You've have a cry about not rating Chaplin. And then gone and left him out of your fantasy 22. Replaced by gwilt. McIntosh. Frawley. Just to finipoohink peoples trust is misplaced.
im sorry judge but i have to ask. are you aged ten. thats about as much sense as you make.
which is the better backline.
morris - frawley - rance. frawley actually gives us a very good key back better player than chaplin and he can be relied upon to actually play one v one.
gwilt - astbury - mcintosh. yes mcintosh is a development player i think we need to play him if he is fit.he may fail but we need to find out. now where have i heard that before lol. gwilt is a far better player than dea batchelor, newman, and has actually proven it.then theres houli a different type altogether who even you acknowledge is too pee poor soft.in fact you could play gwilt in grimes role because hes a versatile backman.
or
morris - rance - grimes
houli/newman - astbury - batchelor/dea
some simple sliding door moments that cost nothing in picks and we could have improved so many areas but failed to do so.
im sorry judgy but you do need to get a clueyou have nfi.
I think Judge has NFI either 
but you contradict yourself.
On one hand you say play McIyntosh but he has done nothing even in the twos. You don't just play a bloke to see if he will make it. He has to show he can play at VFL level first. If you compare him to Batch, Houli or Even Dea they have all shown more at both levels.
As you compare an aging Gwilt who was delisted by the worst team in the comp against players who are just starting to get their chance at a AFL level. Of course a player of 10 years is going to have a better record than a player of 4 or 5. Gwilt is finished mate and if you think bringing him into our side would have been a good thing than you have been in the WA sun to long 
Also that half back line you mention is horrible IMO. Gwilt is past his best by a long way, Astbury is a robot that gets injured every second week, I wouldn't want to be planning anything around this guy and McIntosh is possible the worst player on our list. Another FJ gem.
look i agree mcintosh has to earn his spot.
i think hes a better propisition in many ways. im talking about attributes to play the game. you know pace, agility, kicking skills, decision making size running capacity .. if fit i think he will deserve to get games. hes better equipped in these areas than both dea and batchelor. if fit all yr and he stays wheres hes at then i may well jump on your band wagon. but ffs hes had two injury interrupted seasons is it really a surprise hes struggled.
mate gwilt has achieved more than dea batchelor and newman .hes been a decent player for a long time and played important roles when stkilda were not a struggling team.again he has far better attributes always has than our boys.
he actually has got to a decent level the hacks you talk of are to date nowhere near him and may never get there. lets face it what dea and batchelor have dished up at afl level to date is worse than mediocre.after 5 yrs even you must have grave concerns.
hes did his knee in 2011 then had issues with it in 2013 which restricted him to 13 games and delayed his preseason for this yr. i i reckon he was showing signs of getting back to somewhere near his best by seasons end
. im not sure what playing in a poor team has to do with it. jack trengove played in a lousy team yet many thought it was good enough to go after him.
its funny you back in 5yr players who have not done a thing based on potential, yet rip into others because they do the same thing, mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons and hes crucified.
what amazes me with many here is the labelling of opposition players as hacks duds etc but our own players who are much worse are afforded leniency.
dont talk to me about contradictions. your full of em yourself.
oh just to finish there is just two options to playing astbury in a key post, chaplin who is terrible one v one and grimes who to date cant hold a candle to what james gwilt has achieved.
at least astbury has shown an ability to stop his direct opponent from impacting games.
heres a few stats for ya. and of course i will get your only looking at stats. well that is wrong i look at batchelor and dea andthink stuff me they are invisible most of the time and the stats back it up.
no bugger it look em up for yourself and tell me they acceptable. they are deplorable. ffs 5 yrs and counting waiting for an acceptable game.
Jack Watts also has all the attributes. Sometimes players that seem to have all the attributes lack the intangibles called football nous and heart. When you watch a young player play sometimes it takes one or 2 moments to make you nod and think, yep with some confidence, development and hard work he has some tools to work with. I've seen it with Griff, Ive seen it with Vickery from early on - have seen nothing from Mac so far - absolutely nothing. Hope he makes it, but he is so far off its not even funny - what is funny is that you still put him in your preferred lineups
jack watts like batchelor and dea has had 5yrs no 6 yrs and mcintosh has had two injury riddled seasons.
id say watts deserves all the criticisms that comes his way. who knows he may make it but id say the only thing that has saved him at melbourne is the fact hes a #1 pick.
#1 pick aside and all the criticisms about him being soft watts has shown a shedload more than dea and batchelor at afl level.thats a plain simple fact. and lack of heart ffs vickery and griff have been just as poor when it comes to a bit of ticker. its what has held all three back.
ffs if you think griif and vickery have heart you have nfi. but hey bag the melbourne for it but make excuses for ours.soft as butter both mentally and physically sums the both of em up to date. sheesh and i thought you had some sort of decent idea.
the difference here is im saying hey we have a bloke whos had just 2 yrs he has copped his fair share of injury in those two yrs and has never ever really got going, judge him when he gets a free run at it.
yet you lot defend the most appalling performances at afl level by bloke swho have had 5 and 6 yrs in the system.i know who the clock should be ticking for.
You are jumping at shadows and taking what im saying out of context. Im not comparing batch and dea to watts.
You mentioned McIntosh has all the tools, and he does seem to physically, but footballers need more than that(that's why I mentioned jack watts - tested elite in all categories for a tall - mouth watering proposition, in theory the next superstar big man, but in the end a very average player especially for the top pick)
Mac's had 2 injury riddled years but the several times ive seen him live in each of the past few years as well as on TV a couple of times doesn't leave me with much confidence that he'll make it - in the words of a famous icon - he's where the ball aint" Looks way off it and not sure he'll bridge the gap - just my opinion - I really hope Im wrong as another 193cm running back would be great.
Griff went through similar injury concerns in his first 2-3 years but I occasionally saw something in him, he'd take a big mark, would stride out or do something to make the opposition look stupid in a moment of brilliance which is why I am sticking by my call that he can and will be a player. Seen Vickery do that occasionally too. Does that mean they'll definitely make it as solid afl footballers? - no, but I see something in them that's the point, in Mac I don't sadly. Again, hope im wrong but unlike some Im prepared to openly make a call on players once I form an opinion on them even if it's early. Its a forum to talk about the tiges and offer our opinions in discussions.
