Richmond desperately needs an elite tall forward (Age)

[tigs2011]

in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds.  one like gunston  one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.

i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need.  but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids.  and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12  i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,

I think drafting the most talented potential key forward isn't going to mean diddly squat if our forward coach/developing team is as useless as a idiot flavoured lolly pop. Look at Jack, our only decent forward and you can argue that he hasn't improved much from his 2010 Coleman year. We could have a forward line with Riewoldt, Jeremy Cameron, Patton/Tom Boyd, and a pick in the top 5 of the ND and I still think we'd only kick 1 goal in 70 minutes of play.

Spot on

[eliminator]

You need to win the ball first. We need pacey midfielders who can break the lines. We need a good inside midfielder to support Miles and Cotchin. We need a quality small forward. It is pointless drafting another tall forward if when the ball hits the deck no one can crumb it. Other areas need addressing first rather than putting all eggs on getting a so called power forward

[1965]

How's Richo's fitness lately?

 

[Dice]

'Carlton has nothing elite'

As crap as we are at the moment that line warmed my heart a little bit.

[HKTiger]

Whilst not elite, on Sunday, Elton Todd started hitting contests a bit like a Chris Dawes type.  Yes, it's VFL and yes Chris Dawes isn't elite.  But right now a forward crashing packs and bringing the ball to ground and causing disruption would be a good start imho.

Ben Lennon also looked more like a hit up half forward.  Man he can hit a target.

[TigerMonk]

l been saying this for many many years 

[Willy]

We should throw everything at Jezza Cameron this off-season. He is exactly what we need.
Offer them our top pick and a player like Tyrone

[the claw]

You need to win the ball first. We need pacey midfielders who can break the lines. We need a good inside midfielder to support Miles and Cotchin. We need a quality small forward. It is pointless drafting another tall forward if when the ball hits the deck no one can crumb it. Other areas need addressing first rather than putting all eggs on getting a so called power forward

its also pointless having a midfield that can win it get it in there quick and have no one to convert.
get the horse in front of the cart for once.
it will take at least 4 plus yrs for any tall we take to impact games. half decent mids do it in one or two. its the development time that says we must fix the talls first. if that means another low position next yr then so be it. ffs we all realise by now we must go back into development mode for two or 3 seasons surely.
the aim should be to have a good group of talls med and smls all hitting their straps together at the one time. 
 i remember a silly club who once took a bloke called fiora over a bloke called pavlich.
i remember an even sillier club, sillier because they failed to learn any sort of lesson, and took a bloke called tambling aver a bloke called franklin. failure to grab one of the two outstanding tall fwds available to us that yr still haunts us. i would jump at on of the three outstanding talls available imo if there at our pick. id be doing every thing i can to get a crack at two of em, if that means off loading a quality player so be it.

[wayne]

It would be nice to have a 2nd elite forward, but we at least have 1.

Other areas need to be addressed first.

[Yeahright]

i would jump at on of the three outstanding talls available imo if there at our pick. id be doing every thing i can to get a crack at two of em, if that means off loading a quality player so be it.

Usually don't agree with your throwing everything to get a KPF but it's time we do. We've tried being astute with later picks and ended up with promising players that never deliver so now it's time to go hard even if it means giving up something of quality

[the claw]

in many ways the article is correct.
we are screaming out for not one but two tall fwds.  one like gunston  one like cloke. our trouble is the numbers we have in this area dont look likely.

i reckon where we go wrong is we have blokes like vickery griffiths, elton mcbean and none of em look like quality kpps. i keep on saying it. forget about the numbers of each type and actually figure out what we likely have.
vickery griffiths , mcbean. we are way behind the 8 ball befroe we even start with these three if we are chasing kpfs. i ask again how many 200cm players heve ever become accomplished key fwds. funny i for one have been saying exactly what that article goes on about even when we won 15 games.
our trouble is we have holes everywhere so kpfs is not the only criteria type we need.  but i for one would like to see the talls take precedence over the mids.  and there are some very strong and good reasons why you should do this.
durdin or mccartin at pick 3 or 4. if we found a way to snare say pick 10 or 12  i would seriously look at lamb on top.
there is every chance decent mids will be available from pick 20 onwards as they are in every draft,

Do you think that McBean could be that 'Gunston' type?
I know he is taller but is very, very agile. I know he is skinny still but should just run and not try and get into wrestles with opposition opponents. Seems really smart from the few times I have seen him play, which is what Gunston is.
Wouldn't need to get 30 kicks or take 10 contested marks but could chime in with 2 or 3 goals roaming around and getting on the lead. IMO should play him ASAP to give him a taste for what is required at the level.
Could only leave the big bodied forward we desperately need.
Get Garlett and the forward line is looking a whole lot more dangerous. (Give them Griffiths)
Throw in Chip Frawley and Mundy  through FA and draft that KPF with our first pick we need and we are one our way.

tone my gut feel is most blokes over 197cm lose their speed and agility or at the best come back to the pack at afl level. reckon beaner needs to drastically bulk up to have a consistent impact at afl level. what happens when he gets up to size.  does the pace and agility go .

for  mcbean i see three potential roles for him.  none of em depend  on him being super agile or super quick. they all need him to bulk and improve in the air.
my preference for him is at chb. i have my own reasons for this but wont go into them. i think dustin fletcher when i think of liam.

he could play kpf but i have real concerns about his aerial work or more to the point marking prowess.  i dont see his agility and pace being a real advantage at afl level not up against the quick tall 195cm and under kpds..

the club seem to think he will become a ruckman they could be right im not so sure. if he is a future ruckman it will be more a david hale which should not be sneezed at i suppose. where does that leave our tall fwd situation though.

lets address the need . lets address the need not in half measures but full on if need be. you know if we end up with too many tall fwds just look at what clubs are prepared to pay for them with a bit of development behind them.

also i agree give this kid some game asap. they should also be getting games into elton as a priority they must have some real concerns over vickery and griffiths and surely they can see the possible need to cut em or move em on.

[The Big Richo]

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

[Diocletian]

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

..in time for what? The 2025 E.J. Whitten Legends match?

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Vickery will be a very good player in time.

as if

[Hellenic Tiger]

Vickery will be a very good player in time.

Absolutely.