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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Judge Roughneck on April 12, 2014, 12:19:46 AM
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Fire away
Stats
2014 Richmond Disposals Per Game Leaders
Rank Name Games Average
1 Brett Deledio 2 26.50
2 Trent Cotchin 4 26.00
3 Daniel Jackson 2 25.00
4 Dustin Martin 4 23.25
4 Matt Thomas 4 23.25
6 Sam Lloyd 1 22.00
7 Reece Conca 4 21.25
8 Shaun Grigg 4 20.75
9 Bachar Houli 4 19.75
10 Ricky Petterd 3 18.67
11 Brandon Ellis 4 17.25
12 Shane Edwards 4 17.00
13 Nick Vlastuin 4 15.50
14 Alex Rance 1 14.00
15 Steven Morris 4 13.75
16 Chris Newman 4 13.50
17 Troy Chaplin 4 13.25
18 David Astbury 4 12.00
18 Nathan Gordon 2 12.00
18 Orren Stephenson 1 12.00
21 Jack Riewoldt 4 11.25
22 Matthew Mcdonough 1 11.00
23 Shaun Hampson 3 10.33
24 Nathan Foley 2 10.00
24 Matthew Arnot 1 10.00
26 Benjamin Griffiths 4 9.75
27 Tyrone Vickery 4 7.25
28 Jake King 2 7.00
29 Dylan Grimes 3 6.33
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Out: Newman, Grigg, S.Edwards, Vickery
In: Deledio, A.Edwards, McDonough, Knights
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Might as well join the charade
NO changes
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In - McDonough
Out - Grigg ( omitted )
If Miles is among the best players in the magoos again this week I'll go down to Punt Rd and kneecap Petterd myself.
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Look....I mean look......look......I said look....well look......this I the crap the coach will trot out and will well...look....make excuses but look at the positives....look we have to be better an look we will make some changes but look we don't want to change the fabric of the side. Look we know Brisbane are tough to beat up there but look I think we can turn it around........pfftttt. Look
:banghead :banghead
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Out:
Newman - the game has gone past him big time
Grigg - soft
Houli - soft
Vickery - lazy
Chaplin - overrated
IN:
Batchelor - play him in his best position HBF he could be our third man up sweeper type who is willing to get the hard ball unlike Houli
Helbig - play him in the middle and rest forward as he hits in very hard. He is not a BP player. Any player is an upgrade on Grigg lets face it.
McDonough - replaces Newman
Elton - showed more in a half against the Dons at punt rd than Vickery this year
McIntosh - time to see what he has to offer as a running wingman HB player
This would be a starting point but it will never happen whilst Hardwick the spud is in charge.
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Out: Grigg, Newman, Vickery
In: Knights, McDonough, Elton
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Our structures we great.
We had lots of contested footy.
We were -19 in the second quarter last week. Nowhere near that this week.
Look Tyrone knows he's played a bad one but the. Onditions didn't suit him and we didn't deliver the ball with any purpose so he was a little frustrated at not getting prima donna passes lace out but the rest of the team will learn.
No changes I reckon.
Everything is honky dory at Punt Rd.
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Midfielder Daniel Jackson could be in doubt after experiencing hip soreness but Hardwick was unsure of the full extent of his injury.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-12/tigers-not-extinct-yet
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how many injuries do we want to have?
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Out: Grigg Newman Vickery
In: McDonough Knights McBean
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Not sure why we bother with this thread. He won't drop the non performers, Newman, Grigg, Edwards, Chaplin, Ellis and the rest.. :-\
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Ins and Outs don't matter, if our A side is performing this bad then we are stuffed
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Morris will struggle to come up, Vlastuin needs a rest(concussion) Cotch will come under scrutiny by mrp, therefore not many changes will occur due to form.
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No changes spluttering along nicely. :thumbsup
If Cotch gets suspended I hope Grigg takes the coin toss. Now there's leadership. :birthday
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IMO there are many to go before Newman. At least he will tackle.
It's the soft ones I can not take- in order of softness
Ellis
Ellis
Ellis
Grigg
Houli
To come in place of them-
Hopefully Lids
Foley, I'm not as convinced he has finish as most, the 3 quarters in 3 games isn't enough for me to make a educated opinion. Give him a go for a couple of games and not as a sub!
Knights if fit if not Lennon. And if Lennon play him forward FFS!
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IMO there are many to go before Newman. At least he will tackle.
It's the soft ones I can not take- in order of softness
Ellis
Ellis
Ellis
Grigg
Houli
To come in place of them-
Hopefully Lids
Foley, I'm not as convinced he has finish as most, the 3 quarters in 3 games isn't enough for me to make a educated opinion. Give him a go for a couple of games and not as a sub!
Knights if fit if not Lennon. And if Lennon play him forward FFS!
Have to say big tone in the "softness" stakes (and I hate using that word) of the last 2 games in particular there is one clear standout and he should be dropped but he wont be because he is a favourite and that's Ellis
He is currently playing in "no mans' land
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Given our seconds play tomorrow and with only a 4 day break, I very much doubt we will have many changes sadly.
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Outs...Jackson.groin .Hampson Knee .Vickery Heart .Grigg Heart Edwards Heart
Ins McBean (after he kicks 5 tomorrow) King
Play with 19 as we have so far this season
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IMO there are many to go before Newman. At least he will tackle.
It's the soft ones I can not take- in order of softness
Ellis
Ellis
Ellis
Grigg
Houli
To come in place of them-
Hopefully Lids
Foley, I'm not as convinced he has finish as most, the 3 quarters in 3 games isn't enough for me to make a educated opinion. Give him a go for a couple of games and not as a sub!
Knights if fit if not Lennon. And if Lennon play him forward FFS!
Have to say big tone in the "softness" stakes (and I hate using that word) of the last 2 games in particular there is one clear standout and he should be dropped but he wont be because he is a favourite and that's Ellis
He is currently playing in "no mans' land
Big question WP- do you think he can turn it around? His softness that is. I seriously don't think he can. I'm not saying the kid cannot play a bit but IMO he will always be that bloke that will be the weak link when it comes to pressure and tackling. He is Grigg mk2
I know it's harsh and I know he is still young but I bet you we will be talking about the same thing with him in 5 years time.
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Big Tone I'm starting to see what you're seeing regarding Ellis. :help
Won't get dropped.
Can I ask what Titch Edwards is doing in the square at centre bounces? :banghead
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Titch is in the centre square to make sure we turn it over to the opposition,saves farting around later on in the play.
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Titch is in the centre square to make sure we turn it over to the opposition,saves farting around later on in the play.
:lol
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Titch is in the centre square to make sure we turn it over to the opposition,saves farting around later on in the play.
:lol :rollin :lol
Yes rather than draw out a play with an inevitable scrimmage, lack of skill, missed opportunity and eventual loss of control resulting in an eventual clean spread and take away by the opposition, Dimma and the boys give themselves a breather by putting Titch in there knowing full well the end result. That is what I call proactive management of resources.
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Knights and a edwards have to get in, lloyd was fantastic, newmanx vickeryx rievoldtx griggx,
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Knights and a edwards have to get in, lloyd was fantastic, newmanx vickeryx rievoldtx griggx,
Knights and Azza are still a few weeks away and will play vfl first
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Azza for sure. Has more potential to upset and infuriate the fans as a quick fix solution.
Azza is a lock and he'll come in for Gordo or Lloyd. :thumbsup
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Outs...Jackson.groin .Hampson Knee .Vickery Heart .Grigg Heart Edwards Heart
Ins McBean (after he kicks 5 tomorrow) King
Play with 19 as we have so far this season
Name the 19 last night. Good luck getting half way :lol
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Titch is in the centre square to make sure we turn it over to the opposition,saves farting around later on in the play.
:lol I laughed. Genius. Means we can just blame one player too rather than watching 21 blokes butcher it. (I left Vickery out because you have to get the ball to butcher it)
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Azza for sure. Has more potential to upset and infuriate the fans as a quick fix solution.
Azza is a lock and he'll come in for Gordo or Lloyd. :thumbsup
Big Lloydy has peaked
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I have a horrible feeling Hardwick won't make changes unless he is forced to eg Cotchin gets suspended
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I have a horrible feeling Hardwick won't make changes unless he is forced to eg Cotchin gets suspended
Can do without his 1 dinky kick and 30 possie game
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I have a horrible feeling Hardwick won't make changes unless he is forced to eg Cotchin gets suspended
Can do without his 1 dinky kick and 30 possie game
How many more times do you want to say the same thing weirdo??
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I have a horrible feeling Hardwick won't make changes unless he is forced to eg Cotchin gets suspended
Can do without his 1 dinky kick and 30 possie game
How many more times do you want to say the same thing weirdo??
Can do without his 1 dinky kick and 30 possie game
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lol. We can't drop Vickery, who else we got who towers over a defender but muffs every sitter, then bumbles after the ball like a baby elephant with chains tangled round it's legs?
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lol. We can't drop Vickery, who else we got who towers over a defender but muffs every sitter, then bumbles after the ball like a baby elephant with chains tangled round it's legs?
Brad Miller anyone.
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lol. We can't drop Vickery, who else we got who towers over a defender but muffs every sitter, then bumbles after the ball like a baby elephant with chains tangled round it's legs?
Brad Miller anyone.
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At least Brad Miller gave a good handle out the back
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lol. We can't drop Vickery, who else we got who towers over a defender but muffs every sitter, then bumbles after the ball like a baby elephant with chains tangled round it's legs?
Brad Miller anyone.
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At least Brad Miller gave a good handle out the back
Those smart phones aren't very smart methinks or is Chuck already half "Molly the Monk"
:lol
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IMO there are many to go before Newman. At least he will tackle.
Newie was brilliant in one passage of play where he made 3 tackles in a row.
Shame he was near completely unsighted for the rest of the night.
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Out Chaplin S.Edwards Vickery Grigg Newman Ellis (all ommitted)
In Anyone who is prepared to have a fair dinkum crack at the contest.
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Out:
Grigg. Houli. Chaplin. Hampson
I'd have Newman next in line
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In - McDonough
Out - Grigg ( omitted )
If Miles is among the best players in the magoos again this week I'll go down to Punt Rd and kneecap Petterd myself.
Lol, :lol
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Chaplin should be dropped on form and attitude. For defensive leader to sit 20 metres from his opponent just sets the standard all night. For a leadership group member that replaced Jack, he needs to have a good and hard look at himself.
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IMO there are many to go before Newman. At least he will tackle.
Newie was brilliant in one passage of play where he made 3 tackles in a row.
Shame he was near completely unsighted for the rest of the night.
Still, that would nearly make him BOG.
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Anyone think A.Edwards should get a game? Jack and Ty couldn't get a touch in a gay bar .
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Brad Miller. Lead up the ground to clear space for other forwards, classy. Takes a mark on the lead and gives a nice handball out the back then lays a block for his teammate.
I'm drunk/
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A.Edwards currently injured
2 weeks away
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Out - cub , not making the effort for this one :banghead
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Brad Miller. Lead up the ground to clear space for other forwards, classy. Takes a mark on the lead and gives a nice handball out the back then lays a block for his teammate.
I'm drunk/
Lmao me too haven't stopped from Friday night, need to dull the pain
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Out - Jackson (inj) & Newman(om)
In - Lids & Knights
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Out - Jackson (inj) & Newman(om)
In - Lids & Knights
Was jacko bad was he, pity he was pretty good on the night
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Brad Miller. Lead up the ground to clear space for other forwards, classy. Takes a mark on the lead and gives a nice handball out the back then lays a block for his teammate.
I'm drunk/
He did give a nice handball out the back did old Brad! :clapping
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Big question WP- do you think he can turn it around? His softness that is. I seriously don't think he can. I'm not saying the kid cannot play a bit but IMO he will always be that bloke that will be the weak link when it comes to pressure and tackling. He is Grigg mk2
I know it's harsh and I know he is still young but I bet you we will be talking about the same thing with him in 5 years time.
Sorry for the delay in replying big tone was at a wedding yesterday.
Like you I've never been a fan of the kid when it comes to his attack on the contest. Ever so often he will go in for a hard ball, lay a tackle. But and it's a big but t doesn't happen often enough. Have seen him far too often take a step away from a contest rather than attacking it.
Do I think he turn it around? I hope he can but based on what I've seen so far the answer is NO. Why? because he continues to get games despite this clear deficiency in his game. What he did last week against the Dogs by not going for that mark was unforgivable. He should have been dropped for it and told to go back and work on that until he gets it right.
Actually he should been dropped a number of times over his 3 years in the game for doing these things. But instead of dropping him and working with him to fix it the coaches reward him for it by continuing to give him games. what message does it give him? To me it is telling him those efforts are acceptable. Which is why I am extremely doubtful it can be eradicated out of his game
Which makes Cotchin's comments in the Age about shirking contest all the more laughable.
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Big question WP- do you think he can turn it around? His softness that is. I seriously don't think he can. I'm not saying the kid cannot play a bit but IMO he will always be that bloke that will be the weak link when it comes to pressure and tackling. He is Grigg mk2
I know it's harsh and I know he is still young but I bet you we will be talking about the same thing with him in 5 years time.
Sorry for the delay in replying big tone was at a wedding yesterday.
Like you I've never been a fan of the kid when it comes to his attack on the contest. Ever so often he will go in for a hard ball, lay a tackle. But and it's a big but t doesn't happen often enough. Have seen him far too often take a step away from a contest rather than attacking it.
Do I think he turn it around? I hope he can but based on what I've seen so far the answer is NO. Why? because he continues to get games despite this clear deficiency in his game. What he did last week against the Dogs by not going for that mark was unforgivable. He should have been dropped for it and told to go back and work on that until he gets it right.
Actually he should been dropped a number of times over his 3 years in the game for doing these things. But instead of dropping him and working with him to fix it the coaches reward him for it by continuing to give him games. what message does it give him? To me it is telling him those efforts are acceptable. Which is why I am extremely doubtful it can be eradicated out of his game
Which makes Cotchin's comments in the Age about shirking contest all the more laughable.
Most weeks I go to the footy with about 4 other Tiger mates of mine and ever since Ellis has played for us I'd been telling the boys what I thought of him. All of them said I was being to harsh, but now everyone of them think the same thing. Now I've tried not to shove my opinion of him down people's throat but the time has come for this kid to spend some time in the twos. Let's be honest, what hope did the kid have playing along side Grigg and Houli and the likes! :cheers
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The Barometer - Round 5
Herald-Sun
April 14, 2014
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: If Damien Hardwick wants to make a statement at selection this week he has plenty of options. Shaun Grigg had a stinker against Collingwood and is not the same player he was last season, Shane Edwards is having no impact, Brandon Ellis has gone backwards, Nathan Gordon struggled in his second game and we all know how Ty Vickery is travelling.
ON THE CUSP: Some good signs from the VFL with Richmond’s new stand-alone team recording its first win of the year, even if it was against former affiliate Coburg. Nathan Foley was busy, top draft pick Ben Lennon played his best game, half-forward Brett O’Hanlon had 24 disposals and Matt McDonough and Brad Helbig provided plenty of run from defence — something sorely lacking at the elite level right now. Jake King kicked a goal but didn’t do much else to push for a senior recall.
AL PATON’S FORECAST: The Tigers’ situation is dire but even they couldn’t lose to Brisbane right now. Getting out of town might not be a bad thing and Richmond doesn’t mind playing at the Gabba — the Tigers have won their past five games there. A 2-3 record doesn’t look nearly as bad as 1-4 and a win will instil some confidence ahead of make-or-break clashes against Hawthorn and Geelong. With key trio Deledio, Rance and Maric unlikely to be back for those games, they’ll need it.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-barometer-see-whos-injured-and-who-could-be-in-line-for-promotion-at-your-afl-club/story-fndv7pj3-1226883740402
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AL PATON’S FORECAST: The Tigers’ situation is dire but even they couldn’t lose to Brisbane right now.
I wouldnt count on it, it will be the case of who are the bigger poo men, and at the moment the RFC can rival anyone
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Out Dalton Hardwedge
In M. Williams.
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The Barometer - Round 5
Herald-Sun
April 14, 2014
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: If Damien Hardwick wants to make a statement at selection this week he has plenty of options. Shaun Grigg had a stinker against Collingwood and is not the same player he was last season, Shane Edwards is having no impact, Brandon Ellis has gone backwards, Nathan Gordon struggled in his second game and we all know how Ty Vickery is travelling.
ON THE CUSP: Some good signs from the VFL with Richmond’s new stand-alone team recording its first win of the year, even if it was against former affiliate Coburg. Nathan Foley was busy, top draft pick Ben Lennon played his best game, half-forward Brett O’Hanlon had 24 disposals and Matt McDonough and Brad Helbig provided plenty of run from defence — something sorely lacking at the elite level right now. Jake King kicked a goal but didn’t do much else to push for a senior recall.
This is Hardwick, so only Gordon will be dropped and Foley will come back in.
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In the Mix - Round 5
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
April 15, 2014
RICHMOND
The Tigers lacked pace against Collingwood in round four and Nathan Foley could address that shortcoming after an impressive performance for Richmond's VFL team at the weekend. The midfielder racked up 20 possessions and eight clearances and used the ball well going inside 50. Vice-captain Brett Deledio is another who would spark the Tigers, but he remains a week-to-week proposition as he battles Achilles soreness. He appears certain to miss Thursday night's clash against the Brisbane Lions and, with an undefined recovery timeline, could be sidelined for more than a month. Prized draftee Ben Lennon (17 possessions in the VFL) is gaining form and getting closer to an anticipated debut.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-04-15/in-the-mix-round-five
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The Barometer - Round 5
Herald-Sun
April 14, 2014
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: If Damien Hardwick wants to make a statement at selection this week he has plenty of options. Shaun Grigg had a stinker against Collingwood and is not the same player he was last season, Shane Edwards is having no impact, Brandon Ellis has gone backwards, Nathan Gordon struggled in his second game and we all know how Ty Vickery is travelling.
ON THE CUSP: Some good signs from the VFL with Richmond’s new stand-alone team recording its first win of the year, even if it was against former affiliate Coburg. Nathan Foley was busy, top draft pick Ben Lennon played his best game, half-forward Brett O’Hanlon had 24 disposals and Matt McDonough and Brad Helbig provided plenty of run from defence — something sorely lacking at the elite level right now. Jake King kicked a goal but didn’t do much else to push for a senior recall.
This is Hardwick, so only Gordon will be dropped and Foley will come back in.
Would just typify the selection process at Richmond. One set of criteria for the noobs, another for the regular gimps
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Petterd straight in for Cotch
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Yep dimma deseprate to get pettard back Im hearing
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gaf, I hear it is a super draft this year, hence Carltank and Melbourne fighting it out for last spot, the way we been going, maybe we should get into some of that action lol
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Julian de Stoop from FoxSports news via his twitter account saying Vickery not on the plane to Brissie
Said Foleey, Lennon, Petterd and MacDonough are
One of those you would expect to be the 23rd spare man. So that would mean 3 changes to the team.
Out: Vickery (omitted), ?, ?
Grigg and Edwards would be my outs along with TV.
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Vickery had to go. Needs to have a good hard think about how much he wants to play football whilst stewing in the VFL.
Newman and Grigg should also be under the pump by any measure.
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gaf, I hear it is a super draft this year, hence Carltank and Melbourne fighting it out for last spot, the way we been going, maybe we should get into some of that action lol
They were saying that about last year's draft and 2012's this far out......only start taking notice if they're still saying it after the champs.....