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Tigers 'tried to copy Hawks' admits Riewoldt
Peter Ryan
afl.com.au
May 21, 2014 3:30 PM
RICHMOND may have erred in trying to replicate defending premier Hawthorn's precise kicking game-plan, forward Jack Riewoldt believes.
In searching for answers as to why the club has won just two of its first eight games this season after making the finals in 2013, Riewoldt gave a stuff assessment of what might have gone wrong.
"Unfortunately we went one way with our game, and the game went the other way really," Riewoldt said.
He said the club had learned from its mistakes and would get back to playing "good, tough footy" but he denied complacency was an issue.
The 25-year-old key forward said the club had struggled to execute the plan put in place but it had learned plenty during the process.
"We probably tried to copy Hawthorn a little bit too much with our kicking style," Riewoldt said.
"We probably need to rely a little bit more on natural progression, which I think we'll get back to, actually I know we'll get back to.
"You try new things and unfortunately you learn from your mistakes. We've learned from it as a playing group, as a coaching group and as a football club as a whole."
Riewoldt, who has kicked 17 goals from eight games this season, said change was part of any club's search to get better.
Unfortunately it had not yielded the results Richmond hoped.
"I think we would be pretty boring if we didn't try new things. We're trying to be ahead of the game. We're trying to invent something new that can shape the game and get it on our terms," Riewoldt said.
Despite Riewoldt's comments, statistics suggest Richmond played in a similar style to Hawthorn in 2013 anyway.
Its percentage of short kicks and kicking efficiency has only changed slightly and it still has a high kick-to-handball ratio compared to the rest of the competition.
The Tigers are not playing on as often after a mark and their points from forward half stoppages are only down marginally.
Richmond might just be struggling for form.
Riewoldt said he was committed to helping the club work through the slump and thought a turnaround would come sooner rather than later.
"The two biggest things in AFL footy that lead to a successful side are momentum and confidence, and at the moment we don't have any momentum and there are a lot of guys are down on self-confidence and we need to find a way to get momentum back and get our season up and rolling," Riewoldt said.
Richmond faces Greater Western Sydney this Saturday before games against Essendon, North Melbourne and Fremantle.
STAT 2013 2014 (rounds 1-9)
Short kicking 65.2%(5th) 65.7% (13th)
Mark play-on 35.9% (7th) 30.9% (15th)
Fwd Half Clearance Points 17.3 (8th) 14.9 (13th)
Kicking Efficiency 66.6% (3rd) 64.3% (9th)
Kick-Handball Ratio 1.51 (2nd) 1.35:1 (6th)
Richmond inside 50 target percentage
2013 2014
J. Riewoldt 28.3% J. Riewoldt 35.8%
L. McGuane 21.5% T. Vickery 24.5%
T. Vickery 17.9% B. Griffiths 10.1%
A. Edwards 14.1% A. Edwards 8.7%
J. King 9.1% N. Gordon 7.6%
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-05-21/tigers-tried-to-copy-hawks
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"I think we would be pretty boring if we didn't try new things."
Yes. It is.
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in this game you are dead copying someone else.
You have to come up with the game plan everybody else wants to copy.
If you don't you are left behind......
Idiots. We don't even have the personnel to do what Hawthorn do anyway.
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Hardwick totally stuffed up
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He said the club had learned from its mistakes and would get back to playing "good, tough footy" but he denied complacency was an issue.
:ROTFL :ROTFL :ROTFL
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Honestly.
Well said Jack. Absolute disgrace that Charlie Chaplin took his leadership spot. Laughing stock we are.
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Jack Riewoldt says Richmond tried to copy Hawthorn’s game plan
Rebecca Williams
Herald-Sun
May 21, 2014 2:28PM
RICHMOND spearhead Jack Riewoldt has questioned the Tigers game plan and blamed a collective lack of confidence for a horror start to the season.
Riewoldt says his own form and that of most of his teammates has not been up to standard this year, but has backed the Tigers to turn their fortunes around.
The dual Coleman Medallist said a Hawthorn-style short-kicking game style hadn’t worked at Tigerland.
“Unfortunately, we went one way with our game, and the game went the other way really,” Riewoldt said.
“We probably tried to copy Hawthorn a little bit too much with our kicking style.
“We probably need to rely a little bit more on natural progression, which I think we’ll get back to, actually I know we’ll get back to.
“You try new things and unfortunately you learn from your mistakes. We’ve learned from it as a playing group, as a coaching group and as a football club as a whole.”
The spotlight on the Tigers intensified after last week’s 17-point loss to Melbourne at the MCG, which saw the side slump to 16th on the ladder with a 2-6 record.
Riewoldt said the Tigers, who travel to Sydney to take on the 17th-placed Giants this weekend, just needed to build confidence and momentum.
“I certainly find it frustrating that we’re not winning. It’s not through lack of effort and it’s not through lack of trying new things,’’ Riewoldt said.
“We’ve got a lot of guys at the moment who are just lacking confidence.
“The two biggest things in AFL footy, I reckon, that lead to a successful side are momentum and confidence.
Jack Riewoldt admits he isn’t performing to expectations this year. Source: News Corp Australia
“At the moment, we don’t have any momentum and there are a lot of guys that are down on self-confidence.
“We need to find the way to get that momentum back to get our season up and rolling.
“I fully believe in the group, the coaching staff, the administration and every single person who is inside the four walls of the Richmond Football Club and that it will happen sooner rather than later.’’
Riewoldt, who has kicked 17 goals this season, took responsibility for his own performances, but said only a handful of players at the club were playing up to expectations.
“Re: my form, I’m not playing as great as I have done in the past,’’ Riewoldt said.
“But I think we are all sort of shooting each other in the foot, none of us are playing well and only three or four of us are playing up to standard for this season.
“It just has a flow-on effect for everyone, really.
“We need to get confidence in individuals, we need to get confidence in ourselves and ultimately that will lead to team confidence and more success.’’
Riewoldt admitted he could have handled the media ban he imposed on himself at the start of the season differently.
“It’s a weird one and I look back on it and you learn from your mistakes. It’s something that I probably wouldn’t have worded it the way that I did,’’ Riewoldt said.
“But I’m still just going to be taking a step back and doing more sort of club media, I’m really enjoying doing that. But the other stuff, I’ll let other people do that. I’m just trying to let my footy to do the talking at the moment.
“Every single ounce of my energy and my focus is going into getting this football club back to where it deserves to be and where we were last year.’’
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/jack-riewoldt-says-richmond-tried-to-copy-hawthorns-game-plan/story-fndv8t7m-1226925978732
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Get your own gameplan, Damien
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Hawthorn play nothing like Richmond hahaha what a load of wank that is. Anyone who believe that is delusional :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin
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"I think we would be pretty boring if we didn't try new things."
Yes. It is.
It would also make this forum boring.
Well said Jack. Refreshing and honest.
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Why don't they all just shut the stuff up, close the doors and fixt it. Enough with the media garbage, we have all heard enough. Just start winning stuffing games...
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From what I understand Jack copped it on AFL360 for his comments
Foolish or not give him credit for his honesty, a refreshing change
Something sadly lacking in all the things we've seen in the media this year
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Yep I prefer that from the club rather than spin and just taking the pee
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nothing wrong with that. Refreshing change i agree.
From that i take his not happy and nor should he be. Told to lose weight and play up the field.
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He should have shut his mouth & said nothing. he will be punished for that. Hopeful they will send him to St-Kilda to be with his cousin Nick. l'm over him & his antics. l would have sacked him several years ago
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He is a stuffing idiot with no concept of being part of a team.
He may as well have said the coach is poohouse, which may well be true, but you don't say it to the media when you're a player.
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l bet any money he wants to be traded come end of the season
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l bet any money he wants to be traded come end of the season
:nope :nope
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From what I understand Jack copped it on AFL360 for his comments
Foolish or not give him credit for his honesty, a refreshing change
Something sadly lacking in all the things we've seen in the media this year
Yes.
It would mean something if his performances on field were somewhat honest.
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Yep I prefer that from the club rather than spin and just taking the pee
Agree. The club needs to be honest. Sick to death of the propaganda coming from the club.
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There are currently only a handful of teams playing honest, attractive attacking footy ATM. Hawthorn, Geelong, Port, and maybe Sydney since the AFL gifted them a crème de la crème forward line (before that they were one of the worst culprits for playing negative schizen.) And Jack is on the money when he says that we tried to emulate the Hawthorn style. Dimma did learn from Clarkson after all. It worked for us to a degree last year. The problem is (a) The game has become even more defensive this year. I hoped with Freo losing the GF last year that clubs would follow the Hawthorn model, but sadly this hasn't been the case. The rolling rugby scrum is definitely in vogue. (b) Sides have collectively worked us out, that the best way to stop us is to create congestion (c) We don't have the quality to emulate the Hawthorn style which is a possession and quality disposal game anyway.
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You can't spin 16th, even Jack can see that.
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He really is a poor speaker
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I'd also add that Jack certainly wont endear himself to Hardwick with those comments either. They appear to have not been on the same page in the first place with Jack's mysterious demotion from the leadership group. Now having him criticize the coaches game plan will probably get him even further off-side.
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Club criticised for no comment and company lines.
Jack criticised for speaking out.
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Hardwick saying jack "has his foot up his ass"
Classy
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They appear to have not been on the same page in the first place with Jack's mysterious demotion from the leadership group.
Cocahes had nothing to do with Jack being removed for the leadership group
Players vote on the leadership group, they pick 'em, they stuff 'em ;D
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They appear to have not been on the same page in the first place with Jack's mysterious demotion from the leadership group.
Cocahes had nothing to do with Jack being removed for the leadership group
Players vote on the leadership group, they pick 'em, they stuff 'em ;D
if you believe that you also believe aliens live on earth.
Coach have a say dont worry about that
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They appear to have not been on the same page in the first place with Jack's mysterious demotion from the leadership group.
Cocahes had nothing to do with Jack being removed for the leadership group
Players vote on the leadership group, they pick 'em, they stuff 'em ;D
if you believe that you also believe aliens live on earth.
Coach have a say dont worry about that
Coaches have final say in Captain & V-Captain + deputy Vice Captain if they chose to have one. They
But the actual leadership group is voted on by the players & Coaches and the majority of votes for each candidate determines who's in and who's out.
So seeing there are more players voting than coaches , it's how the "Leading teams" model works and that is the model we follow
So as I said they pick 'em, they stuff 'em ;D
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Now Hardwicks threatening to axe Jack for his comments. You weak prick Hardwick, you will axe someone for FINALLY telling the truth but you condone the players that play like poo. No wonder we are all stuffed up.
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Im suprised no one is talking about the fact the leadership group will ve meeting with jack to discuss his comments and a possible dropping this week according to SEN.
Imagine Chaplin trying to have a go at ya? Wouldnt blame Jack if he told em to get stuffed tbh :clapping
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Hardwick crying after the Melbourne game at a loss to why we are so poo.
Jack let's the cat out of the bag and let's everyone know the coaches got it wrong.
Hardwick upset that everyone knows he stuffed up.
....classic.
You couldn't script this any better. What a laughing stock we are.
It just gets funnier and funnier.
:rollin
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Needs to play this week and play well - should be an audition against his new club.
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Im suprised no one is talking about the fact the leadership group will ve meeting with jack to discuss his comments and a possible dropping this week according to SEN.
Imagine Chaplin trying to have a go at ya? Wouldnt blame Jack if he told em to get stuffed tbh :clapping
hahahahahahahaha we are a pathetic club arent we.
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If I was Jack & Chaplin had a go at me, I'd kick him in the nuts and say "you protected the ball carriers about as well as you did on Saturday, Richard Cranium"
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:lol
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Where's our plan "B"??? How the hell can a coach stick to a failing plan for 8 weeks and not have plan B up his sleeve? Even in the two wins we've had blind Freddy could tell we were only winning due to an inferior opposition. Our disposal efficiency has gone from 2nd behind Hawthorn in 2013 to 9th or 10th this year so the Hawthorn model of accurate disposal sure ain't working now. FWIW Hawthorn are third this year in disposal efficiency.
But hey we will have a big win over GWS this week and everything will be back on track....... ::) ::)
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Now Hardwicks threatening to axe Jack for his comments. You weak prick Hardwick, you will axe someone for FINALLY telling the truth but you condone the players that play like poo. No wonder we are all stuffed up.
Stuff I am so stuffing furious
Grrrrrr