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Recruitment Zone: Panel show ep:2
Bingle presents: General Manager of football, Dan Richardson, talks to Nathan Brown about what happened with the Jack Trengove trade.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-10-15/recruitment-zone-panel-show-ep2
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Summary
* I wouldn't say we've been quiet. The recruiting team is certainly still working really hard. Sometimes in trade week, I guess you don’t get the results that you work hard to achieve. I guess the Jack Trengove situation is a good example of that.
* Blair Hartley had had some discussions with Melbourne over the course of the year about Jack's situation. We got a call from Melbourne midway through the trade period about Jack and followed those discussions through. As any club does, you've got to do you due diligence from a medical perspective. Unfortunately for us, and probably more unfortunate for Jack, it became apparent from that that he was going to have some ongoing problems with his foot. As has been reported, I don't think it's major as has been reported. I think he has a great chance of overcoming it and he's a great character. I'm sure he'll work hard and get through it, but just from the point of view of the club giving up a first round draft pick to bring a player to your club, the risk was just a bit too high to take to be honest.
* Great credit should go to our Doc, who was very thorough, and Blair and our recruiting team. To think through those things really thoroughly. Doc, in particularly, and the people involved there have done a really good job for us on one hand and discovered something Jack would've perhaps found out ultimately but brought all that to a head.
* Winderlich non-deal ...... Jason and his manager approached us before the trade period started. As happens in this situation, once that sort of gains momentum and Essendon because aware of that, they had discussions with Jason, who was obviously their player, and obviously he made a decision to either retire or stay at Essendon rather than continue at another club. We respect that; it's fair enough. I'm all for players, if possible and it's changing in the current environment, to be one club players and that's what he decided to do.
* Blair and the recruiting team are still working hard but given the timing now, not a long time remaining, it's unlikely we'll do a trade. Which is fine. While it would’ve been great to bring in Jack, who fitted our strategy of bringing in a midfielder and increasing our depth there, but still retaining our draft picks would've been a great strategy for us. Given that’s fallen over, we’re happy as we’ve said all along to retain our draft picks and invest heavily in this year’s Draft.
* Re-signings - It’s pleasing because there’s obviously a few clubs having those issues with players. Touchwood, all our players seem to be happy and seem to want to be here and hopefully want to be part of the success that we’re building towards. That’s a great sign of confidence in what we’re doing as a club.
- Batch, has been offered a two year deal, his form in the later half of the year was reflective and well deserved from that end.
The other guys are still genuinely young:
- Dea has had some injury troubles and played some games this year but we still have some confidence that he can continue to develop.
- McDonough goes into his third year and showed some positive signs over the course of the year. Played across half-back but then up forward later in the year.
All those guys, including Matty Thomas and Petterd, will be going around for us another year. Both played a lot of AFL footy this year and we'd expect the same next year.
* Pick 12? Normally with your first round pick you go best available. At that pick we see most of the players we've got our eye on being midfield types. So on that basis, we'll satisfy that need as well. Yeah, we're excited by that pick, even though we did consider trading it and moving back out in the draft for the Trengove deal, we certainly excited by the type of player that not only we'll be able to get at pick 12 but in the later picks as well.
* 10 days for the trade period is about right. It's shortened from last year. You wouldn't want it to go any longer but you still need enough time when you talk about things like medicals that can take 3-4 days to see through it throughly then you don't want to be rushing it.
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Richmond to target draft after search for experienced midfielder goes unanswered
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
October 16, 2014
RICHMOND says its inability to complete a single trade period deal is a sign of player swaps that didn’t come off rather than an indication of complacency from coach Damien Hardwick.
The Tigers will head to November’s national draft with five picks, determined to stock up with kids after several seasons that have seen a Moneyball approach.
As they signed up a batch of young players yesterday, Richmond footy boss Dan Richardson said the club was determined to make the most of an uncompromised draft.
The Tigers went within a medical scan of securing Melbourne’s Jack Trengove but that was aborted when his navicular bone showed signs of further damage.
“We haven’t invested heavily in the draft for a number of years, we have been active in trading in the last five or six years and we felt once the time came that the draft was no longer compromised and had good depth we wanted to invest in it,’’ he said.
“So while it looks like we haven’t got any results (from the trade period) and we are measured on what happens it isn’t to say we are content and happy and happy with the second half of the year.
“The strategy of getting players from other clubs has worked but equally great clubs by and large build through the draft and that needs to be our strategy.”
The Tigers yesterday signed Jake Batchelor for two years and Matt Dea, Matt McDonough, Todd Elton and Ricky Petterd on one-year deals, with Matt Thomas given another rookie contract.
Richmond could hold over one national draft pick for the pre-season draft and will upgrade Anthony Miles to create three rookie-list spots.
Trengove’s recruitment could have disastrous given his foot issues, with Richmond happy its due diligence turned up the lingering issues.
“If the opportunity to fast-track getting a gun midfielder came up we said we would look at it so it’s disappointing it didn’t go through but it’s not as disappointing for us as it is for Jack.”
The Tigers have signed Ben Rutten as an assistant and appointed ex-Melbourne player Ryan Ferguson as a part-time VFL coach.
They will in coming weeks announce a new leadership program which they believe will fast-track their development into a top-four side.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-to-target-draft-after-search-for-experienced-midfielder-goes-unanswered/story-fnelctok-1227091675846
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Looks like at least one pre-season rookie elevation is already decided. Seriously, barring injuries, if Thomarse & Petterd play a lot of AFL next year we haven't improved and we're well and truly stuffed.
The club is still as stuffing delusional as ever about the state of our list....
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Looks like at least one pre-season rookie elevation is already decided.
Yep reckon it's a 99.5% guaranteed
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" we got a call from melbourne mid way through the trade period and decided to go from there"
In a nutshell we realized his foot was stuffed when he was having issues after running and tried to bend the RFC over.
Im happy the club went out had a crack and found his foot was stuffed. Nothing wrong with a fit trengrove and was worth a shot if you ask me.
Issue is to put grigg, vickery and co off limits when spuds like stanley get offloaded for pick 21 is a disgrace.
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Looks like at least one pre-season rookie elevation is already decided. Seriously, barring injuries, if Thomarse & Petterd play a lot of AFL next year we haven't improved and we're well and truly stuffed.
The club is still as stuffing delusional as ever about the state of our list....
locked and loaded and cherry ripe. gunna be great to see what guns that doyen of recruiting francis jackson brings into the club thru the nd.
5 rookie spots whats the bet at least 3 or 4 are mature retreads. you can read em like a book.
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A lot of eggs in the Trengove basket it seems.
Questions need to be asked why we haven't been more aggressive with our 'war chest' to target another quality midfielder to come to us.
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Richmond to target draft after search for experienced midfielder goes unanswered
Jon Ralph
Herald-Sun
October 16, 2014
RICHMOND says its inability to complete a single trade period deal is a sign of player swaps that didn’t come off rather than an indication of complacency from coach Damien Hardwick.
The Tigers will head to November’s national draft with five picks, determined to stock up with kids after several seasons that have seen a Moneyball approach.
As they signed up a batch of young players yesterday, Richmond footy boss Dan Richardson said the club was determined to make the most of an uncompromised draft.
The Tigers went within a medical scan of securing Melbourne’s Jack Trengove but that was aborted when his navicular bone showed signs of further damage.
“We haven’t invested heavily in the draft for a number of years, we have been active in trading in the last five or six years and we felt once the time came that the draft was no longer compromised and had good depth we wanted to invest in it,’’ he said.
“So while it looks like we haven’t got any results (from the trade period) and we are measured on what happens it isn’t to say we are content and happy and happy with the second half of the year.
“The strategy of getting players from other clubs has worked but equally great clubs by and large build through the draft and that needs to be our strategy.”
The Tigers yesterday signed Jake Batchelor for two years and Matt Dea, Matt McDonough, Todd Elton and Ricky Petterd on one-year deals, with Matt Thomas given another rookie contract.
Richmond could hold over one national draft pick for the pre-season draft and will upgrade Anthony Miles to create three rookie-list spots.
Trengove’s recruitment could have disastrous given his foot issues, with Richmond happy its due diligence turned up the lingering issues.
“If the opportunity to fast-track getting a gun midfielder came up we said we would look at it so it’s disappointing it didn’t go through but it’s not as disappointing for us as it is for Jack.”
The Tigers have signed Ben Rutten as an assistant and appointed ex-Melbourne player Ryan Ferguson as a part-time VFL coach.
They will in coming weeks announce a new leadership program which they believe will fast-track their development into a top-four side.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-to-target-draft-after-search-for-experienced-midfielder-goes-unanswered/story-fnelctok-1227091675846
It doesn't look like it but unfortunately it is it. 2 years of trading has only resulted in Shaun Hampson coming to the club for a 2nd round pick. Not good enough.
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guys relax 8) next year is the year of the doozy - why wait for small fry hacks like Greenwood, Halahan, Jaksch etc when we can go for the 1 in a million shot next year. Its Dangerfield/Cameron or bust baby
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Congrats to footscray, saints, Brisbane etc. For having productive list building period :gotigers
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Issue is to put grigg, vickery and co off limits when spuds like stanley get offloaded for pick 21 is a disgrace.
Bookmark it
I agree with you Angus :thumbsup
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The club literally has NO IDEA what it is doing
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A really really , like really hard pre-season will lead to natural improvement - no other club will be training harder than us. Yep we're going to train a work ethic into Grigg and turn him into a two way running, tackling machine with pinpoint kicking into the 50 , we're going to train pack crashing, hard chasing desire into Vickery, pace & skill into Thomas, pace & accountability into Newman, courage over the ball into Ellis, composure & good decision making into Houli, footy smarts & discipline into Morris, skill & discipline into Conca, good field kicking and a left foot into Edwards....whoa look out 2015!
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A really really , like really hard pre-season will lead to natural improvement - no other club will be training harder than us. Yep we're going to train a work ethic into Grigg and turn him into a two way running, tackling machine with pinpoint kicking into the 50 , we're going to train pack crashing, hard chasing desire into Vickery, pace & skill into Thomas, pace & accountability into Newman, courage over the ball into Ellis, composure & good decision making into Houli, footy smarts & discipline into Morris, good field kicking and a left foot into Edwards....whoa look out 2015!
Locked and loaded😉
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A really really , like really hard pre-season will lead to natural improvement - no other club will be training harder than us. Yep we're going to train a work ethic into Grigg and turn him into a two way running, tackling machine with pinpoint kicking into the 50 , we're going to train pack crashing, hard chasing desire into Vickery, pace & skill into Thomas, pace & accountability into Newman, courage over the ball into Ellis, composure & good decision making into Houli, footy smarts & discipline into Morris, good field kicking and a left foot into Edwards....whoa look out 2015!
Locked and loaded😉
Cherry ripe
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Recruitment Zone: Panel show ep:2
Bingle presents: General Manager of football, Dan Richardson, talks to Nathan Brown about what happened with the Jack Trengove trade.
VIDEO: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/video/2014-10-15/recruitment-zone-panel-show-ep2
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Summary
* I wouldn't say we've been quiet.
Really?? Credibility shot in the first line. What an idiot.
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Congrats to footscray, saints, Brisbane etc. For having productive list building period :gotigers
What did footscray get we haven't got, oooh wait is tiom Boyd a 2 x coleman medalist oooh my . When you fail to make finals year after year, desperate times call for desperate measures. The RFC are more than happy for Fj to mine a couple of gems from the first uncompromised draft in years :shh
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Congrats to footscray, saints, Brisbane etc. For having productive list building period :gotigers
What did footscray get we haven't got, oooh wait is tiom Boyd a 2 x coleman medalist oooh my . When you fail to make finals year after year, desperate times call for desperate measures. The RFC are more than happy for Fj to mine a couple of gems from the first uncompromised draft in years :shh
So how many of these "gems" will be ready to make an impact next year?
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Wait and see, vlas, ellis, conca and martin have gone alright. Lennon didn't get the chances coz spots in the RFC senior team don't grow on trees these days, :shh
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Richmond retains first round pick
richmondfc.com.au
October 16, 2014
Richmond has held onto its first round pick for November’s National Draft, after the AFL’s trade period ended at 2pm today.
The Tigers will have selections 12, 33, 52, 70 and 88 in the Draft.
With pre-determined father-son and academy players removed, the Tigers’ ‘exact’ picks are 11, 30, 46, 62 and 79.
The Club stayed true to its strategy coming into the player movement period, by attempting to improve its list where possible, but maintaining a strong position ahead of the National Draft.
Richmond’s recruiting team will spend the next month finalising its plans for the Draft, which will be held on November 27 on the Gold Coast.
Full article at: http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-10-16/richmond-retains-first-round-pick
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with fjs recordd we can all look fwd to a solid safe pick at 12 probably lacking in at least one key area but a real good citizen, after that it will be list clogger central or mature chumps like like lloyd and gordon at 31 and 47. oh lordy give me strength.
how can a club heal itself if it refuses to cut out the cancers ravaging its carcass. hartley fj richardson possibly hardwick the fitness dept all amateurs. someone somewhere needs to sat hey its not good enough we need to be so much better that direction has to come from the board and they sit back and back in those who are the problem.
ffs didnt dan richardson do the club review. apologies if im wrong. its like the police investigating the police.
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with fjs recordd we can all look fwd to a solid safe pick at 12 probably lacking in at least one key area but a real good citizen, after that it will be list clogger central or mature chumps like like lloyd and gordon at 31 and 47. oh lordy give me strength.
how can a club heal itself if it refuses to cut out the cancers ravaging its carcass. hartley fj richardson possibly hardwick the fitness dept all amateurs. someone somewhere needs to sat hey its not good enough we need to be so much better that direction has to come from the board and they sit back and back in those who are the problem.
ffs didnt dan richardson do the club review. apologies if im wrong. its like the police investigating the police.
forget it claw. the apologists and the acceptors of failure are well entrenched in the club and the support base. these people could recruit Donald Duck and theyd come out and say he is a potential champion footballer. Richmond will never be successful ever with the current regime.
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The Tigers will have selections 12, 33, 52, 70 and 88 in the Draft.
With pre-determined father-son and academy players removed, the Tigers’ ‘exact’ picks are 11, 30, 46, 62 and 79.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2014-10-16/richmond-retains-first-round-pick
Just to clarify - the first 4 picks of ours will be 'live' picks whereas pick 88 will be used for Miles' elevation to our senior list.
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with fjs recordd we can all look fwd to a solid safe pick at 12 probably lacking in at least one key area but a real good citizen, after that it will be list clogger central or mature chumps like like lloyd and gordon at 31 and 47. oh lordy give me strength.
how can a club heal itself if it refuses to cut out the cancers ravaging its carcass. hartley fj richardson possibly hardwick the fitness dept all amateurs. someone somewhere needs to sat hey its not good enough we need to be so much better that direction has to come from the board and they sit back and back in those who are the problem.
ffs didnt dan richardson do the club review. apologies if im wrong. its like the police investigating the police.
forget it claw. the apologists and the acceptors of failure are well entrenched in the club and the support base. these people could recruit Donald Duck and theyd come out and say he is a potential champion footballer. Richmond will never be successful ever with the current regime.
do you really believe it would make you happier if every one was an old misery guts like yourself? Is that why you just post the same whiney "my dog died" crap over and over and over again, trying to wear everyone down to your own level of misery?
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with fjs recordd we can all look fwd to a solid safe pick at 12 probably lacking in at least one key area but a real good citizen, after that it will be list clogger central or mature chumps like like lloyd and gordon at 31 and 47. oh lordy give me strength.
how can a club heal itself if it refuses to cut out the cancers ravaging its carcass. hartley fj richardson possibly hardwick the fitness dept all amateurs. someone somewhere needs to sat hey its not good enough we need to be so much better that direction has to come from the board and they sit back and back in those who are the problem.
ffs didnt dan richardson do the club review. apologies if im wrong. its like the police investigating the police.
forget it claw. the apologists and the acceptors of failure are well entrenched in the club and the support base. these people could recruit Donald Duck and theyd come out and say he is a potential champion footballer. Richmond will never be successful ever with the current regime.
do you really believe it would make you happier if every one was an old misery guts like yourself? Is that why you just post the same whiney "my dog died" crap over and over and over again, trying to wear everyone down to your own level of misery?
who you talking about Alfred - me or claw? coz if your talking about me I don't give a stuff. I just call it how I see it. the apologists are happy with 34 years of failure and excuses. I am not. That's all there is to this debate.
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Personally I wanted 3 kids in the ND. 4 is fine too but the last two picks are junk usually after 50. Maybe 62 will be a recycled player. I hope the first 3 arent though.
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I think Geelongs model of 8 years ago still stands recruit and develop, weve gone another way build from elsewhere like Sydney but Im happy to not take Hampsonesque shortcuts.
We dodged a bullet this trade period unlike last year where we copped it in the guts. This draf5 should show what FJ is made of, which I suspec5 is jelly, but its still the right way to go.
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yeah nothing wrong with going to the draft, just a bit disappointing that we couldn't upgrade some picks. Anyhow, lets see how we go, hopefully we find 2-3 keepers
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who you talking about Alfred - me or claw? coz if your talking about me I don't give a stuff. I just call it how I see it. the apologists are happy with 34 years of failure and excuses. I am not. That's all there is to this debate.
I don't think anyone is happy with the past 34 years but not everyone's such a sook about it
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that pretty much sums it up.
if you dont give a stuff ramps, why do you feel such a need to belittle anyone that doesnt display the same level of dark misery as you?
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34 years is a long time. Everyone has different ways of coping.
Anyways, ELE (everybody love everybody)
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34 years is a long time. Everyone has different ways of coping.
Anyways, ELE (everybody love everybody)
:bow In the anals of history people are going to be talking about three things: the discovery of fire, invention of the submarine, and Richmond's 11th premiership
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"Anals of History"? Sounds like some kind of porn compilation.
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"Anals of History"? Sounds like some kind of porn compilation.
I'm certain I've seen that one Dio it is an actual movie. It's like the movie jumper except he (sir lancelot I think) goes back in time, yeah? Also stars Pyramid Petra, Medieval Martha and Gaia the Greek
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that pretty much sums it up.
if you dont give a stuff ramps, why do you feel such a need to belittle anyone that doesnt display the same level of dark misery as you?
the problem is people like you take everything seriously on this forum when 95% is a pisstake. its just a forum alf, second I didn't belittle you, I asked a simple question. That's all.
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he s a gun is richo, plays on em on a break. :clapping we re lucky to have him :shh
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Get off the cooking sherry Bojo. :shh
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that pretty much sums it up.
if you dont give a stuff ramps, why do you feel such a need to belittle anyone that doesnt display the same level of dark misery as you?
the problem is people like you take everything seriously on this forum when 95% is a peetake. its just a forum alf, second I didn't belittle you, I asked a simple question. That's all.
I think your low balling the 95% Rampanator
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he s a gun is richo, plays on em on a break. :clapping we re lucky to have him :shh
For fukz sake :banghead
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:lol
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After Trade Week l am sure the recruiting staff & a few others at Tigerland are delusional if they even consider this list taking them higher into the 8 next season. There was plenty of quality up for trade & we have players who needed to be traded yet again we do nothing. Is this a result from the failure of the past few seasons apart from Miles. Tigerland needs to get tough & make some decisions on players who just aint going to improve or have one good season out of 9. The failure of forwards in big games not standing up like Rewoldt need to be replaced & Rewoldt moved down field. They need to start loading pressure on players like Vickery & Griffiths in the key forward positions. They desperately need a new young ruckman to take pressure off Maric & they need 2 strong body players to win the ball & block in the midfield. Newman, Edwards, Foley should have been moved on. l reckon clubs who done the right thing are the Bulldogs who got value from a ageing Griffen @ 29 & Cooney who gave them absolutely nothing since winning the Brownlow & won't give the Bombers anything. The Bulldogs off loaded players who were on big money & giving no reward & l feel Richmond will fall into this trap. Collingwood again made progress & if they rise above us next year l'm going to crack. 2 picks before our pick 12 & they got new quality players. The only players they lost were players who were lost themselves. 1 a fool & the other who must return home. If Richmond don't pull some gold out of the draft & the PSD then we will suffer. l just pray :pray they make some changes next season cause we need some new quality.
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I'll be content with this trade period IF we do what we should of done this year...PLAY THE KIDS! We have some young players (not really from the last draft ::)) from the last couple of years and the ones we SHOULD be getting this draft period who given a go could make our list better in the long run, hell I reckon a couple of kids could come in for some of the hacks and we wouldn't drop off that much. If we continue to play the older guys instead and/or have a similar draft as last year (only picking up one kid) we have failed and over exaggerated our list by a long way.
Play the favourites = Top 8 and a finals WIN or it's a fail
Play the kids = Some slack on making the top 8 but at least some competitiveness.
We've tasted finals and without some changes we're always going to get that same disgusting taste of getting belted in the first round.
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Draft, not trades, excites Tigers: Richardson.
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
October 19, 2014 3:09 PM
RICHMOND is poised to make its heaviest investment in the NAB AFL Draft since 2010 after a failing to address its midfield issues through the trade period.
The Tigers had hoped to improve their midfield depth and speed during the exchange period but a number of proposed deals fell over, leaving the club without a single trade.
With five spots to fill on the senior list, Richmond is expected to take selections 12, 33, 52, 70, 88 to the draft on November 27 where it hopes to find players who will improve its midfield.
The Tigers have recruited a total of 10 new players through the NAB AFL Draft in the past three seasons, also using free agency, the pre-season draft and mature-age rookies to build their list.
They last went deep into the draft in 2010, using five selections, while in 2009 – when Dustin Martin was recruited with pick No.3 – they took seven new players.
"We're happy to retain our draft picks and invest heavily in this year's draft," football manager Dan Richardson told the club's website this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-19/draft-not-trades-excite-tigers
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Draft, not trades, excites Tigers: Richardson.
Nathan Schmook
afl.com.au
October 19, 2014 3:09 PM
RICHMOND is poised to make its heaviest investment in the NAB AFL Draft since 2010 after a failing to address its midfield issues through the trade period.
The Tigers had hoped to improve their midfield depth and speed during the exchange period but a number of proposed deals fell over, leaving the club without a single trade.
With five spots to fill on the senior list, Richmond is expected to take selections 12, 33, 52, 70, 88 to the draft on November 27 where it hopes to find players who will improve its midfield.
The Tigers have recruited a total of 10 new players through the NAB AFL Draft in the past three seasons, also using free agency, the pre-season draft and mature-age rookies to build their list.
They last went deep into the draft in 2010, using five selections, while in 2009 – when Dustin Martin was recruited with pick No.3 – they took seven new players.
"We're happy to retain our draft picks and invest heavily in this year's draft," football manager Dan Richardson told the club's website this week.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-19/draft-not-trades-excite-tigers
wont be investing stuff all with those picks
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Club excited about draft.....
.....ends trade period still with only two picks inside the top 50....
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ffs what dribble. cant even get the number of picks right. with the promotion of Miles we have just 4 live picks in the nd. its hardly a heavy investment.
its a very average investment with largely average picks.
why do they feel the need to spin everything they do. do they think we are all a bunch of morons.
Dan Richardson has been all over the shop the whole trade period. The more he opeens his mouth the more foolish he looks.
and ffs still no mention by anyone of the need to take talls.
if the club thinks
Rance, Astbury, Chaplin, Grimes, mcintosh are adequate numbers down back or of high enough quality then they are delusional.
if they think
Riewoldt and Elton are the only needed genuine kpf then they are totally mistaken. 2 kpf its laughable. we need tall fwds as bad as any club in the comp. and ffs Elton is playing where and was drafted as a what again. oh thats right a ruck/fwd.
if they think
Hammspud is good enough to take over from maric then they are totally out of their minds. list is screaming out for a quality young ruckman.
finally they have one area right we have a plethora of 200cm ruck/fwds, griffiths, vickery and mcbean. could even put elton here, they are so so at both roles but master of none.even if we wrongly labeled all three kpfs the numbers are depressingly low.
fair dinkum the list is 5 talls short of what is needed yet alone talk about the quality of those we have. yet the club and it seems most supporters have their head in the sand when it comes to this issue.no one wants to talk about the elephant that is in the room. if they think we only need address mids they are just plain stupid. if supporters are swallowing the tripe being dished up to em then they need to wake up. there are holes all over the list.
depending on whos there i would hope we are not locked and loaded purely on a mid at 12 i hope like hell they are also looking at what talls may fall to our pick.it doesnt seem to be the case.
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Club excited about draft.....
.....ends trade period still with only two picks inside the top 50....
and then theres this. arent people sick of the tripe coming out of their mouths. they do realise just how stupid they sound.
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I tuned out of listening to their drivel yrs ago - we are premiership material when it comes to PR spin and surely have the most gullible supporters in the comp
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Club excited about draft.....
.....ends trade period still with only two picks inside the top 50....
and then theres this. arent people sick of the tripe coming out of their mouths. they do realise just how stupid they sound.
However it turns out, they'll be judged on their results in 2015.
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I tuned out of listening to their drivel yrs ago - we are premiership material when it comes to PR spin and surely have the most gullible supporters in the comp
I tuned out this year. The PR in 2014 was a whole 10 levels up from 2013 and prior to. I just cant take club press releases seriously anymore.
As you say Tony, if supporters can't see the PR for what it actually is, there's a lot of fans with a serious IQ deficiency at play.
ELE.
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As you say Tony, if supporters can't see the PR for what it actually is, there's a lot of fans with a serious IQ deficiency at play.
ELE.
HIT.NAIL.HEAD
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Richmond invested in draft under Hardwick
Matt Murname
The Age
October 20, 2014
Not since Damien Hardwick first arrived at Punt Road has Richmond been as invested in a national draft, and the club admits the pressure is on its recruiting staff to make the right selections.
The Tigers are expected to take five selections to next month's national draft, which would be the most the club has made since the 2010 draft (when Hardwick took over as coach) that landed Reece Conca (pick No.6) and Jake Batchelor (pick No.30).
Since then, the Tigers' strategy has been to bolster the depth on its list by adding players from rival clubs to play specific roles, such as Bachar Houli and Ivan Maric in 2011, Troy Chaplin and Chris Knights in 2012 and Shaun Hampson in 2013.
There was an expectation the Tigers would continue to bring in ready-made talent during the recently concluded trade and free agency period - so as to not let the club's blazing end to 2014 Band-Aid over the holes in the list – however the Tigers were unable to close any deals for established players.
Richmond had identified the need for another inside midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside.
The Tigers went close to securing former Melbourne captain Jack Trengove for that purpose – although a medical examination of his troublesome foot injury raised too many alarm bells – and reports also linked the club to North Melbourne's Levi Greenwood and St Kilda's David Armitage.
Despite the attempts made during the trade period, the Tigers will now turn to the national draft on November 27 where it will hold picks 12, 33, 52, 70, 88 as their top selections to fill vacancies on the list.
Football manager Dan Richardson said the Tigers had their eye on "three or four" talented young midfielders that are likely to be available for the Tigers' first selection.
The plan will then be to add genuine outside speed with the later picks.
Richardson admitted late last week that "the pressure is on our recruiting staff to do that come November".
The Tigers say it was inevitable the club would invest heavily in the draft sooner or later, given it had made more changes to its list since 2009 than most other clubs.
The club's list build came under intense scrutiny in the middle of last season when Hardwick's team slumped to 16th after round 14.
Even though Richmond pulled off one of the greatest late-season runs ever to claim eighth position, they were thrashed in the elimination final against Port Adelaide and the Tigers were warned not to be seduced by the fast finish in analysing the state of the list.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/richmond-invested-in-draft-under-hardwick-20141019-118f5d.html
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When was the last time our picks in the 50s to 80s on youth actually went on to be decent players at the club? I mean, I get the whole investing in youth thing but what's the point when the quality isn't there and the club butchers the selection anyway?
Edit - 11 years. 2003 saw Tuck and Jackson picked up in at pick 73 and 53 respectively. Since then there has 19 selections after pick 50 of youth and not one has been decent.
Based on this, you can just about write off or 3rd, 4th and 5th selections.
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When was the last time our picks in the 50s to 80s on youth actually went on to be decent players at the club? I mean, I get the whole investing in youth thing but what's the point when the quality isn't there and the club butchers the selection anyway?
Edit - 11 years. 2003 saw Tuck and Jackson picked up in at pick 73 and 53 respectively. Skince then there has 19 selections after pick 50 of youth and not one has been decent.
Based on this, you can just about write off or 3rd, 4th and 5th selections.
In all fairness, Dooks, the last few drafts have been plundered before we even get to our late picks.
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When was the last time our picks in the 50s to 80s on youth actually went on to be decent players at the club? I mean, I get the whole investing in youth thing but what's the point when the quality isn't there and the club butchers the selection anyway?
Edit - 11 years. 2003 saw Tuck and Jackson picked up in at pick 73 and 53 respectively. Since then there has 19 selections after pick 50 of youth and not one has been decent.
Based on this, you can just about write off or 3rd, 4th and 5th selections.
The recruiting team has been beefed up with the hiring of Luke Williams. He played sidekick to Stephen Wells down at Geelong for several years so I hope some of his magic has rubbed off on him. :gotigers
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
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When was the last time our picks in the 50s to 80s on youth actually went on to be decent players at the club? I mean, I get the whole investing in youth thing but what's the point when the quality isn't there and the club butchers the selection anyway?
Edit - 11 years. 2003 saw Tuck and Jackson picked up in at pick 73 and 53 respectively. Since then there has 19 selections after pick 50 of youth and not one has been decent.
Based on this, you can just about write off or 3rd, 4th and 5th selections.
Could add Foley IMO if you include rookie as later than pick 50
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Don't like agreeing wif ya HRT but you are correct about Vlastuin.
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs
It should be: cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca
The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.
Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types
Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs
It should be: cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca
The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.
Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types
Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.
Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. :thumbsup
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.
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Soft or not overly tough
Houli
Grigg - wingers/hff spend time playing black line afl=rugby
Elllis
Not good enough kick regularly enough
Morris
Pettard
Bachelor?
Mdea?
Conca?
not enough rebound / run
Newman
I'd you rewind the tape I think you will find martin and deledio have played back in the recent past. And when the going gets tough lids seems to be moved back as a hard wick masterstroke.
There is a reason this is the case.
Its also my gut feel vlastuin is played their to hold down the fort.ala lidsmk2
Good clubs drafts MIDs and start them hbf beforw the go midfield. Lennon and #12 would hopefully add run and skills.
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Hopefully Vlaustin can be a bit Hodge-esque in that we can swing him where we need him and like Hodge has the ability to somewhat play tall and small enough to be effective as a spare man IMO
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IMO lids=hodge
But you need him mid/fwd, too :-\
Vlastuin-voss :shh
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs
It should be: cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca
The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.
Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types
Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.
Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. :thumbsup
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.
compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs
It should be: cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca
The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.
Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types
Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.
Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. :thumbsup
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.
compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.
That's why I'm hoping we take Harrison Wigg with our second pick if he's still there.
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"midfielder to support Trent Cotchin and Anthony Miles, and thus allowing the likes of Dustin Martin, Brett Deledio, Conca and Brandon Ellis to become more damaging on the outside."
Not sure Conca is physically equipped to play outside - if he makes it, he will getting ball and dishing off.
I'm completely baffled why Vlastuin wouldn't be groomed for an inside role, year 3 and another pre season he should be primed for huge 2015 as a mid.
Hardwic is a flog. He starts grigg at centre bounce ffs
It should be: cotchin (fwd also), vlasutin, miles, martin (fwd), deledio (fback/fwd too), conca
The problem is the backline is soft and poorly skilled hence ou need for deledio, vlastuin, martin to play behind the ball.
Hopeful #12 can start on a back flank and Lennon plays their also to release vlastuin types
Foley if he plays. Ditto arnot.
Only bit of that I agree with is Dimma is a flog. :thumbsup
Lids and Dusty will not be played behind the ball and Vlastuin will be moved more into the midfield.
And WTF would we want another HBF at pick 12? Pick 12 should never ever be for a flanker.
And lastly our back line isn't soft, it's our most complete section of the ground at the moment.
compare the drive, run, class and poise we get from our half backs to that of hawthorns. our backline is far from complete, if we ever want to challenge.
While you are comparing, compare our forward line set up to theirs.
I just think our midfield and forward line have many more holes than our back line. I must admit, a Burgoyne or a Suckling would be nice off half back. But I would also say a lot of their run and poise is from their wingman in Hill and Smith.
Not sure of the figures but I did hear somewhere that we conceded less than the Hawthorn back line. They can afford that a bit more than us with the forwards they have. We have Jack and nothing else.
As much as we need more inside mids we also need more mids with pace that can break the lines and deliver it well. Pace, pace and more pace is what we need.
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but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.
the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.
you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.
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but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.
the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.
you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.
In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.
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one statement is simply your opinion and the second is incorrect.
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but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.
the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.
you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.
In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.
Wrong.
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but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.
the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.
you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.
In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.
Wrong.
Possibly but the game starts in the middle - if the mids do their job, the backline has an easy day, though it could be argued that in the modern game, the half back line, particularly the flankers are often as much a part of the midfield as they are the backline.
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sydney- malcevski, mcveigh, shaw, smith
hawks-burgoyne, suckling, birchall
cats- enright, taylor, bartel, mackie
These guys were premiership winning half back players.
compare that to our half back line
newman, batch, dea, morris, houli, ellis,
The rest not even worth mentioning.
Half back line has next to no class lets be honest. Rance is a stopper and an excellent one.
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Rance rebounds well. Got rutten covered.
The above post unfortunately illustrates why one or more of deledio / martin / Lennon / vlastuin, should play back. otherwise the lack of toughnees and skill is often exposed.
Which is a shame as ideally these players would be middle/forward hitting the scoreboard.
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one statement is simply your opinion and the second is incorrect.
Yes Al it's only my opinion but also that of all coaches in the AFL. The best players play in the middle. Twist it however you like, but it's a fact.
Not to say good players don't play across half back, they do but the stars of the game play in the middle.
Cotch, Dangerfield, Ablett, Pendlebery, Mitchell, Fyfe, Kennedy, Boak, Selwood, Johnson, Beams, just to name a few.
So I ask you, what part of my statement is incorrect?.... This will be good :whistle
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but im not arguing our other lines are close to complete, just that our half back line is far from what is required.
the half back line is nearly as important as the midfield, perhaps as important.
you can play hard but average skilled players in the midfield, but you need class across half back.
In no way shape or form is the HBL as important as the midfield. Hence why the best players play in the midfield.
Wrong.
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Let's here what you have to say to. What was "wrong"
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luke hodge?
mitchell at times?
deledios best football?
the best contested ball winners generally play in the middle. sometimes these are the best players, sometimes they are not.
jackson played in the middle. was he one of the best players?
would you play him accross half back?
ditto miles?
tuck? ( who hardwick threw there probably hoping he would fail, which he didnt, but his and many like him, get ball see ball kick ball style of play would is much more effective in the middle)
surely even you wouldnt expect us to believe that these blokes are necessarily better players than hodge, mitchell or many of the players that Daniel listed?
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luke hodge?
mitchell at times?
deledios best football?
the best contested ball winners generally play in the middle. sometimes these are the best players, sometimes they are not.
jackson played in the middle. was he one of the best players?
would you play him accross half back?
ditto miles?
tuck? ( who hardwick threw there probably hoping he would fail, which he didnt, but his and many like him, get ball see ball kick ball style of play would is much more effective in the middle)
surely even you wouldnt expect us to believe that these blokes are necessarily better players than hodge, mitchell or many of the players that Daniel listed?
Are you claiming Mitchell as a HBF? What ratio of his career would he have played there?
Hodge plays as much on the ball as he does across HB.
Lids won his two B&F's in the middle.
Jackson was a tagger, I hope I don't need to explain that to you.
Miles was/is one of our best players, so he played in the middle. Not sure what you meant by naming him.
Serious question, do you think the best players in the AFL play in the middle of the ground? The game starts in the middle mate. :cheers
Daniel named some very good players but my list of stars was at another level.
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if you think
mitchell at times?
is claiming him to be a half back, then grab it and run with it, if you must.
where did we finish on the ladder when deledio won his B&F playing in the middle?
both hodge and mitchell play accross half back, hodge much more so. the reason being is that their coach recognises the importance off having class accross the half back line, as you have as many forward thrusts start from there, with the added hurdle of having to dissect a rolling zone defence of modern football.
clearly you one of those that puts little importance of having classy players accross half back, so i assume you put little credence in the view that that is the springboard of attack.
i doubt if myself, or anyone else, will ever change that view. i imagine even if an afl coach explained why there has been an evolution of the defensive forward, you would change your view.
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if you think
mitchell at times?
is claiming him to be a half back, then grab it and run with it, if you must.
where did we finish on the ladder when deledio won his B&F playing in the middle?
both hodge and mitchell play accross half back, hodge much more so. the reason being is that their coach recognises the importance off having class accross the half back line, as you have as many forward thrusts start from there, with the added hurdle of having to dissect a rolling zone defence of modern football.
clearly you one of those that puts little importance of having classy players accross half back, so i assume you put little credence in the view that that is the springboard of attack.
i doubt if myself, or anyone else, will ever change that view. i imagine even if an afl coach explained why there has been an evolution of the defensive forward, you would change your view.
To answer your first question we finished low down on the ladder when Lids was winning his two B&F's.. Not because Lids was in the middle, it was because we were sh/7 just like your last post.
I didn't say you don't need class across halfback, I believe you do but what we were discussing was if your best players played there or in the middle. And to show even how desperate you are, you try and claim Mitchell as a halfback flanker. He has played there off and on over the last couple of years mostly because last year he was coming back from injury, but anyone that knows even the slightest bit about footy knows that Mitchell has payed 90% of his footy in the middle where the best players play.
Hodge is a very good player but he isn't their best now he is getting on in age.
Anyway it doesn't really matter, I'm happy for you to think what you think. But if you want to keep going with this, name me any two HBF's in the same side and ill name you two better players in their team.
One last question to you, are Houli and Vlastuin our best players? They play across halfback for us?? Maybe Dimma thinks they are both better than Cotch and Dusty??
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Orly
How did hodge go in 2008
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if you think
mitchell at times?
is claiming him to be a half back, then grab it and run with it, if you must.
where did we finish on the ladder when deledio won his B&F playing in the middle?
both hodge and mitchell play accross half back, hodge much more so. the reason being is that their coach recognises the importance off having class accross the half back line, as you have as many forward thrusts start from there, with the added hurdle of having to dissect a rolling zone defence of modern football.
clearly you one of those that puts little importance of having classy players accross half back, so i assume you put little credence in the view that that is the springboard of attack.
i doubt if myself, or anyone else, will ever change that view. i imagine even if an afl coach explained why there has been an evolution of the defensive forward, you would change your view.
classiest player in the whole comp plays most of his footy down back. shaun burgoyne anyone.
would have thought hawthorns regular defenders for the yr were, birchall a 194cm running player. burgoyne big bodied 186cm superstar. fair dinkum this bloke just does not get the plaudits he should.
lake 195cm 100kg gorilla. seems to do it right when it counts. stratton 189cm 91kg defender first but reads it well and provides run.sphanger 195 96 kpd. a battler who has done a job at two clubs now.gibson 189/ 95 cm who plays on both talls and smalls and provides drive.hes been very good, schoenmakers 195/95 kpd can play, taking time coming back from knee injury. hodgey 186/89 plays most of his footy down back. great player in most areas but fair dinkum if i have a knock on him he does turn it over by foot an awful lot.
they arent super quick but they all have size and the shortest player going thru there is 186cm in hodge and burgoyne.
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hodgey 186/89 fair dinkum if i have a knock on him he does turn it over by foot an awful lot.
:o
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if you think
mitchell at times?
is claiming him to be a half back, then grab it and run with it, if you must.
where did we finish on the ladder when deledio won his B&F playing in the middle?
both hodge and mitchell play accross half back, hodge much more so. the reason being is that their coach recognises the importance off having class accross the half back line, as you have as many forward thrusts start from there, with the added hurdle of having to dissect a rolling zone defence of modern football.
clearly you one of those that puts little importance of having classy players accross half back, so i assume you put little credence in the view that that is the springboard of attack.
i doubt if myself, or anyone else, will ever change that view. i imagine even if an afl coach explained why there has been an evolution of the defensive forward, you would change your view.
To answer your first question we finished low down on the ladder when Lids was winning his two B&F's.. Not because Lids was in the middle, it was because we were sh/7 just like your last post.
I didn't say you don't need class across halfback, I believe you do but what we were discussing was if your best players played there or in the middle. And to show even how desperate you are, you try and claim Mitchell as a halfback flanker. He has played there off and on over the last couple of years mostly because last year he was coming back from injury, but anyone that knows even the slightest bit about footy knows that Mitchell has payed 90% of his footy in the middle where the best players play.
Hodge is a very good player but he isn't their best now he is getting on in age.
Anyway it doesn't really matter, I'm happy for you to think what you think. But if you want to keep going with this, name me any two HBF's in the same side and ill name you two better players in their team.
One last question to you, are Houli and Vlastuin our best players? They play across halfback for us?? Maybe Dimma thinks they are both better than Cotch and Dusty??
please explain how you keep thinking the words "at times" is claiming to be his permanent position in regards to mitchell?
like wow, seriously??.
also, i have never said that the best players are played at half back. again, how do you come to that conclusion?
and you seem to missed the point with deledio. we were crap as you say, and he was easiliy the best player in the team. he would have won the B&F no matter where we played him, so its not a sound argument that was his best footy.
By the way, Cotchim has played accross half back,just that no one here ever picked up on it. Personally though, i wouldn't play him there, but thats another discussion.
are you arguing just for the sake of argument, because you seem to be hell bent on dragging the discussion away from the original point of disagreement and arguing against things that were never said, or implied
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if you think
mitchell at times?
is claiming him to be a half back, then grab it and run with it, if you must.
where did we finish on the ladder when deledio won his B&F playing in the middle?
both hodge and mitchell play accross half back, hodge much more so. the reason being is that their coach recognises the importance off having class accross the half back line, as you have as many forward thrusts start from there, with the added hurdle of having to dissect a rolling zone defence of modern football.
clearly you one of those that puts little importance of having classy players accross half back, so i assume you put little credence in the view that that is the springboard of attack.
i doubt if myself, or anyone else, will ever change that view. i imagine even if an afl coach explained why there has been an evolution of the defensive forward, you would change your view.
To answer your first question we finished low down on the ladder when Lids was winning his two B&F's.. Not because Lids was in the middle, it was because we were sh/7 just like your last post.
I didn't say you don't need class across halfback, I believe you do but what we were discussing was if your best players played there or in the middle. And to show even how desperate you are, you try and claim Mitchell as a halfback flanker. He has played there off and on over the last couple of years mostly because last year he was coming back from injury, but anyone that knows even the slightest bit about footy knows that Mitchell has payed 90% of his footy in the middle where the best players play.
Hodge is a very good player but he isn't their best now he is getting on in age.
Anyway it doesn't really matter, I'm happy for you to think what you think. But if you want to keep going with this, name me any two HBF's in the same side and ill name you two better players in their team.
One last question to you, are Houli and Vlastuin our best players? They play across halfback for us?? Maybe Dimma thinks they are both better than Cotch and Dusty??
please explain how you keep thinking the words "at times" is claiming to be his permanent position in regards to mitchell?
like wow, seriously??.
also, i have never said that the best players are played at half back. again, how do you come to that conclusion?
and you seem to missed the point with deledio. we were crap as you say, and he was easiliy the best player in the team. he would have won the B&F no matter where we played him, so its not a sound argument that was his best footy.
By the way, Cotchim has played accross half back,just that no one here ever picked up on it. Personally though, i wouldn't play him there, but thats another discussion.
are you arguing just for the sake of argument, because you seem to be hell bent on dragging the discussion away from the original point of disagreement and arguing against things that were never said, or implied
Did you just write "like wow, seriously" Stopped reading after that.
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naturally, you would.
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hodgey 186/89 fair dinkum if i have a knock on him he does turn it over by foot an awful lot.
:o
go watch any game he plays in and come back and tell me how many times he missed a target or just bombed it long.
it aint hard to do judge. lose the preconcieved ideals and just watch.