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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #120 on: October 20, 2014, 07:08:07 PM »
just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..

b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.

c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles

hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean

int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin

But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?

Its not the special Olympics

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #121 on: October 20, 2014, 07:20:05 PM »
just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..

b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.

c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles

hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean

int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin

But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?

Its not the special Olympics

 :lol :lol eff me, I just swallowed a whole chop LMAO!!

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #122 on: October 20, 2014, 07:36:38 PM »
 :lol  :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #123 on: October 20, 2014, 08:08:26 PM »
:lol  :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys

Apart from Rance

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #124 on: October 20, 2014, 08:17:18 PM »
:lol  :lol
I also find it funny how Claw rates McIntosh's potential over the other Mc's from his draft despite McIntosh's being below the standard. Must be because he's a WA boy, Claw loves his WA boys

Apart from Rance
I think he has a secret crush on Rance. Just plays it down by not rating him, the sly little bugger!
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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #125 on: October 20, 2014, 08:34:45 PM »
just a few sliding door moments and a bit of wishful thinking..

b/ morris - frawley - rance
hb/ gwilt - astbury - mcintosh if he develops.

c/ ellis - martin - pick 12
r/ maric - hallahan - miles

hf/ deledio - griffiths - lennon.
ff/ garlett - riewoldt - mcbean

int/ cotchin - vlastuin - foley - pick 15 thru 20 we may have got for vickery, conca, houli, grigg, etc.
. I like no Chaplin

But morris McIntosh gwilt frawley in the same back line?

Its not the special Olympics
you really need to get a clue judgey.

frawley for chaplin. ive never ever heard a bloke whine about a player as much as you do about chaplin. so im not sure what your complaining about here.
 
gwilt for batchelor/dea there is no comparisons but when you have no idea you have no idea. gwilt to date has massively outperformed both and played some pretty decent footy at afl level.you cant say that about our hacks.

mcintosh for newman. but wait a kid whos had two yrs of injury has no upside and needs to be written off. of course hes picked on potential. i think he has more upside than dea and batchelor.but hey lets just write em off after a few yrs. thats something you wont see me do.

as for yeahnah its right. it would be funny if it wasnt soi sad to see abloke with so few clues.

mcdonough is a fwd and garlett is ten times the player mcdonough has been to date.you arent telling me garlett is not an upgrade on mcdonough. you know when looking at players you should look at like for likes.

mcbean not sure how he comes into it. i picked him as a tall fwd if you havent noticed. i compare him to griffiths and vickery which is appropriate id say.

nope i think you and your nuffie mates are the ones who need to get a clue  no stuffing idea.

you blokes make me laugh with this geez our players are great and everyone elses is poo.talk about blind and deluded.

astbury for grimes

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #126 on: October 20, 2014, 10:37:14 PM »
Chaplin is a superstar ask bo  :shh
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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #127 on: October 20, 2014, 10:50:28 PM »
You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.


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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #128 on: October 21, 2014, 09:48:10 PM »
You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.

which is the better backline.

morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol.  gwilt is a far better player than  dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.

im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2014, 07:48:08 PM »
You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.

which is the better backline.

morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol.  gwilt is a far better player than  dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.

im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either  :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long  :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't  want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #130 on: October 22, 2014, 08:21:55 PM »
Must admit I was surprised McIntosh got another year, looks decidedly ordinary to me. Still, no more ordinary than Newman's consistently been since about halfway through 2012.
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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #131 on: October 22, 2014, 10:10:22 PM »
What are some good qualitys about mcintosh apart from his height and tank (whch is good without being outstanding imo)?

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2014, 04:07:29 AM »
He's a good older brother

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2014, 11:21:31 AM »
What are some good qualitys about mcintosh apart from his height and tank (whch is good without being outstanding imo)?

Looks way off the pace

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Re: Carlton, Collingwood and Hawthorn
« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2014, 04:50:15 PM »
You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.

which is the better backline.

morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol.  gwilt is a far better player than  dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.

im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either  :lol but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long  :thumbsup
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't  want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
 i think hes a better propisition in many ways.  im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size  running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.

mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
 hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i  i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.

its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential,  yet  rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.

dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.

oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.

heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.