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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on May 17, 2014, 07:23:56 PM
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Astbury obviously out.
Cotchin very doubtful as apparently he shouldn't have played on after quarter time with an ankle injury and by the end of the game he couldn't run :P.
Fire away ... ?
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Jeezus. im tempted to reel off too many names....
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Jeezus. im tempted to reel off too many names....
Reel em off Dookie
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Jeezus. im tempted to reel off too many names....
Reel em off Dookie
I'll have a go
Grigg- Promote Miles no ifs or buts
Astbury- Give Elton a go
Ellis- give Helbig a go Ellis has been in our bottom 3 this year
Houli- Pettard
Chaplin lucky to stay in due to Astbury getting injured.
4 year contract for this kouratha. Plop Plop Plop.
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Outs: Vickery, Hampson, Grigg, Houli, Astbury (inj), Cotch (inj). Min. you can probably add McDonough, Foley, Ellis. and more.
Ins: Miles, Elton....maybe Banfield....i dunno its a sad sad state of affairs.
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Outs: Vickery, Hampson, Grigg, Houli, Astbury (inj), Cotch (inj). Min. you can probably add McDonough, Foley, Ellis. and more.
Ins: Miles, Elton....maybe Banfield....i dunno its a sad sad state of affairs.
I thought Foley was ok in terms of what our other players produced. Tried to run hard he needs a couple of games to get up to speed.
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Assuming there's no rookie upgrades. (otherwise Elevate Darrou if Astbury's an LTI):
Grigg, Houli, Vickery, Hamspud, Chaplin, Astbury(inj)
Arnot, Petterd (RFC BOG in the VFL today), Elton, Stephenson, Grimes, Dea
stuff me what an embarrassment of riches we have....
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Elton in for Vickery
Darrou in for Astbury if he gets promoted
Dea in for Chaplin
Miles in for Grigg if he gets promoted
Helbig in for Houli
Elton can play down back if we are stretched for height.
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Yep Vickery on the chopping block and Hampson.
How on earth did we win 15 games and have a 123% last year.
Giants will murder us in contested footy next week.
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Outs: Vickery, Hampson, Grigg, Houli, Astbury (inj), Cotch (inj). Min. you can probably add McDonough, Foley, Ellis. and more.
Ins: Miles, Elton....maybe Banfield....i dunno its a sad sad state of affairs.
I thought Foley was ok in terms of what our other players produced. Tried to run hard he needs a couple of games to get up to speed.
Started off on fire. For mine was weak afterwards. Finished the game with just 5 kicks.
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Out - Grigg, Chaplin, Hampson, Houli, Astbury (inj)
In - Arnot, Thomas, Maric, Dea, Knights or Miles if elevated
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OUTS: Astbury (inj), Ellis, Grigg, Houli, Hampson, Chaplin
INS: Grimes, Miles, Helbig, Petterd, Dea, McIntosh
Time to play kids to see what they've got
The Cameo King Tyrone survives to play in the ruck until Bug Ivan is ready
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Would rather Orren ruck than makes me Sickery.
If Sickery remains in the side based solely on him being a ruck then I'll take Orren any day of the week.
FFS promote Miles too. Put King on the LTIL and let Miles run amok against his old side.
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Would rather Orren ruck than makes me Sickery.
If Sickery remains in the side based solely on him being a ruck then I'll take Orren any day of the week.
FFS promote Miles too. Put King on the LTIL and let Miles run amok against his old side.
Don please don't do this too me ;D
Jake King is on the LTIL has been for 3 weeks now, they could have promoted Miles weeks ago
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Hickery Dickory Dock
Vickery is a crock.
The Clock struck 2,
Our premiership window blew
I hope he breaks a hock
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Would rather Orren ruck than makes me Sickery.
If Sickery remains in the side based solely on him being a ruck then I'll take Orren any day of the week.
FFS promote Miles too. Put King on the LTIL and let Miles run amok against his old side.
best thing that can happen for us now is for us to lose again against GWS with the likes of Chaplin and Grigg and Hampson and a few of the others in the side.
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Would rather Orren ruck than makes me Sickery.
If Sickery remains in the side based solely on him being a ruck then I'll take Orren any day of the week.
FFS promote Miles too. Put King on the LTIL and let Miles run amok against his old side.
Don please don't do this too me ;D
Jake King is on the LTIL has been for 3 weeks now, they could have promoted Miles weeks ago
Are they waiting for round 11 cut off. FFS WP what are they waiting for?
Kid is a land mine ready to explode.
If these results can't sway their hand then this club is not only weak on field but stupid off it.
This kid could win the Liston on half a season of footy.
The intensity this kid plays with is clearly lacking.
Wait we wouldn't want any of the senior core catching this alien disease called intensity.
Quick get the sloth shots ready and return things back to their normal and rightful state.
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Are they waiting for round 11 cut off. FFS WP what are they waiting for.
Kid is a land mine ready to explode.
If these results can't sway their hand then this club is not only weak on field but stupid off it.
This kid could win the Liston on half a season of footy.
Who bloody knows
Then again not promoting him protects the favourites from being dropped I suppose ;D
I've got bigger things to error about
I've got the Players Sponsors dinner to go to on Tuesday night. :( :(
Wonder if all of them will front up ;D
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Depends who you sponsor
Obviously not S.Grigg
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Are they waiting for round 11 cut off. FFS WP what are they waiting for.
Kid is a land mine ready to explode.
If these results can't sway their hand then this club is not only weak on field but stupid off it.
This kid could win the Liston on half a season of footy.
Who bloody knows
Then again not promoting him protects the favourites from being dropped I suppose ;D
I've got bigger things to error about
I've got the Players Sponsors dinner to go to on Tuesday night. :( :(
Wonder if all of them will front up ;D
Have fun the mood of the club will be sombre given results and Tommy's funeral on Monday.
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Cotchin isn't a big loss. He's been crap all year so bring in Mile
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Depends who you sponsor
Obviously not S.Grigg
No don't sponsor him but knowing my luck will be on my table
Or worse Chaplin ;D
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Depends who you sponsor
Obviously not S.Grigg
No don't sponsor him but knowing my luck will be on my table
Or worse Chaplin ;D
Send regards on behalf of the extended OER family if that's the case WP. ;D
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Depends who you sponsor
Obviously not S.Grigg
No don't sponsor him but knowing my luck will be on my table
Or worse Chaplin ;D
Show them Rampstars capitalized threads. That should scare the poo out of them! ;D
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OUTS: Astbury (inj), Ellis, Grigg, Houli, Hampson, Chaplin
INS: Grimes, Miles, Helbig, Petterd, Dea, McIntosh
Time to play kids to see what they've got
The Cameo King Tyrone survives to play in the ruck until Bug Ivan is ready
I really feel for Astbury. He has been one of the few shining lights this year and to be cut down by injury again to put it mildly is very disappointing. Must play the kids.
Agree bring in Miles, Helbig, McIntosh. Agree bring in Dea and Grimes. Would bring in Arnot rather than Petterd. Must drop Hampson as well as others named. Hopefully Cotch pulls up okay.
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These are the changes that have to be made for the sake of our future:
Grigg out - Miles in
Chaplin out - Elton in ( will never happen, but has to. chaplins gone )
Astbury out - Grimes or Dea in
Cotchin out - Arnott in
Vickery out - insert small forward here. I guess Petterd will do, at least he has a crack but we desperately need a silky small forward eg kennedy harris, eddy betts, rioli.
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From: Thomas Miles Maric Elton Arnott - in
Take your pick - out
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WP doubt sean will be there most likely he would be at home watching re runs of color test pattern
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These are the changes that have to be made for the sake of our future:
Grigg out - Miles in
Chaplin out - Elton in ( will never happen, but has to. chaplins gone )
Astbury out - Grimes or Dea in
Cotchin out - Arnott in
Vickery out - insert small forward here. I guess Petterd will do, at least he has a crack but we desperately need a silky small forward eg kennedy harris, eddy betts, rioli.
Grimes didnt play well for the reserves yesterday. he looks down on confidence and form.i though Dea did some nice things and played with confidence.
Arnott went alright although he made some bad errors. Pettard read the play well just his kicking let him down.
Banfield was front and centre at the drop of the ball in the fwd line and was handy. wouldnt be suprised if he gets tried out soon
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I rate Dea. Bring him in.
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When its all set and done,dropping players and bringing others in is just shifting the deck chairs on the titanic.
Its the titanic that needs to be fixed as many here have alluded
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I'm all for the axe to swing. Season is gone. Time to blood some more kids.
Changes:
Hampson out - Stephensen in (couldn't possibly do any worse)
Astbury inj - Darrou in (need to see if this kid can play)
Chaplin out - Grimes in (couldn't possibly do any worse)
Vickery out - Elton in (need to see if this kid can play)
Ellis out - Miles/Arnot in (couldn't possibly do any worse)
Grigg out - Helbig/Petterd in (couldn't possibly do any worse)
Would be happy with any of those changes...
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OK, I've settled a little now so can probably make more rational selections now rather than -'get rid of half the team they are all rubbish!!!'
So here are my selections -
Out: Astbury, Vickery, Grigg, Cotchin
In: Grimes, McBean, Miles, Thomas
Very lucky to survive - Chaplin, Houli & Ellis
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A question for those in the know. Why isn't Thomas being played. He is at least tough and hard and provides a contest. Maybe his disposal isn't the best BUT same as Tucky, just get him to feed it to one of our better disposal players such as Vickery or Hampson? FFS he can't be any worse than those 2. After Saturday I was disillusioned, disappointed and disheartened. The 3 D's and who were we beaten by? The D's! How Ironic.
100% agree for Miles to be promoted. Our club is a laughing stock and disgrace. (another D). Play the kids. Even throw Jack R out. He is just not performing or producing.
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A question for those in the know. Why isn't Thomas being played.
Why aren't we playing a shyte, slow, unskilled recycled hack? Well seeing as he ticks most of Hardwick's boxes, that is a good question indeed.
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A question for those in the know. Why isn't Thomas being played. He is at least tough and hard and provides a contest. Maybe his disposal isn't the best BUT same as Tucky, just get him to feed it to one of our better disposal players such as Vickery or Hampson? FFS he can't be any worse than those 2. After Saturday I was disillusioned, disappointed and disheartened. The 3 D's and who were we beaten by? The D's! How Ironic.
100% agree for Miles to be promoted. Our club is a laughing stock and disgrace. (another D). Play the kids. Even throw Jack R out. He is just not performing or producing.
I am not "in the know" but IMHO its players like Thomas and the strategy in bringing these types to the club is the reason we find ourselves in the mess we currently sit in
It is these "mature" re-cycled players that offer us nothing long term, prevents the likes of Miles, McIntosh, Helbig etc getting senior exposure and for us to see if they are going to make it. Miles was a good rookie decision because he is young and long term is an option. Thomas isn't.
Pity that those in change refuse to promote him
If we were in the "window" of being close to flag then yeah a Thomas is good idea but facts are we aren't anywhere near that. But like what happened back after finals in 2001 the footy dept and the club believed we were closer to ultimate success than what we clearly are. And we drafter/traded according to that. Thats what we've done in the last 2 years and it is now biting us
Yes Thomas is tough at the contest but that's about it. His disposal is terrible and his decision making not much better. He was recruited supposedly as a back up if we sustained a lot of injuries, again clearly that isn't the case because he got games ahead of others at the start of the season. Throw in the fact he was promoted before Miles shows that the "backup" theory was just a ruse
You want to flick Hampson & Vickery then you replace then with Elton, Dea, etc not recycled players
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A question for those in the know. Why isn't Thomas being played. He is at least tough and hard and provides a contest. Maybe his disposal isn't the best BUT same as Tucky, just get him to feed it to one of our better disposal players such as Vickery or Hampson? FFS he can't be any worse than those 2. After Saturday I was disillusioned, disappointed and disheartened. The 3 D's and who were we beaten by? The D's! How Ironic.
100% agree for Miles to be promoted. Our club is a laughing stock and disgrace. (another D). Play the kids. Even throw Jack R out. He is just not performing or producing.
I am not "in the know" but IMHO its players like Thomas and the strategy in bringing these types to the club is the reason we find ourselves in the mess we currently sit in
It is these "mature" re-cycled players that offer us nothing long term, prevents the likes of Miles, McIntosh, Helbig etc getting senior exposure and for us to see if they are going to make it. Miles was a good rookie decision because he is young and long term is an option. Thomas isn't.
Pity that those in change refuse to promote him
If we were in the "window" of being close to flag then yeah a Thomas is good idea but facts are we aren't anywhere near that. But like what happened back after finals in 2001 the footy dept and the club believed we were closer to ultimate success than what we clearly are. And we drafter/traded according to that. Thats what we've done in the last 2 years and it is now biting us
Yes Thomas is tough at the contest but that's about it. His disposal is terrible and his decision making not much better. He was recruited supposedly as a back up if we sustained a lot of injuries, again clearly that isn't the case because he got games ahead of others at the start of the season. Throw in the fact he was promoted before Miles shows that the "backup" theory was just a ruse
You want to flick Hampson & Vickery then you replace then with Elton, Dea, etc not recycled players
Thanks for the detailed response.
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Here I go again -
Outs:- Grigg, Houli, Hampson, Chaplin, Astbury (injured,onto LTI for the season).
Ins:- Arnot, Dea, Miles (after elevation for Astbury), Elton, Pettard.
Rain is a real possibility in Sydney, so go small, gutsy & solid where possible.
Griffiths plays ruck, changes with Elton. Would even consider McBean instead of Elton. McBean is a mega-tall, but his mobility & ground play is better than Elton in the wet. Either are better than Hampson rucking. Ivan next week & Griff goes to CHF ....
Fingers crossed Cotchin is ok ... :pray If not go with Thomas.
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Thomas got plenty of the ball Saturday but he make so many shocking decisions which resulted in turn overs. Only kicks as a last resort and is too happy handball the ball even though team mates are under pressure.
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Just play McBean please
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for me id like to see the following side. i know it wont happen but it is time to draw the line in the sand and set the bar at the very minimum we are prepared to cop. for me no more pea hearts if possible if you dont go when its your turn if you refuse to tackle and chase and work when we dont have the ball then see ya later. if you cant learn from your mistakes and continue to make the same howlers week after week see ya later its unacceptable.
7 outs and even then theres a few still there who could be in with the others.
fb/ morris - rance - grimes
hb/ dea - elton - helbig
c/ deledio - vlastuin - conca
r/ hampson - cotchin - miles.
hf/ lennon - griffiths - martin.
ff/ lloyd - riewoldt - a edwards.
int/ jackson - thomas - foley - mcdonough.
that is 7 ins. dea, elton, helbig,grimes, a edwards, miles, thomas.
outs grigg, houli, vickery, ellis, s edwards, astbury, chaplin. astbury aside that accounts for the majority of weak soft pricks or those who continually fold under pressure.. fair dinkum thomas may turn it over but he will at least have a real dip and put it all on the line. just have him do the inside bullocking work and plan accordingly.
reckon azza edwards deserves a go as well he compliments the talls we have fwd.
the other one people will jump up and down about is foley staying, but i reckon for the first time in a while some of the signs were good.
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Out: Astbury (injured) Vlastuin (damaged hand, wont play according to Footy classified)
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Agree about Foley, Claw. I thought he played OK and showed some signs that a bit of his explosiveness is back. That is his weapon.
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I'm pretty happy Vlastuin is out. We will lose now which is a positive for draft picks, the lower the better as we simply aren't good enough and have a 9-16 side
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The Barometer - Round 10
Herald-Sun
May 20, 2014
RICHMOND
ON THE BLOCK: This could be a long list. Skipper Trent Cotchin (ankle) is confident he’ll be right to play despite coach Damien Hardwick taking a more conservative approach. So many players were disappointing against Melbourne and for many it’s a serious trend. Troy Chaplin and Bachar Houli are leaders at the club but they aren’t showing it on the field, Ty Vickery is Ty Vickery, Shaun Grigg can find the pill but butchers it, Ben Griffiths shows signs but can’t put four quarters together, Brandon Ellis has stalled in his development and Steve Morris might not be able to cut it at this level. There will be one forced change against the Giants with luckless defender David Astbury — one of the few Tiger improvers this year — out with another knee injury.
ON THE CUSP: Damien Hardwick says he will reward VFL form so you can put the house on Anthony Miles being promoted from the rookie list to take on his old side. He had another 32 touches against Box Hill on Saturday as did Matt Thomas — and at least you can rely on those two to put their heads over the ball. Dylan Grimes will replace Astbury while Ricky Petterd and Brad Helbig were in the best again and Ivan Maric got through a half OK, but Hardwick says he needs a couple more weeks to be ready for AFL action.
AL PATON’S FORECAST: Oh boy. Forget finals calculations, the Tigers need to figure out how to play a winning brand of football. The slick transition that made Richmond great to watch in 2013 has disappeared, but then it’s hard to get the game on your terms if you can’t win the footy in the first place. Maybe some players thought the improvement curve of the past four years would continue and forgot that requires hard work. Some hard questions will be asked at Punt Rd this week and if there isn’t a response against GWS there could be a nationwide power failure as microwaves go into a membership-frying meltdown.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/the-afl-barometer-whos-hot-whos-not-and-whos-in-line-for-selection-in-round-10/story-fndv7pj3-1226922729390
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OK with the news of Flossy definitely out I need to change my selections
Out - Astbury, Vlaustin, Cotchin(inj), Vickery, Grigg
In - Grimes, Arnot, Miles, Petterd, Thomas
I would prefer the likes of Petterd and Grimes to have earned their spots through outstanding performances at VFL level but we need Petterd for his contested marking and versatility instead of Vickery who looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane and Arnot for his attack on the ball and inside work over rather than Grigg whose role is almost obsolete now as an uncontested ball magnet.
Grimes is a direct swap for Astbury and Miles and Thomas are contested ball machines which we desperately need.
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Outs: Vickery, Grigg, Chaplin, Vlastuin
Ins: Miles, Arnott, Elton, Dea
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I'd keep Chaplin to have him embarrassed by Cameron, Boyd or Patton.
He can then have a permanent holiday in the twos.
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Outs: Vickery, Grigg, Chaplin, Vlastuin
Ins: Miles, Arnott, Elton, Dea
Astbury has to come out also ;) so who replaces chaplin and Astbury in backline? Otherwise I dont have a problem with the intent on the ins. :thumbsup
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Outs: Vickery, Grigg, Chaplin, Vlastuin
Ins: Miles, Arnott, Elton, Dea
Astbury has to come out also ;) so who replaces chaplin and Astbury in backline? Otherwise I dont have a problem with the intent on the ins. :thumbsup
grimes to play the chaplin role ffs we have a 195cm/100kg bloke who cant play 1v1 and worse is not expected to.
for astbury give elton a game has played some footy down back is a great size and if it doesnt work out we can possibly swap griffiths back and send elton fwd.
dea for vlastuin, helbig for houli. azza edwards yeah that wont go down well for vickery. miles for grigg. thomas for s edwards.
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In the mix: round 10
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
May 20, 2014
RICHMOND
Rookie Anthony Miles is available to be promoted to the senior list for the rest of the season, and form suggests he should be selected immediately against his former club Greater Western Sydney. The midfielder has been the best-performed player for Tigers' VFL team this season, turning in another superb performance at the weekend with 31 possessions. Matt Thomas (31 and 10 clearances) also put his hand up to return for his first game since round five if captain Trent Cotchin (ankle) is unavailable. Ricky Petterd (28) was effective across half-back. Coach Damien Hardwick has suggested ruckman Ivan Maric is still two weeks away from returning at AFL level after resuming in the VFL.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-20/in-the-mix-round-10
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Out
Ellis Grigg Houli Hampson Chaplin Vickery Astbury Vlaustin (last two inj, rest omitted)
In
Miles Arnot Elton Stephenson Grimes Pettard Dea Helbig
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For me Griffiths efforts last week were putrid. I would play him in the ruck this week for 90% of the day. Make the lazy pr!ck run and get fit. Run him into the ground and teach him that last week is not acceptable. If he gets hurt, he gets hurt. It's not like he is up against Will Minson.
Drop Vickory and play Elton. He can change with Griff that 10% in the ruck but mostly up forward.
Miles plays, Arnot plays and Thompson plays, all in the middle. At the very least they will have a crack. Grimes, Helbig and Dea come in too.
Grigg, Ellis, Houli, Hampson get dumped
Astbury and Vlastuin injured.
Just make a statement Dimma, nobody really cares who they are and who comes in, the season is over, you have nothing to loose now. It's not even a tough decision now, it's the only one.
What gets me with Dimma is he was tough as nails as a player, where is that now, he just puts up with weak efforts from blokes.
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Unfortunately the Coach is in denial. I have this horrible feeling he won't make any real meaningful changes apart from the forced changes. It would be good if he showed some courage in the selections. In Arnot Helbig Grimes, Miles, Elton and O'Hanlon. Out Astbury(inj), Vlas(inj), Houli, Grigg, Hampson and Edwards. Should only play two talls in the forwardline. Griff in ruck Vickery as back up. Hope Cotch pulls up.
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Hardwick like most coaches in a similar position will be still holding on to the slim hope that his favourites will finally rise to the occasion and turn the season around. After we lose to GWS I think he will remove his rose coloured glasses, throw them to the ground and stomp on them continuously. Following that we might get to see some of the changes we have wanted for some time i.e usual suspects Grigg, Chaplin, Edwards, Vickery etc. etc.
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In Maric Grimes, Miles, Petterd,
Out Astbury Vlaustin Vickery. Hampson
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Lol at the fools wanting Pettard in
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Lol at the fools wanting Pettard in
well his in ;D
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l guess 2 very good games gets you in
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l guess 2 very good games gets you in
Ha ha right o
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If grigg doesnt get sent back to the 2's this week, i'll be setting up a kickstarter fund to dump 5 x truckloads of manure to Punt Road.
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On a serious note .they couldn't play Vickery or Griffiths again together
Either one stays or both go and they bring Orren back
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l guess 2 very good games gets you in
Its laughable, good compared to what? Think our definition of good would be a lot different to other clubs, this then leads on to a totally separate discussion of rewarding mediocrity which is the crux of our current predicament.
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On a serious note .they couldn't play Vickery or Griffiths again together
Either one stays or both go and they bring Orren back
Vickery dont work with anyone, Even l wouldn't like to work with him. ;D
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On a serious note .they couldn't play Vickery or Griffiths again together
Either one stays or both go and they bring Orren back
Vickery dont work with anyone, Even l wouldn't like to work with him. ;D
Not a fan Monky?
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On a serious note .they couldn't play Vickery or Griffiths again together
Either one stays or both go and they bring Orren back
Vickery dont work with anyone, Even l wouldn't like to work with him. ;D
Not a fan Monky?
no l'm not a fan of Vickery. For his age & training over the years he dont do enough & don't try hard enough. he has no excuses. get in there & go harder or stand aside
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He is running out of time. When he first came to Richmond I thought hed develop into a great ruckman but he isnt hard enough for that role. Its very disappointing.
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He is running out of time. When he first came to Richmond I thought hed develop into a great ruckman but he isnt hard enough for that role. Its very disappointing.
His hard enough but l just think he don't want it enough
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He is running out of time. When he first came to Richmond I thought hed develop into a great ruckman but he isnt hard enough for that role. Its very disappointing.
His hard enough but l just think he don't want it enough
Perhaps both
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If grigg doesnt get sent back to the 2's this week, i'll be setting up a kickstarter fund to dump 5 x truckloads of manure to Punt Road.
Judging by the comments at around 5.20, better get the shovel out:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-21/dimmas-dissection-round-9
FFS....
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If grigg doesnt get sent back to the 2's this week, i'll be setting up a kickstarter fund to dump 5 x truckloads of manure to Punt Road.
Judging by the comments at around 5.20, better get the shovel out:
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-05-21/dimmas-dissection-round-9
FFS....
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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there will be no changes. there never is. only for injuries.
The selectors are delusional with their favourites. the delusion is almost hird~like.
supposedly Hardwick dressed the players down after the Melbourne loss but that counts for nothing if you keep selecting the same poo.
as the saying goes, the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting different results
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If you continue to do what you do, you will get what you get
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Out Grigg Vlastuin
In Miles Dea