One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Yeahright on May 22, 2013, 08:37:10 PM
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http://m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/flag-and-im-done-cotchin-20130522-2k1a0.html
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Not a very bright thing to have said i wouldn't think especially being the captain also.
My question is does he really want to be playing the game. We certainly don't need a captain or player for that matter that whose heart isn't in it.
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Oh no he didn't
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Trade the prick.
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We certainly don't need a captain or player for that matter that whose heart isn't in it.
Think if winning a premiership is a reason his playing, then I'd say his heart is in it as much if not more than other players. It's either money or premierships
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I read the article also. Will reserve judgement until i read the whole lot, not just selected excerpts from a book as it may be taken out of context.
If quoted in context then i find it puzzling for him to say that. I would take a flag in the next three years even Cotch does retire.
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Must be the missers pulling the strings
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Reckon might be a ploy. Something to do with his contract.
Realistically what is more likely to happen.
Cotchin playing through his career till he retires at 30 something with some finals but nothing substantial from a club perspective or
We win a flag by 2017/18 and the kid retires at 28.
I am sure the kid will be with us for a long time and the kid is giving other clubs food for thought to not consider him based on these comments as he wishes to remain a one club player.
Why retire at the peak of your powers?
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If he leads us to a flag inside 3 years then Id be happy for him to call it a day and move on in his life if thats what he wants to do but I get the feeling that if holds up the tin mug once on the last day of September that he will get the burning desire to hold it up for a 2nd or even 3rd time.
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Full article as it appears right now on the Age
Flag and I'm done: Cotchin
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May 23, 2013
Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age
A Richmond premiership in the next few years would prompt Trent Cotchin to consider retirement, even if only in his mid-20s.
While determined to help shape the Tigers into a successful side and close to signing a new contract, Cotchin has spoken candidly of the enormous physical effort it takes to play in the AFL, and his doubts that his body will be up to a long career
The 23-year-old was challenged by injury during his first few years at Richmond, an experience that made him think more about the life he wanted to build outside football, and he has never really enjoyed the all-consuming nature of the football scene.
''I love footy and I love how it challenges you in some way, every single day. I love trying to help the team any way I can and I love how it helps you meet people and learn all sorts of things you wouldn't have been exposed to,'' Cotchin said. ''But I'm looking forward to it being over as well. I reckon if we won a premiership in the next three years I'd pretty much be done.''
Cotchin reflected on the first five years of his career in the updated edition of The Draft, a book that followed him, Cyril Rioli, Ben McEvoy, Brad Ebert and Patrick Veszpremi through their final season of junior football in 2007.
The Tigers' pick at No. 2, he was placed on the long-term injury list soon after arriving at the club. Despite making a 17-game debut in 2008, persistent problems with both Achilles made him question his resilience.
It took more than two years for him to play pain-free, and that experience is one of the reasons he is an advocate for shorter pre-seasons, believing the physical and mental demands of today's players do not encourage long careers.
''It was horrible … when I got there it was football, football, football and pretty much from day one I was doubting myself and whether I'd be able to play the game or perform like I wanted to,'' Cotchin said. ''I wasn't able to train like I needed to train, let alone play, so I didn't know if I was going to be physically up to it and the game changed for me then. It made me think, maybe it's not healthy to only be about footy.''
Rioli was drafted by Hawthorn at No. 12 in 2007, and in the book reveals his frustration at playing poorly in last year's grand final. The youngest member of Hawthorn's 2008 premiership side, Rioli was well held by Nick Smith against the Swans.
''I was trying to drive myself but I think I sort of turned my toes up. I didn't leave any regrets out there but I let my head drop, because it just wasn't happening. Nothing worked,'' he said.
''It hurts a lot and the only thing that gets you through is that there are a lot worse things that happen in life. But it's driven me, ever since. It's pretty much what's pushing me along, wanting to get back there again soon.''
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/flag-and-im-done-cotchin-20130522-2k1a0.html#ixzz2U1JhmfX6
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"Would consider" is not exactly saying "I'm done"
::)
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There is also a 2nd article which is more about Emma's book but focuses on Cotch
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Turning their fields of dreams into reality
Date
May 23, 2013
Emma Quayle
Football writer with The Age
For five young guns, there has been plenty of hard work.
There was a party at Trent Cotchin's place on the day he was drafted, six years ago. He was 17 and he had reached the end - the end of the hard work, the end of all the hoping, the end of a very long wait. So much effort had gone into making the moment his name was called out by Richmond happen, but the second it did something new started. Trent snuck off to bed early that night, while everyone else kept celebrating. His mind was churning: what would training be like? How soon would he play? How many games would he play? How would it all turn out?
Trent was one of five boys I followed through 2007, for a book called The Draft. He started the year as a possible No. 1 pick, with things to live up to already. Ben McEvoy lived on a farm and travelled hours each week to train and play. Brad Ebert had football in his blood, and so did Cyril Rioli, though some couldn't figure 'Junior' out: he was brilliant, yes, but how badly did he want it? Patrick Veszpremi needed to get fit, to convince recruiters he could run, and had an injured shoulder that needed surgery. All five wanted the same thing - to get drafted - but were going after it from different angles.
The day after the draft, I started writing and by the time the book was done three months later, all five of the boys had become footballers, grown ups. It seemed to happen so quickly. There was still a bit of naivety - Ben would set two alarms each night, to make sure he was never late and the first time Pat went to a supermarket on his own in Sydney he had no idea what to buy, so he went home, checked the pantry to see what his teammates ate, then turned back around. But football had changed for all of them, it's kept changing in the six years since.
All five are the same people they were back then. It would be nice to see things as clearly as Trent, to know exactly what you want. I love the way Ben is able to step back from the at-times absurd world he lives in, and consider it so sensibly. Pat brightens up your day the second you see him and Junior is as humble as he always was, which is why I think people (then and now) seem to always want more from him. He will never talk himself up. Brad was always very curious and conscious of others.
The one thing that has happened is that their worlds have naturally expanded. Trent and Junior are both engaged. Ben has bought his own farm. Pat picked up the phone at the end of last year and called his dad, who he had not seen for years. Brad had always seemed destined to play for Port Adelaide, given his family's long history there. But there was much more to his trade there from West Coast two years ago. He had to think about where he would play his best football. His sister was unwell, and he wanted to be home, helping. But his girlfriend was from Perth. If he moved, what would it mean for them?
All five talk about how physically demanding the game is, how challenging it can be to wake up in the morning and think: 'I have to do that all again?' Pat was a boy when he went to Sydney and thought he was going there to play footy, but suddenly it was about what he weighed, what he ate, trying to get his head around what the coaches wanted and dealing with his own insecurities. Junior, who could barely be bothered with draft camp - the recruiters thought he was disinterested; he wanted to kick a footy around, not taken written tests - has had to painstakingly reconstruct his running style to help his hamstrings cope, and walking into team meetings he still feels a little overwhelmed by how much work there is left to do. Against bigger, stronger, older opponents in his early games Ben felt helpless.
Then there is Trent. He went to Richmond wanting to make a bright start, and couldn't.
He was put on the long-term injury list almost as soon as he got there and wondered if his body was going to let him do what he wanted it to. He is only 23 but he can already see not only the finish line, but the things that will be there: wife, teenage kids, a house at Flinders, a few businesses and charities on the go.
Like the others, he finds the game physically hard, and relentless. He loves the constant challenges - beating the player beside him, being a good captain, helping his team improve - but is already looking forward to it being over.
It's a tough game and it's all they ever wanted to do but no matter how much work they do, they can still never completely control their story. Ben probably puts it best of all. Football ''gives you so much,'' he said, ''and it can absolutely shatter you.''
The Draft, by Emma Quayle, is available now through Penguin Books. rrp: $22.95
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/turning-their-fields-of-dreams-into-reality-20130522-2k18s.html#ixzz2U1M4quyX
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Why would you come out and say that?
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Gee whiz.
Though Swan said he didn't want to have a long career either.
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Im not really understanding why our supporters seem to be so "cut" about what Cotch said. It seems fair enough to me.
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Editor creates a headline by taking a small part of quote and what do we get? Angst.
Would love to read the part of the book that gives the entire story rather than a couple of quotes
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His early retirement has already been in an article.
3 years better get himself and his mates on the their bikes toot sweet.
Can we expect his next contract to be his last then?
If he can deliver or be part of winning premiership side within 3 years he can do whatever ever bloody pleases.
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His early retirement has already been in an article.
3 years better get himself and his mates on the their bikes toot sweet.
Can we expect his next contract to be his last then?
If he can deliver or be part of winning premiership side within 3 years he can do whatever ever bloody pleases.
:clapping
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His early retirement has already been in an article.
3 years better get himself and his mates on the their bikes toot sweet.
Can we expect his next contract to be his last then?
If he can deliver or be part of winning premiership side within 3 years he can do whatever ever bloody pleases.
Added poll just to make you happy :thumbsup
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His early retirement has already been in an article.
3 years better get himself and his mates on the their bikes toot sweet.
Can we expect his next contract to be his last then?
If he can deliver or be part of winning premiership side within 3 years he can do whatever ever bloody pleases.
Added poll just to make you happy :thumbsup
Thanks just voted :bow
I'm thinking 5 years might be on the table.
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I don't really like the quote ''But I'm looking forward to it being over as well"
I'm sorry, but I like my Richmond captains to be, or at least appear to be, more durable than that. I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games, or, at least until their last tendon is hanging off their knees and ankles. It's great to hear that Trent has a balanced life, but I would like to see him become a bit more single minded about fixing his kicking to be honest, he has hardly hit a target all year. He was a better kick back a couple of years ago when he was known as a 'footy nut'. I realise I am being extremely harsh on our young captain here, but I want to see him retire as not just a legend of our club but he has the potential to be one of the all time greats of the game.
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I'll believe it when I see it, what player at their peak would turn their back on 6-800k a year for another few years? no-one unless they're already loaded. When he has kids and thinks abt their future, he'll play on till cant
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I read the article also. Will reserve judgement until i read the whole lot, not just selected excerpts from a book as it may be taken out of context.
If quoted in context then i find it puzzling for him to say that. I would take a flag in the next three years even Cotch does retire.
exactly
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Oh dear.
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The updated version of the book is on sale for $18.99.
http://www.angusrobertson.com.au/book/the-draft/38180478/
(http://images.angusrobertson.com.au/images/ar/97801435/9780143569275/0/0/plain/the-draft.jpg)
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A flag within 3 years? Yes PLEASE ;D
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Based on recent history I think its safe to say that Cotch will be playing out his days at the RFC until he is a very old man :thumbsup
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The boy has no say in it. He will play and play well until he's 41.
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The boy has no say in it. He will play and play well until he's 41.
Yes, so they become the first father / son combo to play in the same [remiership side in VFL / AFL history. :lol
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The boy has no say in it. He will play and play well until he's 41.
Yes, so they become the first father / son combo to play in the same [remiership side in VFL / AFL history. :lol
Affirmative.
This type of poo wouldn't go down in Germany.
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Never fear.Andy D has made sure both GCS and GWS win a flag or 2 before us.
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Retirement comments were 'tongue in cheek'
By Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
Thursday, May 23, 2013
RICHMOND captain Trent Cotchin says comments he made during the off-season that he would consider retirement if the Tigers won a premiership in the next three years were "tongue in cheek" and the reaction had been over the top.
In an interview for an updated version of The Draft, a book by respected draft expert Emma Quayle, Cotchin spoke about the demands of being an AFL footballer and the aspects of the game he loved.
The 23-year-old added: "But I'm looking forward to it being over as well. I reckon if we won a premiership in the next three years I'd pretty much be done."
Cotchin stressed on Thursday that he had made the comment, so it was not out of context, but said: "The way some people have reacted is the incorrect way".
"It was a tongue in cheek comment that has obviously taken a fair bit of attention away from our actual game this week," the star midfielder said.
"We spoke about the book over the off-season last year and it was more so a tongue in cheek line where we were talking about how hard footy is becoming.
"My main focus is to lead the club the best I can, alongside some of our younger leaders.
"The reality of it all is that we are here as a group determined to have success in the future. That's what we're striving towards."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-05-23/comments-were-tongue-in-cheek
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I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
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Cotchin stressed on Thursday that he had made the comment, so it was not out of context,
WP? :santa
How many of you have stuck with a job you didn't like? Doubt many would and not for long
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Strip of captaincy. Trade while retains value.
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Cotchin stressed on Thursday that he had made the comment, so it was not out of context,
WP? :santa
How many of you have stuck with a job you didn't like? Doubt many would and not for long
What are you dragging me into this for?
I'm not Mr OE ;D
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Cotchin stressed on Thursday that he had made the comment, so it was not out of context,
WP? :santa
How many of you have stuck with a job you didn't like? Doubt many would and not for long
What are you dragging me into this for?
I'm not Mr OE ;D
You kept saying it was possibly out of context and Cotchin saying it isn't, but dw it was tongue in cheek
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I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
Cambo was overrated
Brodix. Knights. Free >
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Strip of captaincy. Trade while retains value.
:lol
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Cotchin stressed on Thursday that he had made the comment, so it was not out of context,
WP? :santa
How many of you have stuck with a job you didn't like? Doubt many would and not for long
What are you dragging me into this for?
I'm not Mr OE ;D
You kept saying it was possibly out of context and Cotchin saying it isn't, but dw it was tongue in cheek
Fair enough :P
But I had a laugh when he says he hasn't been taken out of context, but then says "the way some people have reacted is the incorrect way". What is the right way for people to react? ;D
And if that doesn't cover it we drag out "it was tongue in cheek comment". Bet you Emma Quayle who's been a huge supporter of Trent's would be rapted with knowing that
But I think based on the Cotchy's response today and tryingt oclear things up for the masses he has clearly shown that if wants it a career in politics beckons once he wins that flag of course :clapping ;D
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I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
Cambo was overrated
Brodix. Knights. Free >
rubbish!
4 times best and fairest
3 times runner up.
'Twas the team that was poo and the hierachy during his career.
It was also he that stood up when we had a muppet for a coach and threatened to walk out because of it. He is Richmond through and through as he supported the club also.
If we had a decent team around him he would've been regarded a champ.
Unfortunately we didn't have a clue as a club for too many years.
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Knights made it to the team of the century, Campbell didn't.
I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
I just think outside wingers generally speaking have greater longevity in the game. They just don't cop the wear and tear that inside mids or CHF's do.
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Cogs> daylight > cambo
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Cogs was a tragedy - was Lenny Hayes mkII
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Knights made it to the team of the century, Campbell didn't.
I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
I just think outside wingers generally speaking have greater longevity in the game. They just don't cop the wear and tear that inside mids or CHF's do.
Jack Baggott should have been in the team of the Century. How Matt Knights got in playing in the era he had played in was a question. Matty Richardson should also not have been included because at the time he was a long way short of finishing his career. That he was a much loved champion by the end doesnt count.
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Cotchy loves a good gag. Yessss big man. :clapping
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Knights made it to the team of the century, Campbell didn't.
I want at least 300 games out of them, 300 proper games that is not 300 Wayne Campbell games
Some big whacks in this post but none bigger than this. Poor Cambo. Whackity whack
I just think outside wingers generally speaking have greater longevity in the game. They just don't cop the wear and tear that inside mids or CHF's do.
Jack Baggott should have been in the team of the Century. How Matt Knights got in playing in the era he had played in was a question. Matty Richardson should also not have been included because at the time he was a long way short of finishing his career. That he was a much loved champion by the end doesnt count.
The fact he was in our best 22 players off all time does.
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Knights won us a final and Richo is Richo. Can't knock either of those guys.
I think the Cotch story is a media beatup. Think we would all like to dream of winning a flag and then retiring. Nice story. Lets hope his story doesn't follow the path of so many other tigers in the land of 9th.
The one thing that is making this season more bearable is how many close games north are losing. That keeps me cheerful. Good to know we are not the only club with a dud coach.