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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2014, 08:13:29 PM »
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.

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Cause when we lose is when all the posters come out of hiding, they love it.
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2014, 08:19:10 PM »
Uh oh ! we're wearing a special commemorative jumper this week. Must be a big game ? Put your house on Essendon folks.
Why don't Sydney or Geelong or Hawthorn ever wear ' special ' jumpers ?
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #47 on: August 05, 2014, 08:47:00 PM »
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.

The first game I can remember was our '82 GF loss so I'm like you - spent all of my living memory watching the club fail. I disagree that there has been something critically wrong with the club. There has actually been many things wrong including failure to change with the times and respect the draft. Lack of funds to invest in players, recruitment and coaching. Making the head coach the scape goat for everything wrong with the club and then wondering why the same problems resurface again with the next coach.

To be successful you need to do the hard yards and hold the course. You need a quality team of coaches and support staff to educate and drive the players. You need great facilities and you need a plan that you don't waver from.

We have had a step back this year. I think it shows that we have the quality on the list, when they are all healthy, but we fall away far too quickly. Our depth is terrible and our player leadership very suspect. When a few injuries occur to key players we can not win. This is my biggest concern not Hardwicks coaching.

We need to recruit from the draft first then look at free agency second. More money needs to be pumped into development and Dimma needs more help in the box on game day. Some of our assistant coaches are ordinary and need to be either moved on or assisted themselves.

This year has been disappointing for me too but I think we are finally back on the right track with the right players. We now need to keep winning to change our mindset and confidence level across the club. Until we can play in the big games and remain composed when challenged on field, we will go nowhere regardless of the talent we have playing.

I agree with most things you post Stripes but wanted call out 2 aspects to your post :-
The bolded highlights a fundamental error at Richmond. The head coach is in charge of the wins/losses. Simple. Throat to choke, been going on for 130 years and will continue.
Doesn't mean we should sack him after one poor year but HE IS THE MAN!
We pay him the big bucks, he needs to man up and club should go hard on his performance.
They -the club- and he-Hardwick- completely stuffed up the off season.
All aspects - recruiting philosophy, training, the limp wrested leadership crap in rio, promising big things like "fast starts", appearing to change aspects of the game plan, letting training standards drop?, not getting leading teams in earlier? Some home truths may have worked better in the 2nd week of September instead of the 2nd week of May?

In other words - being front footed in issues not back footed.
On field - Damien Hardwick
Off field - Dan Richardson and Benny

On the underlined bit, Dimma needs to take responsibility for his assistant coaches - it's his hiring, his team, his responsibility.
I'd love to make excuses for the coach but it's hard to do that when he's presided over a number of gigantic cock ups.
Let's hope he's learnt his lesson.
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #48 on: August 05, 2014, 09:12:06 PM »
The most important game in recent memory was the bloody game where Melbourne pantsed us.  It was so important to honor the memory of Tommy.......we stuffed it and that was the end of the season
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #49 on: August 06, 2014, 06:43:37 AM »
The loss to Melbourne was absolutely disgraceful.

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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #50 on: August 06, 2014, 09:05:56 AM »
The most important game in recent memory was the bloody game where Melbourne pantsed us.  It was so important to honor the memory of Tommy.......we stuffed it and that was the end of the season
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was up there with the geelong loss and GC loss in cairns from years gone by. In fact i would say its probably worse given what was at stake
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #51 on: August 06, 2014, 09:53:43 AM »
I agree with most things you post Stripes but wanted call out 2 aspects to your post :-
The bolded highlights a fundamental error at Richmond. The head coach is in charge of the wins/losses. Simple. Throat to choke, been going on for 130 years and will continue.
Doesn't mean we should sack him after one poor year but HE IS THE MAN!
We pay him the big bucks, he needs to man up and club should go hard on his performance.
They -the club- and he-Hardwick- completely stuffed up the off season.
All aspects - recruiting philosophy, training, the limp wrested leadership crap in rio, promising big things like "fast starts", appearing to change aspects of the game plan, letting training standards drop?, not getting leading teams in earlier? Some home truths may have worked better in the 2nd week of September instead of the 2nd week of May?

In other words - being front footed in issues not back footed.
On field - Damien Hardwick
Off field - Dan Richardson and Benny

On the underlined bit, Dimma needs to take responsibility for his assistant coaches - it's his hiring, his team, his responsibility.
I'd love to make excuses for the coach but it's hard to do that when he's presided over a number of gigantic cock ups.
Let's hope he's learnt his lesson.

All good points y&b  :thumbsup

I agree that Dimma stuffed up by attempting to tweak the game plan to control the ball more and become more Hawthorn-like. This was so we can stop teams running over us in crucial matches like Carlton did in the Elim final. It was a mistake but I can see why he tried to do it all the same. As you say though, he was trying to be on front foot  ;)

I don't think you can blame Hardwick completely for our recruitment over the off season either. Head Coaches do not make these decisions in isolation. They do collaboratively and with a great deal of advice. Dimma was told that the draft was weak beyond the first round. Our recruitment team and Dimma decided to use our later draft picks on more mature players and trade in Hampson - as we all agree now that was a bad mistake but again Dimma this was less of Dimmas decision as the recruitment teams. Again though, I can understand why they went that way - to try and add greater ready made depth to the squad and with Hampson the ability to compete with the taller, leaping rucks which Maric struggled against.

The drop in training standards and onfield leadership can be explained, to a degree at least, by the amount of leaders we had injured at the start of the year. I say it explains in to a degree because I like you feel the coaches should have recognised this problem early and sort to address this crucial area early. This was the coaches collective issue and a problem with injures too but yes Dimma dropped the ball here imo.

So while you can see I do agree with much of what you say it far too simple to categorize our issues into On-field v Off-field because a head coach does not even coach on the game day in isolation any more or train their team on their own any more. How many times do you see an assistant coach calling the shots from the box with the head coach down on the bench for periods now days?

In the end the buck does stop with Dimma but I find it ridiculous and counterproductive to lay the blame all of our woes on him alone. Blame the decision to tweak our game plan preseason - yes, our recruitment - partially, our in game leadership - no, our training standards - partially and our player development - no.

All in all much of our problems have been circumstantial this year which retrospectively we have failed to react to quickly enough to. If we had not had so many of our leaders/key players injured early I think this year would have shaped up very differently. As long as Dimma and the club has learnt from the mistakes and have now steps to avoid this situation occurring again then I can live with it but if we have another wasted year in 2015 with the same drop in standards and performance then I'll join the rest of you calling for Dimma's head  :shh

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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #52 on: August 06, 2014, 10:03:52 AM »
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental  ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.

hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #53 on: August 06, 2014, 10:05:49 AM »
The real Richmond is going to be on display this Friday and it's not going to be pretty.

OER to go into meltdown all weekend.

Cause when we lose is when all the posters come out of hiding, they love it.

yeah the posters love losing  ::)

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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #54 on: August 06, 2014, 11:06:52 AM »
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental  ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.

hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)

Dammn you got sad Dooks. Lighten up bruh. If we somehow snuck into finals it would be stuffing awesome.

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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #55 on: August 06, 2014, 01:48:50 PM »
this game means very little. even if we win, beat a few more easy beats and somehow jag a win against sydney to make finals, it wouldnt hide the fact that we have fundamental  ongoing list issues, culture issues and fotball dept issues.

hooray for 8th or below. pleez..... ::)

Dammn you got sad Dooks. Lighten up bruh. If we somehow snuck into finals it would be stuffing awesome.

until we inevitably plunge to the depths of absolute stuffing horseschit performances again. cue the second half of last years finals or our game vs Melb this year.
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #56 on: August 07, 2014, 08:57:32 PM »
I must be the odd one out

I don't find myself excited about recent run of wins

I just find myself with a massive headache from doing this  :banghead

Because where was this focus and intensity 10 weeks ago when we needed it? Once the pressure was off, we start playing decent footy? Why the wait?

Folks can whack me all they want but this season has left me ..... cold, frustrated and so bloody angry. 5 wins hasn't change it for me sadly.

Ditto. A win just leaves me perplexed and angry based on the sole reason on where was this form on contested ball and more direct use of the footy in the first half of the season.

Sure I want to win tomorrow but the you have nothing to lose philosophy seems to be more the norm with us rather than having you everything to lose philosophy which should be our mantra all year round.

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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2014, 01:16:23 AM »
It's important we deliver our best 9th ever, so we can declare ourselves lock and loaded, make minimum changes to the list, get O'Keefe after Bo & the ferals march on Punt Road demanding it, have Carlton derail our season before half-time in round one as O'Keefe does a hammy and see Hardwick resign before the end of June.
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2014, 01:20:18 AM »
When u say recent history, you mean the last 5 weeks, right?
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Re: Most important game in this clubs recent history coming up v bombres
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2014, 01:21:32 AM »
At least you have seen a flag. I came here in '85 and chose to barrack for RFC. Yes I do get joy out of watching a win, albeit as badly as we played on saturday, but at the end of the day this is a business, teams will disappear and it is a matter of survival not a week to week enjoyment fest. There is something critically wrong at RFC. I don't know what it is but it is not a good thing and it is holding RFC back until it is addressed.
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