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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Phil Mrakov on October 15, 2014, 01:03:04 PM
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
Well at the moment weve got eff all.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
Well at the moment weve got eff all.
and won't be getting anytning
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Relax - now that we've decided take pre-season seriously, natural improvement will lead us to premiership glory.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
You need to add;
Lions
GWS
St Kilda
Cats
North
Actually, just add the rest of the comp.
We will be overtaken yet again!!!!!
This was my problem with the RFC, we are not aggressive enough during this period and we rest on our morals..
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Under no illusions :lol
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
You need to add;
Lions
GWS
St Kilda
Cats
North
Actually, just add the rest of the comp.
We will be overtaken yet again!!!!!
This ws my problem with te RFC, we are not aggressibve enough during this period and we rest on our morals..
do you mean laurels !!!
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Blues made out like bandits
The whole industry are a bunch of clowns
In essence pick 7 from carlton is worth more than dayne beams. Very silly.
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Hawks get an AA backman (from a few years back) who could potentially be very good.
Collingwood lose an A grade midfielder and get a guy who has had one good year in 7-8 seasons.
Varcoe is a spud.
The rest of the guys haven't proved a thing yet.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
You need to add;
Lions
GWS
St Kilda
Cats
North
Actually, just add the rest of the comp.
We will be overtaken yet again!!!!!
This ws my problem with te RFC, we are not aggressibve enough during this period and we rest on our morals..
do you mean laurels !!!
6 of one half a dozen of the other mate, you get what I meant. Morals could also be used as we don't have any and we are happy that way it appears.
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Must admit though, I'm liking the trade Carlton did. Got 2 very food young prospects for pick 7 . Makes me sick
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Must admit though, I'm liking the trade Carlton did. Got 2 very food young prospects for pick 7 . Makes me sick
And 19....
Bloody hell
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Dan Richardson hard at work:
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I dunno about u freaks but I'm comfortable with the RFC
Being run like a shorty fish and chip shop
IDGAF about them, tbh.
They're a joke and I'm happy to laugh and point.
Will not win a flag.
LMAO.
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Must admit though, I'm liking the trade Carlton did. Got 2 very food young prospects for pick 7 . Makes me sick
And 19....
Bloody hell
I reckon Jaksch is a battler though
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Adelaide thought they had the list a few years ago and did pretty much the same (nothing) and look where that got them.
Must continue to move forward or just move or left behind.
Not over yet btw....
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Please rename thread "whiney old mole biatchfest"
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FFS can you imagine this site if we drafted Varcoe? :gobdrop
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
Last year all they traded for was Hampster this year nothing. At the moment we have basically 2 years of trades for Shaun Hampson for whom we gave a 2nd round draft pick. Its an absolute, total and complete failure if they don't do something good in the next 24 hours.
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I'm starting to think we should just get Cooney :shh
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Cooney isgood
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Cooney isgood
he's knackered as well injury wise
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:lol :lol :lol if the club thinks our list is were it should be then that's that at the end of the day there heads are on the chopping blokes not ours as supporters... ill back them they will get the best available player who hopefully could be ready to make an impact lets be honest these under 18 kids have never done a AFL pre season and it takes them at least 2 years to get ready go for ready made young kids playing seniors in sanfl and wafl they no whats its like and have mixed it with the older players....
I still think we will grab a recycled player in the draft im still I no people say NO but mitch robinson his hungry and shows balls and not afraid to fly the flag we lack that someone with that ticker.....
don't worry boys danger will be here in 2016 hahah well im hoping as remember we are cashed up
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Cooney isgood
he's knackered as well injury wise
with RFC's medicos, would be like the Cooney of 2009, you saw what happened with Trengove, didn't get past em, they could turn water into whine those blokes :shh
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Cooney isgood
he's knackered as well injury wise
with RFC's medicos, would be like the Cooney of 2009, you saw what happened with Trengove, didn't get past em, they could turn water into whine those blokes :shh
come on cooney please why not re draft jake king then hahaha if we are going down this road his finished trengrove finished winderlich finished we have chased players that are off no value to the club just a joke two young good kids go to carlton why didn't we chase them or make a play at at least a one of them... if I read the paper tomorrow and it comes out saying Richmond close to signing some well known player but left it tooo late ill be peeedd off :banghead :banghead
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Cooney isgood
he's knackered as well injury wise
with RFC's medicos, would be like the Cooney of 2009, you saw what happened with Trengove, didn't get past em, they could turn water into whine those blokes :shh
come on cooney please why not re draft jake king then hahaha if we are going down this road his finished trengrove finished winderlich finished we have chased players that are off no value to the club just a joke two young good kids go to carlton why didn't we chase them or make a play at at least a one of them... if I read the paper tomorrow and it comes out saying Richmond close to signing some well known player but left it tooo late ill be peeedd off :banghead :banghead
FJ probably didn't rate the GWS players like how he didn't rate O Rourke :shh
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
Last year all they traded for was Hampster this year nothing. At the moment we have basically 2 years of trades for Shaun Hampson for whom we gave a 2nd round draft pick. Its an absolute, total and complete failure if they don't do something good in the next 24 hours.
Why is it a total and complete failure exactly?
In the draft periods gone by we would have traded for a player just because he was available and it has bitten us. Now we are being a bit more cautious.
Or they have actually tried but maybe there were no players available that suit our needs, or were asking for too much bugs bunny, or could not give us much in the future seeing we are not in the window, or wanted draft picks that we did not have, or asking for a player we were not willing to trade, or they were not interested in a player we had up for trade.......
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
Last year all they traded for was Hampster this year nothing. At the moment we have basically 2 years of trades for Shaun Hampson for whom we gave a 2nd round draft pick. Its an absolute, total and complete failure if they don't do something good in the next 24 hours.
Why is it a total and complete failure exactly?
In the draft periods gone by we would have traded for a player just because he was available and it has bitten us. Now we are being a bit more cautious.
Or they have actually tried but maybe there were no players available that suit our needs, or were asking for too much bugs bunny, or could not give us much in the future seeing we are not in the window, or wanted draft picks that we did not have, or asking for a player we were not willing to trade, or they were not interested in a player we had up for trade.......
its pretty simple if your standing still and everyone else is moving forwards then what that means is that you are going backwards or falling behind. No finals for us in 2015 the way things stand at the moment. Lucky if we finish 10th at this rate.
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
Last year all they traded for was Hampster this year nothing. At the moment we have basically 2 years of trades for Shaun Hampson for whom we gave a 2nd round draft pick. Its an absolute, total and complete failure if they don't do something good in the next 24 hours.
Why is it a total and complete failure exactly?
In the draft periods gone by we would have traded for a player just because he was available and it has bitten us. Now we are being a bit more cautious.
Or they have actually tried but maybe there were no players available that suit our needs, or were asking for too much bugs bunny, or could not give us much in the future seeing we are not in the window, or wanted draft picks that we did not have, or asking for a player we were not willing to trade, or they were not interested in a player we had up for trade.......
its pretty simple if your standing still and everyone else is moving forwards then what that means is that you are going backwards or falling behind. No finals for us in 2015 the way things stand at the moment. Lucky if we finish 10th at this rate.
Part of a cunning grand plan - need higher draft picks next year to trade for Hoskin-Elliot/Cameron/Dangerfield etc....
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
when we miss finals next year come back and tell us again what you think.
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
Haha yeah everyone stuffed up except us. :rollin
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If they added Christianson/O'Rourke/frawley me would no complain
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
when we miss finals next year come back and tell us again what you think.
So are you saying we wont make finals?
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
Haha yeah everyone stuffed up except us. :rollin
I think we dodged a bullet this trade period. We didn't succeed or fail but just because clubs traded doesn't been they were automatically successful.
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
I believe the opposite. I don't think we are at a stage where we need to top up and should still be using our early picks to draft in young talent we can develop. When we're top 4 then its time to go fishing. We tried to bring talent in without giving away too much so you can't say we sat on our hands for this trade period.
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
I believe the opposite. I don't think we are at a stage where we need to top up and should still be using our early picks to draft in young talent we can develop. When we're top 4 then its time to go fishing. We tried to bring talent in without giving away too much so you can't say we sat on our hands for this trade period.
we don't have any early picks stripes. our first pick happens at 12 then its bananas
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If they added Christianson/O'Rourke/frawley me would no complain
Hawthorn are the clear trade winners this year for mine
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If they added Christianson/O'Rourke/frawley me would no complain
Hawthorn are the clear trade winners this year for mine
Brisbane
St Kilda
also huge winners amongst a lot of teams who have improved their positions
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
Haha yeah everyone stuffed up except us. :rollin
I think we dodged a bullet this trade period. We didn't succeed or fail but just because clubs traded doesn't been they were automatically successful.
doesn't mean they were automatic failures either :thumbsup
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
I believe the opposite. I don't think we are at a stage where we need to top up and should still be using our early picks to draft in young talent we can develop. When we're top 4 then its time to go fishing. We tried to bring talent in without giving away too much so you can't say we sat on our hands for this trade period.
Its a first round pick in a very even draft which we're seeking out a quality mid while most other clubs are after talls. For the first time in years the draft is actually uncompromised too so we could actually finally get some talent through.
we don't have any early picks stripes. our first pick happens at 12 then its bananas
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
Haha yeah everyone stuffed up except us. :rollin
I think we dodged a bullet this trade period. We didn't succeed or fail but just because clubs traded doesn't been they were automatically successful.
doesn't mean they were automatic failures either :thumbsup
Collingwood are weaker after this trade period particularly in the short term so I would suggest that was a fail.
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
I believe the opposite. I don't think we are at a stage where we need to top up and should still be using our early picks to draft in young talent we can develop. When we're top 4 then its time to go fishing. We tried to bring talent in without giving away too much so you can't say we sat on our hands for this trade period.
How are we going to get to top 4? We will have natural improvement within the group but so does every other club. It's all about how much more you can improve. Unless Griffiths, Vickery, Astbury, batchelor and Lennon all become a or b graders we won't be challenging for top 4. We'll be in a dogfight to make the bottom of the 8 with another 8-9 sides
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Collingwood traded because they had to. Getting rid of Beams and H wasn't there idea. Replacing them with average players in Greenhill and Varcoe is like us trading out Cotchin and Rance for M. Wallace and Stanton - it's a loss.
Hawthorn did well but Carlton payed overs for what they gained. Saints got 3 picks in the top 21 but gave up their best tall.
Clubs haven't had a better trade period because they are active. We tried to secure a quality player for minimum cost but both trades feel through through no fault of our own but by all means continue your irrational rants gentlemen. Wouldn't be the same site without it ;D
Haha yeah everyone stuffed up except us. :rollin
I think we dodged a bullet this trade period. We didn't succeed or fail but just because clubs traded doesn't been they were automatically successful.
doesn't mean they were automatic failures either :thumbsup
Collingwood are weaker after this trade period particularly in the short term so I would suggest that was a fail.
Yeah short term, but they've made the best of a bad situation(beams wanting out) and have absolutely loaded up on blue chip talent the last few years that should reap rewards medium-long term.
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If they added Christianson/O'Rourke/frawley me would no complain
Hawthorn are the clear trade winners this year for mine
Brisbane
St Kilda
also huge winners amongst a lot of teams who have improved their positions
Brisbane best 22 looks pretty dam good
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If they added Christianson/O'Rourke/frawley me would no complain
Hawthorn are the clear trade winners this year for mine
Brisbane
St Kilda
also huge winners amongst a lot of teams who have improved their positions
Brisbane best 22 looks pretty dam good
agree, some fine top end talent
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the way things stand at the moment recruiting wise - I don't see us making finals next year. that is correct.
I believe the opposite. I don't think we are at a stage where we need to top up and should still be using our early picks to draft in young talent we can develop. When we're top 4 then its time to go fishing. We tried to bring talent in without giving away too much so you can't say we sat on our hands for this trade period.
We underperformed horribly this year and still scraped into the 8. We are still a young team improving. Other teams are aging and trying to top up to stay within striking distance. The 8 will have a different look next year imo. I'm not sure we will make the top 4 but I wouldn't be surprized.
How are we going to get to top 4? We will have natural improvement within the group but so does every other club. It's all about how much more you can improve. Unless Griffiths, Vickery, Astbury, batchelor and Lennon all become a or b graders we won't be challenging for top 4. We'll be in a dogfight to make the bottom of the 8 with another 8-9 sides
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
Yep its like which packs of whiney old moles are going to start up today
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Lions will do us next year
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
Dogs got Boyd
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
Dogs got Boyd
pick 6 and Griffith - they got bent over
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Debatable
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
Dogs got Boyd
pick 6 and Griffith - they got bent over
don't agree. Griffen has what 3 years left and No 6 could be a good player or a bust. Boyd gives the bulldogs what they've wanted for years a big key forward who can play. They have an emerging midfield. The dogs have done alright here.
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
Yes like a young Lockett was a spud.
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
Yes like a young Lockett was a spud.
will be a dud like Jack Watt
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
Yes like a young Lockett was a spud.
will be a dud like Jack Watt
Groupie you do realise this is your OER account and not BF where you don't stand out as much for being a 'tard?
Also, tigs2010 can't like any of your posts here.
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
Yes like a young Lockett was a spud.
will be a dud like Jack Watt
Groupie you do realise this is your OER account and not BF where you don't stand out as much for being a 'tard?
Also, tigs2010 can't like any of your posts here.
1, I am not Grouping , 2 poor form using that other word
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Boyd has done nothing he is a spud
Yes like a young Lockett was a spud.
will be a dud like Jack Watt
Groupie you do realise this is your OER account and not BF where you don't stand out as much for being a 'tard?
Also, tigs2010 can't like any of your posts here.
1, I am not Grouping , 2 poor form using that other word
1. No you're not Grouping but you are Groupie.
2. What's wrong with tigs2010? Have you two lovebirds fallen out?
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boyd couldn't get a game as he was behind Cameron, patton know he is going to the bulldogs as there main target next to who camerai please wont handle it in his first couple of years maybe good in 3-4 years but not know....
just love how this people can come out on Tuesday and say boyd will NOT be going anywhere he will be at GWS and we haven't even entered talks about him leaving yet in 24 hours they talk and know this happens clubs just lie lie lie we the supporters are filled with crap..... :banghead :banghead
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we the supporters are filled with crap.....
The correct grammar is
We, the supporters, are full of crap
Perhaps if you actually listened to your teachers rather than posting on forums you may know that.
Besides that, its good to see you post something accurate for once.
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don't agree. Griffen has what 3 years left and No 6 could be a good player or a bust. Boyd gives the bulldogs what they've wanted for years a big key forward who can play. They have an emerging midfield. The dogs have done alright here.
Reckon Boyd is just as likely to be a bust as pick 6, hasn't really shown anything except that he can get through a season unlike Patton :shh. Considering both players wanted out I'd call it a win for both teams
P.S is this a necessary thread? The OP adds nothing new and could really of just been posted in one of the numerous other threads he has started ::)
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
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don't agree. Griffen has what 3 years left and No 6 could be a good player or a bust. Boyd gives the bulldogs what they've wanted for years a big key forward who can play. They have an emerging midfield. The dogs have done alright here.
Reckon Boyd is just as likely to be a bust as pick 6, hasn't really shown anything except that he can get through a season unlike Patton :shh. Considering both players wanted out I'd call it a win for both teams
P.S is this a necessary thread? The OP adds nothing new and could really of just been posted in one of the numerous other threads he has started ::)
Gotta agree with this should be a special place where he can post threads only or else one gigantic merged thread
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
I pretty much disagree with everyone of your posts in is topic. You are seriously as deluded as BJ.
NFI anymore.
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
A broken 29yo griffen and pick 6 for last years number 1 pick is a steal, absolute steal. They aren't pushing for serious finals yet, but when they are in 3 years time, Boyd will just be entering his peak and Griff will be 32 and finished. Personally I think GWS got bent over. By the time GWS are ready for finals Griff will be gawn...
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Can this thread be merged into the Dees and Bulldogs one
And the could that merged thread be merged into the Poort one?
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
A broken 29yo griffen and pick 6 for last years number 1 pick is a steal, absolute steal. They aren't pushing for serious finals yet, but when they are in 3 years time, Boyd will just be entering his peak and Griff will be 32 and finished. Personally I think GWS got bent over. By the time GWS are ready for finals Griff will be gawn...
Yeah but GWS need old bastards like Griff who want to be there or they'll go nowhere. Win-win.
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
I pretty much disagree with everyone of your posts in is topic. You are seriously as deluded as BJ.
NFI anymore.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
A broken 29yo griffen and pick 6 for last years number 1 pick is a steal, absolute steal. They aren't pushing for serious finals yet, but when they are in 3 years time, Boyd will just be entering his peak and Griff will be 32 and finished. Personally I think GWS got bent over. By the time GWS are ready for finals Griff will be gawn...
Yeah but GWS need old bastards like Griff who want to be there or they'll go nowhere. Win-win.
Why will they go nowhere? They have a massive glut of talent that in 3 years will be killing it. Disagree
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Steel if you ask me. Look at what type of player 6 gets you. Conca types
Griffin 29 next year.
stkilda and buldogs have had a great draft. I mean 21 for stanley WTF.
Taking a big risk with Boyd. Paying a mill a year for a player who has only kicked 6 goals in his career plus giving up a proven star and pick 6! That's overs imo. Boyd could be a star but they don't the midfield atm to get the ball to him so he'll look like a donkey for years. Griffin still has 3 years before their younger mids are at their peak and their number 6 pick starts coming into his own.
Boyd means nothing to GWS. They already have Cameron and Patton and a developing midfield which is the envy of the league. Griffin will be a great mentor and take the pressure off their younger players like Gaz does at GC. I would be happy as a WB supporters because they were likely to lose Griffin for nothing but I still believe GWS came out the winner in that trade.
I pretty much disagree with everyone of your posts in is topic. You are seriously as deluded as BJ.
NFI anymore.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
LoL you idiot, FJs team is taking Nine draft selections to National and rookie draft....Ohh boy wish we traded a top 10 pick for Jaksch and wiley ::) ....oooh mummy can I have some flairy foss too :lol :wallywink :banghead
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
LoL you idiot, FJs team is taking Nine draft selections to National and rookie draft....Ohh boy wish we traded a top 10 pick for Jaksch and wiley ::) ....oooh mummy can I have some flairy foss too :lol :wallywink :banghead
Prediction - Richmonds 1st round pick - solid average plodder.
2nd to 9th round picks - butchered
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
LoL you idiot, FJs team is taking Nine draft selections to National and rookie draft....Ohh boy wish we traded a top 10 pick for Jaksch and wiley ::) ....oooh mummy can I have some flairy foss too :lol :wallywink :banghead
Prediction - Richmonds 1st round pick - solid average plodder.
2nd to 9th round picks - butchered
Yeah but as long as our fist pick aces the psych test and displays "leadership qualties", that's all that matters.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
LoL you idiot, FJs team is taking Nine draft selections to National and rookie draft....Ohh boy wish we traded a top 10 pick for Jaksch and wiley ::) ....oooh mummy can I have some flairy foss too :lol :wallywink :banghead
Prediction - Richmonds 1st round pick - solid average plodder.
2nd to 9th round picks - butchered
Yeah but as long as our fist pick aces the psych test and displays "leadership qualties", that's all that matters.
Let's all drink Dimmas catheter bag of produce and yet again bask in the glory of mediocrity.
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Hawthorn got Frawley and O'Rourke
Carlton got Jacksh and Wiley
Collingwood got Greenwood and Varcoe
Who did Richmond FC get ?
LoL you idiot, FJs team is taking Nine draft selections to National and rookie draft....Ohh boy wish we traded a top 10 pick for Jaksch and wiley ::) ....oooh mummy can I have some flairy foss too :lol :wallywink :banghead
Prediction - Richmonds 1st round pick - solid average plodder.
2nd to 9th round picks - butchered
Yeah but as long as our fist pick aces the psych test and displays "leadership qualties", that's all that matters.
Let's all drink Dimmas catheter bag of produce and yet again bask in the glory of mediocrity.
Ok you first
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
its just the old george bush mentality of if you arent with us us, you are against us.
the whiney old moles post nothing but negative whiney critism, and if you happen to pick out the odd one and question whether that criticism is valid, you get labelled an apologist and the claim is you back the club blindly on every occasion.
i suppose its a case of misery loves company and they cant stand the thought that not everyone views the world through their dark hate filled eyes
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
Great post, I find it hilarious to read the past 2 years - particularly this season given the garbage dished up by the club prior to this.
There is some great insight but a load of dribble in between.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
Nah you're not PE1, You haven't offended me at all mate, all good. My play on words was a bit slack. Meant that people of your opinion sit there taking potshots at the 'whiners' for being negative. It's gotten to the point where a poster can't question anything about the club without being labelled a whiner, whinged or what not. Plenty of hypocrites on here.
Don't mistake frustration and exasperation for hatred of the club. If they hated they wouldn't even bother talking about the club. There is passion and a lot of cynicism.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
Great post, I find it hilarious to read the past 2 years - particularly this season given the garbage dished up by the club prior to this.
There is some great insight but a load of dribble in between.
You know what is also hilarious HRT? the amazing ability of some posters to incessantly back the clubs every decision like they are infallible.
If our past 30year record has proven anything, it's that the club has gotten a lot more wrong than right, so I'd say supporters have a right to question the decisions being made.
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agreed TM.
Those same old faces who go on about whingers are exactly that themselves so perhaps they should contribute something of substance once in a while.
Frustration is exactly what it is. We pay our dues some here twice three times over so if people want to vent WGAF
The club makes good decisions (miles, debt, VFL side) but not great ones, hence why we are the club that we are.
I, like many want to win a flag not participate in finals series. Recruiters are spoken about at length but the reason is we are probably where we are as a result of them and the way these kids are developed.
Ramps you wanted upgrade of picks, which i agree with but stuff the time has come to turn some of these late picks into genuine players. Unfortunately until FJ is sacked and genuine a grade assistants are hired, things wont change.
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agreed TM.
Those same old faces who go on about whingers are exactly that themselves so perhaps they should contribute something of substance once in a while.
Frustration is exactly what it is. We pay our dues some here twice three times over so if people want to vent WGAF
The club makes good decisions (miles, debt, VFL side) but not great ones, hence why we are the club that we are.
I, like many want to win a flag not participate in finals series. Recruiters are spoken about at length but the reason is we are probably where we are as a result of them and the way these kids are developed.
Ramps you wanted upgrade of picks, which i agree with but stuff the time has come to turn some of these late picks into genuine players. Unfortunately until FJ is sacked and genuine a grade assistants are hired, things wont change.
I have no faith in RFCs ability to draft good players. None. Especially after the first round. Our draft picks this year are poor. The club is hoping for miracles right about now I reckon. They've stuffed up over the last 2 years in trade week (well until tonight atleast) Hopefully they do somethingdecent tomorrow but Im not expecting it. When the management come out and say they will heavily invest in the draft and all they have is picks 12 33 52 70 and 88 then they are taking the pee from supporters. The question has to be asked - what the stuff have they been doing for 12 months?
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No club can win a flag with so many busts. I dont know the facts on this and im sure claw can provide them, but i would say its never been done.
Swans, Cats, Hawks, Lions all had golden eras in the last 15 years and the take a look at where some of their guns were selected.
Just had a quick look at the lions and voss, black and aker were not top 30 picks.
It just amazes me that hardwick cant see how pathetic FJ is and has been since day 1. He is the biggest coach killer that bloke.
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lions are probably not such a good example to use as they got the pick of Fitzroy when they absorbed them.
Sydney success was set up by Roos, a self confessed fan of the money ball principles.
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People like stripes complain about "the whingers and whinny old bastards" yet the way they play devils advocate and back the club in on every single decision is ridiculous.
So all of a sudden I'm public enemy number one am I? When have I every called people "whingers and whinny old bastards"? Recently I have just gotten tired of hearing all the club bashing around these parts and tried to add some positive balance. I don't agree with everything the club does by any stretch of the imagination but I don't smack the club about everything too.
I'm sorry mate if I've offended you in some way. I just found the endless stream of posts calling for the coaches, recruiters, administrators and players heads a bit hard to stomach. In the past there was always a balance of posters I this site but now days it seems almost everyone hasn't got a good word to say about the place.
Its just me mate. I find it hard to understand how so many passionate supporters seem to hate the club so much.
its just the old george bush mentality of if you arent with us us, you are against us.
the whiney old moles post nothing but negative whiney critism, and if you happen to pick out the odd one and question whether that criticism is valid, you get labelled an apologist and the claim is you back the club blindly on every occasion.
i suppose its a case of misery loves company and they cant stand the thought that not everyone views the world through their dark hate filled eyes
I don't know why you bother even engaging them. I find it easier to scroll past the miserable moles. It's all just (http://i1264.photobucket.com/albums/jj489/dwwaino/baby.gif) and I'm too apathetic to care.
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I dunno about u freaks but I'm comfortable with the RFC
Being run like a shorty fish and chip shop
IDGAF about them, tbh.
They're a joke and I'm happy to laugh and point.
Will not win a flag.
LMAO.
Begs the question, why u here then ?
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lions are probably not such a good example to use as they got the pick of Fitzroy when they absorbed them.
Sydney success was set up by Roos, a self confessed fan of the money ball principles.
true re: lions but they still found those players i mentioned and doubt they would have won 3 without those guys.
The swans of today IMO wouldnt have won a flag without some of the guns they recruited through the rookie draft or later picks.
AL i have an issue with monkeyball when they are clearly mediocre players like thomas, petterd and just plain rubbish like hampson. Think they got the houli, maric one right and grigg was okay in his first few years but we have let him play senior footy without trying to upgrade him. He should be our Kyle Cheney for the hawks. When required is in the team but his first picked most times along with newman another hack.
Albert, let me ask you who in our list can you see helping us win a flag outside of jack, dusty, maric, cotch, lids, and do you think we can win one with the way we are going.
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ok different points to address.
monkeyball as you call it. roos used the principles to bring success to the swans.
for arguments sake we will say it has not been a success for us.
2 clubs apply the same principles, one is successful, one is not.
so does that mean the principle is flawed, or the implementation by one of the clubs?
you could point out our massive failures using the draft in previous years and argue that it proves that using the draft is flawed, yet most people would acknowledge it has been the implementation that is the problem.
re question about other players. no doubt you have listed the cream of the crop. generally it is not the top the top players that seperate sides, but the bottom ones. if you look at it rationally, there have been some serious potatoes get themselves premiership medallions over the years. except for sides like brisbane and geelong (who got a prettty good run with father son picks untill they changed the rules), most premiership sides are not full of champions, but are good teams because of their middle tier role players.
on the the question of weather we can win a flag, i honestly dont know.
despite all the gloom and doom preached by some, the side has improved under hardwick and we have managed to do what this club has not done in a long long time, play in two final series in a row.
this year was a truely mixed grill. half a season of unadulterated crap and with very little change to the 22 that ran out each week, a winning streak that happens very rarely in this comp. this is despite most of us questioning, and with good reason, hardwicks response to the poor form dished up. i think it is fair to say that we all shown to be wrong on that front.
basically, rather than carry on like the world is about to end because i haven't got my instant gratification in the trade period i will take a wait and see approach.
....and if we dish up what we did at the start of this season, i will simply drop off and concentrate on other things that i have control over,as i did early on this season, rather than become a miserable old git, .
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Same poo, different year.
Last year the whiney whingers went nuts that we traded our second round pick, now this year there going nuts because we didn't.
To be honest I can't see where the club could have done more this trade period.
A...we still have little to no trade currency (without giving away key players) and B we had no players nominate us as there preferred team!!
It's fanciful to think we're going to get good picks for our dud players! FFS people even wanted to trade for Robinson and Hunt who both look like there now going to be delisted!!
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I agree with you Albert on some points but its not the fact we lost its how we lost in that final. I was there and witnessed it but did i get upset or let it bother me. Negative. It was nothing like the previous year where i was mighty peeed off. i have lost interest in footy this year and im tipping as each year passes il lose more. Its not the same and its run like a bordello.
The trade period has been disappointing, but not because we didn't get trengrove or frawley. They tried with jack and im content the medical staff finally got something right. Roos that shark and the dees tried to shaft us whether WP likes to admit it or not.
IMO we failed because we didn't attempt to upgrade our picks by throwing up grigg and conca. Im sure im alone on this also but i really thought we could have had a crack at garlett with a late pick. He has runs on the board and has one bad year along with many of his other teammates at visy park. We need a small forward desperately and by not attempting to deal with the blues means we are still not confident in recruiting these types because our culture is still poor, and we are afraid they will run off. i would back garlett over a FJ special at pick 60 any day of the week.
As for you luigi not sure what your on about to be honest. No one cared we gave away our second rounder its who we gave it up for. There is a big difference.
Your comments have proven to be incorrect about not having player currency. Exhibit A Harry Labamba, Exhibit B Stanley
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stuff me, some on here cannot be kept happy. Trade for players and the whingeing about not going to the draft for a young bloke begins.
Go to the draft for young blokes and the whingeing about not trading for a player begins.
ah yet some of us not many mind complain about the lack of balance in our recruiting the lack of process and the clear lack of success.
we need to embrace trade/fa period its a way to grow and improve yopur list in a big way. we also need to stay in the nd every yr . if we are not going to be overly active in the trade period going for players then it was important we improve our draft position if only going to nd. this is just plain common sense.
as for proceess ffs 1 junior last yr and a plethora of mature players and this yr no mature players yet we will go to the nd hopefully this yr we will take more than one junior.
mate you cant blame people for going crook they are all over the shop.
anyway it no longer matters if we werent locked and loaded last yr we sure as hell are this yr the list is reaqdy to go and it wont matter who we get in the nd. this is not a pee take its a serious read of their actions. in fact after the last 3 yrs one can only come to this conclusion.
they either have it right or they seriously overestimate the list. im pretty sure i know which one it is.
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No club can win a flag with so many busts. I dont know the facts on this and im sure claw can provide them, but i would say its never been done.
Swans, Cats, Hawks, Lions all had golden eras in the last 15 years and the take a look at where some of their guns were selected.
Just had a quick look at the lions and voss, black and aker were not top 30 picks.
It just amazes me that hardwick cant see how pathetic FJ is and has been since day 1. He is the biggest coach killer that bloke.
brissie is intersting.
heres a breakdown of where their 2003 premiership team came from.
state/zone selections - voss, akermanis, keating, white,
1st rounders - lappin p/s 2, mcgrath 13, power 5, leppitsch p/s 4,
2nd rounders - black 31, brown f/s 30, charman 29, hadley 22,
3rd rounders - hart 33, pike 33.
4th rounders - bradshaw,
psd draft - mccrae
rookie draft - copeland
fitzroy merger - johnson, ashcroft not sure with ashcroft.
trades - michael for 44 and molloy. lynch for nd 7, carracella for nd 10
whn trading they were prepared to give up plenty to get plenty.
they found players from all available areas, almost half of their team came from the 2nd round thru to the rookie draft.
they used their zone selections well.
to me they utilised all areas well in building the side. its what i go on about well rounded recruiting utilising all areas to best advantage. we must do well in trades we must take part in f/a and we must find players in all areas of the national and rookie drafts.
just to finish i think peoples trust is misplaced when they say but we have made finals for two yrs.
rather than hang my hat on that i ask are we really any better placed than we were in say 06 when we finished 9th. middling is middling and the list weaknesses just dont disappear because you have made finals.to think that is delusion at its worst.
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For those who were wondering finipoohink = finish, I think
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I agree with you Albert on some points but its not the fact we lost its how we lost in that final. I was there and witnessed it but did i get upset or let it bother me. Negative. It was nothing like the previous year where i was mighty peeed off. i have lost interest in footy this year and im tipping as each year passes il lose more. Its not the same and its run like a bordello.
The trade period has been disappointing, but not because we didn't get trengrove or frawley. They tried with jack and im content the medical staff finally got something right. Roos that shark and the dees tried to shaft us whether WP likes to admit it or not.
IMO we failed because we didn't attempt to upgrade our picks by throwing up grigg and conca. Im sure im alone on this also but i really thought we could have had a crack at garlett with a late pick. He has runs on the board and has one bad year along with many of his other teammates at visy park. We need a small forward desperately and by not attempting to deal with the blues means we are still not confident in recruiting these types because our culture is still poor, and we are afraid they will run off. i would back garlett over a FJ special at pick 60 any day of the week.
As for you luigi not sure what your on about to be honest. No one cared we gave away our second rounder its who we gave it up for. There is a big difference.
Your comments have proven to be incorrect about not having player currency. Exhibit A Harry Labamba, Exhibit B Stanley
Difference between La'bumyamumma and Stanly is someone wanted them!!
It was touted earlier this year Geelong were also keen on Vickery and Griff, clearly the club thought they were worth a little more than pick 21 and I must say at this point I agree. Again it's a case of people either completely overrating our players or completely underrating! Maybe we should have hung onto McGuane for one more year, Geelong would have been all over us with pick 21 ;D
As for no one caring that we gave up our second rounder last year? I'll let you read through the 32 pages of the Hampson thread and you can make your own mind up as to how many people we're stoked with that decision ;)
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Claw I think you will find similar picks in the cats hawks and swans premiership teams. It's why I'm so frustrated that we can't seem to find any genuine talent in our list outside of the top 15 and quote frankly that's not going to deliver you success
It's concerning when the club doesn't feel the need to upgrade FJ and add in genuine development and assistant coaches. Maybe it's just me but mcqualter and bailey bloody hell. Surely we can do better than them. The decision to start the year an assistant coach short from the previous year was wrong.
The finest ruck coach out there is monkhurst. Look what he does with all the talls. Wish the club had some balls and started getting on the front foot and poaching some of these types. Ben Rutten please. Scarlett etc all went elsewhere.
Do we not have the money?? Must be the problem or they are just plain dumb
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For those who were wondering finipoohink = finish, I think
Im stuffing fascinated LOL wtf is that word and how the hell did it come about ? I want to use it in conversations.
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If someone wants Stanley for top 25 pick
I find it hard to believe there would have been no interest in Ellis/Vickery type for top 15 pick or a decent pick upgrade situation
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For those who were wondering finipoohink = finish, I think
Im stuffing fascinated LOL wtf is that word and how the hell did it come about ? I want to use it in conversations.
Claw used it and I just had a guess to what it means
just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced when they say but we have made finals for two yrs.
rather than hang my hat on that i ask are we really any better placed than we were in say 06 when we finished 9th. middling is middling and the list weaknesses just dont disappear because you have made finals.to think that is delusion at its worst.
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New poll should be started," Where do you think the Tigers will finipoohink next year?"
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Claw I think you will find similar picks in the cats hawks and swans premiership teams. It's why I'm so frustrated that we can't seem to find any genuine talent in our list outside of the top 15 and quote frankly that's not going to deliver you success
It's concerning when the club doesn't feel the need to upgrade FJ and add in genuine development and assistant coaches. Maybe it's just me but mcqualter and bailey bloody hell. Surely we can do better than them. The decision to start the year an assistant coach short from the previous year was wrong.
The finest ruck coach out there is monkhurst. Look what he does with all the talls. Wish the club had some balls and started getting on the front foot and poaching some of these types. Ben Rutten please. Scarlett etc all went elsewhere.
Do we not have the money?? Must be the problem or they are just plain dumb
agree ive been saying it for yrs to succeed you have to get all areas right, bloody hell there arent that many ways available to you to build your list you cant afford to regularly get a large area of your recruiting wrong.
and on vickery what is he worth or should he be worth. if i asked most richmond people it would be a top 10 pick, yes there are plenty of realists on this site which is great. if i ask others it aint much at all. personally i think he would have got us a pick inside of the top 20.
ive given my reasons plenty of times why i think we should have traded one of vickery, griffiths possibly even mcbean, it isnt rocket science we dont need 3 ruck/fwds. what we do need is two types of genuine high quality tall fwds. imo it should be the list priority at the nd. imo the list is in dire shape in all areas bar one when it comes to talls. that one is ruck/fwd.
intrading a tall id be bringing in at least 4 talls this national and rookie draft. even with that sort of intake we would not have the numbers imo.
to me we are screaming out for a very high quality kpf and a quick smart hard working hit up type. the backline is screaming out for a quality key defender to partner rance. the backline is actually screaming out for a lumumba type or heath shaw type kyle cheney would have done.
we still search for a ruckman especially if hampson continues to spud it up.
we still chase after a sml fwd its an area that is deplorable for quality and right type.
as the club states we need mids but please lets not chase purely outside mids. hallahn imo would have fit the bill nicely as far as replacing jackson goes.
cmon the holes are everywhere most actually acknowledge them, but when it comes to suggesting we trade out players or delist players who have done little in 4 or more yrs we get this digging in of the heels.
carlton, collingwood, hawthorn all in different phases yet they have no hesitation in trading out players , richmond well our mantra is lets hang on for one more yr just maybe the player will come good. our trouble is exacerbated by the fact that one more yr becomes another 3 and before we know it we have very ordinary players who have been around for 6 7 yrs of mediocrity.this is a constant theme.
said this before but i would have been happy to take or at the least go damn hard at.
garlett - would have cost us pick 70.
frawley - f/a
gwilt f/a.
hallahan - 3rd round picks when we fell out of chasing greenwood we really should have been going hard at this kid.imo we should have been going after him well before the trade period began.
this is exactly what we got hartley for didnt we. identify those who can play who are not getting a regular game.gcs stole this bloke did we even look at him.
trade out a excess player for a good draft pick and we have the best of both worlds, address list needs very cheaply and stay heavily involved in the nd.
there was great opportunity to grow and improve our list and we failed to take that opportunity.
the only conclusion we are happy with our lot and are indeed locked and loaded.
i bet my bottom dollar we will now do what we always do and that is load up with more than our fair share of delisted players in the nd and rookie drafts.
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Gwilt is a pooty
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Gwilt is a pooty
iyo. vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.has had knee issues which have held him back in recent yrs.
offers run of hb is versatile plays on both smalls and talls and is accountable. he would be an immediate upgrade on players we have and he would have cost nothing.
if gwilt is pooty you must hate our players.
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:lol year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt :dancing
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I agree with you Albert on some points but its not the fact we lost its how we lost in that final. I was there and witnessed it but did i get upset or let it bother me. Negative. It was nothing like the previous year where i was mighty peeed off. i have lost interest in footy this year and im tipping as each year passes il lose more. Its not the same and its run like a bordello.
The trade period has been disappointing, but not because we didn't get trengrove or frawley. They tried with jack and im content the medical staff finally got something right. Roos that shark and the dees tried to shaft us whether WP likes to admit it or not.
IMO we failed because we didn't attempt to upgrade our picks by throwing up grigg and conca. Im sure im alone on this also but i really thought we could have had a crack at garlett with a late pick. He has runs on the board and has one bad year along with many of his other teammates at visy park. We need a small forward desperately and by not attempting to deal with the blues means we are still not confident in recruiting these types because our culture is still poor, and we are afraid they will run off. i would back garlett over a FJ special at pick 60 any day of the week.
As for you luigi not sure what your on about to be honest. No one cared we gave away our second rounder its who we gave it up for. There is a big difference.
Your comments have proven to be incorrect about not having player currency. Exhibit A Harry Labamba, Exhibit B Stanley
Difference between La'bumyamumma and Stanly is someone wanted them!!
It was touted earlier this year Geelong were also keen on Vickery and Griff, clearly the club thought they were worth a little more than pick 21 and I must say at this point I agree. Again it's a case of people either completely overrating our players or completely underrating! Maybe we should have hung onto McGuane for one more year, Geelong would have been all over us with pick 21 ;D
As for no one caring that we gave up our second rounder last year? I'll let you read through the 32 pages of the Hampson thread and you can make your own mind up as to how many people we're stoked with that decision ;)
the stanley and jones trades.
like players we have both show promise have decent games now and then but are totally devoid of any sort of consistency. the gap between their best and worst is just too large.
unlike us stkilda and wb have said they have had long enough no more hoping they will come good lets salvage something from the wreck and go again. us well we continue to hang on in hope.
all round stanley has probably been better than griffiths and vickery and the saints are prepared to trade him.
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Gwilt is a pooty
iyo. vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.has had knee issues which have held him back in recent yrs.
offers run of hb is versatile plays on both smalls and talls and is accountable. he would be an immediate upgrade on players we have and he would have cost nothing.
if gwilt is pooty you must hate our players.
would throw Chris Knight on a Hbf, would offer surgeon type precision with his disposal, hardness and laser vision hand balling skills, :shh
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:lol year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt :dancing
not worth going into jingle jangles. im very happy with what ive said about tom lee and your continual trolling me on the subject wont change that. id do a tom lee type pick every rookie draft if possible.
what would be nice is if just once you could add something meaningful to a debate. but hey when all you can do is troll a poster on the same thing over and over you have nothing meaningful to add..
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:lol year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt :dancing
not worth going into jingle jangles. im very happy with what ive said about tom lee and your continual trolling me on the subject wont change that. id do a tom lee type pick every rookie draft if possible.
what would be nice is if just once you could add something meaningful to a debate. but hey when all you can do is troll a poster on the same thing over and over you have nothing meaningful to add..
:clapping
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Would take gwilt over chapy
IMO he has more of a dig. Doesn't matter he's under size given our young talls
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Would take gwilt over chapy
IMO he has more of a dig. Doesn't matter he's under size given our young talls
:lol and I'd take Clint jones over dustin Martin :ROTFL
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id take clint jones as a run with player over grigg every day of the week.
in fact in that role hes been better than any player we have had in yrs.
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just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..
b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.
c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles
hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean
int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
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Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh, Garlett?
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Gwilt is a pooty
iyo. vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.
Yes (now that he's a spud), yes, yes and debatable. Too different of a type to Houli to compare IMO
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Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh, Garlett?
its a 22 those on the bench bar the sub spend just as much time as those who start on the ground.so is there really a difference. if your so offended just imagine cotchin is starting and one of the other mids is on the bench.
theres a thing called rotations and most mids would spend about 80 90 minutes on the ground, even those who start the game on the bench.
gwilt mcintosh are defenders and have set roles, garlett is a sml fwd and has a set role or primary function. i know lets play cotch in a back pocket and start gwilt on the bench.
what does amuse is the harping on sml points like cotchin not named on the ground rather than what has been said. seems some of you will do anything to avoid discussing what is being said.
what is being said is we could easily have improved our list built depth and actually had 5 nd picks of which two would be inside the top 20.
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just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..
b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.
c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles
hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean
int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
:lol
Sorry Claw, that's a dead set p'er
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Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh, Garlett?
its a 22 those on the bench bar the sub spend just as much time as those who start on the ground.so is there really a difference. if your so offended just imagine cotchin is starting and one of the other mids is on the bench.
theres a thing called rotations and most mids would spend about 80 90 minutes on the ground, even those who start the game on the bench.
gwilt mcintosh are defenders and have set roles, garlett is a sml fwd and has a set role or primary function. i know lets play cotch in a back pocket and start gwilt on the bench.
what does amuse is the harping on sml points like cotchin not named on the ground rather than what has been said. seems some of you will do anything to avoid discussing what is being said.
what is being said is we could easily have improved our list built depth and actually had 5 nd picks of which two would be inside the top 20.
First, I am not offended by Cotchin being named on the bench.
Second, I am not harping, it was a one line response to your proposed team.
Third, starting your captain on the bench whilst rejects and an unknown draft pick start on the ground is no small point.
Lastly, I am not avoiding the discussion. I have actually prompted it by disagreeing with you.
Cotchin is in our best 18, wins contested possessions and deserves to start on the ground when it matters most. At the beginning.
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just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..
b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.
c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles
hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean
int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin
But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?
Its not the special Olympics
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just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..
b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.
c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles
hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean
int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin
But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?
Its not the special Olympics
:lol :lol eff me, I just swallowed a whole chop LMAO!!
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:lol :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys
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:lol :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys
Apart from Rance
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:lol :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys
Apart from Rance
I think he has a secret crush on Rance. Just plays it down by not rating him, the sly little bugger!
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just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..
b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.
c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles
hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean
int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin
But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?
Its not the special Olympics
you really need to get a clue judgey.
frawley for chaplin. ive never ever heard a bloke whine about a player as much as you do about chaplin. so im not sure what your complaining about here.
gwilt for batchelor/dea there is no comparisons but when you have no idea you have no idea. gwilt to date has massively outperformed both and played some pretty decent footy at afl level.you cant say that about our hacks.
mcintosh for newman. but wait a kid whos had two yrs of injury has no upside and needs to be written off. of course hes picked on potential. i think he has more upside than dea and batchelor.but hey lets just write em off after a few yrs. thats something you wont see me do.
as for yeahnah its right. it would be funny if it wasnt soi sad to see abloke with so few clues.
mcdonough is a fwd and garlett is ten times the player mcdonough has been to date.you arent telling me garlett is not an upgrade on mcdonough. you know when looking at players you should look at like for likes.
mcbean not sure how he comes into it. i picked him as a tall fwd if you havent noticed. i compare him to griffiths and vickery which is appropriate id say.
nope i think you and your nuffie mates are the ones who need to get a clue no stuffing idea.
you blokes make me laugh with this geez our players are great and everyone elses is poo.talk about blind and deluded.
astbury for grimes
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Chaplin is a superstar ask bo :shh
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
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Must admit I was surprised McIntosh got another year, looks decidedly ordinary to me. Still, no more ordinary than Newman's consistently been since about halfway through 2012.
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What are some good qualitys about mcintosh apart from his height and tank (whch is good without being outstanding imo)?
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He's a good older brother
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What are some good qualitys about mcintosh apart from his height and tank (whch is good without being outstanding imo)?
Looks way off the pace
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
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How can you compare someone that has played for 10 years as apposed to someone that has played 5... And been injured also. Dea only played half a season from memory, he had a broken hand and something else. So to play 7 odd games coming back from an injury where you loose touch is a pretty good effort.
Gwilt will have them covered in every stat you can get your hands on. Might be worth waiting till at least Dea has played the same amount of games.
The other thing that Dea has on his side is age. I'm damn sure Gwilt isn't getting any better but Matty Dea could very well do so.
The reason I like Dea is he does everything he can at twos level to put his hand up to play senior footy. McIntosh is still young and been injured, granted but he is a long way off... A long way.
For the record, I think Batch is a dud and would have traded him for anything under pick 50.
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How can you compare someone that has played for 10 years as apposed to someone that has played 5... And been injured also. Dea only played half a season from memory, he had a broken hand and something else. So to play 7 odd games coming back from an injury where you loose touch is a pretty good effort.
Gwilt will have them covered in every stat you can get your hands on. Might be worth waiting till at least Dea has played the same amount of games.
The other thing that Dea has on his side is age. I'm damn sure Gwilt isn't getting any better but Matty Dea could very well do so.
The reason I like Dea is he does everything he can at twos level to put his hand up to play senior footy. McIntosh is still young and been injured, granted but he is a long way off... A long way.
For the record, I think Batch is a dud and would have traded him for anything under pick 50.
your right i cant compare em our two have done nothing to compare. the real question is will they even make it its the only question atm.
gwilt is an upgrade who would have come for nothing. gwilt cheney even lumumba with his head stuff issues all improve our backline instantly.
what is so wrong in say cutting batchelor taking gwilt or even cheney and giving dea another season.
look tone im not anti matt dea but i cant say if he will even make it. like you theres plenty to like about him but 5yrs on and it really looks as though he can play vfl but cant transition to afl.
we cant wait forever for blokes just to reach a pass mark at the level. this kills us its why we cant build a top 4 list and struggle to get beyond mediocre.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
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How can you compare someone that has played for 10 years as apposed to someone that has played 5... And been injured also. Dea only played half a season from memory, he had a broken hand and something else. So to play 7 odd games coming back from an injury where you loose touch is a pretty good effort.
Gwilt will have them covered in every stat you can get your hands on. Might be worth waiting till at least Dea has played the same amount of games.
The other thing that Dea has on his side is age. I'm damn sure Gwilt isn't getting any better but Matty Dea could very well do so.
The reason I like Dea is he does everything he can at twos level to put his hand up to play senior footy. McIntosh is still young and been injured, granted but he is a long way off... A long way.
For the record, I think Batch is a dud and would have traded him for anything under pick 50.
your right i cant compare em our two have done nothing to compare. the real question is will they even make it its the only question atm.
gwilt is an upgrade who would have come for nothing. gwilt cheney even lumumba with his head stuff issues all improve our backline instantly.
what is so wrong in say cutting batchelor taking gwilt or even cheney and giving dea another season.
look tone im not anti matt dea but i cant say if he will even make it. like you theres plenty to like about him but 5yrs on and it really looks as though he can play vfl but cant transition to afl.
we cant wait forever for blokes just to reach a pass mark at the level. this kills us its why we cant build a top 4 list and struggle to get beyond mediocre.
:thumbsup all good mate.
Would love to be able to say "told you so" regarding Matty Dea next year. We need someone from our previous drafts to stand up and take a position off the Griggs and Houli types. I still think our best 16 to 18 are really good, just need to minimize the injuries and hope Dea, McBean and Lennon can improve enough to be regulars in the seniors. The rest of our list is horrible IMO
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
Well said and I 100% agree on you can tell from only a couple of pieces of play that a player will make it. I don't want to get into another debate with YBB but I don't see it in Griff. He marks and kicks great but he hasn't got it inside him to be a good long term player- IMO of course.
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cheers BT :thumbsup we disagree about Griff but in the end, that's what it comes down to, our opinions. We all see things differently.
An interesting fact is that hawthorn's recruiting policy in the past (don't know about the last 5 years) was to send 3-4 scouts to watch the same player at the same game but they weren't allowed to sit together while doing so - needed to be isolated so they could jot down and form their own unbiased views free from outside influences. They would then get together and compare notes.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
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How can you compare someone that has played for 10 years as apposed to someone that has played 5... And been injured also. Dea only played half a season from memory, he had a broken hand and something else. So to play 7 odd games coming back from an injury where you loose touch is a pretty good effort.
Gwilt will have them covered in every stat you can get your hands on. Might be worth waiting till at least Dea has played the same amount of games.
The other thing that Dea has on his side is age. I'm damn sure Gwilt isn't getting any better but Matty Dea could very well do so.
The reason I like Dea is he does everything he can at twos level to put his hand up to play senior footy. McIntosh is still young and been injured, granted but he is a long way off... A long way.
For the record, I think Batch is a dud and would have traded him for anything under pick 50.
your right i cant compare em our two have done nothing to compare. the real question is will they even make it its the only question atm.
gwilt is an upgrade who would have come for nothing. gwilt cheney even lumumba with his head stuff issues all improve our backline instantly.
what is so wrong in say cutting batchelor taking gwilt or even cheney and giving dea another season.
look tone im not anti matt dea but i cant say if he will even make it. like you theres plenty to like about him but 5yrs on and it really looks as though he can play vfl but cant transition to afl.
we cant wait forever for blokes just to reach a pass mark at the level. this kills us its why we cant build a top 4 list and struggle to get beyond mediocre.
:thumbsup all good mate.
Would love to be able to say "told you so" regarding Matty Dea next year. We need someone from our previous drafts to stand up and take a position off the Griggs and Houli types. I still think our best 16 to 18 are really good, just need to minimize the injuries and hope Dea, McBean and Lennon can improve enough to be regulars in the seniors. The rest of our list is horrible IMO
tone i would like nothing better than for you to be able to say i told you so. believe me i hope he makes it.he is a better option imo than some on the list. as i have repeatedly said ive backed him in every yr until now . for me its time to put up at afl level or go.lucky for him he has a season to do it. mate 5 yrs for so little return on a player of his type. we cant continue to run the list like that. its killing us.
me i think we have 12 who we can move fwd on. theres some who have promise but are yet to prove themselves your lennons deas mcbeans the rest wellmost need to be upgraded.
upgrading its what its all about. if you replace a dud with only a mediocre player who can play some decent footy now and then, well its an upgrade. its what we call value adding but it continually lifts the bar and overall standard expected.
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How can you compare someone that has played for 10 years as apposed to someone that has played 5... And been injured also. Dea only played half a season from memory, he had a broken hand and something else. So to play 7 odd games coming back from an injury where you loose touch is a pretty good effort.
Gwilt will have them covered in every stat you can get your hands on. Might be worth waiting till at least Dea has played the same amount of games.
The other thing that Dea has on his side is age. I'm damn sure Gwilt isn't getting any better but Matty Dea could very well do so.
The reason I like Dea is he does everything he can at twos level to put his hand up to play senior footy. McIntosh is still young and been injured, granted but he is a long way off... A long way.
For the record, I think Batch is a dud and would have traded him for anything under pick 50.
your right i cant compare em our two have done nothing to compare. the real question is will they even make it its the only question atm.
gwilt is an upgrade who would have come for nothing. gwilt cheney even lumumba with his head stuff issues all improve our backline instantly.
what is so wrong in say cutting batchelor taking gwilt or even cheney and giving dea another season.
look tone im not anti matt dea but i cant say if he will even make it. like you theres plenty to like about him but 5yrs on and it really looks as though he can play vfl but cant transition to afl.
we cant wait forever for blokes just to reach a pass mark at the level. this kills us its why we cant build a top 4 list and struggle to get beyond mediocre.
:thumbsup all good mate.
Would love to be able to say "told you so" regarding Matty Dea next year. We need someone from our previous drafts to stand up and take a position off the Griggs and Houli types. I still think our best 16 to 18 are really good, just need to minimize the injuries and hope Dea, McBean and Lennon can improve enough to be regulars in the seniors. The rest of our list is horrible IMO
tone i would like nothing better than for you to be able to say i told you so. believe me i hope he makes it.he is a better option imo than some on the list. as i have repeatedly said ive backed him in every yr until now . for me its time to put up at afl level or go.lucky for him he has a season to do it. mate 5 yrs for so little return on a player of his type. we cant continue to run the list like that. its killing us.
me i think we have 12 who we can move fwd on. theres some who have promise but are yet to prove themselves your lennons deas mcbeans the rest wellmost need to be upgraded.
upgrading its what its all about. if you replace a dud with only a mediocre player who can play some decent footy now and then, well its an upgrade. its what we call value adding but it continually lifts the bar and overall standard expected.
One last thing on Dea and I'll shut the stuff up about him, and I have said a one year extension is all I would have given him too, but thing I don't get is you compare 5 years on our list as apposed to Jack Watts five years. One was a standout kid and number 1 draft pick that played footy all through his junior days, the other a basketballer that had played a few TAC cup games before being drafted. Throw that in with a few injuries along the way and he has really been on our list the equivalent of probably 3 years IMO. Big year ahead for him but has shown me enough to think he could be in our best 22 and be a very good player.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
You are jumping at shadows and taking what im saying out of context. Im not comparing batch and dea to watts.
You mentioned McIntosh has all the tools, and he does seem to physically, but footballers need more than that(that's why I mentioned jack watts - tested elite in all categories for a tall - mouth watering proposition, in theory the next superstar big man, but in the end a very average player especially for the top pick)
Mac's had 2 injury riddled years but the several times ive seen him live in each of the past few years as well as on TV a couple of times doesn't leave me with much confidence that he'll make it - in the words of a famous icon - he's where the ball aint" Looks way off it and not sure he'll bridge the gap - just my opinion - I really hope Im wrong as another 193cm running back would be great.
Griff went through similar injury concerns in his first 2-3 years but I occasionally saw something in him, he'd take a big mark, would stride out or do something to make the opposition look stupid in a moment of brilliance which is why I am sticking by my call that he can and will be a player. Seen Vickery do that occasionally too. Does that mean they'll definitely make it as solid afl footballers? - no, but I see something in them that's the point, in Mac I don't sadly. Again, hope im wrong but unlike some Im prepared to openly make a call on players once I form an opinion on them even if it's early. Its a forum to talk about the tiges and offer our opinions in discussions.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
You are jumping at shadows and taking what im saying out of context. Im not comparing batch and dea to watts.
You mentioned McIntosh has all the tools, and he does seem to physically, but footballers need more than that(that's why I mentioned jack watts - tested elite in all categories for a tall - mouth watering proposition, in theory the next superstar big man, but in the end a very average player especially for the top pick)
Mac's had 2 injury riddled years but the several times ive seen him live in each of the past few years as well as on TV a couple of times doesn't leave me with much confidence that he'll make it - in the words of a famous icon - he's where the ball aint" Looks way off it and not sure he'll bridge the gap - just my opinion - I really hope Im wrong as another 193cm running back would be great.
Griff went through similar injury concerns in his first 2-3 years but I occasionally saw something in him, he'd take a big mark, would stride out or do something to make the opposition look stupid in a moment of brilliance which is why I am sticking by my call that he can and will be a player. Seen Vickery do that occasionally too. Does that mean they'll definitely make it as solid afl footballers? - no, but I see something in them that's the point, in Mac I don't sadly. Again, hope im wrong but unlike some Im prepared to openly make a call on players once I form an opinion on them even if it's early. Its a forum to talk about the tiges and offer our opinions in discussions.
You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
You are jumping at shadows and taking what im saying out of context. Im not comparing batch and dea to watts.
You mentioned McIntosh has all the tools, and he does seem to physically, but footballers need more than that(that's why I mentioned jack watts - tested elite in all categories for a tall - mouth watering proposition, in theory the next superstar big man, but in the end a very average player especially for the top pick)
Mac's had 2 injury riddled years but the several times ive seen him live in each of the past few years as well as on TV a couple of times doesn't leave me with much confidence that he'll make it - in the words of a famous icon - he's where the ball aint" Looks way off it and not sure he'll bridge the gap - just my opinion - I really hope Im wrong as another 193cm running back would be great.
Griff went through similar injury concerns in his first 2-3 years but I occasionally saw something in him, he'd take a big mark, would stride out or do something to make the opposition look stupid in a moment of brilliance which is why I am sticking by my call that he can and will be a player. Seen Vickery do that occasionally too. Does that mean they'll definitely make it as solid afl footballers? - no, but I see something in them that's the point, in Mac I don't sadly. Again, hope im wrong but unlike some Im prepared to openly make a call on players once I form an opinion on them even if it's early. Its a forum to talk about the tiges and offer our opinions in discussions.
I agree👍
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Claw rated Mcintosh pre-draft and he is a WA boy. That's why he's happy to start him on the HBF despite the fact that he hasn't even had a touch at VFL level.
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You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
Bruise free Melbourne wrecked Watts as they did to most of their first round picks. Anyone who saw Watts play as a junior in the lead up to the 2008 draft would've had him going top 2. It was NicNat who was meant to be the riskier option. If Watts had gone to a Hawthorn, Sydney or Geelong, their culture would've set high standards for him from a young age to develop his talents properly and fully understand what it takes to be an elite AFL footballer.
As for Dea - I have never seen what the Club sees in Matty. Just too many deficiencies for AFL level IMO.
McIntosh hasn't showed anything either but he's much younger and has had injuries so there's still time for him to develop.
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FWIW I reckon Watts is just inherently soft, lazy & lacking in desire and Melbourne, whilst probably not helping his cause, has little to do with his failings. They won 8 games & had a draw in each of his 2nd & 3rd seasons, so they haven't been completely awful the whole time he's been on the list and the VFL side, for which he's played many games, has generally been successful.
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Speaking of Melbourne's recruiting, they could fill a whole side with the players they overlooked with all their first rounders. Dusty and Jack being two of them.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-24/they-could-have-been-demons
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MELBOURNE'S ALTERNATIVE DRAFT PICKS
2006
12. James Frawley (Jack Riewoldt at No.13)
30. Ricky Petterd (Kurt Tippett, 32)
46. Colin Garland (Robbie Gray, 55)
62. Isaac Weetra (Tyson Goldsack, 63) 2007
4. Cale Morton (Patrick Dangerfield, 10)
14. Jack Grimes (Callan Ward, 19)
21. Addam Maric (Scott Selwood, 22)
53. Kyle Cheney (Cale Hooker, 54)
66. Tom McNamara
2008
1. Jack Watts (Nic Naitanui, 2)
17. Sam Blease (Luke Shuey, 18)
19. James Strauss (Hayden Ballantyne, 21)
35. Jamie Bennell (Steven Motlop, 39)
51. Neville Jetta (Michael Walters, 53)
64. Rohan Bail
2009
1. Tom Scully (Dustin Martin, 3)
2. Jack Trengove (Ben Cunnington, 5)
11. Jordan Gysberts (Daniel Talia, 13)
18. Luke Tapscott (Nat Fyfe, 20)
34. Max Gawn (Allen Christensen, 40)
50. Jack Fitzpatrick (Taylor Duryea, 69)
2010
12. Lucas Cook (Brodie Smith, 14)
33. Jeremy Howe (Luke Parker, 40)
50. Troy Davis (Paul Puopolo, 66)
53. Tom McDonald
2011
36. Rory Taggert (Jack Newnes, 37)
53. Josh Tynan (Lachie Neale, 58)
54. James Sellar (Cameron Sutcliffe, 71)
2012
4. Jimmy Toumpas (Ollie Wines, 7)
26. Jack Viney
48. Dean Kent 52. Matt Jones
68. Dean Terlich
2013
9. Christian Salem
40. Jay Kennedy-Harris
57. Jayden Hunt (Tom Langdon, 65)
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DEMONS - MELBOURNE'S ALTERNATIVE BEST 22
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MELBOURNE'S ALTERNATIVE DRAFT PICKS
2006
12. James Frawley (Jack Riewoldt at No.13)
30. Ricky Petterd (Kurt Tippett, 32)
46. Colin Garland (Robbie Gray, 55)
62. Isaac Weetra (Tyson Goldsack, 63) 2007
4. Cale Morton (Patrick Dangerfield, 10)
14. Jack Grimes (Callan Ward, 19)
21. Addam Maric (Scott Selwood, 22)
53. Kyle Cheney (Cale Hooker, 54)
66. Tom McNamara
2008
1. Jack Watts (Nic Naitanui, 2)
17. Sam Blease (Luke Shuey, 18)
19. James Strauss (Hayden Ballantyne, 21)
35. Jamie Bennell (Steven Motlop, 39)
51. Neville Jetta (Michael Walters, 53)
64. Rohan Bail
2009
1. Tom Scully (Dustin Martin, 3)
2. Jack Trengove (Ben Cunnington, 5)
11. Jordan Gysberts (Daniel Talia, 13)
18. Luke Tapscott (Nat Fyfe, 20)
34. Max Gawn (Allen Christensen, 40)
50. Jack Fitzpatrick (Taylor Duryea, 69)
2010
12. Lucas Cook (Brodie Smith, 14)
33. Jeremy Howe (Luke Parker, 40)
50. Troy Davis (Paul Puopolo, 66)
53. Tom McDonald
2011
36. Rory Taggert (Jack Newnes, 37)
53. Josh Tynan (Lachie Neale, 58)
54. James Sellar (Cameron Sutcliffe, 71)
2012
4. Jimmy Toumpas (Ollie Wines, 7)
26. Jack Viney
48. Dean Kent 52. Matt Jones
68. Dean Terlich
2013
9. Christian Salem
40. Jay Kennedy-Harris
57. Jayden Hunt (Tom Langdon, 65)
THEY COULD HAVE BEEN DEMONS - MELBOURNE'S ALTERNATIVE BEST 22
That's terrible most of those players picked are now gone