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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on June 24, 2014, 01:37:56 PM
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Power forwards in great demand
Michael Gleeson
The Age
June 24, 2014 - 9:40AM
Richmond desperately needs an elite tall forward. This is not a new statement, nor is it an outdated one. This comment might have been made any time in the last decade since Matthew Richardson started to ease out of the side and it became evident Jack Riewoldt needed a sidekick, or to be a sidekick.
The Brisbane Lions have lost one of the greatest ever key forwards in Jonathan Brown. Beneath him there is nothing. The Tigers' and Lions' needs are acute.
West Coast is OK, it has Josh Kennedy and the capable Jack Darling. And Essendon has the raw as celery Joe Daniher and two others who have found life more enjoyable as backmen.
Why concentrate on these clubs? These four passed on Tom Lynch in 2010 before Gold Coast took him at pick 11. In fairness, the Suns passed on him six times before calling his name. But it is equally fair to note he was the second key forward they chose in those first 11 picks of the draft.
Lynch is not yet a star, but he is a talent. He is 199 centimetres, 100 kilograms, can mark and kick goals. He has kicked 27 goals this year at a tick over two a game. He booted three the other week against West Coast and has kicked five, four and four against Greater Western Sydney, St Kilda and the Western Bulldogs. He would be playing key forward in any of the four sides who passed on him in that draft.
Lynch was a known quantity in 2010, favoured to go early in the draft, so it is not rewriting history to wonder how he was not chosen sooner.
All of the players - Andrew Gaff, Jared Polec, Reece Conca and Dyson Heppell - taken in that draft ahead of Lynch by clubs other than the Suns are solid players. But they are not key forwards.
The best key forwards are only ever normally procured one of two ways: early in the draft, Nick Riewoldt (pick 1), Lance Franklin (5), Jarryd Roughead (2), Matthew Pavlich (4) and Josh Kennedy (4) and the trio at the Giants - Jonathon Patton (1), Jeremy Cameron (as a 17-year-old), and Tom Boyd (1).
Or, they fall graciously into the lap of the club as the bargain-price deliverance as the offspring of a former player: Tom Hawkins, Travis Cloke, Jonathan Brown, Joe Daniher.
If they don’t get them through the draft or the snappy Y chromosome of a former player, then the only way to secure an elite forward is by luck or canny recruiting (Jay Schulz, Justin Westhoff, Jack Gunston) or having deeper pockets than most (Franklin and Kurt Tippett).
Which means seizing the chance of a tall forward in drafts diluted by the new clubs was even more important.
Conca is a good player but Richmond’s need is in the position Lynch plays, not where Conca bustles about. Richmond might have been a little shy in using a top-10 draft pick on another tall forward when Tyrone Vickery remained (then and now) an unfulfilled talent.
And Brisbane? Well, Polec is now back home in Adelaide. Say no more.
Heppell won the Rising Star, Essendon felt it had Daniher (father-son) coming, and presumed Michael Hurley would still be a forward, so the choice of Heppell could not be considered an error.
The reason that overlooking Lynch remains a surprise is so many clubs struggle to have one key forward regarded as elite.
Greater Western Sydney has three. One has already been third in the Coleman medal, another plays like Hawkins, and the third has only played three games but from what he promised as a teenager is already pencilled in as elite.
Gold Coast also has three: Lynch, Sam Day and Charlie Dixon.
Adelaide should have had the best forward set-up in the AFL had it kept Tippett and Gunston, but now it has only Taylor Walker in the top bracket.
Collingwood has only Cloke and potentially Ben Reid - should he ever get on the field.
Carlton has nothing elite. Fremantle has Pavlich, Geelong has Hawkins and the Hawks Jarryd Roughead, Gunston and arguably David Hale.
Jesse Hogan is yet to play a game but is Melbourne’s long-term saviour. It should have had Mitch Clark too but for illness. Chris Dawes is not elite.
Drew Petrie at North Melbourne has been very good, but not great. Aaron Black is promising but in the mould of Stewart Crameri at the Western Bulldogs he looks better suited in support.
Port has Westhoff and the better-than-expected Schulz. Nick Riewoldt has a vacuum beneath him at St Kilda.
That leaves Sydney with the best of all - Sam Reid, Adam Goodes and, of course, Tippett and Franklin.
The resentment to the Swans and their cost of living allowance by rival cubs was that this allowance not only added life, it added power forwards. The Swans were able to buy Tippett and Franklin at a time when other clubs were scratching about to find one forward.
Obtaining two is the difference between good team and great, between flag and another year of disappointment.
What it also means is the attempted harvesting of the Gold Coast and GWS is most likely to begin with the plethora of tall forwards. It is difficult to conceive they could afford to hold on to all of them.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/power-forwards-in-great-demand-20140623-zsjcs.html
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"oh look, we believe we have one in Ty Vickery"
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All I hear in that article is how lopsided the concessions to the new teams are
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We should trace for Elton or McBean or Griffiths
Could be good options with jack
I'd give a 2nd round pick
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We also desperately need a alternate game plans and a better work ethic/culture in the playing group which I would imagine takes priority over a forward.
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Rubbish article , so we neglected a lanky teenage forward in the year jack won a Coleman , oooh we re idiots ....gimme a break , is this comedy hour :whistle :wallywink :banghead :shh
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We also desperately need a alternate game plans and a better work ethic/culture in the playing group which I would imagine takes priority over a forward.
:lol :clapping
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How about a second decent ruckman.
Another gorilla KPP backman.
A small crumbing forward.
A mid size forward.
A hard at it half back who doesn't squib is accountable and uses the footy on both sides of his body.
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We also desperately need a alternate game plans and a better work ethic/culture in the playing group which I would imagine takes priority over a forward.
We may have a decent footy team on hour hands. :thumbsup
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The best key forwards are only ever normally procured one of two ways: early in the draft
Or, they fall graciously into the lap of the club as the bargain-price deliverance as the offspring of a former player
If they don’t get them through the draft or the snappy Y chromosome of a former player, then the only way to secure an elite forward is by luck or canny recruiting.
Sooooo you can get a forward a many number of ways, just like every other player in the draft?
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LOL at Patton and Boyd elite. Promising yes, elite pull the other one.
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
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I have always been of the belief that you cannot have a good crack at a premiership without a good CHF.
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We ll secure a key forward with our top 4 pick , no doubt
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
Do you think that McBean could be that 'Gunston' type?
I know he is taller but is very, very agile. I know he is skinny still but should just run and not try and get into wrestles with opposition opponents. Seems really smart from the few times I have seen him play, which is what Gunston is.
Wouldn't need to get 30 kicks or take 10 contested marks but could chime in with 2 or 3 goals roaming around and getting on the lead. IMO should play him ASAP to give him a taste for what is required at the level.
Could only leave the big bodied forward we desperately need.
Get Garlett and the forward line is looking a whole lot more dangerous. (Give them Griffiths)
Throw in Chip Frawley and Mundy through FA and draft that KPF with our first pick we need and we are one our way.
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
I think drafting the most talented potential key forward isn't going to mean diddly squat if our forward coach/developing team is as useless as a idiot flavoured lolly pop. Look at Jack, our only decent forward and you can argue that he hasn't improved much from his 2010 Coleman year. We could have a forward line with Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron, Patton/Tom Boyd, and a pick in the top 5 of the ND and I still think we'd only kick 1 goal in 70 minutes of play.
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
I think drafting the most talented potential key forward isn't going to mean diddly squat if our forward coach/developing team is as useless as a idiot flavoured lolly pop. Look at Jack, our only decent forward and you can argue that he hasn't improved much from his 2010 Coleman year. We could have a forward line with Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron, Patton/Tom Boyd, and a pick in the top 5 of the ND and I still think we'd only kick 1 goal in 70 minutes of play.
Spot on
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You need to win the ball first. We need pacey midfielders who can break the lines. We need a good inside midfielder to support Miles and Cotchin. We need a quality small forward. It is pointless drafting another tall forward if when the ball hits the deck no one can crumb it. Other areas need addressing first rather than putting all eggs on getting a so called power forward
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How's Richo's fitness lately?
:thumbsup
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'Carlton has nothing elite'
As crap as we are at the moment that line warmed my heart a little bit.
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Whilst not elite, on Sunday, Elton Todd started hitting contests a bit like a Chris Dawes type. Yes, it's VFL and yes Chris Dawes isn't elite. But right now a forward crashing packs and bringing the ball to ground and causing disruption would be a good start imho.
Ben Lennon also looked more like a hit up half forward. Man he can hit a target.
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l been saying this for many many years :banghead
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We should throw everything at Jezza Cameron this off-season. He is exactly what we need.
Offer them our top pick and a player like Tyrone
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You need to win the ball first. We need pacey midfielders who can break the lines. We need a good inside midfielder to support Miles and Cotchin. We need a quality small forward. It is pointless drafting another tall forward if when the ball hits the deck no one can crumb it. Other areas need addressing first rather than putting all eggs on getting a so called power forward
its also pointless having a midfield that can win it get it in there quick and have no one to convert.
get the horse in front of the cart for once.
it will take at least 4 plus yrs for any tall we take to impact games. half decent mids do it in one or two. its the development time that says we must fix the talls first. if that means another low position next yr then so be it. ffs we all realise by now we must go back into development mode for two or 3 seasons surely.
the aim should be to have a good group of talls med and smls all hitting their straps together at the one time.
i remember a silly club who once took a bloke called fiora over a bloke called pavlich.
i remember an even sillier club, sillier because they failed to learn any sort of lesson, and took a bloke called tambling aver a bloke called franklin. failure to grab one of the two outstanding tall fwds available to us that yr still haunts us. i would jump at on of the three outstanding talls available imo if there at our pick. id be doing every thing i can to get a crack at two of em, if that means off loading a quality player so be it.
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It would be nice to have a 2nd elite forward, but we at least have 1.
Other areas need to be addressed first.
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i would jump at on of the three outstanding talls available imo if there at our pick. id be doing every thing i can to get a crack at two of em, if that means off loading a quality player so be it.
Usually don't agree with your throwing everything to get a KPF but it's time we do. We've tried being astute with later picks and ended up with promising players that never deliver so now it's time to go hard even if it means giving up something of quality
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
Do you think that McBean could be that 'Gunston' type?
I know he is taller but is very, very agile. I know he is skinny still but should just run and not try and get into wrestles with opposition opponents. Seems really smart from the few times I have seen him play, which is what Gunston is.
Wouldn't need to get 30 kicks or take 10 contested marks but could chime in with 2 or 3 goals roaming around and getting on the lead. IMO should play him ASAP to give him a taste for what is required at the level.
Could only leave the big bodied forward we desperately need.
Get Garlett and the forward line is looking a whole lot more dangerous. (Give them Griffiths)
Throw in Chip Frawley and Mundy through FA and draft that KPF with our first pick we need and we are one our way.
tone my gut feel is most blokes over 197cm lose their speed and agility or at the best come back to the pack at afl level. reckon beaner needs to drastically bulk up to have a consistent impact at afl level. what happens when he gets up to size. does the pace and agility go .
for mcbean i see three potential roles for him. none of em depend on him being super agile or super quick. they all need him to bulk and improve in the air.
my preference for him is at chb. i have my own reasons for this but wont go into them. i think dustin fletcher when i think of liam.
he could play kpf but i have real concerns about his aerial work or more to the point marking prowess. i dont see his agility and pace being a real advantage at afl level not up against the quick tall 195cm and under kpds..
the club seem to think he will become a ruckman they could be right im not so sure. if he is a future ruckman it will be more a david hale which should not be sneezed at i suppose. where does that leave our tall fwd situation though.
lets address the need . lets address the need not in half measures but full on if need be. you know if we end up with too many tall fwds just look at what clubs are prepared to pay for them with a bit of development behind them.
also i agree give this kid some game asap. they should also be getting games into elton as a priority they must have some real concerns over vickery and griffiths and surely they can see the possible need to cut em or move em on.
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Vickery will be a very good player in time.
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Vickery will be a very good player in time.
..in time for what? The 2025 E.J. Whitten Legends match?
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Vickery will be a very good player in time.
as if
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Vickery will be a very good player in time.
Absolutely. :lol :rollin :lol
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in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds. one like gunston one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.
i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need. but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids. and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12 i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,
Do you think that McBean could be that 'Gunston' type?
I know he is taller but is very, very agile. I know he is skinny still but should just run and not try and get into wrestles with opposition opponents. Seems really smart from the few times I have seen him play, which is what Gunston is.
Wouldn't need to get 30 kicks or take 10 contested marks but could chime in with 2 or 3 goals roaming around and getting on the lead. IMO should play him ASAP to give him a taste for what is required at the level.
Could only leave the big bodied forward we desperately need.
Get Garlett and the forward line is looking a whole lot more dangerous. (Give them Griffiths)
Throw in Chip Frawley and Mundy through FA and draft that KPF with our first pick we need and we are one our way.
tone my gut feel is most blokes over 197cm lose their speed and agility or at the best come back to the pack at afl level. reckon beaner needs to drastically bulk up to have a consistent impact at afl level. what happens when he gets up to size. does the pace and agility go .
for mcbean i see three potential roles for him. none of em depend on him being super agile or super quick. they all need him to bulk and improve in the air.
my preference for him is at chb. i have my own reasons for this but wont go into them. i think dustin fletcher when i think of liam.
he could play kpf but i have real concerns about his aerial work or more to the point marking prowess. i dont see his agility and pace being a real advantage at afl level not up against the quick tall 195cm and under kpds..
the club seem to think he will become a ruckman they could be right im not so sure. if he is a future ruckman it will be more a david hale which should not be sneezed at i suppose. where does that leave our tall fwd situation though.
lets address the need . lets address the need not in half measures but full on if need be. you know if we end up with too many tall fwds just look at what clubs are prepared to pay for them with a bit of development behind them.
also i agree give this kid some game asap. they should also be getting games into elton as a priority they must have some real concerns over vickery and griffiths and surely they can see the possible need to cut em or move em on.
I know it maybe wishfull thinking but I'm hoping he turns out like Dean Cox. At his best he was an extra midfielder with his agility and running capacity.. His marking and kicking (on both sides of his body) also were like no other big man I've seen in my time.
Just looked up images of a young Dean Cox and his body shape is almost identical to that of McBean now.
Fingers crossed that FJ has got one right. :pray
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Vickery will be a very good player in time.
..in time for what? The 2025 E.J. Whitten Legends match?
Vickery will be a very good player in time.
Absolutely. :lol :rollin :lol
Vickery will be a very good player in time.
as if
Absolutely he will.
He is 24 and has played 83 games, and injury hit years aside, is tracking nicely.
Big blokes take longer to find their best and he has shown enough to say his best years will be very good.
Yes he has had a poor season this year but Wayne Carey would have struggled up front of the sort of ball movement exhibited this year.
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He's not a natural forward. He should be played as a either a roving ruckman in the Jim Stynes mould or on the wing ala Richo 2008. Brief rests in the goal square at the most. He's a runner with agility and good skills in traffic, he needs to be where the action is and creating the play - waiting around for delivery and worrying about timing runs, creating leads, where to stand and trying to read the incoming play just doesn't suit him, the less thinking time he has, the better. Having said all that I just don't think he has enough desire to make it.
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I hope we are after Patton. Be a great mix with Jack.
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IMHO, surely current priority and structural need has to be midfield depth with at least another 3 A grade mifielders required. Clubs generally only get A grade midfielders in the top 10 picks.
RFC has 1 - Cotchin, with Martin developing towards A grade as he can genuinely turn a game - consistency & engine is his current playing weakness.
Critically Deledio is not genuine A grade. Honest player, hard runner with good skills & doesn't get enough chop out assistance but is really a solid B.
RFC needs a KPF that will compete first and foremost to create ground ball opportunities and space for an A grade midfield to contribute goals, so the secondary KPF needs to be a role player not superstar. RFC has not had that secondary KF role player that can contribute 40+ goals.
Junk Time Jack - well he is Jack and picks & chooses when he goes and has never really stood up in a big game when it has really counted. Mentioning that his game style has never really fitted with Dimma's game plan.
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Maybe he doesn't stand up because when it is time to stand up our midfield is getting belted and the ball is in our defense
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Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.
Defensive 50's (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For
Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.
What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.
Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls. The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.
Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment. This has to be priority!
Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).
We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done. Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible. First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co. 2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.
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Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.
Defensive 50's (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For
Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.
What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.
Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls. The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.
Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment. This has to be priority!
Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).
We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done. Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible. First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co. 2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.
Who are the "and Co" you are referring to?
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Was a typo Shaun17, he meant to write "unco".....
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Here is a basic formula for being a successful football club.
Defensive 50's (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score Against
Inside 50s (Quantity x Conversion Rate) = Score For
Winning is when Score for is greater than Score against.
What we recruit really has to depend on which area can have the greatest impact on the above formula.
Currently we have one quality tall in the forward line and no quality smalls. The quantity of ball coming in isn't too bad, the quality of delivery/movement is poor and the conversion rate is very poor.
Game plan aside, a quality tall would make the biggest difference to our Inside 50s Conversion Rate and have greatest impact on our list at the moment. This has to be priority!
Secondary, we need a quality running forward (not small forward, quick marking forward), small defender (not small player but quick player who can play on small forward), running defender (quick with elite skills), tall defender (able to stand in a hole), couple of good outside midfielders (quick with good skills) and a developing ruck man (no bean stalks, no lumbering giants, mobile with mans body).
We need all of those players in the next draft so we need to be aggressive and be willing to trade anyone and everyone to get the job done. Preferably we need to get rid of as many of those medium tier duds that we have as possible. First tier, Edwards, Houli, Grigg, Vickery and Co. 2nd tier, Ellis, Conca, Jackson and Co.
pretty much agree with all that. reckon we have a need for a big bodied contested ball winning mid with pace and decent skills as well.. havent looked but compared to most other sides id say we are down a little in this area. wehave a reliance on deficient players like thomas in this area.
the most glaring weakness of our side has always been skills and the resultant turn overs so many glass half full players..another is the wrong types performing roles they arent really suited to.
i also think we have great need to draft a young big bodied kpd. i say this with an eye on 2 or 3 yrs down the track.
imo we cant address all our needs in one go. we need to embrace or go back to a development mode for a few yrs with the win loss column not as important as getting the list right.
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Was a typo Shaun17, he meant to write "unco".....
Ahhhh that makes sense, he should have included Hampson then because he is the biggest unco I have seen for quite a while