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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 15, 2013, 08:48:05 PM
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Any changes to a winning combo?
Fire away ....
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Leave it!!!!!!!!!! :thumbsup
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INS: Batchelor
OUTS: Astbury
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astbury was looking ok and has more pace than batchelor
i would have dea before batch
jackson has to go
and foley went backwards after a great game in perth
grigg is a worry
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Watched Astbury really closely today to see if my opinion of him had changed. Nope, still the human statue.
Batch is 10 times the footballer and he is borderline. Come on Grimes, you are what we need.
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Watched Astbury really closely today to see if my opinion of him had changed. Nope, still the human statue.
Batch is 10 times the footballer and he is borderline. Come on Grimes, you are what we need.
Thought I was the only one who thought he resembles a non moving object, just far too reactionary for mine
Would love Grimes back too but until then would go with Batchelor or Astbury every week
See big tone who said we can't agree sometimes ;D
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astbury just needs to string 4 games together and look out
grimes we miss badly
dea is better than batch
batch is too slow too reactionary and thinks we r still playing 80's footy
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INS: Batchelor
OUTS: Astbury
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Watched Astbury really closely today to see if my opinion of him had changed. Nope, still the human statue.
Batch is 10 times the footballer and he is borderline. Come on Grimes, you are what we need.
Thought I was the only one who thought he resembles a non moving object, just far too reactionary for mine
Would love Grimes back too but until then would go with Batchelor or Astbury every week
See big tone who said we can't agree sometimes ;D
Went with a couple of metes today WP, that have both played their share of good footy and told them to take special notice of how Astbury goes. Both were horrified how he after one contest would stand there and spectate. He is no good. Would rather Batch, Griff or even an undersized Dea to fill his role.
Saying that both still laugh at my dislike of Ellis. :lol
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Anyone in for Arsebury.
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Watched Astbury really closely today to see if my opinion of him had changed. Nope, still the human statue.
Batch is 10 times the footballer and he is borderline. Come on Grimes, you are what we need.
Thought I was the only one who thought he resembles a non moving object, just far too reactionary for mine
Would love Grimes back too but until then would go with Batchelor or Astbury every week
See big tone who said we can't agree sometimes ;D
Went with a couple of metes today WP, that have both played their share of good footy and told them to take special notice of how Astbury goes. Both were horrified how he after one contest would stand there and spectate. He is no good. Would rather Batch, Griff or even an undersized Dea to fill his role.
Saying that both still laugh at my dislike of Ellis. :lol
This is symptomatic of Astbury's core strength, ie he is the thinking mans footballer. He is often thinking ahead two or three plays beyond the present and unfortunately he is frozen in real time. The blank look so often observed on his face is actually the facade of a feverish mind working behind the scenes.
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While still off the consistency required of a player his age and experience - seeing Griggs attack the ball and laying tackles was good to see it is possible.
Too often Griggamortus sets in when a hard ball needs to be won but when there's an opportunistic goal to be kicked Griggy Pops up
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I thought astbury won or competed well in most contests.
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I thought astbury won or competed well in most contests.
So did I.
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At the game, I didn't think Astbury did that well. After watching the replay, I changed my mind. Rarely beaten and tried hard. Obviously would be better for the run.
As has been said, he will improve given a stretch of games. His running backwards and copping it from Morris accidentally showed real courage. Doubt Batch would have done that.
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Out Astbury and A Edwards'
In Batchelor and McBean
Next week is the week to play McBean providing he has a good game today.
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IN:Anyone with a heart larger than a pea.
OUT:Tyrone.
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How long has Astbury been out for?..give him a break,its first game after a spell
watching him in the magoos he has been consistently good deserved the call up
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I thought astbury won or competed well in most contests.
agree. did a good smother as well
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How long has Astbury been out for?..give him a break,its first game after a spell
watching him in the magoos he has been consistently good deserved the call up
Agree.
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Crucial to play with 22 this week.
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Eh. Vickery needs a spell, him and Edwards did nothing but at least Edwards looked like he wanted to kick a goal. Astbury deserves a chance especially since it's time to make a call on him whether his worth persisting with or turfing.
Out Vickery In whoever kicked the most goals for Coburg
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Dropping Assberry now would be foolish. He went ok for a bloke coming back from a long time off senior football. He needs a few games to get some form up and for us to see whether he's worth persisting with. Our backline lacks hight and quite frankly Bachelor is very dispensable.
People are still too quick to draw a like through our young players. I am guilty of it too.
This is a big year for Dave but I'm going to back him. He howed some promise before succumbing to some torrid injury luck. Plus he's of sound character which I think holds him in good stead development wise.
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quite frankly Bachelor is very dispensable.
People are still too quick to draw a like through our young player
:facepalm
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quite frankly Bachelor is very dispensable.
People are still too quick to draw a like through our young player
:facepalm
Haha. Fair crack there smart behind but I haven't written Bachelor off by any means or even been that critical. Just beleive that at this stage of his development he is a fringe player and not integral to the team's structure ie. 'dispensible'
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Dropping Assberry now would be foolish. He went ok for a bloke coming back from a long time off senior football. He needs a few games to get some form up and for us to see whether he's worth persisting with. Our backline lacks hight and quite frankly Bachelor is very dispensable.
People are still too quick to draw a like through our young players. I am guilty of it too.
This is a big year for Dave but I'm going to back him. He howed some promise before succumbing to some torrid injury luck. Plus he's of sound character which I think holds him in good stead development wise.
Hey Willy, were you at the game on Saturday? Reason I ask is on watching the the replay it looked liked he did do ok but its the stuff off camera that makes it look like he has NFI. He just stands there five meters off the ball, not even looking at where his opponent is. The one thing the replay does show is that he gives nothing offensively, not once did he get into a position to get the footy when we were kicking in after a point. Nothing would make me happier than if he were to turn it around but IMO he will not. J. Post was a better footballer.
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Dropping Assberry now would be foolish. He went ok for a bloke coming back from a long time off senior football. He needs a few games to get some form up and for us to see whether he's worth persisting with. Our backline lacks hight and quite frankly Bachelor is very dispensable.
People are still too quick to draw a like through our young players. I am guilty of it too.
This is a big year for Dave but I'm going to back him. He howed some promise before succumbing to some torrid injury luck. Plus he's of sound character which I think holds him in good stead development wise.
Hey Willy, were you at the game on Saturday? Reason I ask is on watching the the replay it looked liked he did do ok but its the stuff off camera that makes it look like he has NFI. He just stands there five meters off the ball, not even looking at where his opponent is. The one thing the replay does show is that he gives nothing offensively, not once did he get into a position to get the footy when we were kicking in after a point. Nothing would make me happier than if he were to turn it around but IMO he will not. J. Post was a better footballer.
Yep I was at the game and I have watched the replay. From both perspectives I think he did enough to warrant another game. Your points are interesting though. I didn't really pay much attention to those aspects of his game. I will watch with interest this weeekend.
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Everyone wants to see McBean so bring him in to stretch the Bulldogs defence height wise.
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He didn't play for coburg
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It takes time to get back into the swing of things. Astbury will be better for the run. Loved that effort going back with the flight
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It takes time to get back into the swing of things. Astbury will be better for the run. Loved that effort going back with the flight
Agree. Can't expect him to adjust to the pace immediately. Needs time
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It's only the dogs, just leave it.
On astbury he was better when he came back after getting a hit, yes he looks a bit lost and that is why we should let him string a few together and see what happens. Going to nothing for confidence or consistency going back now.
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The Barometer - Round 13
Herald-Sun
June 17, 2013
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: Another even performance from the Tigers, with only a handful of players failing to earn a pass mark in the win against Adelaide. David Astbury was subbed off after being cleaned up by kamikaze teammate Steven Morris, but will be available. Matt White added some spark when he came on as Astbury's replacement but had just five kicks, while Aaron Edwards and Ty Vickery kicked one behind between them on a tough day for marking forwards.
ON THE CUSP: If Damien Hardwick wants to try a different combination up forward Luke McGuane is waiting for a call after kicking three goals in the VFL. Sam Lonergan picked up 27 disposals and 13 clearances and Mat Arnot had 27 disposals of his own in Coburg's loss to Collingwood. Development coach Mark Williams says he expects teenage beanpole Liam McBean to play senior footy this season.
AL PATON'S FORECAST: A spot in the eight is Richmond's to lose. Expect minimal changes for Saturday night's clash against the Bulldogs, who the Tigers have already beaten once this season (by 77 points in Round 3). After that games against St Kilda and North Melbourne offer a chance to take a stranglehold on a finals berth before the annual Cairns curse.
Oh how much better you feel waking up after a win #gotiges
— Steve Morris (@stevemorris38) June 15, 2013
“@stevemorris38: Oh how much better you feel waking up after a win #gotiges” I'm glad you feel good mate. You made sure I don't!
— David Astbury (@dastbury12) June 16, 2013
Read more: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/the-barometer-round-13/story-e6frf3e3-1226665199192#ixzz2WSvtjyxU
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At the moment it seems most positions are pretty settled, the only few I see are the following-
3rd tall forward and the 3rd tall back.
IMO Edwards did a good job on the weekend, he didn't hit the scoreboard but did well with his contesting and tackling. He leads up at the footy which is something we desperately need. But by no means has he made the position his. Other options are McGuane and McBean.
With the 3rd tall back, hopefully if we can get Gimmes back and fit, that's the 3rd tall backman taken care of. Other options are Batch, Astbury, Dea, and Griff. IMO Dea is the best there, not as tall as the others but can play taller, and is desperate, hard and has improved his decision making and disposal and gives us much more run than the other three.
The side at the moment still needs a little harder edge to it IMO. We need players that like to hunt and hurt the opposition. And the inclusion of Dea to the backline and Lonegan to the midfield/sub
really helps with that. Both are not people's favorites but when the games get harder I would back those two in to give their all.
Spots are finally hard to get, and thats where our improvement is coming from. Would really like to see McBean and Arnot at some stage but only when they truly deserve their opportunity.
Hold on boys I finally think we have turned the corner. If we can keep that pressure up we can match it with any side. Stil think we have heaps of improvement left in us.
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is there any option to the man who could not get a kick in a footy factory vickery.
whats that i hear no option, sheesh i gotta ask are the cracks being papered over.
no decent second ruckman with noone in the magoos. no decent chf or 2nd kpf with no option in the magoos. no decent small forward rance stinking it up still with no better replacement.
hacks like jackson white etc unable to be outed because there is none in the magoos doing anything.
would seriously like to see kids like astbury continue and others like mcbean elton arnott griffiths etc given games.
i have little doubt we are heading for a fall. we can only hope we dont lose 3 or 4 of our better mids and big ivan and jack stay healthy.
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has the world ended????
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Nah it ended on December 21 2012. did you miss the tidal waves and the earthquakes or something. You should pay more attention ;D
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is there any option to the man who could not get a kick in a footy factory vickery.
whats that i hear no option, sheesh i gotta ask are the cracks being papered over.
no decent second ruckman with noone in the magoos. no decent chf or 2nd kpf with no option in the magoos. no decent small forward rance stinking it up still with no better replacement.
hacks like jackson white etc unable to be outed because there is none in the magoos doing anything.
would seriously like to see kids like astbury continue and others like mcbean elton arnott griffiths etc given games.
i have little doubt we are heading for a fall. we can only hope we dont lose 3 or 4 of our better mids and big ivan and jack stay healthy.
You say we have no decent second ruckman in the magoos yet you say you seriously want to see McBean and Elton get a go, you say we have no decent CHF in the magoos yet you seriousely want to see Griff, Mebean, Elton and Astbury get a game, you say Rance is stinking it up with no decent replacement yet you seriously want to see Astbury and Griffiths in his position.
So what you are saying is we have no decent players for those positions in the magoos yet you want to see the players playing in the magoos come into the seniors.
That makes perfect sense!
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is there any option to the man who could not get a kick in a footy factory vickery.
whats that i hear no option, sheesh i gotta ask are the cracks being papered over.
no decent second ruckman with noone in the magoos. no decent chf or 2nd kpf with no option in the magoos. no decent small forward rance stinking it up still with no better replacement.
hacks like jackson white etc unable to be outed because there is none in the magoos doing anything.
would seriously like to see kids like astbury continue and others like mcbean elton arnott griffiths etc given games.
i have little doubt we are heading for a fall. we can only hope we dont lose 3 or 4 of our better mids and big ivan and jack stay healthy.
You say we have no decent second ruckman in the magoos yet you say you seriously want to see McBean and Elton get a go, you say we have no decent CHF in the magoos yet you seriousely want to see Griff, Mebean, Elton and Astbury get a game, you say Rance is stinking it up with no decent replacement yet you seriously want to see Astbury and Griffiths in his position.
So what you are saying is we have no decent players for those positions in the magoos yet you want to see the players playing in the magoos come into the seniors.
That makes perfect sense!
its not hard to fathom for 3 yrs we gave kids games because it quickened development sooner or later we have to find players who perform we may as well get games into them just like we did in 2010 2011 2012.
its simple persevere with hacks in the seniors or develop a few more in the seniors instead..
besides it was a post on our depth and the need to develop more players even if it means gifting the odd one.
hmm give elton griffiths or mcbean a game up forward. instead of bringing back the hack mcguane or maybe dropping the statue vickery they would not be worse. continue with astbury down back i dont agree with this one game in out for 10 bull dust. give him a decent crack at it.
havent said drop rance we cant we dont have an option just stating hes still crap and we must find better or at least look to find better.hence we play astbury and we at least have some height and structure down back.why are we asking mediums like dea and batchelor to play on genuinely tall players. sooner or later we have to address these things better its sooner.
just like last yr we look world beaters against crap sides but have failed miserably against those who look destined for finals. still back yard bullies with a long long way to go.
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Coburg coach, Tim Clarke's summary of how the Richmond-listed players performed at Coburg on the weekend:
Matt Arnot
Produced a really good performance through the midfield. Lacked his usual efficiency with the ball, however impacted contests in trademark style.
Ben Darrou
Started well in defence on a quality opponent in Jackson Paine, before suffering a broken jaw. Will miss 4-6 weeks.
Tom Derickx
His ruckwork was very good, but we needed more involvement from him around the ground, with contested marks.
Todd Elton
Played his role in defence extremely well. Kept the opposition’s resting rucks in check and went on to their key forwards when needed.
Ben Griffiths
His overall influence was much lower than the standard he’d set over the previous couple of games.
Brad Helbig
Played a good game through the midfield. Provided the team with plenty of drive, but needs to be a bit cleaner with his ball use. Pleasing to have him back in the side.
Sam Lonergan
Was very good through the midfield as well. Won plenty of clearances and contested football. One of our best players.
Matthew McDonough
Was used in a variety of roles throughout the match – up forward, down back and through the midfield – in an attempt to plug holes due to injury. Was just okay by his standards.
Luke McGuane
Was lively as a key forward, kicking 3.3. Showed good leadership in attack with our younger forwards.
Kamdyn McIntosh
After Ben Darrou was injured, went on to the dangerous Jackson Paine, and did a really good job on him defensively. Is developing into a solid defender.
Robin Nahas
Played a very good game as a high forward and through the midfield. Was clean with the ball and had four shots for goal, but couldn’t convert.
Brett O’Hanlon
Had a good game offensively, picking up 15 possessions. Just lacked a bit of awareness that comes with more experience. Still needs to get his contested possessions up.
Orren Stephenson
His ruckwork was very good, but he was a bit messy around the ground. Took only a couple of marks. Is certainly capable of having much more overall presence.
Steve Verrier
A really good offensive game, apart from a few skill errors. Needs to improve his kicking. Was okay defensively, but needs to improve his starting positions.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2013-06-18/coburg-report-round-10
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RICHMOND - In the Mix
If Jake Batchelor can get up from the sore knee that kept out of Saturday's win over Adelaide, he is a like-for-like replacement for David Astbury, who suffered a head knock against the Crows and will be closely monitored throughout the week. Matt Dea (calf) will have a test while Ricky Petterd (calf) is moving closer to playing again. Luke McGuane kicked three goals in the VFL on the weekend and Sam Lonergan and Matt Arnot were solid contributors. - Jennifer Phelan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-18/afls-in-the-mix-round-13
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Watched Astbury really closely today to see if my opinion of him had changed. Nope, still the human statue.
Batch is 10 times the footballer and he is borderline. Come on Grimes, you are what we need.
We're you pie eyed by qtr time, he did very nicely thank you, moved like with grace and used the ball with surgeon like precision . For his first game back n 12 months, i was positively delighted :shh...he won't be going anywhere :clapping
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RICHMOND - In the Mix
If Jake Batchelor can get up from the sore knee that kept out of Saturday's win over Adelaide, he is a like-for-like replacement for David Astbury, who suffered a head knock against the Crows and will be closely monitored throughout the week. Matt Dea (calf) will have a test while Ricky Petterd (calf) is moving closer to playing again. Luke McGuane kicked three goals in the VFL on the weekend and Sam Lonergan and Matt Arnot were solid contributors. - Jennifer Phelan
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-18/afls-in-the-mix-round-13
how the hell is a 188cm 87kg slow medium defender a like for like replacement for a 195cm 96kg kpp in astbury. imo batchelors size if hes to play tall pace and cleaness or touch are very questionable atm. seriously think matt dea should be playing for batchelor and a kid like mcintosh should be considered for a running role of hb.
would really like to see if possible and they earn it a back half of
morris - chaplin - grimes
mcintosh - astbury - dea.
imo thats the future just imagine if we had a player like frawley or merrett as one of the book ends.
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sad to see they are killing another tall forward in elton by playing him back. how many times and how many players will they do this too before they learn. ffs if they want key defenders bloody draft em.
what amazes me is mcbean whos doing well as a forward did extremely well as a defender yet refuse to play him there. i dunno there is just no logic to how they are going about finding talls.
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a hypothetical for you claw.
you are making the decisions draft night.
the club needs a KPD.
In your rankings of KP players available, you have 4 or 5 blokes that play forward that you rate higher than the best backman.
Who do you draft?
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a hypothetical for you claw.
you are making the decisions draft night.
the club needs a KPD.
In your rankings of KP players available, you have 4 or 5 blokes that play forward that you rate higher than the best backman.
Who do you draft?
Hahahahahah thats great Al, should be an interesting answer (if one is forthcoming)
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Doc Larkins says:
Batchelor injured his knee at training but is ready to train again. Dea and Petterd are in the mix while both Morris and Newman are nursing sore ankles with Morris in some minor doubt for Saturday night.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-06-18/doc-larkins-injury-list-round-13
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Would leave the team unchanged.
If McBean played in the VFL last week and kicked over 3 goals I would have him in!
When will ARNOT get an opportunity?