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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 11, 2013, 01:18:04 AM
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Richmond are also expected to have compensation selections for the loss of Matt White and Luke McGuane, however uncertainty remains as to whether Richmond apply to have them bundled together for one pick that would be higher than as to what it would be for single selections per player.
Compensation selections will be allocated on Friday October 18th at the conclusion of the free agency period.
After the 18th, there is still one week remaining of the trade period and compensation selections can be traded between clubs.
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So what are everybody's thoughts on what would be fair compo for losing both Whitey and McGuane?
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Bundle them together and IMHO you have more chance of getting a 2nd rounder
Want a pick for each I reckon you get a 3rd or 4th round for each
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Bundle them
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Bundle them together.
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Meal deal please, always good value :thumbsup
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Bundle them together and IMHO you have more chance of getting a 2nd rounder
Want a pick for each I reckon you get a 3rd or 4th round for each
x 2
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Bundle them together and IMHO you have more chance of getting a 2nd rounder
Want a pick for each I reckon you get a 3rd or 4th round for each
The blokes at the club probably have a solid idea on what to expect and reckon you're right about the second. Could be why we so easily handed over 28. So we pick up our man at the cost of a handful of draft positions. By that stage it's more often drafting for need so probably a good chance our target could still be on the table.
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Bundle them together and IMHO you have more chance of getting a 2nd rounder
Want a pick for each I reckon you get a 3rd or 4th round for each
The blokes at the club probably have a solid idea on what to expect and reckon you're right about the second. Could be why we so easily handed over 28. So we pick up our man at the cost of a handful of draft positions. By that stage it's more often drafting for need so probably a good chance our target could still be on the table.
I have no doubt that has occurred
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bundle and hope for the best
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Isn't there only a few bands of compo
1 middle first round (following your pick)
2 end first round
3 middle second round (following your pick)
4 end second round
5 third round
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Whitey's contract length and $$$ should return a second rounder of some description on its own
McGuane likely bottom rung
We could bundle them and get the pick straight after the one we traded
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Isn't there only a few bands of compo
1 middle first round (following your pick)
2 end first round
3 middle second round (following your pick)
4 end second round
5 third round
???
Whitey's contract length and $$$ should return a second rounder of some description on its own
McGuane likely bottom rung
We could bundle them and get the pick straight after the one we traded
The compo has 5 bands and they are:
• 1st round (following your pick)
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round (following your pick)
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round (following your pick)
Not necessarily in the middle of the rounds, as it is tied to your finishing position. So for Hawthorn, their compo for Buddy will be a 1st round pick, but as they are Premiers it is effectively an end of 1st round pick anyway.
I'm not going to get my hopes up, but an end of 2nd round for the both would be a great result. If we get a 2nd round one (following our pick that was traded) then we have won the lottery.
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Yeah that's what i said without saying it like that ;D
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Yeah that's what i said without saying it like that ;D
Pretty much :rollin
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Yeah that's what i said without saying it like that ;D
Pretty much :rollin
Any chance you can say it all again both versions :rollin :jump
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Bundle them together and IMHO you have more chance of getting a 2nd rounder
Want a pick for each I reckon you get a 3rd or 4th round for each
They will get added up if Luke goes and we don't bring in anyone.
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McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?
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McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?
he's a couple of k's past the big banana
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McGuane hasn't gone yet. Any news on the progress?
:pray
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Free agency compensation selections are based on the net result of players coming and going from clubs.
Last year when Port Adelaide lost two players as free agents - Danyle Pearce and Troy Chaplin - it was rewarded with two second-round compensation picks.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/dockers-keeping-gumbleton-waiting-20131013-2vgsv.html
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You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
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You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
I think that's a little ambitious. Will be lucky to get an end of 2nd round for both.
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You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.
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If McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?
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:rollin
If McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?
McGuane has to Friday to sign with Brisbane if we are to get anything for him.
After that he'll become a delisted free agent and we will get nothing at all for him.
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You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.
Thanks for giving me your opinion on who are the better footballers and for pointing out that your address does in fact include Earth, now I'll try and answer based on my original post.
1. At no point did I say we would get a better selection than Port but I did say we might get a 2nd and a 3rd rounder or even a single 1st rounder if we combined them. Last time I checked, 2 x 2nd rounders beats a 2nd and a 3rd and it is impossible to quantify the winner out of 1 x 1st vs 2 x 2nds until a few years in hindsight but I suppose the exalted ones who breathe the rarefied air of "reality" are more fortunate than most of us plebs.
2. Compensation is based on 2 criteria:
COMPENSATION
A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.
The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:
1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.
Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.
Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:
• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round
In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency (http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency)
So based on the criteria, Port got their picks for 26 yr old Pearce's 3 yr contract and 26 yr old Chaplin's 4 year contract. Our compensation will be based on 26 yr old White's 3yr contract and 26 yr old McGuane's contract if he receives one. Given the poor form that Pearce had displayed in his last 2 seasons at Port and their reluctance to offer any more than a 2 year contract I doubt that his contract would be vastly superior to White's offer, especially based on White's good form in his latest season so I believe those 2 would almost cancel out. McGuane will not get a contract as good as Chaplin and that is what I base my opinion in the eventual outcome on - a 2nd rounder for Chaplin vs a 3rd rounder for McGuane. And then when I said a 1st rounder (and I meant end of 1st round) if combined, that is based on nothing else than it is impossible to combine 2nd round picks and improve without going to a 1st round pick.
So I'll stick by my opinion as I know it was based on reasonable assumptions and I'll politely decline your offer to join you in the "real world" if it involves having opinions grown solely from the soil of my own perceived superiority.
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Pearcey was a required player and he was good in 2012. Kenny just couldn't match the coin and was sad to see him go.
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Based on that, can I assume that the value of the contract as well as the length will determine compensation?
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:rollinIf McGuane delists himself and goes to Brisbane as a delisted FA do we still get compo, or only if he leaves our list directly/not delisted?
McGuane has to Friday to sign with Brisbane if we are to get anything for him.
After that he'll become a delisted free agent and we will get nothing at all for him.
We'll get nothing for him I suspect and maybe a third rounder for White. My prediction.
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Based on that, can I assume that the value of the contract as well as the length will determine compensation?
Yep. The age of the player, and value and length of the new contract only, no regard is paid to prior contracts, performance, awards etc.
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You would reckon we are in with a chance at a second and third round pick or maybe an end of first round if we ask to combine them.
But if you lived in the real world I'd say we would get a third rounder at best for them combined.
It makes me laugh at some posters over inflated opinions on our players as opposed to other clubs players.
Danyle Pearce is a much better player than White
Troy Chaplin is a much better player than McGaune
So how anyone thinks we will get a better selection than PA did last year is beyond me.
Thanks for giving me your opinion on who are the better footballers and for pointing out that your address does in fact include Earth, now I'll try and answer based on my original post.
1. At no point did I say we would get a better selection than Port but I did say we might get a 2nd and a 3rd rounder or even a single 1st rounder if we combined them. Last time I checked, 2 x 2nd rounders beats a 2nd and a 3rd and it is impossible to quantify the winner out of 1 x 1st vs 2 x 2nds until a few years in hindsight but I suppose the exalted ones who breathe the rarefied air of "reality" are more fortunate than most of us plebs.
2. Compensation is based on 2 criteria:
COMPENSATION
A club that has a net loss of players transferring to/from other clubs as free agents in one transfer period is entitled to compensation via National Draft picks allocated by the AFL.
The compensation formula produces a points rating for players based on:
1. The new contract of the free agent;
2. The age of the free agent.
Draft picks are allocated to clubs based on the net total points for free agents lost and gained during the transfer period.
Draft picks will be allocated to one of five places:
• 1st round
• end of 1st round
• 2nd round
• end of 2nd round
• 3rd round
In applying the formula, an expert committee reviews the formula outcomes. The committee has the power to recommend alternative outcomes to GM – Football Operations where the formula produces a materially anomalous result.
http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency (http://www.afl.com.au/afl-hq/the-afl-explained/free-agency)
So based on the criteria, Port got their picks for 26 yr old Pearce's 3 yr contract and 26 yr old Chaplin's 4 year contract. Our compensation will be based on 26 yr old White's 3yr contract and 26 yr old McGuane's contract if he receives one. Given the poor form that Pearce had displayed in his last 2 seasons at Port and their reluctance to offer any more than a 2 year contract I doubt that his contract would be vastly superior to White's offer, especially based on White's good form in his latest season so I believe those 2 would almost cancel out. McGuane will not get a contract as good as Chaplin and that is what I base my opinion in the eventual outcome on - a 2nd rounder for Chaplin vs a 3rd rounder for McGuane. And then when I said a 1st rounder (and I meant end of 1st round) if combined, that is based on nothing else than it is impossible to combine 2nd round picks and improve without going to a 1st round pick.
So I'll stick by my opinion as I know it was based on reasonable assumptions and I'll politely decline your offer to join you in the "real world" if it involves having opinions grown solely from the soil of my own perceived superiority.
Do you think the longer the post the more important it becomes? It doesn't!
How you think a second and third rounder combined becomes a first rounder is a reasonable assumption is beyond me and probably most people who can add. And trying to baffle people with long winded posts to try and sound smart is boring.
What's even more stupid is thinking White is worth a second round draft pick.
Nothing superior about my opinion just a little common sense.
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Think The White contract value will have a bit of influence on what we end up getting compo wise for White ;D
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My guess is a combined pick of early third or late second.
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looks like mcguane wont be signing with Brisbane before Fridays deadline which means we'll get sweet FA for him and just get compo for white
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The Tigers are hopeful rather than expectant of a quality compensation pick as a replacement for the pair when those selections are allocated after the first period of free agency expires on Friday.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-set-to-trade-or-delist-small-forward-robin-nahas/story-fndv8t7m-1226740438268#mm-breached
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How you think a second and third rounder combined becomes a first rounder is a reasonable assumption is beyond me and probably most people who can add.
2+3=5 so we get a 5th rounder?
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1x3rd round draft pick is what we will get for White and McGuane I heard
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1x3rd round draft pick is what we will get for White and McGuane I heard
McGuane is out of the mix now so a 3rd rounder for White is about right I recon.........
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Yep no compo for McGuane as the Lions will wait until after Friday when he becomes a delisted free agent.
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So why doesn't the club offer McGuane a small 1 year contract to force Brisbane's hand into taking him in the trade period? Surely it's not going to matter to them when they sign him as I don't see what he will be offered would be dependant on any other signings? If he becomes a delisted free agent doesn't he then have to enter the draft to be picked up, taking the risk (not much granted) that another club could take him?
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nah, pretty sure there is another period where delisted free agents can be signed before the draft.
the risk in offering him a one year contract is he may accept it.
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So why doesn't the club offer McGuane a small 1 year contract to force Brisbane's hand into taking him in the trade period? Surely it's not going to matter to them when they sign him as I don't see what he will be offered would be dependant on any other signings? If he becomes a delisted free agent doesn't he then have to enter the draft to be picked up, taking the risk (not much granted) that another club could take him?
But they offered him a new contract before the end of the season and he knocked it back
No point in offering him a contract as he's decided he wants out. Besides we can offer but he needs to sign, clearly he isn't going to do that, so just let him go and we move on
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the risk in offering him a one year contract is he may accept it.
*shudder*
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The free agency window closes at 2 pm on Friday.
The trading period has been held up in recent days by clubs waiting to confirm what picks they will receive as compensation for free agents. The decision on compensation for free agents will be revealed after the 2 pm free-agency deadline.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/bombers-and-saints-keen-to-entice-longer-20131017-2vpt9.html
So we'll find out later today what compo pick we'll be receiving in return for losing Matty White as a free agent.
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Jon Ralph in the Herald-Sun reckons we'll only get pick 47 as compo :P.
RICHMOND
Lost: Matthew White to Port Adelaide on a three-year deal at around $300,000 a season.
Gets: White is on modest cash and is 26, so Richmond will probably receive nothing, or at best a third-round pick, likely to be pick 47. Luke McGuane is going to Brisbane but hasn’t been signed as a free agent yet so they get nothing for him.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/afl-set-to-review-free-agency-rules-including-the-scrapping-of-compensation-picks/story-fnelctok-1226741954155
If Whitey is hardly worth anything then why are Port signing him up for 3 years ::).
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Pick 47 is about right for White. He hasnt done much in his career IMHO.
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What a complete cock up is this FA rubbish!!!!
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What benefit does the Lions get for signing after Friday rather than before other than to screw us over?
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What benefit does the Lions get for signing after Friday rather than before other than to screw us over?
None as far as I know, expect for the ability to not sign him until the last minute in November, keeping their options open. Luke will look a bit silly if they pick someone else up in the interim and renege on their deal (if there is one on the table) because then he will have to nominate for the draft.
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Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane twitter:
AFL has determined free agency compensation selections for clubs at end of free agency period today and notified clubs late this afternoon.
Collingwood - Rd 1 compensation pick for loss of Dale Thomas.
Hawthorn - Rd 1 compensation pick for loss of Lance Franklin.
Melbourne - Rd 2 compensation pick, loss of Colin Sylvia.
St Kilda - Rd 2 compensation pick, loss of Nick Dal Santo.
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Eh?
Nothing for white?
What croc of crap
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Patrick Keane @AFL_PKeane 8s
Richmond - No compensation for loss of M White,due to offer / player age.
Hawthorn - No compensation for loss of X Ellis,due to offer / age.
WTF? :P
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AFL is a joke but this is beyond the joke bit >:(
Cheating pig-dog scum fat pricks
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Matty White is still only 26. If he's that "old" then why did Port give him a 3-year contract! ::)
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Younger than farkering Sylvia
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what an absolute stuffen joke, Im bloody ropable over this I was expecting a r2 , at worst r3...talk about an injustice :banghead
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You can't realistically be any younger than 26 to be a restricted free agent because you can't get drafted until you are almost 18. It must work against you being younger but I would have thought it should work for you - the younger the player you lose, the more valuable he was because of potential years of service left. He must have gone to Port for peanuts is all I can think because that doesn't fit with other compo picks in the past.
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o compensation for loss of M White,due to offer / player age.
Cause he was not offered 9 years only 3? :banghead
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Smokey, Port offered White 3-years on $300k p.a.
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Get a grip- Matt White couldn't even get a regular game in our starting 18 this year. And we still have some very average players doing so.
Age has nothing to do with it, he simply isn't much chop.
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You can't realistically be any younger than 26 to be a restricted free agent because you can't get drafted until you are almost 18. It must work against you being younger but I would have thought it should work for you - the younger the player you lose, the more valuable he was because of potential years of service left. He must have gone to Port for peanuts is all I can think because that doesn't fit with other compo picks in the past.
Smoke, you have been on fire in this thread! :thumbsup
I wish you were doing the compo for us for the White loss, we would have Boyd for sure. :cheers
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Get a grip- Matt White couldn't even get a regular game in our starting 18 this year. And we still have some very average players doing so.
Age has nothing to do with it, he simply isn't much chop.
But the AFL said the reason was due White's age :huh.
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Smokey, Port offered White 3-years on $300k p.a.
So age must have a much bigger impact than we think or else it just doesn't make sense. What do you think Sylvia and Del Santo would be on at their new clubs? Both signed 3 year deals and my guess would be Sylvia ~$450k per year and Del Santo maybe $550k. Sylvia is 27 and Del Santo is 29 yet both are R2 compo picks so you would think they can't be too far apart in $$'s. The more I think about it the more it just doesn't gel with the criteria the AFL use.
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So which pick did we end up paying for The Hampster? It started out as Pick 28 ..... did it end up as 34-ish?
Still nothing to write home about ......
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You can't realistically be any younger than 26 to be a restricted free agent because you can't get drafted until you are almost 18. It must work against you being younger but I would have thought it should work for you - the younger the player you lose, the more valuable he was because of potential years of service left. He must have gone to Port for peanuts is all I can think because that doesn't fit with other compo picks in the past.
Smoke, you have been on fire in this thread! :thumbsup
I wish you were doing the compo for us for the White loss, we would have Boyd for sure. :cheers
Yeah, I got the pick wrong big time but I'm having a hard time reconciling it with what the AFL state as their criteria against all the picks handed out. If it is as the say, based purely on value of the new contract and players age then they must put a much higher premium on the older age and I honestly thought it would be the other way around. And it makes even less sense if that is the case when I can't see Sylvia being on the same money as Dal Santo plus Del Santo is 2 year older.
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You can't realistically be any younger than 26 to be a restricted free agent because you can't get drafted until you are almost 18. It must work against you being younger but I would have thought it should work for you - the younger the player you lose, the more valuable he was because of potential years of service left. He must have gone to Port for peanuts is all I can think because that doesn't fit with other compo picks in the past.
Smoke, you have been on fire in this thread! :thumbsup
I wish you were doing the compo for us for the White loss, we would have Boyd for sure. :cheers
Yeah, I got the pick wrong big time but I'm having a hard time reconciling it with what the AFL state as their criteria against all the picks handed out. If it is as the say, based purely on value of the new contract and players age then they must put a much higher premium on the older age and I honestly thought it would be the other way around. And it makes even less sense if that is the case when I can't see Sylvia being on the same money as Dal Santo plus Del Santo is 2 year older.
Agreed, not much logic.
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So which pick did we end up paying for The Hampster? It started out as Pick 28 ..... did it end up as 34-ish?
Still nothing to write home about ......
It moved down 4 spots to pick 32.
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just makes us giving away our pick for hampster even worse. In reality White and McGuane werent worth anything. Deep down we all knew that anyway.
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Smokey, Port offered White 3-years on $300k p.a.
So age must have a much bigger impact than we think or else it just doesn't make sense. What do you think Sylvia and Del Santo would be on at their new clubs? Both signed 3 year deals and my guess would be Sylvia ~$450k per year and Del Santo maybe $550k. Sylvia is 27 and Del Santo is 29 yet both are R2 compo picks so you would think they can't be too far apart in $$'s. The more I think about it the more it just doesn't gel with the criteria the AFL use.
My only guess Smokey is they really judged it on the criteria of games played and stats over their respective careers. The age argument used by the AFL makes no sense as White is the youngest.
White - 16 games in 2013 at 12.6 disposals. Career: 105 games at 12.3 disp. ( 8 years)
Sylvia - 19 games in 2013 at 19.4 disposals. Career: 157 games at 17.2 disp. (10 years)
Dal Santo - 22 games in 2013 at 24.8 disposals. Career: 260 games at 22.5 disp. (12 years)
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Richmond needs to guarantee itself a decent pick in the first round. This year could be a disaster draft and trade wise. Club needs to try and upgrade its pick in the first round next week and get itself into the top 10. We could very well end up getting no good players in this years trade and draft effort.
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Haha age? Why not just tell the truth, he is a fringe player and not worth compo. How can he be too old when it is his 1st year eligible for FA?
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just makes us giving away our pick for hampster even worse. In reality White and McGuane werent worth anything. Deep down we all knew that anyway.
Can't argue with that
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just makes us giving away our pick for hampster even worse. In reality White and McGuane werent worth anything. Deep down we all knew that anyway.
Can't argue with that
you never agree with me on anything you been on the pee tonight or something HRT?
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If we are honest, White and McGuane are team mascots. White was the best in comp at running to the interchange bench but that won't help with an compo pick.
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If we are honest, White and McGuane are team mascots. White was the best in comp at running to the interchange bench but that won't help with an compo pick.
thats actually pretty right but on our forums the supporters are going ape droppings because the AFL didnt give us a pick. to be honest I think the club also expected a pick and thats why they gave our 2nd rounder to carlton.
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If we are honest, White and McGuane are team mascots. White was the best in comp at running to the interchange bench but that won't help with an compo pick.
thats actually pretty right but on our forums the supporters are going ape droppings because the AFL didnt give us a pick. to be honest I think the club also expected a pick and thats why they gave our 2nd rounder to carlton.
posted this exact thing elsewhere Ramps.
I think we scored an own goal too and completely shot ourselves in the foot.
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just makes us giving away our pick for hampster even worse. In reality White and McGuane werent worth anything. Deep down we all knew that anyway.
Yes but White is worth something.
We have shot ourselves!
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This is brilliant reading. is it too late to package Edwards & Grigg for Ablett.
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This is brilliant reading. is it too late to package Edwards & Grigg for Ablett.
It is great reading indeed!
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It's absolute stuffing rubbish!!!!
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Compo should be scrapped altogether IMO. Not fair everyone else shuffles along at least a spot because a player wants to play in different colours.
Feel a bit ripped that we didn't even get a token pick for White though when everyone else got something.
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I thought a third rounder would have been fair.
Scrap this compo IMO. Anybody leaving under FA has been there long enough to give good service anyway.
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Compo should be scrapped altogether IMO. Not fair everyone else shuffles along at least a spot because a player wants to play in different colours.
Feel a bit ripped that we didn't even get a token pick for White though when everyone else got something.
Absolutely agree
How the work out who gets what is baffling to say the least, coupled with the fact that they just plonk the pick where a clubs sits in the draft is laughable to.
And BTW I wouldn't think Compared to what White was probably on at the RFc that his deal at Port is "peanuts"
The only peanuts in this discussion are the brain sizes of the those at HQS making these bizarre decisions ;D
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Compo should be scrapped altogether IMO. Not fair everyone else shuffles along at least a spot because a player wants to play in different colours.
Feel a bit ripped that we didn't even get a token pick for White though when everyone else got something.
Absolutely agree
How the work out who gets what is baffling to say the least, coupled with the fact that they just plonk the pick where a clubs sits in the draft is laughable to.
And BTW I wouldn't think Compared to what White was probably on at the RFc that his deal at Port is "peanuts"
The only peanuts in this discussion are the brain sizes of the those at HQS making these bizarre decisions ;D
White has always been an average player. Most of us have wanted him to be delisted every year for the last 5 or 6 years at least. He wasnt worth anything and thats what we got. Nuffin!
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Compo should be scrapped altogether IMO. Not fair everyone else shuffles along at least a spot because a player wants to play in different colours.
Feel a bit ripped that we didn't even get a token pick for White though when everyone else got something.
Absolutely agree
How the work out who gets what is baffling to say the least, coupled with the fact that they just plonk the pick where a clubs sits in the draft is laughable to.
And BTW I wouldn't think Compared to what White was probably on at the RFc that his deal at Port is "peanuts"
The only peanuts in this discussion are the brain sizes of the those at HQS making these bizarre decisions ;D
White has always been an average player. Most of us have wanted him to be delisted every year for the last 5 or 6 years at least. He wasnt worth anything and thats what we got. Nuffin!
Fair enough ramps but the entire compo system is a joke.
C'wood gets a better pick for Thomas than the hawks do for Franklin because the pies finished lower is a joke. That Melb got 2 compo picks for Scully granted under a different rule makes it even more laughable
If the comp wants true FA (warts and all) then the compo system goes and clubs all of them suffer the pain of what Free Agency in other sports is like
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This is Peggy's 1st blunder as being President if she lets the AFL rob us of a compo pick when other clubs are getting compo picks for lost players. Free Agency will be scraped after this year cause its robbing clubs. :banghead Richmond always get raped
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Oh they knew what they were doing alright. Keeping us down, helping the cheating clubs like Melbourne and Carltank up, and of course their darlings the Magpies.
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This is Peggy's 1st blunder as being President if she lets the AFL rob us of a compo pick when other clubs are getting compo picks for lost players. Free Agency will be scraped after this year cause its robbing clubs. :banghead Richmond always get raped
has sweet stuff all to do with the Prez my friend. if anything Benny g would have read the riot act on hearing the news...we have bigger fish to fry and aint going to lose our poo over this. my mail is the league considers us that much of an emerging threat that any further assistance may be improper. an im inclined to agree :cheers
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Compo should be scrapped altogether IMO. Not fair everyone else shuffles along at least a spot because a player wants to play in different colours.
Feel a bit ripped that we didn't even get a token pick for White though when everyone else got something.
Absolutely agree
How the work out who gets what is baffling to say the least, coupled with the fact that they just plonk the pick where a clubs sits in the draft is laughable to.
And BTW I wouldn't think Compared to what White was probably on at the RFc that his deal at Port is "peanuts"
The only peanuts in this discussion are the brain sizes of the those at HQS making these bizarre decisions ;D
White has always been an average player. Most of us have wanted him to be delisted every year for the last 5 or 6 years at least. He wasnt worth anything and thats what we got. Nuffin!
Fair enough ramps but the entire compo system is a joke.
C'wood gets a better pick for Thomas than the hawks do for Franklin because the pies finished lower is a joke. That Melb got 2 compo picks for Scully granted under a different rule makes it even more laughable
If the comp wants true FA (warts and all) then the compo system goes and clubs all of them suffer the pain of what Free Agency in other sports is like
Of course its a joke and its a joke because its a double dip. Example Scully. Melbourne got Scully- they tanked to get him and Trengove. Anyway Scully was going downhill at a rate of knots and certainly not performing as a top 10 should. GWS get stupid and sign Scully on free agency. Melbourne from having a first shot at getting a good player and stuffing up then get compo - 2 picks for Scully. In effect Melbourne have had 3 rolls of the dice. Of course its a joke. Goddard leaves St Kilda, Goddard was a star for St Kilda for many years, he leaves maybe with3 or 4 years left in his Career- St Kilda having used him up for years then St Kilda gets another top pick in the draft for Goddard - in effect the chance to get another quality 10 year player when Goddard would have been out of the system in 3 or so years at St Kilda instead they get another roll of the dice the whole thing is a farce.
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[conspiracy hat]Reckon they used us as guinea pigs to gauge the fan reaction for no compo in the afl as of next season. They know tiger supporters are an emotional bunch, so if there is going to be a fan revolt it would be us, and even if they poo on us we are loyal so no damage[/conspiracy hat]
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Richmond went hard and early and got the man they wanted.As for compo picks ,gotta a gut feeling Tiges knew they would get twiddly twit
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[conspiracy hat]Reckon they used us as guinea pigs to gauge the fan reaction for no compo in the afl as of next season. They know tiger supporters are an emotional bunch, so if there is going to be a fan revolt it would be us, and even if they poo on us we are loyal so no damage[/conspiracy hat]
what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
what else is a realistic option?
start a petition?
death threats to vlad?
there is no way for richmond fans to report anger :banghead :banghead
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what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
Chicken is an old fave and has always got a reaction when used in the past.
:whistle
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what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
what else is a realistic option?
start a petition?
death threats to vlad?
there is no way for richmond fans to report anger :banghead :banghead
It's too late for that, the cause has already been lost.
The club needs to learn how to play the PR better, the press line should have been along the lines of being 'devastated' at the loss of White, an 'integral' player to our 5th placed side, but we will 'do our best' with the compensation given to us by the AFL. 3 or 4 days of consecutive press releases and a pumping this message out in every door stop interview. We will be getting compensation for Matthew White. This is where Hawthorn missed out with Buddy, they were too nice about it all and ended up with pick 19.
If you create hope amongst your own supporters, you can hijack the AFL into favourable decisions, this is how Collingwood get given 1st round picks and get to write their own fixture every year.
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what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
what else is a realistic option?
start a petition?
death threats to vlad?
there is no way for richmond fans to report anger :banghead :banghead
It's too late for that, the cause has already been lost.
The club needs to learn how to play the PR better, the press line should have been along the lines of being 'devastated' at the loss of White, an 'integral' player to our 5th placed side, but we will 'do our best' with the compensation given to us by the AFL. 3 or 4 days of consecutive press releases and a pumping this message out in every door stop interview. We will be getting compensation for Matthew White. This is where Hawthorn missed out with Buddy, they were too nice about it all and ended up with pick 19.
If you create hope amongst your own supporters, you can hijack the AFL into favourable decisions, this is how Collingwood get given 1st round picks and get to write their own fixture every year.
Here here
U forgot about their away strip that they decide not the AFL
They do create their own luck though. I mean Dawes, Wellingham what spuds
The RFC create their own problems and it doesn't get any bigger that they believed they would get a second rounder for those 2.
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what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
what else is a realistic option?
start a petition?
death threats to vlad?
there is no way for richmond fans to report anger :banghead :banghead
It's too late for that, the cause has already been lost.
The club needs to learn how to play the PR better, the press line should have been along the lines of being 'devastated' at the loss of White, an 'integral' player to our 5th placed side, but we will 'do our best' with the compensation given to us by the AFL. 3 or 4 days of consecutive press releases and a pumping this message out in every door stop interview. We will be getting compensation for Matthew White. This is where Hawthorn missed out with Buddy, they were too nice about it all and ended up with pick 19.
If you create hope amongst your own supporters, you can hijack the AFL into favourable decisions, this is how Collingwood get given 1st round picks and get to write their own fixture every year.
Why should the club have to resort to this?
Why is the playing field notlevel without the requirement of a properganda department?
Really - do we require human rights lawyers and spin doctor for a bloody third round pick for a best 22 player :banghead
Who signed athree year contract with a top 8 side
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what are the channels of reporting our displeasure?
cow poo at AFL house?
what else is a realistic option?
start a petition?
death threats to vlad?
there is no way for richmond fans to report anger :banghead :banghead
It's too late for that, the cause has already been lost.
The club needs to learn how to play the PR better, the press line should have been along the lines of being 'devastated' at the loss of White, an 'integral' player to our 5th placed side, but we will 'do our best' with the compensation given to us by the AFL. 3 or 4 days of consecutive press releases and a pumping this message out in every door stop interview. We will be getting compensation for Matthew White. This is where Hawthorn missed out with Buddy, they were too nice about it all and ended up with pick 19.
If you create hope amongst your own supporters, you can hijack the AFL into favourable decisions, this is how Collingwood get given 1st round picks and get to write their own fixture every year.
That's a really good point. Got to get the propaganda machine in full swing, the AFL operates on perception above substance. Help nudge the call in our favour.
Look at the pies - adams for Shaw. Shaw has been an agrader no doubt, but has been exposed this season and has 2-3 years of top standard footy left max, Adams is an elite young talent who is already performing and is expected to have another 10+ years of elite performances. Yet nearly everyday I saw media reports stating a straight swap for Shaw and Adams would be reasonable and fair, no doubt thaqt has come from the pies sources to every journo on the books! Subsequently that perception has become the industry agreed value amongst the 'scribes'
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This is Peggy's 1st blunder as being President if she lets the AFL rob us of a compo pick when other clubs are getting compo picks for lost players. Free Agency will be scraped after this year cause its robbing clubs. :banghead
Has got nothing to do with the prez how our footy dept trades. We are not the first club not to get compo picks
Secondly, free agency isn't going anywhere because the AFLPA now demands it. Personally I hate it and i am against it but it's here now and it ain't going anywhere
What will go and should go is this farcical compo system.
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lol at you people who think the President is not the most important player in the club. Have a look around at the strings other Presidents pull. Other strong clubs don't get walked over by the AFL. l stated it wrong above as it was meant to be compo picks abolished as you stated WP.