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Tigers eye midfielders, forward in draft
Jake Niall
The Age
June 28, 2014 - 8:30PM
Richmond has prioritised quality midfielders and a key forward in the draft and is not expected to pursue Melbourne free agent defender James Frawley.
The Tigers expect to make six or seven changes to the list, with a number of players’ futures still to be determined, but the club is staying the course and believes radical change is not necessary despite the team’s disappointing fall this year.
Richmond was seen as a potential destination for Frawley, but the club feels it is well-served for key backs, given Alex Rance’s return, the improvement – prior to injury – of David Astbury, with Dylan Grimes and Jake Batchelor also able to provide support.
But the Tigers are keen to find a stronger key forward to support Jack Riewoldt and feel they need more midfield class. They have made a midfielder or key forward their priority for the draft, in which they are assured of a top 10 choice and could have one as high as five to seven depending on results.
Richmond is not likely to be aggressive in free agency, partly because few of the players potentially available fit their age profile. Fremantle’s David Mundy, 29 next month, is considered too old for the Tigers, who are more likely to get involved in trades than chasing expensive free agents.
The club’s measured optimism – and wish to avoid radical change – is based on a view that the core of its side remains relatively young, with Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin, Riewoldt, Rance, Brandon Ellis, Nick Vlastuin and Reece Conca all in their mid-20s or younger, and Brett Deledio still 27.
The Tigers signed a number of players on one-year contracts, which gives the club flexibility. Veterans Chris Newman and Jake King are among those out of contract, along with Ben Griffith.
St Kilda and the Brisbane Lions are both keen on drafting a key forward, with Geelong Falcon Patrick McCartin and giant forward/ruck Peter Wright from Calder Cannons viewed, at least at this stage, as the obvious early selections, though recruiters say there are fewer standouts this season.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-eye-midfielders-forward-in-draft-20140628-zspop.html#ixzz35wLJXW4r
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if this is genuine from the club its the first sign of admitting to a rebuild
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Why no young half back? Our defense is just not that talented. But then again neither is our midfield depth good enough or half forward.
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if this is genuine from the club its the first sign of admitting to a rebuild
Not a rebuild. Moving players on & filling places where they should have done better the last few seasons. The forward line has always been a problem when we play top 8 teams they don't have the ability to produce at the level required. Dont be surprised if there are some shock trades in trade season. Blokes like Griffiths could be moved on as they have had there chance & not produced. Clubs can't wait around for these players like they have done in the past. Some others who can't hit up forwards will go as well.
As for a half back flanker you will see players like McDonough who played well yesterday to fill that spot. l seen more in this player than some of our other players.
RFC does need another VFL coach to take control & knows how to get the best out of those who wanna play the top level.
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Lloyd is another player who stands out. l don't know much about him, But he could become a very valuable player if the right people show him how.
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Agreed Monk.Of all the problems with this side the forward line has been a festering issue for a few seasons now
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Every side in the competition has a good group of core players. Ours are good but they have no point of difference from a Geelong, a collingwood, hawthorn, swans. In fact our best players haven't been able to deliver in big games which makes them a weakness not a strength. So, the list probably needs more work than they think unless they can wave a magic leadership wand when we play genuine top 8 teams
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Tigers eye midfielders, forward in draft
Jake Niall
The Age
June 28, 2014 - 8:30PM
Richmond has prioritised quality midfielders and a key forward in the draft and is not expected to pursue Melbourne free agent defender James Frawley.
The Tigers expect to make six or seven changes to the list, with a number of players’ futures still to be determined, but the club is staying the course and believes radical change is not necessary despite the team’s disappointing fall this year.
Richmond was seen as a potential destination for Frawley, but the club feels it is well-served for key backs, given Alex Rance’s return, the improvement – prior to injury – of David Astbury, with Dylan Grimes and Jake Batchelor also able to provide support.
Richmond is not likely to be aggressive in free agency, partly because few of the players potentially available fit their age profile. Fremantle’s David Mundy, 29 next month, is considered too old for the Tigers, who are more likely to get involved in trades than chasing expensive free agents.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/tigers-eye-midfielders-forward-in-draft-20140628-zspop.html#ixzz35wLJXW4r
aint delusion grand.so they have batchelor and grimes and astbury who isnt even truly established either to help out rance. they are screaming out for a big bodied kpd and they are in denial.where is the longer term planning.
batchelor is only 188 cm should be cut grimes is a squib and has about as much size as a stickman., and chaplin is a mistake waiting to happenand aged 29 but we dont need any more kpds laughable.
and dave mundy a proven big bodied inside mid who goes and gets it and uses it well would be a great fit, who gives a stuff what age he is he wont cost a draft pick. mundy for 3 yrs or hacks.we will choose the hacks lol. seems we are doomed to continue to make the same mistakes over and over. where is the freakin revue of the footy dept.
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Every side in the competition has a good group of core players. Ours are good but they have no point of difference from a Geelong, a collingwood, hawthorn, swans. In fact our best players haven't been able to deliver in big games which makes them a weakness not a strength. So, the list probably needs more work than they think unless they can wave a magic leadership wand when we play genuine top 8 teams
We do win important big games against top 8 sides. We beat Dockers, Hawks, Sydney in their prime, in their finalist years. Our problem is we are not consistent & that's because our players are not consistent every week or we don't field a stable team & have players that are saying they are fit, When in fact they are not & don't share the load when required. A fit 100% player will outrun a 80% Cotchin everyday of the week. If your ruckman is not right then your midfielders don't get their hands on the ball first. This impacts the team all over the ground. Then the key forward is used & this then makes a hole in the forward line & it goes on & on & everyone is under pressure & no-one is getting the required rest & the overrun occurs. This is what happened against Carlton before the finals & then happened again in the final & has carried over to this season. When Vickery & Griffiths needed to stand up & grab the bull by the horns the only thing they grabbed was their own horn & the rest is history. Maric at 100% takes the load of the whole team & its the same in the backline with Rance. We do have the list but it must be fit. So its important that Griffiths & Vickery at their age now need to left to the next level & be consistent & be a threat. The same applies to Rance, Batchelor, Grimes, Chaplin, ;D its plain simple football knowledge of how the modern game works. Fatigue in the modern game produces clumsy decision making & ugly skills. While our players are out playing with dogs & hair products. You got elite Collingwood players out playing other sports & getting tattoo's ;D
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Just watch that Bontompelli bloke from buldogs then ask yourself if you would rather a pick 10 by beating up on stkilda and GWS or someone like that or a jaeger o'meara
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Angus..where has 20 years of top draft picks got us?
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Angus..where has 20 years of top draft picks got us?
I hear ya, though these days clubs don't screw top 5 picks up or not as often as they used to. Until we can start to identify talent post pick 20 we should be aiming for top 5 picks instead of beating up on kids when the season is shot
A top 5 pick these days is more valuable than a top 5 pick in 2004 IMO. We spend a lot more money than we ever have. I think we do more than watch videos when deciding who to select
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Angus the issue for me anyway is not what number draft pick we get but rather how we develop those picks.....I hate to say it because its one hell of an overused word these days but its the culture of the place that breeds success.
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Lmao
That's how STUPID they are.
Not going after frawley cos back line is fine but was a KF.
LOL. Frawley can play fwd and smash it.
What a pack of idiots.
NFI
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Lmao
That's how STUPID they are.
Not going after frawley cos back line is fine but was a KF.
LOL. Frawley can play fwd and smash it.
What a pack of f ksticks.
NFI
It's you who has NFI... Frawley's no better than Astbury who we only need to pay half as much.
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Angus the issue for me anyway is not what number draft pick we get but rather how we develop those picks.....I hate to say it because its one hell of an overused word these days but its the culture of the place that breeds success.
I agree with you actually and would say it's more important than a draft pick
I just think winning meaningless games doesn't improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are
How does beating GWS with say a Newman who walked straight back in ahead of Arnot, improve the culture of the place. It's an indictment on the club we can't rarely find any player from pick 20 onwards.
Marty White yeah let's make him sub ahead of Newman and then get rid of him while handing others 3 yr deals
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I agree Angus ..the processes the club has ,such as promoting newman are not right.
I know matty white had his critics but we should never had let him go.And what makes it worse we got nada for him,as we did for mcguane..doesn't that also say something about our club.
The one thing that sticks in my mind about matty white is when he got demoted to the ressies he would go back and work his backside off in the ressies,and virtually demand to be promoted.I think that type of character is what we want at the club
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Trade Vickery but keep Griffiths? Or the other way around?
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if this is genuine from the club its the first sign of admitting to a rebuild
What a lot of rot, we have the foundation of a gilt edged midfield , add another star to cotch lids Martin Ellis conca vlas and like whoa , look out :shh
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Lmao
That's how STUPID they are.
Not going after frawley cos back line is fine but was a KF.
LOL. Frawley can play fwd and smash it.
What a pack of f ksticks.
NFI
It's you who has NFI... Frawley's no better than Astbury who we only need to pay half as much.
As opposed to you who, according to you, knows more than anyone. Haha
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Angus the issue for me anyway is not what number draft pick we get but rather how we develop those picks.....I hate to say it because its one hell of an overused word these days but its the culture of the place that breeds success.
I agree with you actually and would say it's more important than a draft pick
I just think winning meaningless games doesn't improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are
How does beating GWS with say a Newman who walked straight back in ahead of Arnot, improve the culture of the place. It's an indictment on the club we can't rarely find any player from pick 20 onwards.
Marty White yeah let's make him sub ahead of Newman and then get rid of him while handing others 3 yr deals
Excellent post Angus
You have highlighted the key for mine when you said especially the bit on bold, that's what's killed us this year, going into the season believing the list is better than what it is and recruiting thinking there's just a few gaps. We didn't have gaps we had gaping holes
"I just think winning meaningless games doesn't improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are"
I agree Angus ..the processes the club has ,such as promoting newman are not right.
I know matty white had his critics but we should never had let him go.And what makes it worse we got nada for him,as we did for mcguane..doesn't that also say something about our club.
The one thing that sticks in my mind about matty white is when he got demoted to the ressies he would go back and work his backside off in the ressies,and virtually demand to be promoted.I think that type of character is what we want at the club
That's why I keep banging on about what messages are they sending the kids busting their guts in the VFL. They are working their collective backsides off and aren't getting opportunities. But others who constantly let us down remain at VFL level...
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My guess is that we will trade Griff or Vickery for another first round draft pick plus perhaps another player of worth to try and have a stab at securing Cameron and then use our remaining first pick on a quality midfielder. Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us and are both looking for a tall forward, looking for a forward in the draft, with our first pick at this stage, will be more difficult than giving up that same pick for a trade imo.
As I said just a guess at this stage though :thumbsup
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My guess is that we will trade Griff or Vickery for another first round draft pick plus perhaps another player of worth to try and have a stab at securing Cameron and then use our remaining first pick on a quality midfielder. Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us and are both looking for a tall forward, looking for a forward in the draft, with our first pick at this stage, will be more difficult than giving up that same pick for a trade imo.
As I said just a guess at this stage though :thumbsup
We are not going to get a first round draft pick for either Vickery or Griffiths even with a 2nd player included unless the 2nd player is a very good player. IMHO best you could expect for Vickery is a late 2nd rounder.
But it's a mute point they won't trade him, they've only re-signed in the last 6 months. Plus throw in his season has been poor doubt their be many suitors
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There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go
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There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go
I agree. After missing out on Adams last year and not looking for a big name for many years, I think we will be going after Cameron this year. It may take our first round draft pick and if we can trade out a 'surplus' player such as Griff, to swap picks with GWS this would work for both teams. I would give up a 2nd tier player such as a Foley, Edwards, etc plus swapping first round draft picks and our second round draft pick to get Cameron.
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There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go
I agree. After missing out on Adams last year and not looking for a big name for many years, I think we will be going after Cameron this year. It may take our first round draft pick and if we can trade out a 'surplus' player such as Griff, to swap picks with GWS this would work for both teams. I would give up a 2nd tier player such as a Foley, Edwards, etc plus swapping first round draft picks and our second round draft pick to get Cameron.
Cannot see GWS trading Cameron, he's contracted they won't be letting him go in a hurry. They may have no choice at the end of 2015 but they have the choice in 2014 so IMO they won't trade him
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Given Cameron is out of the picture who else might be available to plug the holes up forward and in the midfield...And I'm not talking about players on other clubs scrap heaps
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Given Cameron is out of the picture who else might be available to plug the holes up forward and in the midfield...And I'm not talking about players on other clubs scrap heaps
Plenty of talent up at GWS. Boyd would be nice
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Shaun mckernan, Leroy Jetta :shh
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Shaun mckernan, Leroy Jetta :shh
That does sound more like the kind of crap we'd target - nice work Bo, one of your more believable posts.
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Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us
I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.
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Reckon we should also talk the Doggies, they need KP forwards and they have high draft picks.
Possibilities are endless ;D
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Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us
I wouldn't bet on that if I were you.
please.
without even trying that's what we do.
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Christian Petracca is the only one I want as our first pick
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
Not sure about Lids and at this stage and Cameron isn't going anywhere. But we do need to focus on GWS for players. I go to most of their games and their list is starting to settle with some very tasty fringe players not quite getting a full crack yet. Kristian Jaksch should be at the top of our list, Boyd may turn out to be surplus to their needs, Buntine, Plowman and O'Rourke are just not getting a run and would be ripe for the picking.
Then in the Ruck with Mumford playing maximum game time at present, they have Giles, Phillips, Lobb and Downie all languishing in the Magoo's.
In their Mids, Greene is unsettled and Sumner is getting little or no opportunities now with their midfield pretty much set with guys like Kelly and Whitfield already moving ahead of him.
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
Sumner is getting little or no opportunities now with their midfield pretty much set with guys like Kelly and Whitfield already moving ahead of him.
Sumner was a fanatical tiger supporter just a few years ago :thumbsup
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If Hackson, Hartley & Hardwick are all still running the show come the off-season, seriously doubt we'd get any of them.
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
Not sure about Lids and at this stage and Cameron isn't going anywhere. But we do need to focus on GWS for players. I go to most of their games and their list is starting to settle with some very tasty fringe players not quite getting a full crack yet. Kristian Jaksch should be at the top of our list, Boyd may turn out to be surplus to their needs, Buntine, Plowman and O'Rourke are just not getting a run and would be ripe for the picking.
Then in the Ruck with Mumford playing maximum game time at present, they have Giles, Phillips, Lobb and Downie all languishing in the Magoo's.
In their Mids, Greene is unsettled and Sumner is getting little or no opportunities now with their midfield pretty much set with guys like Kelly and Whitfield already moving ahead of him.
Good list Tiga, ive heard some of those names before and we can only hope... :pray
Unfortunately this is most like the case... :-\
If Hackson, Hartley & Hardwick are all still running the show come the off-season, seriously doubt we'd get any of them.
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
Thats a surprisingly fair deal. It would be hard to trade Lids though, its a bit of a club breaker. I think all the players would see the sense of it, good mid for good fwd. We get youth GWS get experience.
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Deledio for Cameron straight swap
Aint gonna happen
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Kristian jacksh is very high on our list :shh
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Omg trade deledio
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Reckon we should also talk the Doggies, they KP forwards and they have high draft picks.
Possibilities are endless ;D
Sorry but who do Doggies have? I'd take Liam Jones or Jake Stringer but I doubt they'd give them away which leaves nothing
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Reckon we should also talk the Doggies, they KP forwards and they have high draft picks.
Possibilities are endless ;D
Sorry but who do Doggies have? I'd take Liam Jones or Jake Stringer but I doubt they'd give them away which leaves nothing
Just corrected my typo, should read they NEED KPI forwards and they have high draft picks
So shop Vickery to them, you get their 2nd rounder or perhaps even their first round pick if you throw in a mid (eg Foley or Thomas ;D)
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Reckon we should also talk the Doggies, they KP forwards and they have high draft picks.
Possibilities are endless ;D
Sorry but who do Doggies have? I'd take Liam Jones or Jake Stringer but I doubt they'd give them away which leaves nothing
Just corrected my typo, should read they NEED KPI forwards and they have high draft picks
So shop Vickery to them, you get their 2nd rounder or perhaps even their first round pick if you throw in a mid (eg Foley or Thomas ;D)
Makes more sense, I was even giving you benefit of saying I'd take Liam Jones ;D
Vickery and Griff for 1st rounder and second round upgrade
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Reckon we should also talk the Doggies, they KP forwards and they have high draft picks.
Possibilities are endless ;D
Sorry but who do Doggies have? I'd take Liam Jones or Jake Stringer but I doubt they'd give them away which leaves nothing
Just corrected my typo, should read they NEED KPI forwards and they have high draft picks
So shop Vickery to them, you get their 2nd rounder or perhaps even their first round pick if you throw in a mid (eg Foley or Thomas ;D)
Makes more sense, I was even giving you benefit of saying I'd take Liam Jones ;D
Vickery and Griff for 1st rounder and second round upgrade
No chance
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GWS need a tall running defender so how about Grimes for Jaksch and a second rounder?
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GWS need a tall running defender so how about Grimes for Jaksch and a second rounder?
Only defender that would get that deal done is Rance and he could probably fetch even better than that. Failing that I'd prefer a net gain to our backline.
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GWS need a tall running defender so how about Grimes for Jaksch and a second rounder?
Only defender that would get that deal done is Rance and he could probably fetch even better than that. Failing that I'd prefer a net gain to our backline.
Not sure if Grimes fits the tall and running bit either
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cmon you lot we are locked and loaded. they really believe this yr is an abberation and we are so much better than what we have shown.
they are dinkum when they say this and when they say we have no need for quality thru f/a.
there a lot more tough times coming people, thats what delusion brings.
a few other at other clubs.
gws -, jaksch, downie, o'rourke, tomlinson,buntine,plowman,lobb.
wce - sinclair,schofield,
meb - frawley
co - n brown, martin,
fre - smith, tabener
pa - young
that will do for now. all clubs have players not getting a go.
to finish i reckon we could cut 12 and not blink or lose a thing.
to me the 12 most in the gun are
batchelor del
a edwards ret/del
helbig del
king del
newman ret
griffiths/vickery trade for 2nd rnd nd pick. say pick 25.
petterd del
knights ret. on this bloke i think he will call it quits.
thats 8 promote miles and we have 7 places to fill on the list proper.
rookies cut the following and promote miles and we have 5 rookie spots to fill.
banfield del
darrou del
stephenson del
williams del
would rookie a junior ruckman, would like a mature kpd would give someone like matt sully a go. would try a junior quick classy sml/medfwd. still leaves two spots.
to finish, a question. if all of these players were gone ? what do we lose? imo very little.
these are just players who are out of contract with the exception of vickery. there are plenty more who have contracts some of em have had extensions in recent times.
what concerns me is the club is saying we dont need to cut too hard just 5 or 6 what a joke and what an overrating of a poor list.