One-Eyed Richmond Forum
Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: tony_montana on August 03, 2014, 10:41:22 PM
-
5 weeks ago we were 3-10 and the season was a disaster. We are now 8-10 and have been gifted a second chance to make something of this season(however remote, we now have something legit to play for).
For the past 5 weeks we've played dead rubbers against some pretty mediocre opposition. Now this week we front up in a game that is no longer a dead rubber - suddenly its a real game with real meaning.
Even if we don't end up making finals, if we win a couple of games like this one over the remaining 4 weeks, then I will believe for the first time in a long time that we as a club are building character. How often over the past 18 years have we gotten to a position like this to not only lose but see the game over by qtr time? We capitulate spectacularly every single time whenever the big 'moment' arrives. As a club that's failed miserably in recent and medium history, we need to stand up and win this week, I won't accept anything less and neither should the club.
-
i admire your positivity TM but i disagree. These are the games we do win mate. Its not a big game IMO if the season is over and we arent playing finals.
Do i want us to beat the bombers. Yep :yep :yep :yep
Nothing would give me more pleasure than watching them miss out of finals. Does it really mean anything. No!
-
i will reiterate one more time. its not these games or these moments that determine where a club is at.
the only thing that counts is the state of the list and win lose or draw our list is no where near good enough.
win a game like this and what will happen is the cracks get papered over.
ffs the season has been shot, not for weeks but months and we should have been list building instead we paper over the cracks. nothing we do this yr will have an effect on next yr with the list we have.
its the same old same old mistakes over and over, or put it another weay same dog different leg action. we just arent prepared to do the hard slog for long enough and we end up doing things in halves.
i admire your positivity TM but i disagree. These are the games we do win mate. Its not a big game IMO if the season is over and we arent playing finals.
Do i want us to beat the bombers. Yep :yep :yep :yep
Nothing would give me more pleasure than watching them miss out of finals. Does it really mean anything. No!
this well said.
-
i admire your positivity TM but i disagree. These are the games we do win mate. Its not a big game IMO if the season is over and we arent playing finals.
Do i want us to beat the bombers. Yep :yep :yep :yep
Nothing would give me more pleasure than watching them miss out of finals. Does it really mean anything. No!
I agree that 95% likely we wont make finals, but we will be 1 game out of finals if we win this week. The club will know this hence why I think this is a big game. First game that means something since about rnd 5 or 6. Lets see how they respond
-
i will reiterate one more time. its not these games or these moments that determine where a club is at.
the only thing that counts is the state of the list and win lose or draw our list is no where near good enough.
win a game like this and what will happen is the cracks get papered over.
ffs the season has been shot, not for weeks but months and we should have been list building instead we paper over the cracks. nothing we do this yr will have an effect on next yr with the list we have.
its the same old same old mistakes over and over, or put it another weay same dog different leg action. we just arent prepared to do the hard slog for long enough and we end up doing things in halves.
i admire your positivity TM but i disagree. These are the games we do win mate. Its not a big game IMO if the season is over and we arent playing finals.
Do i want us to beat the bombers. Yep :yep :yep :yep
Nothing would give me more pleasure than watching them miss out of finals. Does it really mean anything. No!
this well said.
All you say is fair - but you also need to understand that character and belief play a MASSIVE role at a footy club. You can have the talent but if you don't have that deep seated belief that comes with character building wins in big moment games you will never be a successful club. We have never taken charge, never been able to build on a defining moment over the past 18 years. In this day and age where the talent between most club lists is negligible, character and belief become huge factors.
-
Hate to say it but I reckon we're about to get fisted up the ass again by the drug cheats.
Still, I'll be at the game...
...hopefully somebody knocks out Heppell/Winderlich/Carlisle and keep a different sort of 'streak' running if you know what I mean...
-
5 weeks ago we were 3-10 and the season was a disaster. We are now 8-10 and have been gifted a second chance to make something of this season(however remote, we now have something legit to play for).
For the past 5 weeks we've played dead rubbers against some pretty mediocre opposition. Now this week we front up in a game that is no longer a dead rubber - suddenly its a real game with real meaning.
Even if we don't end up making finals, if we win a couple of games like this one over the remaining 4 weeks, then I will believe for the first time in a long time that we as a club are building character. How often over the past 18 years have we gotten to a position like this to not only lose but see the game over by qtr time? We capitulate spectacularly every single time whenever the big 'moment' arrives. As a club that's failed miserably in recent and medium history, we need to stand up and win this week, I won't accept anything less and neither should the club.
I think the saying "Spring hopes eternal" was invented by a Richmond supporter ;D
Hope you're right, disagree with other posters - the game means a lot to the Bombres and it does mean something to us.
A win would be a great outcome mentally for the club - broken list or not.
Lamentably, we won't win.
-
Most important game in our recent history was last year, a Sunday in September and it didn't quite go to plan
With our reliance on other teams results being so important we are unlikely to make finals this year.
So this Friday night is a game that we need to be competitive in on the big Friday night stage, result will be what it will be depending on which Richmond turns up
-
Quirky stat, we are the first team in VFL/AFL history to go from 3-10 to 8-10.
-
Quirky stat, we are the first team in VFL/AFL history to go from 3-10 to 8-10.
This is an important game on many levels. A win here keeps the pressure and excitement up for supporters and players alike. Playing under these conditions is the true value of this situation. We haven't had a good run when it comes to playing in 'Big Games' so when we can turn the corner and win these types of games it will set us up for the future.
I don't think it is impossible to make the finals from here but it is improbable. We play some teams around us on the ladder now so if we can win these games we will at the very least ensure we continue to learn to fight out games and take that mindset into next year.
Finding leadership in these situations would be my priority regardless of reality of finals.
-
Quirky stat, we are the first team in VFL/AFL history to go from 3-10 to 8-10.
This is an important game on many levels. A win here keeps the pressure and excitement up for supporters and players alike. Playing under these conditions is the true value of this situation. We haven't had a good run when it comes to playing in 'Big Games' so when we can turn the corner and win these types of games it will set us up for the future.
I don't think it is impossible to make the finals from here but it is improbable. We play some teams around us on the ladder now so if we can win these games we will at the very least ensure we continue to learn to fight out games and take that mindset into next year.
Finding leadership in these situations would be my priority regardless of reality of finals.
A win is important to me because the performance the Tigers dished up in the Dreamtime game was nothing short of shocking. Generally the second match against the bombers is nowhere nearly as important/spectacular because the top 8 is more or less set in stone.
This time around the a win against the Bombers will keep the remote chance of a finals hope alive. Also it's a chance for the club to redeem themselves for the crap first half of the season. It's a chance for the club to make a statement through action not words that they got it wrong at the start of the year but this is what we can do and this is how we can beat a top 8 side.
Even though finals is not likely I want the tigers to win and win good to show the supporters that RFC is a club worth following and that RFC is good for Australian Rules football as a whole
-
5 weeks ago we were 3-10 and the season was a disaster. We are now 8-10 and have been gifted a second chance to make something of this season(however remote, we now have something legit to play for).
For the past 5 weeks we've played dead rubbers against some pretty mediocre opposition. Now this week we front up in a game that is no longer a dead rubber - suddenly its a real game with real meaning.
Even if we don't end up making finals, if we win a couple of games like this one over the remaining 4 weeks, then I will believe for the first time in a long time that we as a club are building character. How often over the past 18 years have we gotten to a position like this to not only lose but see the game over by qtr time? We capitulate spectacularly every single time whenever the big 'moment' arrives. As a club that's failed miserably in recent and medium history, we need to stand up and win this week, I won't accept anything less and neither should the club.
I think the saying "Spring hopes eternal" was invented by a Richmond supporter ;D
Hope you're right, disagree with other posters - the game means a lot to the Bombres and it does mean something to us.
A win would be a great outcome mentally for the club - broken list or not.
Lamentably, we won't win.
heheh no doubt... In all seriousness though, believe it or not, for me its not so much about making finals but moreso how we handle the big game pressure this week and next week. If we were to win this week and again next week against Adelaide, I'd take it as a massive positive even if we went on to lose to sydney and ultimately miss the finals. But if we were to lose this week and then go on and beat adelaide and Sydney in dead rubbers, I'd count those wins as virtually meaningless bc there's no pressure involved in those games if we lose this week.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
-
Most important game in our recent history was last year, a Sunday in September and it didn't quite go to plan
With our reliance on other teams results being so important we are unlikely to make finals this year.
So this Friday night is a game that we need to be competitive in on the big Friday night stage, result will be what it will be depending on which Richmond turns up
Disagree with the first point WP. To you, me and the average Joe it was a massive day, but I dont believe it was the biggest game psychologically bc to be frank, we were just happy being there. Given our recent history of failure, atm just making finals is the goal, winning them would be great, but I think the clubs aim is to just get there with some sort of regularity first.
I agree we are unlikely to make it, this isnt a thread just hoping we make finals if things fall into place - that's not the main point Im trying to convey - what Im trying to emphasise is that we've been given another shot to play some meanignful games at the business end of the season, how the team responds should give us a pretty honest view of whther they have progressed at all from a psychological perspective.
If they fail miserably this week then its same ol same ol, if we win and then back up against the crows I will see it as a clear sign the group/club is maturing mentally.
-
It's important we deliver our best 9th ever, so we can declare ourselves lock and loaded, make minimum changes to the list, get O'Keefe after Bo & the ferals march on Punt Road demanding it, have Carlton derail our season before half-time in round one as O'Keefe does a hammy and see Hardwick resign before the end of June.
-
It's important we deliver our best 9th ever, so we can declare ourselves lock and loaded, make minimum changes to the list, get O'Keefe after Bo & the ferals march on Punt Road demanding it, have Carlton derail our season before half-time in round one as O'Keefe does a hammy and see Hardwick resign before the end of June.
Sounds like a plan
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
x 2 :thumbsup
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Nah you're not, bc essentially Im saying the same thing :thumbsup - weve won 5 meaningless games in a row that mean diddly squat, but now the stakes have increased, we win this week and we're a game outside finals - club is aware of this and hence the pressure of a big game is on. How they respond is essentially what this thread is about.
-
If we lose, Sack Hardwick!
-
If we win you'll still want him sacked
-
Important game. For respect if nothing else.
I stuffing hate the bombers I stuffing hate losing to them.
-
By gee if we win on Friday night
Carlton beat Gold Coast
West Coast beat the Pies
Watch this space
-
If we lose, Sack Hardwick!
Won, lose or draw he isn't going to be sacked torch
So perhaps it's time to move on or at least park this obsession until we lose a game in 2015 ;D
By gee if we win on Friday night
Carlton beat Gold Coast
West Coast beat the Pies
Watch this space
Gee, such reliance on other teams winning for it all to matter
And if we lose? Do I need to watch this space or another space :-\
;D
-
You blokes just don't get it..
-
If we lose, Sack Hardwick!
Won, lose or draw he isn't going to be sacked torch
So perhaps it's time to move on or at least park this obsession until we lose a game in 2015 ;D
By gee if we win on Friday night
Carlton beat Gold Coast
West Coast beat the Pies
Watch this space
Gee, such reliance on other teams winning for it all to matter
And if we lose? Do I need to watch this space or another space :-\
;D
I don't care about relying on other teams losing or winning. After all those same teams relied on us losing earlier in the year to be where they are. All I care about is winning our games. If the other results fall our way then that's great. If they don't, then we learn a harsh lesson (which we already should have learn't). If we win all of our four games we can legitimately say we deserve to at least challenge for the eight. However, I don't think we are good enough to do that.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
I'm excited that we have begun to regain our form again. I am frustrated that it has taken to a stage of the season where it is unlikely to matter but there is still some hope. I choose to embrace that hope because the alternative is to just to be angry and depressed about something I can't change. If we know why we failed early and have made changes so it doesn't happen again, then the season hasn't been a complete loss. If we just fall short of the finals then we have shown we are still capable of making it next year.
What frustrates me is the people who blame Hardwick for everything. I just think that allows far too many other people around the club to accept no responsibility. Blaming the head coach at times like this P#%^$# me off because it is just such a counter productive step back to the '80s & 90's. Supporters need to start looking deeper and target the players, leaders, assistant & development coaches, administration and medical staff as much as they do the head coach. Sacking the coach will not change a thing so target your frustration and anger at the things that will make a change. Reactive sackings wont achieve a thing!
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Concur, where were we when it counted? This is just another season, probably finish 9th or so and even if 8th in reality it is a disaster compared to last season, we have gone backwards not forwards, Our goal is to win a flag OR improve.
Season score out of 10? 2
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Concur, where were we when it counted? This is just another season, probably finish 9th or so and even if 8th in reality it is a disaster compared to last season, we have gone backwards not forwards, Our goal is to win a flag OR improve.
Season score out of 10? 2
Time for you to stop watching the Tigers this year then I guess. Best to give up and take no joy in any further success we may have. In fact probably best to return only when we finally win a flag. People who are silly enough to follow the Tigers after 1980 are just setting themselves up for disappointment because we've only every gone backwards since then.
If you are constantly looking back you might as well forget going forwards all together.
-
i admire your positivity TM but i disagree. These are the games we do win mate. Its not a big game IMO if the season is over and we arent playing finals.
Do i want us to beat the bombers. Yep :yep :yep :yep
Nothing would give me more pleasure than watching them miss out of finals. Does it really mean anything. No!
The media has caught onto our chances. It has now become the exact type of game we choke away.
-
You blokes just don't get it..
It's alright. I got it. :clapping
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Concur, where were we when it counted? This is just another season, probably finish 9th or so and even if 8th in reality it is a disaster compared to last season, we have gone backwards not forwards, Our goal is to win a flag OR improve.
Season score out of 10? 2
Time for you to stop watching the Tigers this year then I guess. Best to give up and take no joy in any further success we may have. In fact probably best to return only when we finally win a flag. People who are silly enough to follow the Tigers after 1980 are just setting themselves up for disappointment because we've only every gone backwards since then.
If you are constantly looking back you might as well forget going forwards all together.
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.
-
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.
The first game I can remember was our '82 GF loss so I'm like you - spent all of my living memory watching the club fail. I disagree that there has been something critically wrong with the club. There has actually been many things wrong including failure to change with the times and respect the draft. Lack of funds to invest in players, recruitment and coaching. Making the head coach the scape goat for everything wrong with the club and then wondering why the same problems resurface again with the next coach.
To be successful you need to do the hard yards and hold the course. You need a quality team of coaches and support staff to educate and drive the players. You need great facilities and you need a plan that you don't waver from.
We have had a step back this year. I think it shows that we have the quality on the list, when they are all healthy, but we fall away far too quickly. Our depth is terrible and our player leadership very suspect. When a few injuries occur to key players we can not win. This is my biggest concern not Hardwicks coaching.
We need to recruit from the draft first then look at free agency second. More money needs to be pumped into development and Dimma needs more help in the box on game day. Some of our assistant coaches are ordinary and need to be either moved on or assisted themselves.
This year has been disappointing for me too but I think we are finally back on the right track with the right players. We now need to keep winning to change our mindset and confidence level across the club. Until we can play in the big games and remain composed when challenged on field, we will go nowhere regardless of the talent we have playing.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Sums up my feelings exactly.
Three of those wins were against bottom 4 teams and we struggled over the line against all of them.
We beat WCE after we king hit their ruckman and they are 11th and been prone to terribleness all year long.
We beat Port who are playing like a bottom 6 team at the moment, barely beating Melbourne by 3 points.
The 5 wins have been no great achievement. Certainly don't make up for the 10 losses earlier in the season when it mattered.
The bombers are battling with drugs and injuries. They depend heavily on Carlisle and you would expect Rance to take him to the cleaners. The expectation should be that we will win this game comfortably. If the tiger players have any inkling of belief that we will make the finals, expect a big loss.
What the RFC_Official has pointed out is that never has a club had such an easy draw and delivered so little as the tigers have this year.
-
We beat WCE after we king hit their ruckman and they are 11th and been prone to terribleness all year long.
LMAO Cox going off probably did them a favour
-
I stuffing hate the Bombres.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Sums up my feelings exactly.
Three of those wins were against bottom 4 teams and we struggled over the line against all of them.
We beat WCE after we king hit their ruckman and they are 11th and been prone to terribleness all year long.
We beat Port who are playing like a bottom 6 team at the moment, barely beating Melbourne by 3 points.
The 5 wins have been no great achievement. Certainly don't make up for the 10 losses earlier in the season when it mattered.
The bombers are battling with drugs and injuries. They depend heavily on Carlisle and you would expect Rance to take him to the cleaners. The expectation should be that we will win this game comfortably. If the tiger players have any inkling of belief that we will make the finals, expect a big loss.
What the RFC_Official has pointed out is that never has a club had such an easy draw and delivered so little as the tigers have this year.
I have this terrible feeling we are going to lose this week. This is the sort of game that exposes the faults in our list. I hope I am badly wrong. To win would be good for the club but I like others question the attitude of the players at the start of the year. Our run of wins has not been particularly impressive. If we beat the bombers maybe that will bring some credit to this team.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
I'm 100% with you on this , although I'm not convinced we're playing decent footy.
As for the topic , we built the Port game up as a Grand Final apparently.God knows why ? Maybe Hardwick can build this one up as a Prelim or something ?
-
You blokes just don't get it..
It's alright. I got it. :clapping
:clapping :thumbsup
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
I'm 100% with you on this , although I'm not convinced we're playing decent footy.
As for the topic , we built the Port game up as a Grand Final apparently.God knows why ? Maybe Hardwick can build this one up as a Prelim or something ?
stuff knows why we did - That's why I have created this thread - lets see how this football club handles the heat of a big game that actually means something after winning 5 dead rubbers. If we lose then NOTHING has changed, character hasn't grown, nada, zilch... however if we win and do the same the following week I will start to believe that internally we are growing/maturing.
It's on them fairly and squarely - lets see how they handle it
-
Maybe it's time to bring out the Crunch ball?
;D
-
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.
OER to go into meltdown all weekend.
-
Are the 'bombres' the mexican joint the bombers got their drugs from?
-
stuff knows why we did - That's why I have created this thread - lets see how this football club handles the heat of a big game that actually means something after winning 5 dead rubbers. If we lose then NOTHING has changed, character hasn't grown, nada, zilch... however if we win and do the same the following week I will start to believe that internally we are growing/maturing.
It's on them fairly and squarely - lets see how they handle it
Yep
-
Are the 'bombres' the mexican joint the bombers got their drugs from?
si
-
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.
OER to go into meltdown all weekend.
Cause when we lose is when all the posters come out of hiding, they love it.
-
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.
OER to go into meltdown all weekend.
Cause when we lose is when all the posters come out of hiding, they love it.
i think most of us are here rain, hail or shine. Work committmnets often stifle my ability to post. The handy smartphone keeps me not too far away though. ;D
-
Uh oh ! we're wearing a special commemorative jumper this week. Must be a big game ? Put your house on Essendon folks.
Why don't Sydney or Geelong or Hawthorn ever wear ' special ' jumpers ?
-
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.
The first game I can remember was our '82 GF loss so I'm like you - spent all of my living memory watching the club fail. I disagree that there has been something critically wrong with the club. There has actually been many things wrong including failure to change with the times and respect the draft. Lack of funds to invest in players, recruitment and coaching. Making the head coach the scape goat for everything wrong with the club and then wondering why the same problems resurface again with the next coach.
To be successful you need to do the hard yards and hold the course. You need a quality team of coaches and support staff to educate and drive the players. You need great facilities and you need a plan that you don't waver from.
We have had a step back this year. I think it shows that we have the quality on the list, when they are all healthy, but we fall away far too quickly. Our depth is terrible and our player leadership very suspect. When a few injuries occur to key players we can not win. This is my biggest concern not Hardwicks coaching.
We need to recruit from the draft first then look at free agency second. More money needs to be pumped into development and Dimma needs more help in the box on game day. Some of our assistant coaches are ordinary and need to be either moved on or assisted themselves.
This year has been disappointing for me too but I think we are finally back on the right track with the right players. We now need to keep winning to change our mindset and confidence level across the club. Until we can play in the big games and remain composed when challenged on field, we will go nowhere regardless of the talent we have playing.
I agree with most things you post Stripes but wanted call out 2 aspects to your post :-
The bolded highlights a fundamental error at Richmond. The head coach is in charge of the wins/losses. Simple. Throat to choke, been going on for 130 years and will continue.
Doesn't mean we should sack him after one poor year but HE IS THE MAN!
We pay him the big bucks, he needs to man up and club should go hard on his performance.
They -the club- and he-Hardwick- completely stuffed up the off season.
All aspects - recruiting philosophy, training, the limp wrested leadership crap in rio, promising big things like "fast starts", appearing to change aspects of the game plan, letting training standards drop?, not getting leading teams in earlier? Some home truths may have worked better in the 2nd week of September instead of the 2nd week of May?
In other words - being front footed in issues not back footed.
On field - Damien Hardwick
Off field - Dan Richardson and Benny
On the underlined bit, Dimma needs to take responsibility for his assistant coaches - it's his hiring, his team, his responsibility.
I'd love to make excuses for the coach but it's hard to do that when he's presided over a number of gigantic cock ups.
Let's hope he's learnt his lesson.
-
The most important game in recent memory was the bloody game where Melbourne pantsed us. It was so important to honor the memory of Tommy.......we stuffed it and that was the end of the season
:banghead
-
The loss to Melbourne was absolutely disgraceful.
-
The most important game in recent memory was the bloody game where Melbourne pantsed us. It was so important to honor the memory of Tommy.......we stuffed it and that was the end of the season
:banghead
was up there with the geelong loss and GC loss in cairns from years gone by. In fact i would say its probably worse given what was at stake
-
I agree with most things you post Stripes but wanted call out 2 aspects to your post :-
The bolded highlights a fundamental error at Richmond. The head coach is in charge of the wins/losses. Simple. Throat to choke, been going on for 130 years and will continue.
Doesn't mean we should sack him after one poor year but HE IS THE MAN!
We pay him the big bucks, he needs to man up and club should go hard on his performance.
They -the club- and he-Hardwick- completely stuffed up the off season.
All aspects - recruiting philosophy, training, the limp wrested leadership crap in rio, promising big things like "fast starts", appearing to change aspects of the game plan, letting training standards drop?, not getting leading teams in earlier? Some home truths may have worked better in the 2nd week of September instead of the 2nd week of May?
In other words - being front footed in issues not back footed.
On field - Damien Hardwick
Off field - Dan Richardson and Benny
On the underlined bit, Dimma needs to take responsibility for his assistant coaches - it's his hiring, his team, his responsibility.
I'd love to make excuses for the coach but it's hard to do that when he's presided over a number of gigantic cock ups.
Let's hope he's learnt his lesson.
All good points y&b :thumbsup
I agree that Dimma stuffed up by attempting to tweak the game plan to control the ball more and become more Hawthorn-like. This was so we can stop teams running over us in crucial matches like Carlton did in the Elim final. It was a mistake but I can see why he tried to do it all the same. As you say though, he was trying to be on front foot ;)
I don't think you can blame Hardwick completely for our recruitment over the off season either. Head Coaches do not make these decisions in isolation. They do collaboratively and with a great deal of advice. Dimma was told that the draft was weak beyond the first round. Our recruitment team and Dimma decided to use our later draft picks on more mature players and trade in Hampson - as we all agree now that was a bad mistake but again Dimma this was less of Dimmas decision as the recruitment teams. Again though, I can understand why they went that way - to try and add greater ready made depth to the squad and with Hampson the ability to compete with the taller, leaping rucks which Maric struggled against.
The drop in training standards and onfield leadership can be explained, to a degree at least, by the amount of leaders we had injured at the start of the year. I say it explains in to a degree because I like you feel the coaches should have recognised this problem early and sort to address this crucial area early. This was the coaches collective issue and a problem with injures too but yes Dimma dropped the ball here imo.
So while you can see I do agree with much of what you say it far too simple to categorize our issues into On-field v Off-field because a head coach does not even coach on the game day in isolation any more or train their team on their own any more. How many times do you see an assistant coach calling the shots from the box with the head coach down on the bench for periods now days?
In the end the buck does stop with Dimma but I find it ridiculous and counterproductive to lay the blame all of our woes on him alone. Blame the decision to tweak our game plan preseason - yes, our recruitment - partially, our in game leadership - no, our training standards - partially and our player development - no.
All in all much of our problems have been circumstantial this year which retrospectively we have failed to react to quickly enough to. If we had not had so many of our leaders/key players injured early I think this year would have shaped up very differently. As long as Dimma and the club has learnt from the mistakes and have now steps to avoid this situation occurring again then I can live with it but if we have another wasted year in 2015 with the same drop in standards and performance then I'll join the rest of you calling for Dimma's head :shh
-
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.
hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)
-
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.
OER to go into meltdown all weekend.
Cause when we lose is when all the posters come out of hiding, they love it.
yeah the posters love losing ::)
-
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.
hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)
Dammn you got sad Dooks. Lighten up bruh. If we somehow snuck into finals it would be stuffing awesome.
-
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.
hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)
Dammn you got sad Dooks. Lighten up bruh. If we somehow snuck into finals it would be stuffing awesome.
until we inevitably plunge to the depths of absolute stuffing horseschit performances again. cue the second half of last years finals or our game vs Melb this year.
-
I must be the odd one out
I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins
I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this :banghead
Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?
Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.
Ditto. A win just leaves me perplexed and angry based on the sole reason on where was this form on contested ball and more direct use of the footy in the first half of the season.
Sure I want to win tomorrow but the you have nothing to lose philosophy seems to be more the norm with us rather than having you everything to lose philosophy which should be our mantra all year round.
-
It's important we deliver our best 9th ever, so we can declare ourselves lock and loaded, make minimum changes to the list, get O'Keefe after Bo & the ferals march on Punt Road demanding it, have Carlton derail our season before half-time in round one as O'Keefe does a hammy and see Hardwick resign before the end of June.
:lol :lol
:thatsgold
-
When u say recent history, you mean the last 5 weeks, right?
-
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.
Tigeritis™®©
-
When u say recent history, you mean the last 5 weeks, right?
heheh nah Im serious. There have been plenty of bigger games in recent times, but in terms of defining games for the club, this is one (so is next week if we win tonight) simply bc historically we always fold in big crunch games. All those final season games we needed to win to make the 8, instead folding to finish 9th, all those commemorative games including Hafey and Dyer, the 100 year game against carlton where we got done by 15 goals. Putrid culture of peeweak responses.
We've cruised through the past 5 weeks playing junktime games, now we've been thrown a second chance, win this and we're a game outside the 8 - lets see if they've changed/grown like they've been spruiking all week.
If they don't win...
-
That's what Im talking about! that's what I wanted to see.
It is my assertion that we needed that win to grow as a club internally/emotionally and character wise. Its not about making finals, its about seizing the moment and winning the big games, win next week against the crows and build on it some more. Great fighting win
-
New thread same title for next week now
-
That's what Im talking about! that's what I wanted to see.
It is my assertion that we needed that win to grow as a club internally/emotionally and character wise. Its not about making finals, its about seizing the moment and winning the big games, win next week against the crows and build on it some more. Great fighting win
Winning isn't a switch. Can't just tank and hope for the best next year. Sure these are late wins and we're going to get some poop draft picks, but it's games like these that you learn to stand up. Hopefully it was a lightbulb moment from the coach down to the players.
-
time to bump this methinks.
Win this and we have grown massively as a team in a character sense. Could be the impetus required to go from also ran to genuine consistent finals side moving forward
or
we can get trounced without giving a yelp and thus the dance continues...
-
Looking forward to the twos being ten goals up
And losing by a kick after the buzzer
-
time to bump this methinks.
Win this and we have grown massively as a team in a character sense. Could be the impetus required to go from also ran to genuine consistent finals side moving forward
or
we can get trounced without giving a yelp and thus the dance continues...
So true.
If we make it I think we will be deadly in September. Not necessarily GF sort of deadly but we have been playing a final for the last 8 weeks and the essendon and crows games were especially hot. This week goes up another notch again. We'll be hardened and will be our advantage over sides like north and port who have just been going through the motions and hoping to flick the 'finals switch' come next week.
-
A "proper" test given the stakes and our history in final rounds when playing for a spot in the 8.
Nice bump TM, hope it works out for us :thumbsup