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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on July 02, 2013, 01:52:04 AM
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The AFL ladder could be thrown into chaos just weeks before the finals, if Essendon is stripped of premiership points as a result of the investigation of illegal supplements.
It is also possible the AFL Commission will award the beaten teams the points from each clash.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/fear-of-finals-chaos-20130701-2p7k9.html#ixzz2XoF9vnXd
Hello top 4 if this happens!
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they should be stripped of points next yr too
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Their supporters are idiots. Still claiming to have done nothing wrong hahaha.
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Think they should be stripped of their points (round 20 or round 21 pleaee) but don't agree with giving those points to the teams they beat during the course of the year.
Not fair on those teams that have beaten them and won the 4 points themselves
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ban them from finals this yr bull start them on inus 80 points next yr which will carry on in following years
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Think they should be stripped of their points (round 20 or round 21 pleaee) but don't agree with giving those points to the teams they beat during the course of the year.
Not fair on those teams that have beaten them and won the 4 points themselves
Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
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It is also possible the AFL Commission will award the beaten teams the points from each clash.
That won't happen, no chance.
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Was an 8 point game. Should get 8 points :banghead
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Their supporters are idiots. Still claiming to have done nothing wrong hahaha.
A book could be written on the level on delusion, and the Social phenomena line of bullying fellow essendon fans into believing everything is going to be alright an there is no fault.
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It is also possible the AFL Commission will award the beaten teams the points from each clash.
That won't happen, no chance.
I doubt Essendon will keep points from this year.
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The way we played that night id rather give the 4 pts to Coburg. :whistle
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Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
But that was last year not this year
The investigation relates to 2012 not 2013
I understand people's angst, I really do but awarding points they've won to the teams they've beaten and then giving those who have actually beat the Bombers nothing isn't exactly fair. What happesn to teams %, are we going to alter that too?
Also, hypothetically say they do hand over the points and in doing so another team goes ahead of us on the ladder and it means we miss out on say top 4 (double chance) or a home final - not sure folks would be happy with that either
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If you put PEDrug into your body - via many jabs.
maybe not legal. (drug authority in sport)
+ muscle
- fat
good for knees.
WP -> would this effects continue to the following season :huh
Was Robinson THE WEAPON / Hird trying to get many pre-season in one into the players? -
or perhaps this is an inaccurate line of thought and the bulk up effect were only for 2012 season with no intention of continuation in the following seasons, completely...
Lose of points 12-13-2014 ? :police:
A lot of questions.
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Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
But that was last year not this year
The investigation relates to 2012 not 2013
I understand people's angst, I really do but awarding points they've won to the teams they've beaten and then giving those who have actually beat the Bombers nothing isn't exactly fair. What happesn to teams %, are we going to alter that too?
Also, hypothetically say they do hand over the points and in doing so another team goes ahead of us on the ladder and it means we miss out on say top 4 (double chance) or a home final - not sure folks would be happy with that either
Whats unfair about Richmond getting 4 points from the bombers. Anything that benefits RFC is fair and reasonable, indeed The AFL should award us 8 extra points because we placed our champion players at risk in that game when it was unnecessary. Essendon are Scum.
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If you put PEDrug into your body - via many jabs.
maybe not legal. (drug authority in sport)
+ muscle
- fat
good for knees.
WP -> would this effects continue to the following season :huh
Was Robinson THE WEAPON / Hird trying to get many pre-season in one into the players? -
or perhaps this is an inaccurate line of thought and the bulk up effect were only for 2012 season with no intention of continuation in the following seasons, completely...
Lose of points 12-13-2014 ? :police:
A lot of questions.
Pretty sure they would be reaping the benefits of the drug this year too.
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and next year too. its a disgrace and a blight on the sport.
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id like someone to now argue that Bombers arent more scum and pathetic than the blues. Gone past them in a massive way
That club makes me sick in every way and i cant wait till round 23 to yell out drug cheats from my seat
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Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
But that was last year not this year
The investigation relates to 2012 not 2013
I understand people's angst, I really do but awarding points they've won to the teams they've beaten and then giving those who have actually beat the Bombers nothing isn't exactly fair. What happesn to teams %, are we going to alter that too?
Also, hypothetically say they do hand over the points and in doing so another team goes ahead of us on the ladder and it means we miss out on say top 4 (double chance) or a home final - not sure folks would be happy with that either
They are still reaping the rewards of last years juicing program and regardless, they should not be playing this year period, all their games and results should be wiped not just their wins (ie didn't happen, they are not part of season 2013), every single team should be on a level playing field where the injectors are concerned. Otherwise its not a level playing field. The teams that beat them have a win against a side that will be suspended from the competition retrospectively
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id like someone to now argue that Bombers arent more scum and pathetic than the blues. Gone past them in a massive way
That club makes me sick in every way and i cant wait till round 23 to yell out drug cheats from my seat
I sledged Hird after they were thrashed by Sydney as he walked through the members stand about 2 metres away from me, I stared him right in his beady little eyes and he looked like he was going to cry and I LMFAO and LMFAO and LMFAO
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:laugh:
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id like someone to now argue that Bombers arent more scum and pathetic than the blues. Gone past them in a massive way
That club makes me sick in every way and i cant wait till round 23 to yell out drug cheats from my seat
I sledged Hird after they were thrashed by Sydney as he walked through the members stand about 2 metres away from me, I stared him right in his beady little eyes and he looked like he was going to cry and I LMFAO and LMFAO and LMFAO
hahahahahahahahahaahaha
brilliant
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:bow
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Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
But that was last year not this year
The investigation relates to 2012 not 2013
I understand people's angst, I really do but awarding points they've won to the teams they've beaten and then giving those who have actually beat the Bombers nothing isn't exactly fair. What happesn to teams %, are we going to alter that too?
Also, hypothetically say they do hand over the points and in doing so another team goes ahead of us on the ladder and it means we miss out on say top 4 (double chance) or a home final - not sure folks would be happy with that either
They are still reaping the rewards of last years juicing program and regardless, they should not be playing this year period, all their games and results should be wiped not just their wins (ie didn't happen, they are not part of season 2013), every single team should be on a level playing field where the injectors are concerned. Otherwise its not a level playing field.
I am not defending them, have been saying for ages they should be stripped of points, Jimmy Hird should be at the very least be banned from coaching and the players punished severely
But I'd argue that last years program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of last year. So I am not sure anyone can say categorically that they are reaping the benefits of their dodgy 2012 dealings in 2013. We simply don't know
The teams that beat them have a win against a side that will be suspended from the competition retrospectively
That being the case do what do those teams that have beaten the bungling Bombers this year get if the AFL handover the 4 points to every team that's been beaten by the Bungling Bombers?
If we get 4 points for getting beaten what do Sydney & Geelong get for beating them? Another 4 points too or do they just get to bask in the knowledge that they beat them?
If you put PEDrug into your body - via many jabs.
maybe not legal. (drug authority in sport)
+ muscle
- fat
good for knees.
WP -> would this effects continue to the following season :huh
Was Robinson THE WEAPON / Hird trying to get many pre-season in one into the players? -
or perhaps this is an inaccurate line of thought and the bulk up effect were only for 2012 season with no intention of continuation in the following seasons, completely...
Lose of points 12-13-2014 ? :police:
A lot of questions.
Pretty sure they would be reaping the benefits of the drug this year too.
As i said above seriously how would any of us really know? We can speculate and hope but we don't know
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id like someone to now argue that Bombers arent more scum and pathetic than the blues. Gone past them in a massive way
That club makes me sick in every way and i cant wait till round 23 to yell out drug cheats from my seat
I sledged Hird after they were thrashed by Sydney as he walked through the members stand about 2 metres away from me, I stared him right in his beady little eyes and he looked like he was going to cry and I LMFAO and LMFAO and LMFAO
the pickled one on fire today in the forums :clapping
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Its not fair on the teams they beat illegally as well
But that was last year not this year
The investigation relates to 2012 not 2013
I understand people's angst, I really do but awarding points they've won to the teams they've beaten and then giving those who have actually beat the Bombers nothing isn't exactly fair. What happesn to teams %, are we going to alter that too?
Also, hypothetically say they do hand over the points and in doing so another team goes ahead of us on the ladder and it means we miss out on say top 4 (double chance) or a home final - not sure folks would be happy with that either
They are still reaping the rewards of last years juicing program and regardless, they should not be playing this year period, all their games and results should be wiped not just their wins (ie didn't happen, they are not part of season 2013), every single team should be on a level playing field where the injectors are concerned. Otherwise its not a level playing field.
I am not defending them, have been saying for ages they should be stripped of points, Jimmy Hird should be at the very least be banned from coaching and the players punished severely
But I'd argue that last years program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of last year. So I am not sure anyone can say categorically that they are reaping the benefits of their dodgy 2012 dealings in 2013. We simply don't know
The teams that beat them have a win against a side that will be suspended from the competition retrospectively
That being the case do what do those teams that have beaten the bungling Bombers this year get if the AFL handover the 4 points to every team that's been beaten by the Bungling Bombers?
If we get 4 points for getting beaten what do Sydney & Geelong get for beating them? Another 4 points too or do they just get to bask in the knowledge that they beat them?
If you put PEDrug into your body - via many jabs.
maybe not legal. (drug authority in sport)
+ muscle
- fat
good for knees.
WP -> would this effects continue to the following season :huh
Was Robinson THE WEAPON / Hird trying to get many pre-season in one into the players? -
or perhaps this is an inaccurate line of thought and the bulk up effect were only for 2012 season with no intention of continuation in the following seasons, completely...
Lose of points 12-13-2014 ? :police:
A lot of questions.
Pretty sure they would be reaping the benefits of the drug this year too.
As i said above seriously how would any of us really know? We can speculate and hope but we don't know
missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
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I'd argue that last years program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of last year
As i said above seriously how would any of us really know?
:huh
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I'd argue that last years program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of last year
As i said above seriously how would any of us really know?
:huh
What's so hard for you to understand Bents?
Last year they were clearly on this dodgy program, 2nd half the year they had more injuries than I had omelettes so I think you could make an argument for to say their dodgy supplement program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of the season. All I said was an argument could be made, didnn't say I agreed or didn't just raised a point
And how would any of us know what benefit if any has this program from 12 months ago given them this year. We don't
Which bit isn't clear enough for you :huh
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
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id like someone to now argue that Bombers arent more scum and pathetic than the blues. Gone past them in a massive way
That club makes me sick in every way and i cant wait till round 23 to yell out drug cheats from my seat
I sledged Hird after they were thrashed by Sydney as he walked through the members stand about 2 metres away from me, I stared him right in his beady little eyes and he looked like he was going to cry and I LMFAO and LMFAO and LMFAO
Classic gerks. Would expect nothing less from you either. :clapping
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The question is did they cheat - not did the cheating work
I'd argue that last years program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of last year
As i said above seriously how would any of us really know?
:huh
What's so hard for you to understand Bents?
Last year they were clearly on this dodgy program, 2nd half the year they had more injuries than I had omelettes so I think you could make an argument for to say their dodgy supplement program didn't help them much in the 2nd half of the season. All I said was an argument could be made, didnn't say I agreed or didn't just raised a point
And how would any of us know what benefit if any has this program from 12 months ago given them this year. We don't
Which bit isn't clear enough for you :huh
My friend you could say they pumped themselves full of gear until they popped. Bodies broken down too much too soon...
The weapon shot hit load!
Or just bad luck those injuries?
sendon assistant coach Mark Thompson has finally conceded the club's high injury toll is "unacceptable" as the Bombers change a number of training methods to stem the bleeding.
The Bombers were belted by Hawthorn last Friday night with a host of key players, including Michael Hurley, Paddy Ryder and David Zaharakis, on the sidelines.
Round 14 - as at 00:00 AM, 30/06/13
It has been reported that Essendon, who have been touchy on the injury topic in 2012, have suffered 25 soft-tissue injuries this season.
The finger has been pointed at their manager of high performance Dean Robinson.
The man known as 'The Weapon' flogged the Bombers during a torturous pre-season campaign. [jab jab jab]
After a bright start, the Bombers are now reeling, having lost three of their past four matches by 71, 67 and 94 points.
Thompson, the former Geelong coach, was pushed on the matter on AFL 360 on Monday night.
"We're not happy with it," Thompson said.
"We knew there would be some pain. Unfortunately there's been too much pain."
The Bombers are likely to regain Hurley for this week's AAMI Stadium clash against Adelaide Crows.
Thompson said talented big man Ryder was the most important absentee of those not on the park at the moment.
He said the Bombers were starting to train later in the week and had adjusted their post-match recovery to ease the pain.
"You go through little problems throughout the year and at the end of the year you do a review," Thompson said.
"We've looked at ways we can do things better. We can change three or four things."
Read more: http://www.stuff-thompson-concedes-the-bombers-high-injury-toll-is-unacceptable/story-e6frf3e3-1226439349623#ixzz2Xr785IYo
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally :thumbsup
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally :thumbsup
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
I agree 100%.
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally :thumbsup
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
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https://www.change.org/petitions/suspend-jobe-watson-captain-of-the-essendon-football-club :police:
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally :thumbsup
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
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missing the point wp, they cheated last year, whether they benefit from it or not is irrelevant(although imo they clearly are). If they cheated last year, then they should be banned from this season. Every game and result they have been involved in should be scrapped from the record book including percentage. That's the only way every side is on a level playing. The sides that beat them, good on them but tough luck in this case.
We are actually saying the same thing with regard to the points tony. I agree with you that their results for this year should be stripped away. Points, %, draft picks, everything! Whack them with a $2mil fine, don't allow them to participate in the draft, FA or trade period. They must be punished heavily and in an unprecedented fashion.
What I am arguing against is giving their points (currently 40- 10 wins) to the sides they have beaten this year. That just isn't right nor is it right (and this is where we differ) to take away the 4 points away from those teams have legitimately beaten them.
suppose I am applying what the NRL did to Storm when they whacked them for salary cap rorting and think that is the fairest way to go considering we are more than half way into a season :thumbsup
yeah I see what you're saying wp, just don't agree on that one particular point personally :thumbsup
This is just opinion but its pretty clear they broke down bc they went nuts with the growth program, heavy body building doesn't go with big running games like footy. But 12 months on when they have reached their goal size, they have tapered off the muscle gain and now reaping the rewards of their size and not paying with soft tissue injuries. I look at players like Hibberd and Carlisle and think 'no'. What should have taken 4 preseasons has taken them 2. Hence they are reaping the rewards now.
Carlisle and Hibberd went from rakes to beefcakes in 6 months. If the Bombers get away with this I'll dig up some DNA from 16th century bubonic plague victims in London and sprinkle over Hirdy's office in Tulla.
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Doesn't AOD help with injuries? Would think that has helped them this year.
But I agree with WP regarding points. Strip the bombers of everything but don't give points to the losers.