Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn

[the claw]

Gwilt is a pooty

iyo.  vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.has had knee issues which have held him back in recent yrs.
offers run of hb is versatile plays on both smalls and talls and is accountable. he would be an immediate upgrade on players we have and he would have cost nothing.
if gwilt is pooty you must hate our players.

[bojangles17]

  year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt

[the claw]

I agree with you Albert on some points but its not the fact we lost its how we lost in that final. I was there and witnessed it but did i get upset or let it bother me. Negative. It was nothing like the previous year where i was mighty peeed off. i have lost interest in footy this year and im tipping as each year passes il lose more. Its not the same and its run like a bordello.

The trade period has been disappointing, but not because we didn't get trengrove or frawley. They tried with jack and im content the medical staff finally got something right. Roos that shark and the dees tried to shaft us whether WP likes to admit it or not.

IMO we failed because we didn't attempt to upgrade our picks by throwing up grigg and conca.  Im sure im alone on this also but i really thought we could have had a crack at garlett with a late pick. He has runs on the board and has one bad year along with many of his other teammates at visy park. We need a small forward desperately and by not attempting to deal with the blues means we are still not confident in recruiting these types because our culture is still poor, and we are afraid they will run off. i would back garlett over a FJ special at pick 60 any day of the week.

As for you luigi not sure what your on about to be honest. No one cared we gave away our second rounder its who we gave it up for. There is a big difference.

Your comments have proven to be incorrect about not having player currency. Exhibit A Harry Labamba, Exhibit B Stanley

Difference between La'bumyamumma  and Stanly is someone wanted them!!
It was touted earlier this year Geelong were also keen on Vickery and Griff, clearly the club thought they were worth a little more than pick 21 and I must say at this point I agree. Again it's a case of people either completely overrating our players or completely underrating! Maybe we should have hung onto McGuane for one more year, Geelong would have been all over us with pick 21
As for no one caring that we gave up our second rounder last year? I'll let you read through the 32 pages of the Hampson thread and you can make your own mind up as to how many people we're stoked with that decision 

the stanley and jones trades.
like players we have both show promise have decent games now and then but are totally devoid of any sort of consistency. the gap between their best and worst is just too large.
unlike us stkilda and wb have said they have had long enough no more hoping they will come good  lets salvage something from the wreck and go again.  us well we continue to hang on in hope.

all round stanley has probably  been better than griffiths and vickery  and the saints are prepared to trade him.

[Phil Mrakov]

Gwilt is a pooty

iyo.  vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.has had knee issues which have held him back in recent yrs.
offers run of hb is versatile plays on both smalls and talls and is accountable. he would be an immediate upgrade on players we have and he would have cost nothing.
if gwilt is pooty you must hate our players.

would throw Chris Knight on a Hbf, would offer surgeon type precision with his disposal, hardness and laser vision hand balling skills, 

[the claw]

year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt

not worth going into jingle jangles. im very happy with what ive said about tom lee and your continual trolling me on the subject wont change that.  id do a tom lee type pick every rookie draft if possible.

 what would be nice is  if just once you could add something meaningful to a debate. but hey when all you can do is troll a poster on the same thing over and over you have nothing meaningful to add..

[Phil Mrakov]

year right and tom lee is superior to Jack riewoldt

not worth going into jingle jangles. im very happy with what ive said about tom lee and your continual trolling me on the subject wont change that.  id do a tom lee type pick every rookie draft if possible.

 what would be nice is  if just once you could add something meaningful to a debate. but hey when all you can do is troll a poster on the same thing over and over you have nothing meaningful to add..

[Judge Roughneck]

Would take gwilt over chapy

IMO he has more of a dig. Doesn't matter he's under size given our young talls

[bojangles17]

Would take gwilt over chapy

IMO he has more of a dig. Doesn't matter he's under size given our young talls

  and I'd take Clint jones over dustin Martin 

[the claw]

id take clint jones as a run with player over grigg every day of the week.
in fact in that role hes been better than any player we have had in yrs.

[the claw]

just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..

b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.

c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles

hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean

int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.

[Go Richo 12]

Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh,  Garlett?

[Yeahright]

Gwilt is a pooty

iyo.  vastly superior player to date than blokes like newman, dea, batchelor and even houli.

Yes (now that he's a spud), yes, yes and debatable. Too different of a type to Houli to compare IMO

[the claw]

Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh,  Garlett?

its a 22 those on the bench bar the sub spend just as much time as those who start on the ground.so is there really a difference. if your so offended just imagine cotchin is starting and one of the other mids is on the bench.
 theres a thing called rotations and most mids would spend about 80 90  minutes on the ground, even those who start the game on the bench.
gwilt mcintosh are defenders and have set roles, garlett is a sml fwd and has a set role or primary function. i know lets play cotch in a back pocket and start gwilt on the bench.

what does amuse is the harping on sml points like cotchin not  named on the ground rather than what has been said. seems some of you will do anything to avoid discussing what is being said.

what is being said is we could easily have improved our list built depth and actually had  5 nd picks of which two would be inside the top 20.

[Willy]

just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..

b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.

c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles

hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean

int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.

 

Sorry Claw, that's a dead set p'er

[Go Richo 12]

Cotch can't make it on the ground in front of pick 12, Gwilt, McIntosh,  Garlett?

its a 22 those on the bench bar the sub spend just as much time as those who start on the ground.so is there really a difference. if your so offended just imagine cotchin is starting and one of the other mids is on the bench.
 theres a thing called rotations and most mids would spend about 80 90  minutes on the ground, even those who start the game on the bench.
gwilt mcintosh are defenders and have set roles, garlett is a sml fwd and has a set role or primary function. i know lets play cotch in a back pocket and start gwilt on the bench.

what does amuse is the harping on sml points like cotchin not  named on the ground rather than what has been said. seems some of you will do anything to avoid discussing what is being said.

what is being said is we could easily have improved our list built depth and actually had  5 nd picks of which two would be inside the top 20.

First, I am not offended by Cotchin being named on the bench.
Second, I am not harping, it was a one line response to your proposed team.
Third, starting your captain on the bench whilst rejects and an unknown draft pick start on the ground is no small point.
Lastly, I am not avoiding the discussion. I have actually prompted it by disagreeing with you.
Cotchin is in our best 18, wins contested possessions and deserves to start on the ground when it matters most. At the beginning.