Tigers eye midfielders, forward in draft (Age)

[Francois Jackson]

Angus the issue for me anyway is not what number draft pick  we get but rather how we develop those picks.....I hate to say it because its one hell of an overused word these days but its the culture of the place that breeds success.

I agree with you actually and would say it's more important than a draft pick

I just think winning meaningless games doesn't  improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are

How does beating GWS with say a Newman who walked straight back in ahead of Arnot, improve the culture of the place. It's  an indictment on the club we can't rarely find any player from pick 20 onwards.

Marty White yeah let's make him sub ahead of Newman and then get rid of him while handing others 3 yr deals

[Gigantor]

I agree Angus ..the processes the club has ,such as promoting newman are not right.
I know matty white had his critics but we should never had let him go.And what makes it worse we got nada for him,as we did for mcguane..doesn't that also say something about our club.

The one thing that sticks in my mind about matty white is when he got demoted to the ressies he would go back and work his backside off in the ressies,and virtually demand to be promoted.I think that type of character is what we want at the club

[Phil Mrakov]

Trade Vickery but keep Griffiths? Or the other way around?

[bojangles17]

if this is genuine from the club its the first sign of admitting to a rebuild

What a lot of rot, we have the foundation of a gilt edged midfield , add another star to cotch lids Martin Ellis conca vlas and like whoa , look out 

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Lmao

That's how STUPID they are.
Not going after frawley cos back line is fine but was a KF.

LOL. Frawley can play fwd and smash it.
What a pack of f ksticks.
NFI

It's you who has NFI... Frawley's no better than Astbury who we only need to pay half as much.

As opposed to you who, according to you, knows more than anyone. Haha

[WilliamPowell]

Angus the issue for me anyway is not what number draft pick  we get but rather how we develop those picks.....I hate to say it because its one hell of an overused word these days but its the culture of the place that breeds success.

I agree with you actually and would say it's more important than a draft pick

I just think winning meaningless games doesn't  improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are

How does beating GWS with say a Newman who walked straight back in ahead of Arnot, improve the culture of the place. It's  an indictment on the club we can't rarely find any player from pick 20 onwards.

Marty White yeah let's make him sub ahead of Newman and then get rid of him while handing others 3 yr deals

Excellent post Angus

You have highlighted the key for mine when you said especially the bit on bold, that's what's killed us this year, going into the season believing the list is better than what it is and recruiting thinking there's just a few gaps. We didn't have gaps we had gaping holes

"I just think winning meaningless games doesn't  improve our culture and hasn't done so for 30 yrs.
What it does is suck the RFC into believing they are better than what they are"

I agree Angus ..the processes the club has ,such as promoting newman are not right.
I know matty white had his critics but we should never had let him go.And what makes it worse we got nada for him,as we did for mcguane..doesn't that also say something about our club.

The one thing that sticks in my mind about matty white is when he got demoted to the ressies he would go back and work his backside off in the ressies,and virtually demand to be promoted.I think that type of character is what we want at the club

That's why I keep banging on about what messages are they sending the kids busting their guts in the VFL. They are working their collective backsides off and aren't getting opportunities. But others who constantly let us down remain at VFL level...

[Stripes]

My guess is that we will trade Griff or Vickery for another first round draft pick plus perhaps another player of worth to try and have a stab at securing Cameron and then use our remaining first pick on a quality midfielder. Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us and are both looking for a tall forward, looking for a forward in the draft, with our first pick at this stage, will be more difficult than giving up that same pick for a trade imo.

As I said just a guess at this stage though 

[WilliamPowell]

My guess is that we will trade Griff or Vickery for another first round draft pick plus perhaps another player of worth to try and have a stab at securing Cameron and then use our remaining first pick on a quality midfielder. Given that both Saints and Brisbane will probably finish below us and are both looking for a tall forward, looking for a forward in the draft, with our first pick at this stage, will be more difficult than giving up that same pick for a trade imo.

As I said just a guess at this stage though 

We are not going to get a first round draft pick for either Vickery or Griffiths even with a 2nd player included unless the 2nd player is a very good player. IMHO best you could expect for Vickery is a late 2nd rounder.

But it's a mute point they won't trade him, they've only re-signed in the last 6 months. Plus throw in his season has been poor doubt their be many suitors

[bojangles17]

There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players  to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go

[Stripes]

There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players  to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go

I agree. After missing out on Adams last year and not looking for a big name for many years, I think we will be going after Cameron this year. It may take our first round draft pick and if we can trade out a 'surplus' player such as Griff, to swap picks with GWS this would work for both teams. I would give up a 2nd tier player such as a Foley, Edwards, etc plus swapping first round draft picks and our second round draft pick to get Cameron.

[WilliamPowell]

There would be a lot of suitors for TV as everyone would be backing themselves to do what others have done in taking ex RFC players  to career best form ...I think we ll keep him, best offer would be mid 20s I'd think .....griff may attract 30ish draft pick. ...again clubs will see the upside in taking him up a notch. I'd let him go

I agree. After missing out on Adams last year and not looking for a big name for many years, I think we will be going after Cameron this year. It may take our first round draft pick and if we can trade out a 'surplus' player such as Griff, to swap picks with GWS this would work for both teams. I would give up a 2nd tier player such as a Foley, Edwards, etc plus swapping first round draft picks and our second round draft pick to get Cameron.

 Cannot see GWS trading Cameron, he's contracted they won't be letting him go in a hurry. They may have no choice at the end of 2015 but they have the choice in 2014 so IMO they won't trade him

[Gigantor]

Given Cameron is out of the picture who else might be available to plug the holes up forward and in the midfield...And I'm not talking about players on other clubs scrap heaps

[WilliamPowell]

Given Cameron is out of the picture who else might be available to plug the holes up forward and in the midfield...And I'm not talking about players on other clubs scrap heaps

Plenty of talent up at GWS. Boyd would be nice

[bojangles17]

Shaun mckernan, Leroy Jetta 

[Diocletian]

Shaun mckernan, Leroy Jetta 

That does sound more like the kind of crap we'd target - nice work Bo, one of your more believable posts.