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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 23, 2014, 08:07:55 PM
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Brendon Gale wants Tigers to play 'exciting' footy
Jon Pierik
The Age
June 23, 2014
Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale has turned the spotlight on coach Damien Hardwick to ensure an "exciting" brand of football, as club great Kevin Bartlett called for a revamp of the game plan.
Gale, who arrived home on Saturday after spending a week at the World Cup in Brazil with club sponsor Jeep, admitted the club's poor form was hurting the bottom line, with a poor attendance of 34,633 showing up at the MCG on Friday night as the Tigers lost to the Swans by 11 points. Only 22,074 were in attendance a week earlier when Fremantle was in town.
"Clearly our form is impacting crowd numbers. The crowd against Fremantle was very disappointing but against Sydney it wasn't too far off our budgeted number," Gale said.
"As Damien has said, we want to win as many football games in the back half of the year as we can and play an exciting brand of football that will bring people through the gate."
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The Tigers have won only three matches, with just one victory in their past eight games a 113-point mauling of Greater Western Sydney.
They were criticised on Friday night for their indirect style and a desire to hold on to the ball for as long as possible, rather than looking to take the game on. They would finish with 70 more disposals and nine more clearances than the Swans.
Bartlett, the club's games record holder and former coach, urged Hardwick to rethink his game plan, as the Tigers prepare to face bottom-placed St Kilda at Etihad Stadium on Saturday.
"Yes the Tigers were competitive. In fact, a goal after the three-quarter-time siren gave the club a one-point lead [on Friday night]," Bartlett said on SEN.
"The modern game talks about contested possessions, hard-ball gets ... in fact, you can produce just about every stat to support a win or a loss. Richmond kicked one goal after the 16-minute mark of the third quarter to the game's end. It took around 250 disposals for that one goal."
The Tigers' indirect style is reinforced in the statistics this season. Last year they had the second-highest kick-to-handball ratio, excluding forward 50. In the past four weeks, they are the second lowest of all teams.
They were second to only Hawthorn in scoring from stoppages last season. This year they are 10th. Their defence is also conceding 89.5 points per game, up from 81.3 last season the third best in the league.
Bartlett said the Tigers' high-possession game plan was hard to watch.
"The modern game loves to talk about efficiency. Now, that is not very efficient football. Playing keepings off is going to drive the fans crazy," he said.
"The Tigers have to address and rethink a new way of scoring."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brendon-gale-wants-tigers-to-play-exciting-footy-20140623-zshew.html#ixzz35SISluqm
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Acknowledge Benny that 3-0-75 was a PR disaster and that the fans were the only ones to dig deep and actually contribute something to eliminate the clubs debt and that the 3 finals series was a failure as the 75K members which has now become another RFC pipedream.
Cut yours, the boards and the coaching/recruiting dept losses, go back to the draft, reevaluate admit the club took some short cuts that short term got us into the finals but long term have left us further back than where we were at the end of 2011 and then you might see some better footy.
Or if you can't be stuffed with us wait till Hawthorn plays at the G and be done with us.
The Skata Cycle. 32 years and counting. Plop Plop Plop. ŽŠ
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Hey Benny you deadbeat flog,
If we were 11 and 2 and on top of the ladder and averaging ten goals a game, we would have the 75k members and record crowds.
How about the focus is on winning games not stuffing aesthetics.
Flogs.
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Actually the article highlights something a number of people of mentioned/spoken of when the annual figures come out and that is the clubs apparent continued reliance on the fans to turn a profit whether that be via membership, FTF or bums on seats.
To borrow a saying relating to our game plan, from the business side of things where's the plan B so we dont' have to be so reliant on the "on-field"?
Not meaning it be another whack but it's a fair an reasonable question I reckon especially when the season has been as diabolical as 2014 has been
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WP a wack is deserved,because many people have been saying for quite awhile now that the club should not be depended on the cash cow fans,they need other ,viable income streams.This message has gone unheeded it seems........Well RFC the fan that has supported you guys for eons appears to have had a gutfull
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Wouldn't that be the case for every club though?
Isn't it just the nature of the football clubs that on-field will have a huge impact on business?
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Agreed Richo..but this is an issue that's been festering ever since we lost the pub(s) to Mathieson and co,yet it appears we have done nada
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Just goes to show FTF worked and the steady increase in membership dollars earnt based on natural footy improvement equivalent to wins from 2010 onwards.
What happens next year Benny? :help
Suck eggs remember what you said in 2010. :help
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The Intelligent Richmond fans saw this problem evolving 6 weeks ago.
Will get worse next year under Hardwick and co.
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Bartlett said the Tigers' high-possession game plan was hard to watch.
"The modern game loves to talk about efficiency. Now, that is not very efficient football. Playing keepings off is going to drive the fans crazy," he said.
"The Tigers have to address and rethink a new way of scoring."
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brendon-gale-wants-tigers-to-play-exciting-footy-20140623-zshew.html#ixzz35SISluqm
If playing like we did on the weekend wins us a flag, I hope the tigers never win a flag.
Glad that Gale is finally coming around now that he can see the impact this style of football has on the clubs bottom line.
I just hope our easy draw doesn't let Hardwick off the hook. We need a coach with his own vision, who can set the trend for the future. Not a coach who copies another teams vision from 7 years ago that he never fully understood in the first place and tries to apply it to modern footy.
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Wouldn't that be the case for every club though?
Isn't it just the nature of the football clubs that on-field will have a huge impact on business?
Yep true
But the likes of C'wood or Hawthorn have those other revenue streams
As result they make $5 mill plus profits
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Personally, I'm happy to see us not have pokies revenue, that aside what are the other viable options?
I guess we had visions of tapping the Top End like Hawthorn has with Tassie but that was a debacle.
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Actually the article highlights something a number of people of mentioned/spoken of when the annual figures come out and that is the clubs apparent continued reliance on the fans to turn a profit whether that be via membership, FTF or bums on seats.
To borrow a saying relating to our game plan, from the business side of things where's the plan B so we dont' have to be so reliant on the "on-field"?
Bingo.
This year will be a total disaster financially and wipe out much of the good work of supporters who contributed greatly to the FTF.
No doubt whatsoever that they were relying on an improved on field performance to bring in the big bucks.
DISASTER!
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Personally, I'm happy to see us not have pokies revenue, that aside what are the other viable options?
I guess we had visions of tapping the Top End like Hawthorn has with Tassie but that was a debacle.
In fairness a sold game to Darwin and Cairns this year would have been great for the extra million. People don't want to watch us anyway and the losses would help get pick 1. :lol
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Would Gale actually discuss gameplans with Hardwick because going by his comments and Hardwicks game day strategies it would appear they are not in the same universe. Have yet to see anything close to resembling "exciting", in fact due to lowered expectations I get excited when I see them actually string 3 possessions together whilst moving in a forward direction.
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Would Gale actually discuss gameplans with Hardwick because going by his comments and Hardwicks game day strategies it would appear they are not in the same universe. Have yet to see anything close to resembling "exciting", in fact due to lowered expectations I get excited when I see them actually string 3 possessions together whilst moving in a forward direction.
TBBH as CEO he should have no input into how the side plays and I doubt that he does. It's just like with recruiting and drafting he has no say (rightly). He can voice an opinion but should not have any influence. It's not his job/role
His job is to run the business not the Footy Dept
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Would Gale actually discuss gameplans with Hardwick because going by his comments and Hardwicks game day strategies it would appear they are not in the same universe. Have yet to see anything close to resembling "exciting", in fact due to lowered expectations I get excited when I see them actually string 3 possessions together whilst moving in a forward direction.
TBBH as CEO he should have no input into how the side plays and I doubt that he does. It's just like with recruiting and drafting he has no say (rightly). He can voice an opinion but should not have any influence. It's not his job/role
His job is to run the business not the Footy Dept
Would the CEO normally have anything to do with the recruitment of a new coach? ( Yeah I understand that Gale was appointed after the process of appointing a coach was put into place and he took a back seat in that case)
If so, wouldn't one of the things those making the decision would be on the game plan perspective coaches want to implement?
Surely then, such discussions would not just end when the interviews do?
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Would the CEO normally have anything to do with the recruitment of a new coach? ( Yeah I understand that Gale was appointed after the process of appointing a coach was put into place and he took a back seat in that case)
If so, wouldn't one of the things those making the decision would be on the game plan perspective coaches want to implement?
Surely then, such discussions would not just end when the interviews do?
In order of the above
1/ Yes, most CEOs are included as parto any sub-committee that is established to select a coach. All clubs do that
2/ Yes again as part of the interview process the applicants would present their gameplan (short & long term), list analysis, long term strategy etc
3/ Probably didn't explain myself as well as I could have. So although he would be aware of what the plan was from being part of the interview stage I don't think he should have any input into how the coach "coaches" the side or the the style of footy it plays and I don't believe he does. As I said he can give an opinion but that's all it should be. He shouldn't be telling the coach how to do his job, Just like the coach shouldn't be telling him how to run the business side of the club.
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No, not telling the coach.
Questioning? Yes.
So yeah, there should be discussions on the matter between the two.
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Dear Brendan,
Gone are the days of blind, foolhardy financial and spiritual support of the program.
If you don't have the solution (either), 'twould be best for ALL concerned that you also stood aside.
The severity of this catastrophe can be measured by crowd attendances and the venting of loyal souls on forums such as OER.
Your supporter base is going, going......
Only way you'll get it back is starting again, and even then, there's no guarantee.
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Wouldn't that be the case for every club though?
Isn't it just the nature of the football clubs that on-field will have a huge impact on business?
Yep true
But the likes of C'wood or Hawthorn have those other revenue streams
As result they make $5 mill plus profits
Supporters are easy to fool than sponsors.
So we ain't getting more sponsor money until AFTER we start winning.
Under the heading "Location, Location, Location" I've always been a little surprised that we cannot find a way to encourage the 2.5 million punters who walk past our training venue to stop and enjoy something - beer, food, the reserves football, pre or post game entertainment during the finals series, cricket etc before going to the MCG or leaving.
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Under the heading "Location, Location, Location" I've always been a little surprised that we cannot find a way to encourage the 2.5 million punters who walk past our training venue to stop and enjoy something - beer, food, the reserves football, pre or post game entertainment during the finals series, cricket etc before going to the MCG or leaving.
Unfortunately it's part of the deal between the council/MCG/AFL that no outside vendors can compete against the licensed MCG vendors.
We are allowed to offer food to our own members or fans at our reserves games but no more than that.
I think that is a reason why you must be a member to get into Punt Road on game day?
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I think that is a reason why you must be a member to get into Punt Road on game day?
Non members and supporters of the other clubs our VFL side play are able to get into VFL games, only difference is they have to pay ;D
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Forgive my nativity WP but how can a football CEO run a football business without having some form of power in how the football team is run?
CEO runs the business but the business ultimately is football? You could have the best CEO in the world but if you are paying awful football it won't be a successful business?
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Just shows the whole footy club right at the moment does not know what to and how to react to the current on field plight. A real mess. Next year might be a write off too. :help
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Forgive my nativity WP but how can a football CEO run a football business without having some form of power in how the football team is run?
CEO runs the business but the business ultimately is football? You could have the best CEO in the world but if you are paying awful football it won't be a successful business?
How do other business run Pope? They have a CEO but they also have managers running other departments reporting to the CEO do they not? Same applies.
Or to put it another way lets look at a successful club in Geelong, do you honestly think that Brian Cook has much influence/input into the footy dept or how the footy team is run? Answer is NO; he has Neil Balme in charge of the footy dept and Balme reports to Cook. They also have people running sponsorship, membership depts etc. Cook doesn't run all those depts. he has senior people in place that report to him.
YEs a football clubs core business is football but for it to function successfully it needs to generate the income to invest in football to enable that "product" to be the best it can be.
That is a footy club's CEO ultimate responsibility, to ensure all of the business is strong/successful enough to be able to invest in its core business of football. And that involves delivering other revenues streams so when things on field turn to crap the bottom line isn't completely obliterated.
So as I said the CEO can offer an opinion, voice concerns about the on field but should they have a direct say in recruiting, team selection, gameplan and the style of footy being played? No they shouldn't and the Geelongs & Hawthorns of the comp show that they don't need to
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The last thing we want is Gale having any influence over on-field.
The teams he played in won less games than Fitzroy.
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Under the heading "Location, Location, Location" I've always been a little surprised that we cannot find a way to encourage the 2.5 million punters who walk past our training venue to stop and enjoy something - beer, food, the reserves football, pre or post game entertainment during the finals series, cricket etc before going to the MCG or leaving.
Unfortunately it's part of the deal between the council/MCG/AFL that no outside vendors can compete against the licensed MCG vendors.
We are allowed to offer food to our own members or fans at our reserves games but no more than that.
I think that is a reason why you must be a member to get into Punt Road on game day?
Maybe they could put some energy behind striking a new deal?
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The Intelligent Richmond fans saw this problem evolving 6 weeks ago.
Will get worse next year under Hardwick and co.
I seen it 4 years ago
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i seen it 30 years ago ::)
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Forgive my nativity WP but how can a football CEO run a football business without having some form of power in how the football team is run?
CEO runs the business but the business ultimately is football? You could have the best CEO in the world but if you are paying awful football it won't be a successful business?
How do other business run Pope? They have a CEO but they also have managers running other departments reporting to the CEO do they not? Same applies.
Or to put it another way lets look at a successful club in Geelong, do you honestly think that Brian Cook has much influence/input into the footy dept or how the footy team is run? Answer is NO; he has Neil Balme in charge of the footy dept and Balme reports to Cook. They also have people running sponsorship, membership depts etc. Cook doesn't run all those depts. he has senior people in place that report to him.
YEs a football clubs core business is football but for it to function successfully it needs to generate the income to invest in football to enable that "product" to be the best it can be.
That is a footy club's CEO ultimate responsibility, to ensure all of the business is strong/successful enough to be able to invest in its core business of football. And that involves delivering other revenues streams so when things on field turn to crap the bottom line isn't completely obliterated.
So as I said the CEO can offer an opinion, voice concerns about the on field but should they have a direct say in recruiting, team selection, gameplan and the style of footy being played? No they shouldn't and the Geelongs & Hawthorns of the comp show that they don't need to
Pretty sure if the performances of the Geelongs and Hawthorns were hurting the bottom line of the club that he is CEO of, Brain Cook would have a massive say on how the side needs to improve. He might not get into the nitty gritty of it but if they were playing ugly footy that the members and paying supporters didn't want to watch, he would make the changes through the Neil Balmes and then down the line.
The CEO is in charge of the entire club, I know he has managers and people below that but he is the one that ultimately can make the changes in any part of the club, especially if what is happening isn't working. It's his duty. He is not going to sit by and watch all the good work of others go to waste because a coach is to stupid to realize what needs to happen.
At the end of the day if the coaches doesn't want to listen to what the hierarchy wants then he gets sacked.
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I'd get too excited if I saw exciting footy. Like everything it's been a while :gotigers
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:shh
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The problem is we are playing unattractive footy AND losing.
People tolerate lock down football if their team is being successful with that style.
I guess in simplistic terms....
Attractive football and winning > Boring footy and winning > Attractive footy and losing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring footy and losing.
Unfortunately we are in the last category and thus nobody wants to go to games. :( :'(
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people have had a gutful of the dbl standards and hypocrisy of dimma, simple as that.
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I'd get too excited if I saw exciting footy. Like everything it's been a while :gotigers
:lol
:yep
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Attractive football and winning > Boring footy and winning > Attractive footy and losing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Boring footy and losing.
If it doubt flow diagram. Well done :thumbsup And yes i agree we are in the latter. 2012 at least had us playing attractive footy and losing by small margins. It seems like a distant memory now.
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I'd get too excited if I saw exciting footy. Like everything it's been a while :gotigers
How about playing in an MCG prelim or wait even better a GF. :help
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The problem with Richmond is they talk to much & everyone knows what's going on at the club. The club leaks worse than a sewer & Dimma's video on the game are pathetic & the club should stop them. Keep it all in house they might get somewhere.
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I think that is a reason why you must be a member to get into Punt Road on game day?
Non members and supporters of the other clubs our VFL side play are able to get into VFL games, only difference is they have to pay ;D
Yep. Sorry about that, I didn't phrase it correctly.
Meant the Punt Road function room upstairs to get a meal and booze.
I'm not positive but I think you must show your membership to get entry to the building.
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The Intelligent Richmond fans saw this problem evolving 6 weeks ago.
Will get worse next year under Hardwick and co.
I seen it 4 years ago
So did I!