coburg suffered a big loss to the Werribee Tigers on Saturday at Avalon Airport Oval. With both teams struggling to find consistent form early in the season, it promised to be a tight encounter, so it was a surprise for many when Werribee were able to come out on top by 91 points.
The first quarter set the scene for the day in many ways. Werribee took control in the center, Coburg not helped by the fact that in form Orren Stephenson had been called up to the AFL to honor his dominant start to the season. As well as winning the mid-field battle, Werribee's forward line were functioning like a well oiled machine, their big men clunking big marks or breaking packs for the small forwards, who were taking full advantage. Coburg had scarce chances and went in to the first break 6 goals down. McDonough was the shining light for Coburg, showing clean first use and making the most of limited opportunity to kick 2 goals for the quarter.
Coburg showed much more positive signs at the beginning of the second quarter. Winning more ball through the middle, they were giving their forwards a much better chance to get in to the game. At one stage, after captain Nick Carnell slotted through his only goal for the day, Coburg were within 20 points and looked as if they were going to make a real contest. Werribee managed to hit back with a few quick goals towards the end of the term however, and went in to half time leading by 50 points. Key forwards Edwards and McBean were kept very quiet for the half, only kicking 1 goal between them.
Any hope held by Coburg players and fans quickly vanished in the third quarter. Werribee took full control of the match, barely letting Coburg inside their forward 50. The result was an 8 goal to 1 quarter, and a 91 point deficit going in to the last change.
It could have been expected that Coburg would drop their heads in the final quarter of a very tough day, but to the players credit they mustered up some effort and put in their best performance of the match. Edwards finally got his hands on the ball and managed to kick his only goal, and the exciting Adam Saad looked much more promising after struggling in the first half. McDonough added to his goal tally, kicking his third towards the end of the term to finalise an impressive individual performance. The result of this improvement was 4 goals a piece for the quarter, with the margin remaining at 91 points at the end of the day.
Arnott, Nahas, Dea and Stephenson were all missing after having played most of the season for Coburg, and this took a lot of grunt out of their run through the middle - being somewhat a catalyst for the defeat.
Werribee 27.10.172
Coburg 12.11.83
Goals: McDonough 3, Clifton, Mcbean 2, Edwards, Griffiths, Carnell, Saad, Abdallah 1.
Best: McDonough, Darrou, Carnell, Lonergan, Venditti, Clifton.
The Coburg development squad also went down by 32 points earlier in the day. Vesnaver kicked 6 goals in the loss, but ultimately it was a disappointing weekend for the club.
http://www.sportingpulse.com/club_info.cgi?client=1-118-10471-0-18717695&sID=56260&&news_task=DETAIL&articleID=23700718
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VIDEO: Coburg 'highlights' from the weekend .....
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2013-05-21/coburg-highlights-round-6
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Coburg stats from the weekend:
Lonergan 20d 19k 1h 2m 7t 2b ........ named 3rd best for Coburg
Astbury 17d 15k 2h 8m 1t
Elton 16d 11k 5h 6m 4t
McDonough 13d 9k 4h 4m 5t 3g ............ named 6th best for Coburg
McBean 13d 9k 4h 5m 5t 5ho 2g 1b
A.Edwards 13d 8k 5h 4m 1t 1g
Darrou 12d 10k 2h 6m 1t ............................ named 5th best for Coburg
McIntosh 11d 7k 4h 2m 2t
Verrier 10d 7k 3h 1m 2t
Helbig 9d 3k 6h 1m 5t
Griffiths 8d 4k 4h 3m 1t 7ho 1g
Derickx 7d 6k 1h 3m 2t 37ho
Simon 7d 3k 4h 2m 1t 1b
http://www.sportingpulse.com/round_info.cgi?a=MATCH&fixture=123978256&c=1-118-0-253880-0&pool=1
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Great that Elton, McDonough and McBean are not only racking up good disposal numbers but have good tackling numbers too. Dimma will like that, I'm sure.
On the other hand, Griffiths with 8 touches, 3 marks and 1 tackle looks pretty disappointing on paper.
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Coburg coach Tim Clarke's summary of how the Richmond-listed players performed for Coburg last Saturday:
David Astbury
Played on a smaller forward as part of his development. Was a reasonable performer, considering the amount of inside-50 entries the opposition had. Still needs to use the ball better, however.
Ben Darrou
Defended okay for most of the match, but was beaten by his opponent. Not as busy offensively as he had been in other games this season.
Tom Derickx
His ruckwork was good and he continues to show improvement. But was inconsistent in terms of his work around the ground.
Aaron Edwards
Fought well up forward considering the lack of opportunities that came his way on the day. Displayed an admirable work ethic.
Todd Elton
Had some good contests, playing on one of Werribee’s key forwards. Still needs to work on his defensive positioning, however, to become an AFL-standard backman.
Ben Griffiths
Started forward and later spent some time down back. Took a few good marks, but, overall, did not have enough involvement in the match.
Brad Helbig
Played through the midfield for the majority of the game. Was hard inside and around the stoppages, however, didn’t have as much impact as he’d had previously.
Sam Lonergan
Contested football was a highlight of his performance. Had 20 disposals, including 11 clearances, and six tackles, to be one of our better players on the day.
Liam McBean
Had a solid scoreboard involvement with two goals. Worked hard throughout, despite the limited opportunities he received as a forward. Continues to improve his contested work.
Matt McDonough
Played midfield/ forward, kicked three goals, and applied plenty of forward pressure, with six tackles. Intensity at the ball, and opponent, continues to be a real feature of his game.
Kamdyn McIntosh
Was moved around a bit, due to the fact we lost a defender. Played a defensive role, initially, before being moved to a wing as part of his development. His involvement was lower than expected.
Gideon Simon
His pressure around the ball was good, but he needs more involvement to maintain a senior VFL position.
Steve Verrier
Also was shuffled around the field early, playing wing and half-back. Looked okay in patches, however, his overall involvement was lower than expected.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-05-22/coburg-report-round-6
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Involement lower than expected means you were poo and would be playing 3rds if Coburg had anything resembling a park level footballer rather than an Auskick kid.
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McDonough and McBean look ready made players of the future. I hope Edwards gets a gig soon