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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tigs2011 on March 11, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
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:clapping
Richmond has elevated rookies Matt Thomas and Orren Stephenson to the Club’s senior playing list ahead of the 2014 season.
Read more here: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-11/richmond-elevates-thomas-stephenson
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Very interesting with Big O, will he play this weekend against the young suns lineup??
You would think they would only elevate if he was going to play.
Maybe Ty no good???
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Miles must be devastated. I thought he showed the most promise out of all the rookies but through circumstances alone, he has missed out. Hope he gets a chance sooner rather than later.
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No real surprises.
Time to cue "why elevate him if he you arent going to play him" re the big O.
as for miles, well he may be be a bit devastated, but now we sill see what he's made of. time for him to put his head down and work hard until the opportunity presents
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Pretty happy with the choices too be honest.
If Ivvy was fit, then it would have been between Miles & Banfield you would have thought. Should be able today both big boys no worries.
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Pretty happy with the choices too be honest.
If Ivvy was fit, then it would have been between Miles & Banfield you would have thought. Should be able today both big boys no worries.
Spot on. Miles would have got a gig if Maric was fit. We have small midfield and forward back-ups in the VFL side. But McBean was the ruck in the VFL on the weekend.
Very interesting with Big O, will he play this weekend against the young suns lineup??
You would think they would only elevate if he was going to play.
Maybe Ty no good???
No, it's precautionary in case Hampson goes down. I believe Ty will play. Hampson and Griff haven't exactly been durable.
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Elevated the two least talented of our rookies. Good stuff.
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Can understand both selections. Hope Thomas turns out like Tuck did for us. The Big O did some good things last year and was probably rewarded for that. Banfield would have given us extra leg speed which would have been handy.
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Feel for Miles, think he did enough to get elevated. Don't think big O is required unless Griff or Vickery go down. Suppose its better to be safe than sorry.
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Feel for Miles, think he did enough to get elevated. Don't think big O is required unless Griff or Vickery go down. Suppose its better to be safe than sorry.
Who rucks if Hammer goes down on Saturday?
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Feel for Miles, think he did enough to get elevated. Don't think big O is required unless Griff or Vickery go down. Suppose its better to be safe than sorry.
Who rucks if Hammer goes down on Saturday?
Griff and Vickery
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Feel for Miles, think he did enough to get elevated. Don't think big O is required unless Griff or Vickery go down. Suppose its better to be safe than sorry.
Who rucks if Hammer goes down on Saturday?
Griff and Vickery
neither play as a first ruck though. And the club is hell bent on making Vickery a permanent forward.
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I can understand why they did it but don't agree with it regardless. From what Ive seen I don't think big O brings more to the table as an elevated ruckman than Vickery/Griff tandem ruck with Miles upgraded would.
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Wishful thinking, but I was hoping they would have cotton wooled Maric until the second half of the season, chucking him on the LTI list and getting all 3 up. But given Hampson's injury history and that we've got no one else without interfering with structures I can understand. Miles must have only just missed by a whisker, but unfortunately Greggy Thomo is who we needed to filled Tuck's void.
Justified selections and time to turn off pre-season and time to turn on backing the team in for the year :cheers
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why couldn't they have delayed O until marics return was cl3earer then put him on LTI...I would have tossed around banfield or miles...good case for either
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why couldn't they have delayed O until marics return was cl3earer then put him on LTI...I would have tossed around banfield or miles...good case for either
Because Maric would have to sit out VFL/AFL for 8 weeks :whistle
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the failure of vickery as a ruckman continues to cost us. wanna hope he can do a decent job as a kpf.
lol at those who think vickery and griffiths even capable of holding down 1st ruck, or that hampson has been better as a first ruck than stephenson to date.
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Yes lol @ those who have a different opinion to you.
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why couldn't they have delayed O until marics return was cl3earer then put him on LTI...I would have tossed around banfield or miles...good case for either
Because Maric would have to sit out VFL/AFL for 8 weeks :whistle
what is his likely return date. if he misses 6 to 8 weeks rgardless, this will look silly. surely they must have some idea on how long he will miss for by now.
disagree on thomas as well ive seen enough of the blunders and turnovers at afl level to promote miles instead.
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why couldn't they have delayed O until marics return was cl3earer then put him on LTI...I would have tossed around banfield or miles...good case for either
Because Maric would have to sit out VFL/AFL for 8 weeks :whistle
what is his likely return date. if he misses 6 to 8 weeks rgardless, this will look silly. surely they must have some idea on how long he will miss for by now.
disagree on thomas as well ive seen enough of the blunders and turnovers at afl level to promote miles instead.
Injury list says he 5-6 weeks. So based on that he would be back around round 4, remembering we have a week off next week
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Yes lol @ those who have a different opinion to you.
yep its hilarious when posts are nonsensical. and just a bland statement with nothing to back em up.
instead of sooking because someone found your opinion a tad naieve and humerous because of it, why not try and back it up with some stats or facts or anything for that matter.
blokes who are scared cannot play in the ruck. softie vickery is going to play first ruck despite every single indicator saying other wise., the actions of the club, stats, body language and performance.hes been an abysmal failure as a ruckman and most things back up this comment.even the club recognise this. vickery as a ruckman should be more than capable of holding down the role at his stage of development and experience. yet we went and got hampson.
yes imo its a silly opinion and mildly amusing because of the stubborn insistence that despite everything to the contrary blokes will perform the role.
god forbid we entrust the #1 ruck position to a bloke who has shwon time and time again to be physically fragile mentally soft and unable to get a kick in a footy factory. what possible realistic case could be made to give griffiths the role if hampson goes down.
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the failure of vickery as a ruckman continues to cost us. wanna hope he can do a decent job as a kpf.
lol at those who think vickery and griffiths even capable of holding down 1st ruck, or that hampson has been better as a first ruck than stephenson to date.
Hampson and Griffiths has worked to date imo. Both are ahead of Stephenson for mine atm.
I know its the off season but.....feel free to lol. We're the ones watching games, not you
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Yes lol @ those who have a different opinion to you.
yep its hilarious when posts are nonsensical. and just a bland statement with nothing to back em up.
instead of sooking because someone found your opinion a tad naieve and humerous because of it, why not try and back it up with some stats or facts or anything for that matter.
blokes who are scared cannot play in the ruck. softie vickery is going to play first ruck despite every single indicator saying other wise., the actions of the club, stats, body language and performance.hes been an abysmal failure as a ruckman and most things back up this comment.even the club recognise this. vickery as a ruckman should be more than capable of holding down the role at his stage of development and experience. yet we went and got hampson.
yes imo its a silly opinion and mildly amusing because of the stubborn insistence that despite everything to the contrary blokes will perform the role.
god forbid we entrust the #1 ruck position to a bloke who has shwon time and time again to be physically fragile mentally soft and unable to get a kick in a footy factory. what possible realistic case could be made to give griffiths the role if hampson goes down.
Try and reason the merits of it with a narcissist? No stuffing chance pal.
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
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the failure of vickery as a ruckman continues to cost us. wanna hope he can do a decent job as a kpf.
lol at those who think vickery and griffiths even capable of holding down 1st ruck, or that hampson has been better as a first ruck than stephenson to date.
:nope
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I am disappointed with the decision but I understand the reason it was made. Griffiths and Hampson have had a history of injury so obviously the Big O is being elevate in case Hampson in particular develops a minor injury that keeps him out a handful of weeks rather than a larger injury that would put him on the long term injury list.
In saying that, the likelihood that O sits in the wings and never gets a game is high compared to Miles who could have added to the team immediately. I believe Miles would have claimed the substitute role very early in the season and then forced his way into the team. Miles was playing a great level and was highly motivated which would have flowed over into the AFL. He has a great deal of that word we fear to speak now days....potential and could potentially becomes a 8-10 year player for us. The Big O is insurance plan and simple.
Anyway, we have assembled our list by taking as little risks as possible and it has worked so I guess we should trust in a similar strategy to cover potential injuries. Still disappointing though :facepalm
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I reckon people getting a bit over board with the miles love
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
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why couldn't they have delayed O until marics return was cl3earer then put him on LTI...I would have tossed around banfield or miles...good case for either
Because Maric would have to sit out VFL/AFL for 8 weeks :whistle
what is his likely return date. if he misses 6 to 8 weeks rgardless, this will look silly. surely they must have some idea on how long he will miss for by now.
disagree on thomas as well ive seen enough of the blunders and turnovers at afl level to promote miles instead.
5-6 weeks and with a split round 1 it's only 4-5 games. Meaning he's sitting around doing nothing for 3-4 games.
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
Even so, 5 or 6 weeks to recovery to full training means he'll start full training in 5-6 weeks. He's already missed 3 weeks and prior to that was not training anywhere near capacity due to recovery from groin op so his base will be non existent, hence why I am adding the extra 2-4 weeks after he resumes full training as I believe he will need those weeks to build up some sort of base.
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I reckon people getting a bit over board with the miles love
agree. Was ordinary in VFL the other day. I only saw part of the Sandy VFL game but Thomas was better at that level from what I saw. I also think he's slightly ahead of miles at afl level.
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
Even so, 5 or 6 weeks to recovery to full training means he'll start full training in 5-6 weeks. He's already missed 3 weeks and prior to that was not training anywhere near capacity due to recovery from groin op so his base will be non existent, hence why I am adding the extra 2-4 weeks after he resumes full training as I believe he will need those weeks to build up some sort of base.
To be fair Tony, if that is the case, why didn't they just put him on the LTI list and promote 3 players including Stephenson?
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
Even so, 5 or 6 weeks to recovery to full training means he'll start full training in 5-6 weeks. He's already missed 3 weeks and prior to that was not training anywhere near capacity due to recovery from groin op so his base will be non existent, hence why I am adding the extra 2-4 weeks after he resumes full training as I believe he will need those weeks to build up some sort of base.
theyll want him to play VFL during that period to get match fitness. LTI means he can't.
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
Even so, 5 or 6 weeks to recovery to full training means he'll start full training in 5-6 weeks. He's already missed 3 weeks and prior to that was not training anywhere near capacity due to recovery from groin op so his base will be non existent, hence why I am adding the extra 2-4 weeks after he resumes full training as I believe he will need those weeks to build up some sort of base.
theyll want him to play VFL during that period to get match fitness. LTI means he can't.
Are you sure of that?
I thought you could play VFL but not AFL.
No you are correct. Just looked it up. Cannot play in the AFL competition or a State body competition whilst on the LTI. :thumbsup
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I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
What happens if Hampson does a hamstring and is out for a month?
No Maric for 6 weeks. No Hampson for 4.
That would mean our only rucks would be Vickery and Griffiths neither of who are bona fide ruckmen. We would have to start the year against reasonable opposition at a huge disadvantage.
Yes, I would have loved to see Miles and to a lesser extent Banfield, but they will get their chance if we have a long term injury.
Good thinking 99……….as they say!
The thing is by the time Maric is recovered enough to get back into full training he will have missed nearly 3 months of training so there is no chance he'd be close to selection before round 7 or 8 anyhow imo. Will need 2-4 weeks of full training to get conditioning back up. Hence why I would have put Maric on LTI, elevated Miles and bring in big O only if Hampson or Griff go down. Even if Griff goes down I seriously doubt Dimma would play Big O in the side anyway, with the cap on interchange you need players who can contribute around the ground, don't think he can
I think you are making an error here. The 5 to 6 weeks listed INCLUDE recovery to full training. Why are you adding further weeks? If that was the case the club would have already put him on the LTI.
Even so, 5 or 6 weeks to recovery to full training means he'll start full training in 5-6 weeks. He's already missed 3 weeks and prior to that was not training anywhere near capacity due to recovery from groin op so his base will be non existent, hence why I am adding the extra 2-4 weeks after he resumes full training as I believe he will need those weeks to build up some sort of base.
To be fair Tony, if that is the case, why didn't they just put him on the LTI list and promote 3 players including Stephenson?
Exactly, that's my point, I just don't see the logic in not doing just that(my reasons are in previous post). Look if he comes back in round 5 and is raring to go, I'll happily admit I got it wrong, but I have yet to see the player that can be anywhere near their best on the back of a seriously interrupted preseason. We have hammer now, put Maric on ice and get him a serious fitness base and sufficient recovery time so he can be fresh and fit for the 2nd half of the year
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The big O is a bit surprising for me, I thought Griff and Vicks could of picked up the slack. When you look at it though we now have two tap ruckman that are massive and will give our kids first use of the ball at set plays. I wonder if they will play them both?
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if O ends up not playing this season, seniors, its a very good sign...
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it O ends up not playing this season seniors its a very good sign...
:yep
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Big O's ruck work is very good. He competes well around the ground and has a real crack. Good enough for me from a promoted rookie.
If he was 25 he would definitely be on a senior list.
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Lmao@ our most important player, structurally, missing 8 weeks because of dimwit medicos
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I reckon people getting a bit over board with the miles love
agree. Was ordinary in VFL the other day. I only saw part of the Sandy VFL game but Thomas was better at that level from what I saw. I also think he's slightly ahead of miles at afl level.
Was plenty to like about both miles games at the level before going back to vfl, no rush with him though, Thomas can step right into where tucky left off, Milesy can play his way into the side, I'd say he'd be waiting for foley or Edwards to drop off
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VIDEO: Thomas speaks with Richo about his elevation off the rookie list ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-11/thomas-on-elevation
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Amusing that some here are now apparently giving more weight to Miles' one poor reserves matches than his two good senior performances.
Agree people were going off prematurely and getting carried away with Miles but he's still clearly a class above Turnover Thomas whose entire AFL career thus far has been woeful with the sole highlight of bullying the Carlton midfield off the park once in 2012 - the almost exact same claim to fame btw, right down to the year but minus the broken Carrazzo collarbone, that he shares with Sam Lonergan... and let's face it, winning a McGoo Medal is probably something even Tambling could have a fair crack at.
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Amusing that some here are now apparently giving more weight to Miles' one poor reserves matches than his two good senior performances.
Agree people were going off prematurely and getting carried away with Miles but he's still clearly a class above Turnover Thomas whose entire AFL career thus far has been woeful with the sole highlight of bullying the Carlton midfield off the park once in 2012 - the almost exact same claim to fame btw, right down to the year but minus the broken Carrazzo collarbone, that he shares with Sam Lonergan... and let's face it, winning a McGoo Medal is probably something even Tambling could have a fair crack at.
thomas has played 2 good games of AFL and 1 of VFL.
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Robert Shaw was on Finey's show on SEN the other night and he reckons why Dimma loves Thomas is because Dimma saw his Richmond of last year as "too nice". He said, "Sure they can move the ball well and hit pin-point passes but Dimma wants to see a harder edge this year that will stack up in finals." So Robert Shaw's view is that why Richmond's recruiting has focused on bringing players with good footskills and a turn of foot to the club, in Thomas' case, Dimma will overlook that he isn't the quickest footballer going around and that his kicking isn't precise because Thomas will bring that harder ballwinning edge in the contest at stoppages that was lacking last year such as in the Elimination Final.
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Robert Shaw was on Finey's show on SEN the other night and he reckons why Dimma loves Thomas is because Dimma saw his Richmond of last year as "too nice". He said, "Sure they can move the ball well and hit pin-point passes but Dimma wants to see a harder edge this year that will stack up in finals." So Robert Shaw's view is that why Richmond's recruiting has focused on bringing players with good footskills and a turn of foot to the club, in Thomas' case, Dimma will overlook that he isn't the quickest footballer going around and that his kicking isn't precise because Thomas will bring that harder ballwinning edge in the contest at stoppages that was lacking last year such as in the Elimination Final.
Pity his idiot brother is not as logical!!
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Thomas was better at that level from what I saw. I also think he's slightly ahead of miles at afl level.
I reckon he's Miles ahead ;D
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Robert Shaw was on Finey's show on SEN the other night and he reckons why Dimma loves Thomas is because Dimma saw his Richmond of last year as "too nice". He said, "Sure they can move the ball well and hit pin-point passes but Dimma wants to see a harder edge this year that will stack up in finals." So Robert Shaw's view is that why Richmond's recruiting has focused on bringing players with good footskills and a turn of foot to the club, in Thomas' case, Dimma will overlook that he isn't the quickest footballer going around and that his kicking isn't precise because Thomas will bring that harder ballwinning edge in the contest at stoppages that was lacking last year such as in the Elimination Final.
Pity his idiot brother is not as logical!!
Whose idiot brother?
Is the idiot you're talking about Tony Shaw?
He's not related to Robert Shaw former Fitzroy & Adelaide Crow's coach :-\ ;D
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I'm with claw on this one. Whilst I'd like to see Griff have a go at first ruck, it would be a massive risk in a huge season for our club. Neither Griff or Vicks have shown they can be a no.1 ruck. Stephenson is there purely for that role of backing up Hampson if he goes down.
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why you'd want to use a blue chip KPF like Vickery in the ruck is beyond me anyway
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once maric is back will orren go back to the rookie list if so does this allow us to elevate say miles????? as I thought he was a tad stiff...
Thomas tough may take over kings spot
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why you'd want to use a blue chip KPF like Vickery in the ruck is beyond me anyway
Kenny Other... :clapping
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once maric is back will orren go back to the rookie list if so does this allow us to elevate say miles????? as I thought he was a tad stiff...
Thomas tough may take over kings spot
Don't think we can put the Big O back on the rookie list once he's promoted. I think only those promoted into LTI list vacancies can be put back on the list once the senior list player is taken off the LTI list. I might be wrong but that's how I understand the rules.
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Robert Shaw was on Finey's show on SEN the other night and he reckons why Dimma loves Thomas is because Dimma saw his Richmond of last year as "too nice". He said, "Sure they can move the ball well and hit pin-point passes but Dimma wants to see a harder edge this year that will stack up in finals." So Robert Shaw's view is that why Richmond's recruiting has focused on bringing players with good footskills and a turn of foot to the club, in Thomas' case, Dimma will overlook that he isn't the quickest footballer going around and that his kicking isn't precise because Thomas will bring that harder ballwinning edge in the contest at stoppages that was lacking last year such as in the Elimination Final.
Pity his idiot brother is not as logical!!
Whose idiot brother?
Is the idiot you're talking about Tony Shaw?
He's not related to Robert Shaw former Fitzroy & Adelaide Crow's coach :-\ ;D
poo sorry your right, well there you go, that will explain why the comment was logical.. ;D
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I'm with claw on this one. Whilst I'd like to see Griff have a go at first ruck, it would be a massive risk in a huge season for our club. Neither Griff or Vicks have shown they can be a no.1 ruck. Stephenson is there purely for that role of backing up Hampson if he goes down.
I simply don't rate Orren at all, he is ok in the ruck contest but he's a liability around the ground, especially now with capped interchanges- hence why I think Griff and Vickery in the ruck with Miles upgraded instead of Orren will offer us more collectively.
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I'm with claw on this one. Whilst I'd like to see Griff have a go at first ruck, it would be a massive risk in a huge season for our club. Neither Griff or Vicks have shown they can be a no.1 ruck. Stephenson is there purely for that role of backing up Hampson if he goes down.
I simply don't rate Orren at all, he is ok in the ruck contest but he's a liability around the ground, especially now with capped interchanges- hence why I think Griff and Vickery in the ruck with Miles upgraded instead of Orren will offer us more collectively.
What you don't know about the Big O is that he has magical powers!!! Yes that's right - he contests the ruck duel then disappears completely until the next contest. Its really quiet amazing :eyebrow
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why you'd want to use a blue chip KPF like Vickery in the ruck is beyond me anyway
So much burley and not even a nibble.
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Snip!
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VIDEO: Thomas speaks with Richo about his elevation off the rookie list ...
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-03-11/thomas-on-elevation
“I’m really happy. It’s an exciting time to be around the Club, and to get the promotion at this time of the year, with the season ahead of me, it’s really exciting,” he told ‘Roar Vision’.
“I just tried to have a great pre-season and left it in the hands of the coaching staff. To their credit, they’ve helped me along and improved my game.
“I’m just sitting down with the coaching staff each week – Danny Daly, ‘Wilbur’ (Mark P. Williams), ‘Choco’ (Mark M. Williams) and ‘Dimma’ (Damien Hardwick), and just working out basically my role, and what I can do for the team,” he said.
Read more and the full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-03-12/thomas-up-for-the-challenge
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Appropriate choices.
O to replace Maric.
Thomas to replace Tuck.
If Hampson goes down then O will play 1st ruck and Griff or Vickery the relief role, whilst the other stays forward.
Pity for Miles. I liked the look of his playing style/skills a lot. Would be my first choice if we get a LTI.
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why you'd want to use a blue chip KPF like Vickery in the ruck is beyond me anyway
Kenny Other... :clapping
Can we get an answer pls
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hmm human wrecking ball.
thought he had a reasonable game. was given the job on ablett and failed but most do.
thought he was one of only two who managed to win some inside ball especially early.that says a lot about where our mids are at.
hes not the answer and i still would have prefered to see miles given his promotion.
what is certain we have to find a better balance between inside and outside mids. ssems we dont have enough ball winners inside and rely on too few, and on the outside our mids are just too outside.
as much as i hate poor kicks we sure coulkd have done with a patty cripps type or crouch type in this yrs draft. we sure need some silk on the outside as well.
but mids aside our biggest problem remains with our talls right across the board.
people will say how reactionary after one game but ive said this for ages including all last yr and all preseason.
we sure as hell need to improve our development of players we are screaming out for some kids and even mature types to force a bevy of regulars out.
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that miles missed out after his preseason just shows therres something amiss in the decision making at rfc
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We need to get the son of a bitch off the rookie list
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Some Thomas vs Miles comments ;D
I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
Appropriate choices.
O to replace Maric.
Thomas to replace Tuck.
agree. Was ordinary in VFL the other day. I only saw part of the Sandy VFL game but Thomas was better at that level from what I saw. I also think he's slightly ahead of miles at afl level.
I reckon people getting a bit over board with the miles love
:clapping.....very good!!
Think he has been pretty good so far. Good rookie selection.
Bigger body. More experience.
Thomas for now. Myles for the future.
Was impressed by Thomas so he's a lock for the No. 1 rookie elevation spot.
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I stand by my comment. Miles threw in a stinker on the worst day possible.
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Some Thomas vs Miles comments ;D
I ultimately think this was the wisest choice.
Appropriate choices.
O to replace Maric.
Thomas to replace Tuck.
agree. Was ordinary in VFL the other day. I only saw part of the Sandy VFL game but Thomas was better at that level from what I saw. I also think he's slightly ahead of miles at afl level.
I reckon people getting a bit over board with the miles love
:clapping.....very good!!
Think he has been pretty good so far. Good rookie selection.
Bigger body. More experience.
Thomas for now. Myles for the future.
Was impressed by Thomas so he's a lock for the No. 1 rookie elevation spot.
To be fair many of those comments were on the back of Maric being out for a much shorter period of time. The club indicated this but kept on extending his injury rehab time.
Many said if he was going to out for 8 weeks then they should have elevated three rookies including Miles.
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I stand by my comment. Miles threw in a stinker on the worst day possible.
Even the part where you said Thomas is ahead of him at AFL level?
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I stand by my comment. Miles threw in a stinker on the worst day possible.
Even the part where you said Thomas is ahead of him at AFL level?
Yep. Thomas was very good in his appearance against Essendon in the lead-up game while Miles struggled to get a kick in the VFL. Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
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Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
I admit I thought it was neck and neck really apart from Miles being young getting the nod from me. Don't let Claw see you thought we were a better side than we are :o
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Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
I admit I thought it was neck and neck really apart from Miles being young getting the nod from me. Don't let Claw see you thought we were a better side than we are :o
:lol :lol we even played good footy in the pre-season to tease us some more. :banghead :banghead
I had them neck and neck until I went to Vic Park and watch the VFL game. Thought Miles let himself down. Was hoping he'd get the nod.
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Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
I admit I thought it was neck and neck really apart from Miles being young getting the nod from me. Don't let Claw see you thought we were a better side than we are :o
too late ive seen it and made note. ;D
on miles and thomas. geez i know thomas has many critics, im one of them well im one who cringes at some areas of his game.
geez i argued pretty hard that we should not have taken thomas under any circumstances. slow as a turtle, poor decision maker, and even worse kick. what clinched it for me was at afl level he just didnt find enough ball either.
the flip side to that was he played basically all of 2013 in the twos at p/a he was a beast and an absolute stand out at that level. he was winning plenty of ball he improved in nearly every area and imo that had to be acknowledged.
so what i cant ignore was his great form in the sanfl and the vast improvement at least statistically he has made in the afl games he has played for us. to me despite the howlers which have become fewer, i reckon hes played at a more than passable standard for afl level an the inside role hes been asked to perform..
like tuck im prepared to forgive a few things just as long as he doesnt drop away in winning contested ball laybig tackles and wins his share of clearances. for me like tuck he has made up for some obvious weaknesses by being very very good in a few other areas.
the key is to keep him at the level hes at and have him play within his limitations a bit more than he has. still needs to cut more of the howlers out of his game.hes been a decent pick up as it turns out.
miles well what can you say. doesnt really have an outstanding attribute but he just knows how to play and make decent decisions. inside he reminds me an awful lot of foley without the burst of pace. gotta give em credit for taking this kid. the bonus here is hes still only 22 and hes likely to be a good long term player for us.
im not critical of the club for not promoting miles in front of thomas. i thought the reasoning pretty sound. i would criticise em though for waiting as long as they did to promote miles and play him.
imo i reckon both have been good pick ups especially when you consider they both were nothing but rookie picks. as you know where im critical and i have argued pretty hard was we failed to adequately balance our recruiting out last yr by taking too few kids. imean to say just one 18yo still rankles me and peees me off no end.
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If you saw Thomas vs the drug cheats at punt road on the eve of the year you wouldn't begrudge Thomas his game round 1
From memory he went good vs good coast
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Yep. Thomas was very good in his appearance against Essendon in the lead-up game while Miles struggled to get a kick in the VFL. Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
"MILES STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK IN THE VFL"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-02/the-vfl-report-round-9
Richmond VFL coach Tim Clarke provides an exclusive summary of how the AFL-listed players performed at VFL level in Saturday’s win against Essendon.
Anthony Miles
35 disposals, 5 clearances
He had a terrific game. He's really been working on his outside run and it’s really coming into his game. Had 25 uncontested possession so it’s fantastic for him to start showing he can spread from a contest.
35 DISPOSALS!!!!
STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK?
At that stage (round 8), Miles had been best for Richmond in all but one game when he was third best.
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To be fair many of those comments were on the back of Maric being out for a much shorter period of time. The club indicated this but kept on extending his injury rehab time.
Many said if he was going to out for 8 weeks then they should have elevated three rookies including Miles.
Not sure how Maric's injury has anything to do with Thomas > Miles. Oh well hindsight is a wonderful thing ;D
Yep. Thomas was very good in his appearance against Essendon in the lead-up game while Miles struggled to get a kick in the VFL. Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
"MILES STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK IN THE VFL"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-02/the-vfl-report-round-9
Richmond VFL coach Tim Clarke provides an exclusive summary of how the AFL-listed players performed at VFL level in Saturday’s win against Essendon.
Anthony Miles
35 disposals, 5 clearances
He had a terrific game. He's really been working on his outside run and it’s really coming into his game. Had 25 uncontested possession so it’s fantastic for him to start showing he can spread from a contest.
35 DISPOSALS!!!!
STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK?
At that stage (round 8), Miles had been best for Richmond in all but one game when he was third best.
He was referring to the pre season. Can't remember but I thought he played okay but not near how he's performed every other game
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To be fair many of those comments were on the back of Maric being out for a much shorter period of time. The club indicated this but kept on extending his injury rehab time.
Many said if he was going to out for 8 weeks then they should have elevated three rookies including Miles.
Not sure how Maric's injury has anything to do with Thomas > Miles. Oh well hindsight is a wonderful thing ;D
Yep. Thomas was very good in his appearance against Essendon in the lead-up game while Miles struggled to get a kick in the VFL. Personally thought he had earnt it with the disclaimer I thought we were a better side than what we are. In hindsight the kid should have been promoted regardless because we suck and should be getting games into guys with upside. :lol
"MILES STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK IN THE VFL"
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-06-02/the-vfl-report-round-9
Richmond VFL coach Tim Clarke provides an exclusive summary of how the AFL-listed players performed at VFL level in Saturday’s win against Essendon.
Anthony Miles
35 disposals, 5 clearances
He had a terrific game. He's really been working on his outside run and it’s really coming into his game. Had 25 uncontested possession so it’s fantastic for him to start showing he can spread from a contest.
35 DISPOSALS!!!!
STRUGGLED TO GET A KICK?
At that stage (round 8), Miles had been best for Richmond in all but one game when he was third best.
He was referring to the pre season. Can't remember but I thought he played okay but not near how he's performed every other game
The comment I made was to do with the elevation of the Big O. It had nothing to do with Miles.
I always wanted Miles to be elevated ahead of Thomas. :thumbsup
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The comment I made was to do with the elevation of the Big O. It had nothing to do with Miles.
I always wanted Miles to be elevated ahead of Thomas. :thumbsup
I'll give you benefit of the doubt :thumbsup