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Richmond bolsters attack with Ben Lennon, Nathan Gordon and Sam Lloyd in national draft
Jon Ralph
From: Herald Sun
November 21, 2013 10:24PM
RICHMOND devoted an entire draft to bolstering its attacking arsenal, recruiting a top-12 draft pick, an SANFL goalsneak and a bush legend.
The Tigers unashamedly focused on their forward half, thrilled that Northern Knights mid-sized forward Ben Lennon was still available at selection 12.
He had spent a week with the Tigers in February as part of the AFL-AIS program and both parties fell in love with each other.
But it was the club's last two picks that showed that while it overlooked Geelong's Paul Chapman, Richmond was desperate for more goalscoring power.
At pick 50 the Tigers gave North Adelaide's Nathan Gordon another chance after he played two games for Sydney and was an emergency nine times in 2012 before being dumped six days after the Grand Final.
Ben Lennon will hope his razor sharp right boot will be the difference over his fellow AFL hopefuls at this year's National Draft.
The 23-year-old is a clever half-forward who kicked 33 goals in the SANFL, with fellow 23-year-old Sam Lloyd another goalkicker lured to Punt Road with selection 66.
His journey is epic - 100 goals as a bush full forward with Deniliquin, suburban footy with Mount Eliza, a handful of VFL games with the Bendigo Gold, then VFL with Frankston this year.
Richmond recruiting boss Francis Jackson said there was real opportunity for all of the three forwards to make their mark after the club used its second pick to trade for Carlton ruckman Shaun Hampson.
"There is definitely opportunity for them and they are physically ready to go. Nathan played a full year of SANFL footy and had a really strong finals series. He is good with his contested footy and a goalkicker," he said.
"In our rankings (Lennon) was clearly the next-ranked player at 12. He spent his AIS week with us and it really gives you an insight into how the kids fit in. We gave him feedback on a few things and it was really pleasing to see him address those things.
"Sam kicked a lot of VFL goals this year and he is an old-fashioned really clever read-the-play forward. He can crumb, he played for Vic Metro in the VFL game and kicked four goals over there, and he has made a concerted effort to improve his running capacity."
Lennon is an exceptional overhead mark for his size, with the All-Australian also benefiting from sizzling foot skills on both sides of his body.
After recruiting hard-bodied midfielders Dustin Martin, Nick Vlastuin, Reece Conca and Brandon Ellis in recent years, the 188cm, 77kg forward is the perfect player to round out Richmond's list.
"I am ecstatic. All through the year I really wanted to get to Richmond after being at the club for a week in February, so it's really good. It was up the air, I thought pick 10 at Collingwood was a strong chance, but to get my name called out at Richmond, I am over the moon," Lennon said.
"I play a unique position and I have to work really hard to give myself a chance, and I am sure I can do that."
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-bolsters-attack-with-ben-lennon-nathan-gordon-and-sam-lloyd-in-national-draft/story-fnelctok-1226765639307#mm-breached
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Ralphy frotthing at the mouth
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Where are the mids?
Recruit mids...our forward line is poo :shh
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we took med /sml sized forwards but did nothing to ease the tall forward problems we have. but hey most dont think we have tall forward probs.
so where do we now stand with sml/med forwards.
king 178/82 100gms 30yo. sml for.
a edwards 184/93 90gms 30yo. med for.
s edwards 181/83 120gms 25yo. sml for/mid.
knights 184/84 100gms 27yo med mid/for.
mcdonough 180/84, 0 gms 20yo sml for/mid
ohanlon 189/89, 8 gms, 20yo med for.
petterd 185/85, 70gms, 25yo med for/def
lennon 187/79, 0 gms, 18yo med for/utility
gordon 186/86, 0 gms, 24yo med for/mid.
lloyd 180/83, 0 gms, 24yo sml for.
just gotta question how many do we need. thats a 1/4 of the list taken up on sml/med forwards. yes some can rotate thru the midfield.
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we dont have tall forward problems
#1 reiwoldt
#2 vickery
#3 mcbean / griffiths
in reserve: Elton, Astbury, Maric, Hampson, O'Hanlon, Aaron Edwards - its not perfect buts its not the major deficiency IMO.
Lennon is a class player according to the Richmond draft rankings - can kick and has good size. I dont think its a bad choice on the basis we have suffice small/mid forward. Ramps below sums it up well.
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we took med /sml sized forwards but did nothing to ease the tall forward problems we have. but hey most dont think we have tall forward probs.
so where do we now stand with sml/med forwards.
king 178/82 100gms 30yo. sml for.
a edwards 184/93 90gms 30yo. med for.
s edwards 181/83 120gms 25yo. sml for/mid.
knights 184/84 100gms 27yo med mid/for.
mcdonough 180/84, 0 gms 20yo sml for/mid
ohanlon 189/89, 8 gms, 20yo med for.
petterd 185/85, 70gms, 25yo med for/def
lennon 187/79, 0 gms, 18yo med for/utility
gordon 186/86, 0 gms, 24yo med for/mid.
lloyd 180/83, 0 gms, 24yo sml for.
just gotta question how many do we need. thats a 1/4 of the list taken up on sml/med forwards. yes some can rotate thru the midfield.
King has only got 1 maybe 2 years left. A.Edwards the same 1 year maybe 2 at a maximum. McDonough I have doubts will make it. O'hanlon hasnt come on and if he doesnt improve he'll be gone in 12 months. Petterd well his just depth. Gordon and Lloyd are low draft picks lucky if one of the two makes it. Its not a great result.
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we dont have tall forward problems
#1 reiwoldt
#2 vickery
#3 mcbean / griffiths
in reserve: Elton, Astbury, Maric, Hampson, O'Hanlon, Aaron Edwards - its not perfect buts its not the major deficiency IMO.
Lennon is a class player according to the Richmond draft rankings - can kick and has good size. I dont think its a bad choice on the basis we have suffice small/mid forward. Ramps below sums it up well.
until just a month ago vickery was our future #1 ruckman lol hes as soft as butter and done nothing to warrant the hype as a forward. one more poor yr next yr and all and sundry will be baying for his blood.
. griffiths has spent all of his time down back so what is he forward or back. hes been so poor hes lucky hes on the list.
sheesh mcbean do i listen to the club? if so hes the new long term #1 ruckman, we did draft him as a ruckman. if we didnt we had damn well better get off our arses and get some young rucks into our system oh what a shemozzle. besides can we play both vickery and mcbean in the same role. that is ruckmen come forwards probably neither great at either role.
elton bloody hell two yrs in and alarm bells are sounding out loud. hes another they are destroying by playing down back.
astbury cmon please lets make up our minds about these blokes are they forwards or backs. hes been almost entirely developed down back and hes another on shaky ground.
maric is our ruckman atm the only decent one we have. we are not talking about ruckmen or ruck/forwards here but genuine forwards.
hampson is the other ruckman who will be asked to rest forward, see what i just wrte about maric. if we judge him on his performances we would all be calling for his head with out him even playing a game for us.
ohanlon is a medium sized flanker, nothing more nothing less.
a edwards is a medium sized third tall. he should be played as a medium.
nope i think i will stick with my assesment on this lot and call our GENUINE TALL FORWARD SITUATION DIRE. We may have the numbers if you include the talls who have been developed down back, riewoldt aside though thats about all you can say.
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Vickery is young for a player of his size. He is decent both as a forward and ruck man. I don't know where his future lies but suspect hell play both roles, perhaps not unlike David hale. You are obsessed pigion holing him as one or the other. The way the game is going there are few pure second forwards or pure full time ruck man. Need to do both. More so given the sub rule
Fair enough I'd you don't rate him as a footballer.
In regards to mcbean we did get a ruck man, hampson. Mcbean to me is a oversized talented half forward flanker
If we can play Vickery. Maric. Mcgaune in the same side why not Vickery. Maric. Mcbean in the same side?
cmon please lets make up our minds about these blokes are they forwards or backs - why? you have OCD? Bradshaw? Ben Reid?
Aaron Edwards plays tall. IMO he plays significantly taller than his actual height. I'm fairly sure his 100 vfl goals were out of the goal square. Hard wick played him as a direct replacement for mcgaune.
You are welcome to stick with your analysis. Yet the facts are our #1 forward is a young multi Coleman winner. High draft pick Vickery. Along with near leading vfl goal scorer mcbean.(in first year) with some depth. It may not be brown-lynch-bradshaw but 'dire' is fairly emo.
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Vickery is 26 now
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23
And five months
Born : May 31, 1990
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26
And five months
Born : May 31, 1987
Yeah I know
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Vickery is young for a player of his size. He is decent both as a forward and ruck man. I don't know where his future lies but suspect hell play both roles, perhaps not unlike David hale. You are obsessed pigion holing him as one or the other. The way the game is going there are few pure second forwards or pure full time ruck man. Need to do both. More so given the sub rule
Fair enough I'd you don't rate him as a footballer.
In regards to mcbean we did get a ruck man, hampson. Mcbean to me is a oversized talented half forward flanker
If we can play Vickery. Maric. Mcgaune in the same side why not Vickery. Maric. Mcbean in the same side?
im not pidgeon holing him at all. but if vickery is a ruck/for wheres the genuine 2nd kpf.
hmm at hawthorn pure tall forwards franklin gunston and roughhead yes roughie is a pure forward hes also capable of pinch hitting in the ruck. but hey with hale whos the actual ruck/for and baily roughie isnt needed to play ruck too much.
hmm pods and hawkins. with a resting ruckman/for. sydney sheesh how many tall forwards do you want me to name plus pyke and mumford.
wce have a look and tell me what they do.
you know what most if not all sides have two genuine kpfs and they utilise one if not both ruckmen some have a third tall plus ruckmen.
im not sure where you get this notion that most sides dont have two genuine tall forwards its the norm.
geez nm petrie tarrant black plus ruckmen. ess hurley ryder crameri and one of carlisle or gumbleton. do i really need to go on.
if vickery is a bloody ruck/for play him in the role but jeezus lets play with two kpfs as well.
tyour right i dont rate him hes pee weak but how i rate him has nothing to do with how i think we should structure up.
if vickery is now playing as a permanent key forward we should structure up with him riewoldt and hampson as the ruck/for. id love a jeremy howe type as well and would like a player like chappy and say lennon . forward lines arent getting shorter mate they are becoming huge.
finally vickery turns 24 in may. hes in yr 6 and he will push toward 100 games hes hardly what we would call a kid.yet the gap between his good and bad is a chasm.
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#1 forward. Riewoldt
#2 forward. Vickery. - (Or Griffiths. Astbury. Elton.)
# 3 forward. Mcbean. - (Or Griffiths. Astbury. Elton)
#1. Ruck - maric
#2 ruck - hampson.
Looks at least structurally sound .If you wanna go bigger play all off riewoldt/Vickery/ mcbean/Griffiths/ + maric/hampson at the same time...Everyone is two meters tall outside of the short-ass Coleman medalist.
While it'd be nice to have 23 year old pavlich, brown, carey , grant to compliment jack, it doesn't see realistic at this stage.
The club has spent high draft picks on key forwards. I don't see what else they can do but try and develop them and hope they come good.
We just drafted a medium forward that was best available. 18 / 189. Hopefully the size of Lennon. Martin. deledio. Can assist generally.
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Didn't claw say all through the year we lacked medium forwards except for Edwards but we never play him there. Now we have to many?
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you're taking out of context again yeahright.
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Fore me a forward line of:
hf: Knights Vickery Lennon
f: McBean Riewoldt Edwards
may go ok but McBean hasnt played a game and Lennon hasnt played either. So we have to hope they come through but on paper it looks ok.
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you're taking out of context again yeahright.
:santa
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Fore me a forward line of:
hf: Knights Vickery Lennon
f: McBean Riewoldt Edwards
may go ok but McBean hasnt played a game and Lennon hasnt played either. So we have to hope they come through but on paper it looks ok.
I agree Rampstar. Though I would prefer S. Edwards over A.Edwards in that line up for diversity of skills.
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It will be raining goals at tiger land soon, like mana from the heavens
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you're taking out of context again yeahright.
oh boy :lol
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Fore me a forward line of:
hf: Knights Vickery Lennon
f: McBean Riewoldt Edwards
may go ok but McBean hasnt played a game and Lennon hasnt played either. So we have to hope they come through but on paper it looks ok.
I agree Rampstar. Though I would prefer S. Edwards over A.Edwards in that line up for diversity of skills.
I had assumed it must of been Shane Edwards
King off the benvh
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Didn't claw say all through the year we lacked medium forwards except for Edwards but we never play him there. Now we have to many?
Well I think adding four in one draft period may be overkill - three in the draft (Lennon, Lloyd and Gordon) and upgrading Petterd - and that's what Claw is talking about.
Try reading the list he put up before. :banghead
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the list that contains only 4 names that have played any substantial number of games, 2 of which he keeps saying we need to upgrade on?
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Didn't claw say all through the year we lacked medium forwards except for Edwards but we never play him there. Now we have to many?
Well I think adding four in one draft period may be overkill - three in the draft (Lennon, Lloyd and Gordon) and upgrading Petterd - and that's what Claw is talking about.
Try reading the list he put up before. :banghead
How many games has Pettard played as a forward vs as a back for us
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Didn't claw say all through the year we lacked medium forwards except for Edwards but we never play him there. Now we have to many?
thats a great interpretation son not correct but well done and keep at it.
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Fore me a forward line of:
hf: Knights Vickery Lennon
f: McBean Riewoldt Edwards
may go ok but McBean hasnt played a game and Lennon hasnt played either. So we have to hope they come through but on paper it looks ok.
I agree Rampstar. Though I would prefer S. Edwards over A.Edwards in that line up for diversity of skills.
I had assumed it must of been Shane Edwards
King off the benvh
It was shane edwards I dont see a.edwards being at richmond beyond 2014
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Titxh. :clapping
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Prefer neither of them on our list beyond next year.
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Shane Edwards is far too classy to delist.
For mine
He is the type that will explode Inna good team
Forward pocket master
Allow lids chimp. Dusty and co. To bomb it.
Shane deep
See what happens
:shh
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I wouldn't delist him, he's perfect trade bait, at least for the next year or two.
But while we're still stuck with him and as I've said before and ever since the rule was brought in, Edwards should be regularly used as a sub. Bring him on fresh when everyone else is tiring and some of his party tricks and over ambitious plays might actually start to come off.
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He's got beuitful hands
Greg Williams :clapping
Still reckon hr will be assist in a team where ball goes forward , more tomes than not
He crumbs too good too be non require
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Back to previous topic
For mine grimesy is a properties ful back. Hr can run and pinch a d rebou d and he's got nuts. Captain iron fist. He would have bre. Been handy fighting Nazis in Stalingrad. Captain iron fist. I hope be brings back fro. His first few games punching 40/50 meter
Rancey is a glen back jackovixh. I remember watching a fame where there was maybe 9 second left and we where ahead 4/5 goals. I think in Perth. Rance/Alec attacked a ballon a manner where be could have been killed. Be was unfazed and event at the pill.100 mile.a hour. This was enough proof to Mr he love the yellow(black -(all u can really ask blokes)
Chaplin did any on clone at one stage
Buy for.mine he is a. It squib by. He seems to.tell people where to run more Than doing it h self. For.mine rance CHB. grimes fb xhaplj. 3 tall
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Darrou is a fb. Back up.Grimes
Astbury and mctosh have the tough job of being replacement for the brave one ARancy
Whoever left can replace chappy. Cheaply to.me is the most expendable of the 3
3. I'd grimes / arance play all games ,. I reckon we go alright
If astburu can be massive and pressure chaplin Spot
Its like gold for us
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I got about 50% of that post cept the bits you wrote in Swahili lol
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I got about 50% of that post cept the bits you wrote in Swahili lol
:lol :lol
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We already have a quality medium forward who can rotate through the middle - his name's Ricky Petterd. How about we bolster our attack by actually playing him there instead of wasting draft picks.
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Did you mean to say quality medium forward or medium forward?
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Judge Roughneck stop typing so fast
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Judge Roughneck stop typing so fast
:lol :clapping
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Did you mean to say quality medium forward or medium forward?
Did you see his best games for Melbourne? They were all up forward and a couple of them were hard to miss if you're a Richmond supporter because they were against us. Go back and watch his play the few times Hardwick did move him into the forward line during games - the difference is stark. Or are you just content to judge him as player based soley on his performances in the backline?
Been very inconsistent throughout his career but at his best, forward of the ball, he's still a very good player.
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Did you mean to say quality medium forward or medium forward?
Did you see his best games for Melbourne? They were all up forward and a couple of them were hard to miss if you're a Richmond supporter because they were against us. Go back and watch his play the few times Hardwick did move him into the forward line during games - the difference is stark. Or are you just content to judge him as player based soley on his performances in the backline?
Been very inconsistent throughout his career but at his best, forward of the ball, he's still a very good player.
When he plays forward he has no trouble against the bad sides (such as we were for a very long time) but can't remember when he stood up as a forward against a quality side
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Did you mean to say quality medium forward or medium forward?
Did you see his best games for Melbourne? They were all up forward and a couple of them were hard to miss if you're a Richmond supporter because they were against us. Go back and watch his play the few times Hardwick did move him into the forward line during games - the difference is stark. Or are you just content to judge him as player based soley on his performances in the backline?
Been very inconsistent throughout his career but at his best, forward of the ball, he's still a very good player.
When he plays forward he has no trouble against the bad sides (such as we were for a very long time) but can't remember when he stood up as a forward against a quality side
Petterd also has a penchant for shanking kicks. But to play devil's advocate Jake King also shanks kicks when he used to play in the backline and he has been reinvented as a fwd pocket. Maybe the same can be done for the ex-demonoid
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Judge Roughneck stop typing so fast
:lol :clapping
Or with two hands at the very least.