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Tiger midfielder cut but may receive second chance
Jennifer Phelan
afl.com.au
November 10, 2014 3:34 PM
RICHMOND midfielder Matt Arnot is likely to enter 2015 on the Tigers' rookie list after being cut as a senior player.
The 21-year-old was delisted on Monday, ahead of the League's second list lodgement this Thursday and as clubs structure their lists before the November 27 NAB AFL Draft.
But the Tigers have pledged to re-draft the contracted midfielder as a rookie for what will be his fourth season in the AFL.
"The decision to delist Matt was a tough one to make, however it was a necessary list management decision to enable us to go into the upcoming draft period with the number of selections we want," football manager Dan Richardson told the club's website.
"We have committed to re-drafting Matt, as we believe he still has a contribution to make to the Richmond Football Club.
"Matt will continue to train with the club during this time."
Arnot played just four senior games this year having lost some of the consistency he showed the previous season. He's played eight senior matches in total.
In the past few years, he has developed from a hard-working defender into a ball-winning midfielder but struggled to hold his form at senior level in 2014.
He was drafted by the Tigers in 2011 with pick No.55.
The Tigers have already delisted Aaron Edwards, Brad Helbig and Brett O'Hanlon, along with rookies Todd Banfield, Ben Darrou, Orren Stephenson and Cadeyn Williams.
Dan Jackson and Jake King retired before the season's end because of recurrent injuries.
The Tigers recruited Geelong midfielder Taylor Hunt as a delisted free agent last week.
The club's one-to-five year players started pre-season on Monday.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-10/tiger-mid-shown-the-door
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Just out of curiosity what happens to his contract?
We was contracted on the senior list of 2015. What happens to his contract? Does it get included in our 2015 cap?
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Chris Newman has Matt's blood on his hands......
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:facepalm
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:huh3
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Just out of curiosity what happens to his contract?
We was contracted on the senior list of 2015. What happens to his contract? Does it get included in our 2015 cap?
yes it does, that's why we have to take him as a rookie because we are paying him anyway
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Equal only to stkilda as a poo club
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Inside mid gets delisted for not being a good enough forward pocket. Pathetic.
Chris Newman has Matt's blood on his hands......
Pretty much.
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Good move I believe :clapping Rookie list at best at this stage of his career. Lets hope he responds in a positive way and earns his spot back at the end of 15.
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WTF????
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GOOD MOVE, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING At a slider in the draft
Arnot given 2 year contract last year & hasn't improved so delist
Not sure what happens re his salary & being counted toward cap & TPP
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Just out of curiosity what happens to his contract?
We was contracted on the senior list of 2015. What happens to his contract? Does it get included in our 2015 cap?
yes it does, that's why we have to take him as a rookie because we are paying him anyway
Thought that was the case
Which makes all this media nonsense that we are running close to the salary cap limit; just that nonsense. IF we had cap "issues" we wouldn't be able to afford to do this ;D
Glad we are taking another pick to the draft. Wonder if they are planning on using it at the National draft or the pre-season draft :huh3
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Probably nothing but just heard a rumour there's an unhappy Bomber we may be clearing the way for.
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Probably nothing but just heard a rumour there's an unhappy Bomber we may be clearing the way for.
I hope it is nothing. Too old.
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GOOD MOVE, OBVIOUSLY LOOKING At a slider in the draft
Arnot given 2 year contract last year & hasn't improved so delist
Not sure what happens re his salary & being counted toward cap & TPP
so it is possibile
stuff off grugg and chaplin
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Very poor year by Matt
Would need to improve out of sight to get promoted
Struggled when give the opportunity thus couldn't hold his spot
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Very poor year by Matt
Would need to improve out of sight to get promoted
Struggled when give the opportunity thus couldn't hold his spot
You have no credibility until you change your username. Talk about self importance. Ooooh you're back ! woohoo !! :clapping LMFAO
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Very poor year by Matt
Would need to improve out of sight to get promoted
Struggled when give the opportunity thus couldn't hold his spot
You have no credibility until you change your username. Talk about self importance. Ooooh you're back ! woohoo !! :clapping LMFAO
But Jack is correct.
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Probably nothing but just heard a rumour there's an unhappy Bomber we may be clearing the way for.
which one?
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Chapman?
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Probably nothing but just heard a rumour there's an unhappy Bomber we may be clearing the way for.
which one?
Chapman?
Didn't say but that'd be my guess.
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Last year keen, next year not so keen.
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They'll be a few clubs looking to rookie arnot :shh
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They'll be a few clubs looking to rookie arnot :shh
Still has a year left on his contract doesn't he? Pretty sure they can't if that's the case.
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should have rookied Newman instead
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Good move
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Good move.
Yeah stuff the kids - gotta get Newy to 300!!
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Good move.
Yeah stuff the kids - gotta get Newy to 300!!
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I would have axed Newy too. As I've said before I don't think Arnott will make it.
I see you're a champion of the kids. You do realize this will allow us to take another one in the draft?
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Inside mid gets delisted for not being a good enough forward pocket. Pathetic.
Chris Newman has Matt's blood on his hands......
Pretty much.
Good call. Is it possible for another club to draft him via the rookie draft?
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Very poor year by Matt
Would need to improve out of sight to get promoted
Struggled when give the opportunity thus couldn't hold his spot
You have no credibility until you change your username. Talk about self importance. Ooooh you're back ! woohoo !! :clapping LMFAO
You must not attend the games
When I watched him play, he was ordinary to say the least and ended back in the 2,s
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I'm all for giving kids a go but this particular one has too many deficiencies in his game. One more year on the rookie list and bring in another kid on the main list. Seems ideal to me.
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I'm all for giving kids a go but this particular one has too many deficiencies in his game. One more year on the rookie list and bring in another kid on the main list. Seems ideal to me.
what deficiencies are those willy?
He can kick, he's one of the fittest at the club by all reports, he's strong at the contest - I think he's fundamentally a very sound player that just needs a run of 10-15 games....and playing midfield instead of fwd pocket might help with those numbers
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I'm all for giving kids a go but this particular one has too many deficiencies in his game. One more year on the rookie list and bring in another kid on the main list. Seems ideal to me.
what deficiencies are those willy?
He can kick, he's one of the fittest at the club by all reports, he's strong at the contest - I think he's fundamentally a very sound player that just needs a run of 10-15 games....and playing midfield instead of fwd pocket might help with those numbers
Height. Speed. Awareness. Decision Making. Skills
I can see why people like him, he just doesn't have enough class for mine. Didn't look above VFL level in the twos games that I watched. I know a few disagree, that's just my take.
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his played 8 games in 3 years please he wont get a game next year might as well tried our luck on a young kid :thumbsup
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They'll be a few clubs looking to rookie arnot :shh
Still has a year left on his contract doesn't he? Pretty sure they can't if that's the case.
But we delisted him :huh
Th contract remains valid?
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I'm all for giving kids a go but this particular one has too many deficiencies in his game. One more year on the rookie list and bring in another kid on the main list. Seems ideal to me.
what deficiencies are those willy?
He can kick, he's one of the fittest at the club by all reports, he's strong at the contest - I think he's fundamentally a very sound player that just needs a run of 10-15 games....and playing midfield instead of fwd pocket might help with those numbers
Height. Speed. Awareness. Decision Making. Skills
I can see why people like him, he just doesn't have enough class for mine. Didn't look above VFL level in the twos games that I watched. I know a few disagree, that's just my take.
It's a fair argument you propose. The flaw is; he's not been given games due to old people like Jackson, Newman, Grigg, Thomas.
Least blocker types, with enough 'deficiencies' to fill a book.
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Good move.
Yeah stuff the kids - gotta get Newy to 300!!
I would have axed Newy too. As I've said before I don't think Arnott will make it.
I see you're a champion of the kids. You do realize this will allow us to take another one in the draft?
Making Newman retire would have allowed us to take another kid, keep Arnott on the senior list, get a second kid in the rookie draft who - unlike Arnot, I presume - will only be on a rookie wage and get more senior games into a young player like McDonough or Dea next year.
They'll be a few clubs looking to rookie arnot :shh
Still has a year left on his contract doesn't he? Pretty sure they can't if that's the case.
But we delisted him :huh
Th contract remains valid?
That's why he's going to moved onto the rookie list and not just let go.
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and yet melbourne or st kilda are not allowed to draft him in the national or rookie draft before our pick?
bizarre
so the definition of delisted is - de-listed... unless you have extra years on your contract left, and the club chooses to move you to the rookie list.
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and yet melbourne or st kilda are not allowed to draft him in the national or rookie draft before our pick?
bizarre
so the definition of delisted is - de-listed... unless you have extra years on your contract left, and the club chooses to move you to the rookie list.
Afaik, yes but I could be wrong. The club says it's committed to re-drafting him as a rookie, so they must be certain they can.
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and yet melbourne or st kilda are not allowed to draft him in the national or rookie draft before our pick?
bizarre
so the definition of delisted is - de-listed... unless you have extra years on your contract left, and the club chooses to move you to the rookie list.
Afaik, yes but I could be wrong. The club says it's committed to re-drafting him as a rookie, so they must be certain they can.
I could be wrong but I thought another club could draft him provided they take on his current contract. It's unlikely they will though especially for what will be a rookie listed player.
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I'm with you fellas on not playing Newy and Grigg. I just don't rate Arnott. I would have played Dea and Donuts instead.
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I personally think Arnot has more to offer than McDonough.
We need another inside mid, try playing Arnot there :shh
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Probably nothing but just heard a rumour there's an unhappy Bomber we may be clearing the way for.
which one?
Chapman?
Didn't say but that'd be my guess.
Just re-signed with Essendon.
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I personally think Arnot has more to offer than McDonough.
We need another inside mid, try playing Arnot there :shh
blimey and there I was thinking he was a defensive fwd :shh
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Since when does Arnott have good skills? Hes okay on his left (barely) but has no right.
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Since when does Arnott have good skills? Hes okay on his left (barely) but has no right.
Since 2013 I have seen him in a fair few games and his skills are hardly subpar. I keep hearing people mention his poor kicking skills, but that is a myth, maybe from his first season. Since then he's worked really hard on his game and it shows. He shows more vision than most players and dominates regularly at vfl level.
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Good move.
Yeah stuff the kids - gotta get Newy to 300!!
I would have axed Newy too. As I've said before I don't think Arnott will make it.
I see you're a champion of the kids. You do realize this will allow us to take another one in the draft?
Making Newman retire would have allowed us to take another kid, keep Arnott on the senior list, get a second kid in the rookie draft who - unlike Arnot, I presume - will only be on a rookie wage and get more senior games into a young player like McDonough or Dea next year.
They'll be a few clubs looking to rookie arnot :shh
Still has a year left on his contract doesn't he? Pretty sure they can't if that's the case.
But we delisted him :huh
Th contract remains valid?
That's why he's going to moved onto the rookie list and not just let go.
so the club clearly rate a elderly Newman over him.
What does that say?
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I personally think Arnot has more to offer than McDonough.
We need another inside mid, try playing Arnot there :shh
blimey and there I was thinking he was a defensive fwd :shh
...even in the less suited position of forward pocket, his numbers were actually not that far off King's career average as a small forward and in the match where he was subbed of after three quarters they were comparable to what King's returns over a full game usually were. He certainly tackles more than King ever did.
Since when does Arnott have good skills? Hes okay on his left (barely) but has no right.
Compared to Thomarse he's positively Ablett-esque.
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I really do wonder of the club stuffed up in bulking him up they way the did last pre-season
Always been a solid kid, but seemed to a little too solid in 2014 and don't think it helped him one iota.
And I agree with big tone, reckon he has more upside than McDonough
He's obviously got 12 months to prove it
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Needs to stop worrying about hurting his opponent and start winning the pill
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I think McDonough has more awareness on the footy field and hits his targets with a much higher frequency.
On the plus side for Arnot, he is bigger and stronger and probably can bet his own ball more often than McDonough.
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One huge plus for Arnot is that he makes his tackles stick. He is an inside mid. Take a risk play him there. If he does not succeed will then delist but give him a go first. Last year he was dropped after playing a good game. Put games into young players.
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Needs to stop worrying about hurting his opponent and start winning the pill
Not sure I agree. We have so many pussys :-\
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One huge plus for Arnot is that he makes his tackles stick. He is an inside mid. Take a risk play him there. If he does not succeed will then delist but give him a go first. Last year he was dropped after playing a good game. Put games into young players.
Why would hardwick do this?
He knows he will get sacked if he has a bad start to the year
Much better going with a safe option; gigg, Newman, Thomas etc
No risks thank you very much.
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Bloke needs to play a dozen games in the middle as an inside mid.
If he doesn't make it, cut him.
Hasn't been given a go.
At 180/86 he's a real wrecking ball.
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Since when does Arnott have good skills? Hes okay on his left (barely) but has no right.
Since 2013 I have seen him in a fair few games and his skills are hardly subpar. I keep hearing people mention his poor kicking skills, but that is a myth, maybe from his first season. Since then he's worked really hard on his game and it shows. He shows more vision than most players and dominates regularly at vfl level.
I wouldn't say they are poor but gee wiz I wouldn't call them good. He's on the bare minimum pass mark for me, and no that's not a "myth" it's just my opinion.
I'll just say I don't believe he'll make it but he surely does deserve an extended go in the midfield. Heck if you're going to put him forward pocket at least give him a few games there to let him learn what it's like to play under Jack's feet not just drag him after one game
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One huge plus for Arnot is that he makes his tackles stick. He is an inside mid. Take a risk play him there. If he does not succeed will then delist but give him a go first. Last year he was dropped after playing a good game. Put games into young players.
Why would hardwick do this?
He knows he will get sacked if he has a bad start to the year
Much better going with a safe option; gigg, Newman, Thomas etc
No risks thank you very much.
Agree. No incentive for Hardwick to take a risk.
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One huge plus for Arnot is that he makes his tackles stick. He is an inside mid. Take a risk play him there. If he does not succeed will then delist but give him a go first. Last year he was dropped after playing a good game. Put games into young players.
Why would hardwick do this?
He knows he will get sacked if he has a bad start to the year
Much better going with a safe option; gigg, Newman, Thomas etc
No risks thank you very much.
Agree. No incentive for Hardwick to take a risk.
No more of a risk playing the kids than it is persisting with those duds.
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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I think he will go before our pick
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does anyone know the rules?
can someone burrown down vlads hole and find them pls
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Arnot was the victim of last seasons winning streak. Darrou and Helbig also probably in the same boat. There was no way the club was going to put games into fringe players whilst it was still mathematically possible that we would make finals.
In some ways from a development perspective we may have been better off had we not reached for finals this year.
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Short term goals
Lack of vision and boldness
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
King, Jackson, Thomas, Newman, Chaplin, Grigg, Pettard cant be developed, no.
Mcgaune... :sleep
imo the clubs leadership in regards to the manager is delusional and selfish
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his played 8 games in 3 years please he wont get a game next year might as well tried our luck on a young kid :thumbsup
Correct !!
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
King, Jackson, Thomas, Newman, Chaplin, Grigg, Pettard cant be developed, no.
Mcgaune... :sleep
imo the clubs leadership in regards to the manager is delusional and selfish
look we all agree to a man i reckon. but what you and a few others steadfastly refuse to acknowledge is the very simple fac,t the older blokes get more games because they show and do more than the kids. you know those total hacks you constantly bag and complain about give the team more than the kids you want played. it may be a bitter pill to swallow but its the truth.
for sure play the kids in the right circumstances but ffs the kids in the main look bloody awful to date.
im a bit different with arnot i dont see the point in keeping him at all. hes not good enough to keep on the main list yet we rookie him. looking for what exactly? some ordinary depth???.
we are one of the few clubs who have done this cut em and put em on the rookie list just to totally delist em a yr later .
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Probably rate Arnot less than pick 70(ish?) but more than what our last rookie pick would have been
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
King, Jackson, Thomas, Newman, Chaplin, Grigg, Pettard cant be developed, no.
Mcgaune... :sleep
imo the clubs leadership in regards to the manager is delusional and selfish
look we all agree to a man i reckon. but what you and a few others steadfastly refuse to acknowledge is the very simple fac,t the older blokes get more games because they show and do more than the kids. you know those total hacks you constantly bag and complain about give the team more than the kids you want played. it may be a bitter pill to swallow but its the truth.
for sure play the kids in the right circumstances but ffs the kids in the main look bloody awful to date.
im a bit different with arnot i dont see the point in keeping him at all. hes not good enough to keep on the main list yet we rookie him. looking for what exactly? some ordinary depth???.
we are one of the few clubs who have done this cut em and put em on the rookie list just to totally delist em a yr later .
How can you claim this
If the grigg of the world as never dropped?
And the kids get the rough end of the stick regardless of form
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
King, Jackson, Thomas, Newman, Chaplin, Grigg, Pettard cant be developed, no.
Mcgaune... :sleep
imo the clubs leadership in regards to the manager is delusional and selfish
look we all agree to a man i reckon. but what you and a few others steadfastly refuse to acknowledge is the very simple fac,t the older blokes get more games because they show and do more than the kids. you know those total hacks you constantly bag and complain about give the team more than the kids you want played. it may be a bitter pill to swallow but its the truth.
for sure play the kids in the right circumstances but ffs the kids in the main look bloody awful to date.
im a bit different with arnot i dont see the point in keeping him at all. hes not good enough to keep on the main list yet we rookie him. looking for what exactly? some ordinary depth???.
we are one of the few clubs who have done this cut em and put em on the rookie list just to totally delist em a yr later .
How can you claim this
If the grigg of the world as never dropped?
And the kids get the rough end of the stick regardless of form
im not claiming anything just stating a fact.
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Problem is that Hardwick perceives it as a risk.
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Ding Ding Ding
You can't develop playing finals football, better off playing kids and losing eh
King, Jackson, Thomas, Newman, Chaplin, Grigg, Pettard cant be developed, no.
Mcgaune... :sleep
imo the clubs leadership in regards to the manager is delusional and selfish
look we all agree to a man i reckon. but what you and a few others steadfastly refuse to acknowledge is the very simple fac,t the older blokes get more games because they show and do more than the kids. you know those total hacks you constantly bag and complain about give the team more than the kids you want played. it may be a bitter pill to swallow but its the truth.
for sure play the kids in the right circumstances but ffs the kids in the main look bloody awful to date.
im a bit different with arnot i dont see the point in keeping him at all. hes not good enough to keep on the main list yet we rookie him. looking for what exactly? some ordinary depth???.
we are one of the few clubs who have done this cut em and put em on the rookie list just to totally delist em a yr later .
How can you claim this
If the grigg of the world as never dropped?
And the kids get the rough end of the stick regardless of form
im not claiming anything just stating a fact.
I agree with claw.
The kids need to be bashing the door down for a game, they are not.
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Darrou zero games. - good form in twos
Chaplin never dropped - shyte form in ones
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Look,
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Darrou zero games. - good form in twos
Chaplin never dropped - shyte form in ones
Darrou was on the rookie list - should've been elevated when Astbury went down and Miles earlier instead of Thomarse.
Arnot was playing well, was rewarded but played out of position in the FP where he returned figures similar to King ...the biggest joke was the match where they brought him in for Thomarse but then played him as a defensive forward and stuck Petterd - an actual defensive forward - in the middle instead.
Despite also not being played in his best position for most of the year, McDonough did everything right in the twos and not too much wrong in his few senior appearances, both him & Dea deserved games over Newman, who was a liabilty all year.
Grigg as usual was useless all year but no real direct outside mid replacement putting pressure on except maybe Gordon - and they were both playing by the end. Would've preferred Gordon to Grigg, with Lennon and O'Hanlon alternating between Gordon's role & sub.
Speaking of O'Hanlon - comes on as a sub, has 9 decent touches in a quarter, then gets dropped.
Maybe they weren't all bashing down the door (and I don't even rate a couple of them that highly myself), but they were at least knocking on it and all showed they could at least be serviceable and no worse, if not better, than the same old hacks serving up the same old crap. Hacks that've already reached their ceiling and are no chance of inproving and , if anything, are only going to get worse.
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Chaplin never dropped - shyte form in ones
I'm a fan of your work Judge but you've got to get over this blind spot for Chaplin.
He had an ordinary start to the year last year but most defenders did given the way the side played.
In the last two months he was top 10 in the AFL for intercepting opposition possessions.
When he plays well, we play well. Absolute key to the side and in our 5 most important players.
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Agree, not a huge fan of Chaplin but when Rance is in the team and he's allowed to play with more freedom he is actually a decent player. Just can't handle playing tight on a direct opponent IMO
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He's just OK to me. Not our worst, not our best. Wouldn't mind if Astbury took his spot.
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Chaplin never dropped - shyte form in ones
I'm a fan of your work Judge but you've got to get over this blind spot for Chaplin.
He had an ordinary start to the year last year but most defenders did given the way the side played.
In the last two months he was top 10 in the AFL for intercepting opposition possessions.
When he plays well, we play well. Absolute key to the side and in our 5 most important players.
i actually to a far lesser degree agree with the judge on this one. i think we could find a slightly smaller quicker more sklled player to perform the role chaplin does. my gripe with him is the poor skills but more importanly the inability to go one v one with the fwds around his size. he should be the player taking on and stopping your clokes hawkins etc but he just doesnt do that role and when he does he gets cleaned up.
simply put i dont think him a top level KPD he plays more like a third tall hence why i think hes expendable with his skill set. hes not top level kpd or top level third tall imo AS SUCH WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE A BETTER OPTION for the role he does. sorry caps on.
ATM he is the better option of the tall defenders apart from rance but then again atm i dont rate many of our talls full stop.