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Football => View from the Outer => Topic started by: Francois Jackson on November 01, 2013, 12:12:06 PM
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Anyone know anything about this
if true its so funny i dont know where to start. Not about the guy getting sacked about what a pathetic club they are.
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Where is the rumor coming from?
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Not a rumour, it's true.
Chooco to coach the 'Aints?
Makes sense.
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From AFL web-site:
Watters sacked by Saints
Ashley Browne November 1, 2013 12:05 PM
ST KILDA coach Scott Watters is believed to have been sacked by the club.
Watters is believed to have been told his fate shortly after 11am on Friday morning in a meeting at the club.
He was coach for two seasons but 2013 was a poor season for the club with just five wins and reports of rifts between Watters and both senior players and the club's management.
Former Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams, head of development at Richmond this year, is the strong favourite to be his replacement.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-01/watters-sacked-by-saints
Ed Note: I think he was on SEN this morning with Tim & Andy
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One line statement on the Saints web-site confirmiong they have parted ways
President to make a statement this arvo
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Former Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams, head of development at Richmond this year, is the strong favourite to be his replacement.
That sucks.
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Bloody rabble get yr filthy fingers out of our Choc
Edited for avoiding the swear filter
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Ed Note: I think he was on SEN this morning with Tim & Andy
he was and going by what the Age was reporting 2 hours ago, Watters said he was safe in his job, had no issues with Pelchen etc
2-3 hours is a long time at St Kilda ;D
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hahahaha get rid of the entire club they are a disgrace.
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where's Vossy
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hahahaha get rid of the entire club they are a disgrace.
Seriously though, a week before they commence pre-season they sack their coach.
They traded in players (eg Savage, Longer) after said players met with now sacked coach and buy into what said now sacked coach spruiked to them
What a rabble
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The Geisch is looking for a new job ;D
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Will they get a compensation pick for him?
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The Geisch is looking for a new job ;D
:pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :lol
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Brett Anderson @BrettAndersonIF twitter:
"Watters went against club orders not to speak to radio this morning then lied that he had the OK from the club. It was the final straw. #AFL"
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AFL web-site saying Choco Williams is the favourite for Aints job
While over at the HUN they are saying Robert Harvey
Me, I'll wait to see what Caro says ;D
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
So it appears the Aints havent got a replacement lined up
Reckon they will be going after lots of blokes. Not sure how many would want the job
Perhaps they should bring back Grant Thomas ;D
Or make big Nick :'( Reiwoldt Captain-Coach ;D
The possibilities are endless :rollin
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where's Vossy
Punt Road :pray
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I vote for Steven Milne
Edit: Can't even say the text removed in jest as it's before the courts and puts OER at legal risk.
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Sacked St Kilda coach Scott Watters was doomed after extension was denied.
In truth it was a decision that had been building for the last six weeks of the season, influenced by poor relationships with players, assistant coaches and the board.
So what went wrong for this coach, who gave a presentation two years ago that blew away St Kilda's selection panel?
Many things, but in attempting to take control of this club he put too many noses out of joint.
Assistant coaches said he began taking every facet of training, effectively selecting the team by himself, and all but abandoning match committee at times.
Players who wondered if he had the match-day nous were enraged when he smashed them with a tirade about culture after they lit a dwarf on fire during Mad Monday.
They deserved condemnation and honest truths, but there is no doubt he lost players there and then.
Could he have got them back?
When those who had doubts came from Nick Riewoldt down, probably not.
St Kilda players who had achieved plenty under Ross Lyon felt he gave them no credit for their achievements in that time, as he attempted to rid the club of Lyon's tactics and legacy.
The whispering campaign became stronger as assistants, football managers and development coaches left the club.
Sources within St Kilda were telling the Herald Sun that they held Watters responsible for that exodus.
Read more at: http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/sacked-st-kilda-coach-scott-watters-was-doomed-after-extension-was-denied/story-fndv7pj3-1226751265036
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
So it appears the Aints havent got a replacement lined up
Reckon they will be going after lots of blokes. Not sure how many would want the job
Perhaps they should bring back Grant Thomas ;D
Or make big Nick :'( Reiwoldt Captain-Coach ;D
The possibilities are endless :rollin
i like Choc dont get me wrong but if we lose him and they pick him without searching other candidates then they are more stupid than i thought.
Choco cant help that club. If Blight failed what chance does Choc have. The club is a cancer on the AFL and footballing public and its times like i feel sorry for Lions supporters. IMO the AFL got rid of the wrong club.
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
So it appears the Aints havent got a replacement lined up
Reckon they will be going after lots of blokes. Not sure how many would want the job
Perhaps they should bring back Grant Thomas ;D
Or make big Nick :'( Reiwoldt Captain-Coach ;D
The possibilities are endless :rollin
They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
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choco and leppich would be a large lose >:(
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choco and leppich would be a large lose >:(
we could replace them pretty easily
nick lower and aaron davey are available
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Thomas voices Saints’ culture concerns
Matt Thompson
afl.com.au
November 1, 2013 2:44 PM
FORMER St Kilda coach Grant Thomas has questioned the culture of the club following the sacking of Scott Watters.
Watters, who'd been at the helm for two seasons, was dismissed on Friday morning.
Thomas said St Kilda had developed a tendency to "push success away," while admitting he's was unsure of the reasons for the decision to remove Watters.
"It's a cultural thing, and people hate that word, but I'm telling you I've had a long association with the St Kilda footy club that dates back to 1974," Thomas told AFL.com.au.
"I think I understand the place as well as anyone and we make these decisions on a monotonously regular basis and we become the laughing stock."
"We've either made poor decisions in terminations or poor decisions in appointments," Thomas said.
"All I will say is that St Kilda tends to make more of these decisions than most other elite AFL clubs."
While Thomas is not currently involved in AFL, the controversial ex- coach close maintains close connections to key people at St Kilda.
Watters departure follows the recent resignation of chief executive Michael Nettlefold and assistant coach Dean Laidley's exit on Thursday.
Thomas said the inability of the club to retain key players in recent years also concerned him.
"Significant players from Luke Ball, Brendon Goddard, Matt Maguire, McEvoy, DalSanto, these sort of guys, who'd all still be playing in the team, are no longer playing in the team," Thomas said.
"Those decisions concern me, but they only concern me because… I have a different view on how a successful, professional, respected AFL club is run," he said.
"It doesn't mean I'm right; I could be completely wrong."
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-01/thomas-voices-saints-culture-concerns
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They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
Agree about the mess Lyon left the place in, 100% spot on there
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They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
Agree about the mess Lyon left the place in, 100% spot on there
Lyon? He's not list manager. He also has a coaching system that gets the best out of a playing group. Saints would still be in the 8 if Rossco was there. Goddard, Dal Santo & McEvoy would still be there too.
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They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
Agree about the mess Lyon left the place in, 100% spot on there
does it really matter how he left the place. Really?
A metre away from a GF win.
Got nothing to do with players attitiude, school girls, court cases, or the fact they are a complete rabble of an organization.
Thats a mess they create themselves.
What was the excuse in dropping thomas and blight again?
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And Danny Frawley had nothing to do with list management either
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Or Wallet
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yes they did
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we could replace them pretty easily
nick lower and aaron davey are available
lol , why not hey Gerks ? We've already got the guru Andrew McQualter
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Every time I saw Watters on a program or heard him on a show I always thought him a toolbag. Appears that was the case.
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First Mark Neeld and now Scotty Watters, Metal Mickys disciples never worked out what works for Micky ain't going to cut it when you have their standing in the game.
Be interesting to see if it works for Micky of the Blues can't get it together and finish in top 4 next year.
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we could replace them pretty easily
nick lower and aaron davey are available
lol , why not hey Gerks ? We've already got the guru Andrew McQualter
exactly and don't forget max bailey
rfc warehousing more coaching talent than a concentration camp, whoa
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hahahaha get rid of the entire club they are a disgrace.
People in glass houses shouldn't walk around in the nude
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St Kilda president Peter Summers dodges questions about Saints involved in Scott Watters sacking
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
November 01, 2013 4:41PM
ST KILDA has dodged questions over the role of captain Nick Riewoldt in the sacking of coach Scott Watters.
Watters left the club in shock after his contract was terminated following an 8am board meeting today.
Club president Peter Summers denied a rift between Watters and the players or football boss Chris Pelchen was behind the move, which came three weeks after Summers declared Watters safe following an internal post-season review.
"I wouldn't like to talk about specifics or his (Riewoldt's) role in this," Summers said.
"I'd prefer not to talk about who was consulted or who wasn't consulted but Nick Riewoldt, Lenny Hayes and Leigh Montagna are champions of this football club and in the business of football and I'd prefer to leave it at that."
Former Hawthorn champion-turned-football commentator Dermott Brereton slammed St Kilda's decision to sack Scott Watters.
"It's a pathetic decision driven by a certain section in the football department that is cancerous," Brereton told SEN.
"There's a lot of people with blood on their hands tonight.
"They are the most poorly led from the top club. It is the blind leading the blind."
Brereton suggested Melbourne was miles ahead of St Kilda in terms of development and list management.
Meanwhile, the Saints are on leave and Summers said they have been informed of the decision.
He said Watters had been told the reasons for his sacking but they would remain confidential.
"There's been a lot of media focus on the two personalities (Watters and Pelchen) and honestly I think you've overplayed it," he said.
He said circumstances had changed since a post-season internal review that resulted in Watters and Pelchen holding their jobs; Summers said three weeks ago "overall his review is an endorsement that we have the right people in the right roles."
He said today: "We said what we feel at the time, but as it sinks in and as issues emerge then issues become clearer.
"In terms of the issues themselves we met with Scott his morning and we went through the reasons with Scott but they will remain confidential between Scott and ourselves."
St Kilda coach Scott Watters has been sensationally sacked by the club just hours after publically outlining his plans for 2014.
Summers said he hoped a new coach would be in place for the national draft on November 21.
"We have approached nobody," he said.
"Chris Pelchen, our head of football, has been in football a long time and he obviously has a fair idea of who he has in mind, and so would other board members."
Summers said he was not aware of a radio interview Watters gave this morning when the board met.
"It's part of our commitment as a board, we will do whatever we have to do for ultimate success.
"This club is going through a transition, and periods of transition need to be done with a strong sense of purpose."
The Saints released a brief statement at 12.15pm saying: "The club can confirm it has parted ways with the senior coach.
Watters was seemingly oblivious to the looming axe as recently as this morning, appearing on radio.
"The challenges of our list is something that we share on a daily basis. Our list-management committee has done an outstanding job not just this year but over the last two years, we haven't really had top-end selections over the first two years I've been here,” Watters told SEN.
"... We know it's a challenging period but we're also really excited about the quality of player we've brought in.
"When a president sits with you and says we see you as a long term coach, that's enough for me.
"We need to stay really focused on what we're doing coaching-wise through what's a pretty challenging time. I won't deviate from that."
Watters took over as coach after Ross Lyon's shock defection to Fremantle at the end of 2011.
After winning 12 matches in his first year in charge the Saints slumped to 16th on the ladder this year with just five wins.
He pushed hard for a contract extension but the club opted against the move after a performance review conducted by board member and former player Andrew Thompson, amid talk of a rift with football boss Chris Pelchen.
"Andrew Thompson has led the review into football and identified some opportunities we can explore but overall his review is an endorsement that we have the right people in the right roles," Summers said three weeks ago.
"At the end of every season we review every department in the club."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-coach-scott-watters-sacked/story-fndv8ufg-1226751203723
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Richmond football director Dan Richardson said the club had yet to learn of any interest in Williams from St Kilda.
"If they have any interest in Mark we have yet to hear from them, so we'll wait until then before taking it any further," he said.
"It would be premature to discuss it any further."
The Tigers had previously indicated to Williams it would not stand in his way if he was offered the Melbourne coaching job that ended up being won by Paul Roos.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-11-01/head-or-heart-decision
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we could replace them pretty easily
nick lower and aaron davey are available
lol , why not hey Gerks ? We've already got the guru Andrew McQualter
My sauces are saying Dylan Addison & Jordan Gysberts as development coaches
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Not sure Williams would be that keen on any kind of "succession plan" involving him handing over the reins to Harvey after a set amount of time as has been suggested.
The only thing that really concerns is how it would effect Martin if Williams left - want two good years out of him before we send him and Jake the Muzz back to Little Beirut in exchange for Jeremy Cameron.
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It was always going to end in tears for whichever coach took over from Lyon. The Saints' list was aging with no quality youth coming through to replace the core group that got them to three GFs. Lyon, as a career coach, knew the list was shot and smartly got out of there before the proverbial hit the fan. Their list needs a total rebuild from scratch and even now whoever takes over most likely won't see the job finished. As we know a total rebuild from scratch can take almost a decade and no coach will survive that long without any finals appearances. No one who wants to become a career coach will go near them even ignoring the cultural problems. The job is a coach killer.
As for the decision to sack Watters now, I'm not sure what was more a farce...
- That it was only 3 weeks ago a review into the footy dept. kept Watters on. If all this division and friction between senior coach and the rest of the footy dept. exists then it would have existed 3 weeks ago. Watters had been at the Club for two years so they would've clearly known what he was like and how he operated.
- That the coach was sacked in November without any plan to replace him.
- That the Club president yesterday gave one of the most embarrassing press conference of all time. He avoided giving any explanations to any of the questions asked. It pretty much went "no comment", "private matter", "no comment", "result of a process", "no comment", "hope we have new coach in a month", "no comment". Not that I care but if you were a Saints' member (god forbid), you would be expecting some explanation as to why your coach was sacked now. The sacking of any key personnel in a multi-million dollar business as footy is today and answerable to 35,000 members is not a private matter :huh3.
- That the Club waited until after the free agency/trade period to sack the coach that was used to attract and retain players. Would say a Montagna have stayed if he knew yet another new coach was coming in? Would a Longer have agreed to leave one off-field circus at Brisbane to sign up with an even bigger one if he was asked to sign up with a club without a senior coach in November.
What next for that Seaford rabble? Hire the Mad monday pyrotechnic dwarf or Kimmy the psychotic schoolgirl as their next senior coach? Seriously it wouldn't surprise me if they have to resort to a Spud Frawley/Robery Harvey "succession plan". No one in their right mind from outside St Kilda will go near them.
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Been scratching my head thinking why now? 8 weeks after their season finished, the week before pre-season starts they sack their coach
Then as I was sitting in my office yesterday arvo, reviewing a set of accounts it hit me, thought to myself it wouldn't have anything to do with the date?
Then I read Caro's article and she mentioned it... So this cynical accountant might be right :whistle
End of financial year for footy clubs is 31 October, sack a coach before that date and the payout must be included in the result = 2013 result
Sack a coach on November 1st the payout goes into next years numbers.
Saints are reportedly going post a big loss this year another $400-450k on top could send it over $2mil. And the auditors wouldnt like that and would report an unfavourable opinion no doubt. Can be a host of other things that companies need to comply with it at financial year ends, eg banking requirements etc
Wonder if that had anything to do with it?
Yep I am cynically but it does happen
Whatever the reason they are basket case of the highest order
And BTW loved Dermie tirade, priceless ;D
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Scott Watters set to pocket $500,000 payout following shock sacking
Sam Edmund
From: Herald Sun
November 03, 2013
SACKED St Kilda coach Scott Watters will receive a $500,000 payout from the club as Mark Williams firms as his replacement.
Watters, who has left for country Victoria to come to grips with his termination, will pocket the sum after he was fired on Friday with a year to run on his contract.
It's understood Watters was being paid in the vicinity of $400,000 to $450,000 a season by the Saints.
But, like most coaching contracts, it is an agreement bound by several performance-based clauses. Given the St Kilda board has made it impossible for Watters to achieve those KPIs next year, it is bound by law to pay them out.
It is unclear what clauses exist within Watters' contact, but it's understood that once they are paid it will take his payout to beyond half a million dollars.
St Kilda chiefs are expected to move quickly, settling the financial obligation by the end of next week.
Watters, 44, remains "raw" over the manner of his dismissal and despite denials by Saints president Peter Summers on Friday, Watters has told friends he believed he was "done over" by head of football Chris Pelchen.
But it's Pelchen's close relationship with Port Adelaide premiership coach and Richmond's current head of development Williams that has the latter a white-hot favourite to take the reins.
Williams and Pelchen worked together as coach and recruiter during the Power's rise to the 2004 flag. But the pair are more than former colleagues, with some saying they are best mates.
The Saints, who want to appoint their new coach before the national draft on November 21, would be heartened by the knowledge Williams and Pelchen can work well together.
St Kilda champion Robert Harvey is the romantic option and would win back member support, but he would appear a long-shot to get the job. Whether he is willing to return as an assistant remains to be seen.
Leigh Tudor, who is due to start as an assistant coach at North Melbourne this week, was interviewed by Essendon, West Coast and Brisbane in recent times and is also a contender.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/scott-watters-set-to-pocket-500000-payout-following-shock-sacking/story-fnelctok-1226751898277
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
So it appears the Aints havent got a replacement lined up
Reckon they will be going after lots of blokes. Not sure how many would want the job
Perhaps they should bring back Grant Thomas ;D
Or make big Nick :'( Reiwoldt Captain-Coach ;D
The possibilities are endless :rollin
They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
Problem for Thomas is they just used 2 high draft picks on young rucks so he'd have to play them. :lol
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$500k for Watters. :o :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
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St Kilda is expected to approach former Carlton coach Brett Ratten as part of its canvassing for a new senior coach.
Understood to be on the Saints' shortlist of candidates are former Port Adelaide coach Mark Williams, who is an assistant at Richmond, former club champion Robert Harvey, who is working as senior assistant at Collingwood, and current assistant coach Adam Kingsley.
The club will approach Port Adelaide assistant coach Alan Richardson and long-term Kangaroos assistant Darren Crocker, who was the caretaker coach at North Melbourne when Dean Laidley left the club.
The Saints would also be expected to approach former Brisbane Lions coach Michael Voss.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/ratten-in-saints-sights-to-take-on-coaching-job-20131104-2wx76.html#ixzz2jh0RpovS
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It is understood former Carlton coach Brett Ratten is rated highly by the Saints and is on a list of candidates that includes Port Adelaide premiership coach Mark Williams, current Port assistant Alan Richardson, former Brisbane coach Michael Voss and former Essendon coach Matthew Knights.
Club legends Robert Harvey and Danny Frawley are expected to be sounded out - although Frawley, who coached Richmond from 2000-2004, indicated yesterday he would not consider the role.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/st-kilda-will-start-interviewing-for-a-new-coach-this-week/story-fnelctok-1226753022788
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3AW Sports Today @3AWSportsToday twitter:
"Richmond may have to find a replacement for Mark Williams who the Saints are going after"
So it appears the Aints havent got a replacement lined up
Reckon they will be going after lots of blokes. Not sure how many would want the job
Perhaps they should bring back Grant Thomas ;D
Or make big Nick :'( Reiwoldt Captain-Coach ;D
The possibilities are endless :rollin
They are trying to bring Thomas back in a role. He was actually a good coach you know. He turned that club around only for Lyon to come in and leave their list in chaos
Problem for Thomas is they just used 2 high draft picks on young rucks so he'd have to play them. :lol
That's the deal breaker :lol
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Trent Knobel played a full year for St Kilda under Thomas.
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yeah but Knobel is the exception, he was a gun
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lol....poor old Barry Brooks kicks 6 in a wet game at the Gabba and gets delisted 2 weeks later.
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It was always going to end in tears for whichever coach took over from Lyon. The Saints' list was aging with no quality youth coming through to replace the core group that got them to three GFs. Lyon, as a career coach, knew the list was shot and smartly got out of there before the proverbial hit the fan. Their list needs a total rebuild from scratch and even now whoever takes over most likely won't see the job finished. As we know a total rebuild from scratch can take almost a decade and no coach will survive that long without any finals appearances. No one who wants to become a career coach will go near them even ignoring the cultural problems. The job is a coach killer.
As for the decision to sack Watters now, I'm not sure what was more a farce...
- That it was only 3 weeks ago a review into the footy dept. kept Watters on. If all this division and friction between senior coach and the rest of the footy dept. exists then it would have existed 3 weeks ago. Watters had been at the Club for two years so they would've clearly known what he was like and how he operated.
- That the coach was sacked in November without any plan to replace him.
- That the Club president yesterday gave one of the most embarrassing press conference of all time. He avoided giving any explanations to any of the questions asked. It pretty much went "no comment", "private matter", "no comment", "result of a process", "no comment", "hope we have new coach in a month", "no comment". Not that I care but if you were a Saints' member (god forbid), you would be expecting some explanation as to why your coach was sacked now. The sacking of any key personnel in a multi-million dollar business as footy is today and answerable to 35,000 members is not a private matter :huh3 .
- That the Club waited until after the free agency/trade period to sack the coach that was used to attract and retain players. Would say a Montagna have stayed if he knew yet another new coach was coming in? Would a Longer have agreed to leave one off-field circus at Brisbane to sign up with an even bigger one if he was asked to sign up with a club without a senior coach in November.
What next for that Seaford rabble? Hire the Mad monday pyrotechnic dwarf or Kimmy the psychotic schoolgirl as their next senior coach? Seriously it wouldn't surprise me if they have to resort to a Spud Frawley/Robery Harvey "succession plan". No one in their right mind from outside St Kilda will go near them.
Bullseye! They are a mess, what club lets players hire a dwarf :o It can only end in tears. :police:
How about 13 year old dancing girls :angel: or something equally as stupid. A St Kilda mate always talks of the club as being a bunch of drunkards :cheers since the 70's. On a scandals per year basis you'd have to think St Kilda is up there in 1st or 2nd place over the last 20-30 years. I wonder if such a list exists.
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yeah but Knobel is the exception, he was a gun
You are taking the pee but he actually was an outstanding ruckman. Average at the best of times around the ground but his ruckwork was a thing of beauty.
lol....poor old Barry Brooks kicks 6 in a wet game at the Gabba and gets delisted 2 weeks later.
Lovely kid, very talented as well. Far too nice for a ruckman though ;D
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Just a slight tinkle coach, was a competitive beast in the contest
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Bring back Stan