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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on January 02, 2015, 11:15:56 AM
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As the title says - Which Tiger players are elite? Last year, Champion Data said Lids, Cotch & Rance.
And who of our younger players do you think could become elite?
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Lids, Rance, Cotch and Riewoldt
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Brandon Ellis
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Brandon Ellis
Not yet doesn't use it well enough
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Shane Edwards based on last year.
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Shane Edwards based on last year.
lmao. his season was nothing but decent and is the minimum expected. even then for me he had far too many ordinary games.
if edwards season was elite then the question that should be asked is who isnt.
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Reiwoldt elite?
Lmao
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Completely agree with Claw...what we got from Titch should be the minimum expected.
Surely Dusty must be close to elite.....Dusty is a game breaker/changer ,those type of players are far and few
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Deledio, Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt.
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Would think Martin is close to if not already elite
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Would think Martin is close to if not already elite
Not at all. Hardly influences games
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Would think Martin is close to if not already elite
Definitely close.
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Deledio, Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt.
Agree Magic.
Dusty's very close. His endurance is getting better but it's not quite there for him IMO to be classed as elite. He's a definite matchwinner though.
Ivan uninjured and playing at his best where he wins his own clearances and follows around the ground is close to elite.
We need the younger brigade of B.Ellis (needs to back up 2014), Flossy, Vickery, Conca & co. to step up if we are to improve from a middle-of-the-run side which doesn't rely on our elite 4-6 most weeks.
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Shane Edwards based on last year.
:lol :lol :lol :santa :help
MARTIN.. :thumbsup
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Deledio, Cotchin, Martin, Maric, Riewoldt, Rance.
Assuming all are 100% fit.
If all are up and firing we are very hard to beat.
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I disagree on Maric. Even fully fit I don't think he's elite, IMO he is overrated. His presence on the field cannot be questioned but to be elite you have to have more than that
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I disagree on Maric. Even fully fit I don't think he's elite, IMO he is overrated. His presence on the field cannot be questioned but to be elite you have to have more than that
Fair enough. Although you have to judge him as a ruckman and when he is playing his best football he is close to the best ruckman in the league. In my eyes that makes him elite for his position.
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I disagree on Maric. Even fully fit I don't think he's elite, IMO he is overrated. His presence on the field cannot be questioned but to be elite you have to have more than that
Understand your point though I don't agree with the overrated bit
I think his presence on field is better defined as being an elite leader which Maric clearly is.
He is an outstanding leader on and off the field and I'll take that in a lot of cases ahead of a super star player. I haven't graded him as "elite" because I thought the criteria the thread was focusing on was the playing side
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Would think Martin is close to if not already elite
Not at all. Hardly influences games
:lol I know you are on A pee take. Martin was clearly very influential in most of our wins.
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so how do people define elite.
there are many many players who have elite traits but lack in some areas of the game. take martin i cant put him in the elite bracket just yet not until he starts to win more contested ball, learns to always run both ways and start to lay tackles consistently.
there are few players who are very good to excellent in all areas of the game who perform almost week in week out at a high standard.
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Sir Claw, elite was first used as a football term by Eddie Everywhere to pat himself on the back for signing up Nayfun! Ergo - Nayfun is elite because I (Ed) paid so much to get him that he must be better than any previous champion footballers. Ed decided that Nayfun was so good that he needed a bigger & better word to describe him!
To describe any player as elite is quite naive, by its definition elite means that that player is the absolute best ever seen in every aspect of the game!
I have seen thousands of footballers in my time & 99.999% of them have at least one fault, one weakness. The closest I have seen to being a fully rounded, genuinely elite player would be Keith Greig! Two Brownlows weren't enough to describe him. The other player who pops to mind as being genuinely elite is Alex Jesaulenko. When compared to those two, all the rest are just average footballers battling against their weaknesses.
Elite when used in football terms is just an example of one-up-manship. Greig was 'brilliant' so Nayfun has to be better than brilliant to satisfy Ed's massive ego. Its a ridiculous term that I wish we could lose from our football language.
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None
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I thought Elite was a Champion Data term where the player is in the top 5% (correct me if I'm wrong) in all statistical categories pertaining to his position.
As for RFC I'd say Cotch, Lids, Rance are definitely there.
JR is there when he is played in the correct position ie no making way for TV in the goal square.
For the future I believe Ellis and Milo are close and my gut feeling tells me Vlastuin will get there in the next couple of years.
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Martin
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Elite: Cotchin, Rance
Close: Deledio, Martin, Riewoldt
Potentials: Ellis
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Vlastuin will be better than Brandon Ellis.
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I disagree on Maric. Even fully fit I don't think he's elite, IMO he is overrated. His presence on the field cannot be questioned but to be elite you have to have more than that
Fair enough. Although you have to judge him as a ruckman and when he is playing his best football he is close to the best ruckman in the league. In my eyes that makes him elite for his position.
Judged as a ruckman in his first year he had an elite/very close to elite year but only one outstanding year (whether from injury or not) isn't enough to be classed elite IMO.
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Sir Claw, elite was first used as a football term by Eddie Everywhere to pat himself on the back for signing up Nayfun! Ergo - Nayfun is elite because I (Ed) paid so much to get him that he must be better than any previous champion footballers. Ed decided that Nayfun was so good that he needed a bigger & better word to describe him!
To describe any player as elite is quite naive, by its definition elite means that that player is the absolute best ever seen in every aspect of the game!
I have seen thousands of footballers in my time & 99.999% of them have at least one fault, one weakness. The closest I have seen to being a fully rounded, genuinely elite player would be Keith Greig! Two Brownlows weren't enough to describe him. The other player who pops to mind as being genuinely elite is Alex Jesaulenko. When compared to those two, all the rest are just average footballers battling against their weaknesses.
Elite when used in football terms is just an example of one-up-manship. Greig was 'brilliant' so Nayfun has to be better than brilliant to satisfy Ed's massive ego. Its a ridiculous term that I wish we could lose from our football language.
What about GAJ?
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Sir Claw, elite was first used as a football term by Eddie Everywhere to pat himself on the back for signing up Nayfun! Ergo - Nayfun is elite because I (Ed) paid so much to get him that he must be better than any previous champion footballers. Ed decided that Nayfun was so good that he needed a bigger & better word to describe him!
To describe any player as elite is quite naive, by its definition elite means that that player is the absolute best ever seen in every aspect of the game!
I have seen thousands of footballers in my time & 99.999% of them have at least one fault, one weakness. The closest I have seen to being a fully rounded, genuinely elite player would be Keith Greig! Two Brownlows weren't enough to describe him. The other player who pops to mind as being genuinely elite is Alex Jesaulenko. When compared to those two, all the rest are just average footballers battling against their weaknesses.
Elite when used in football terms is just an example of one-up-manship. Greig was 'brilliant' so Nayfun has to be better than brilliant to satisfy Ed's massive ego. Its a ridiculous term that I wish we could lose from our football language.
What about GAJ?
Jezza made my list for all those 'Jesaulenko you beauty' moments! Plus playing brilliant football at both ends of the ground as captain/coach. If Lil Gaz plays up forward, takes about 50 massive hangers & kicks a ton I might have to swap them over! Don't worry though, GAJ is right up there in my book, but I'll let him finish his career first & then re-think my order. Notice also that triple Brownlows didn't get Stewart or Skilton into my top 2 ... :P
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How can Cotchin be elite when he does dinky kicks
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I know you are taking the pee chucky, but i wouldn't class cotchins kicking as elite, something you probably need to be regarded as an elite player.
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I know you are taking the pee chucky, but i wouldn't class cotchins kicking as elite, something you probably need to be regarded as an elite player.
So Judd was never elite then?
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borderline but probably not. His kicking at his best was probably better than cotch's, more penetrating anyway.
Im in the school of thought that elite is a term used a bit too freely and only very few footballers would fall into the category, so its not a slight to not regard someone as not elite.
Can you regard a footballer as elite is he is not at least close to elite in the most fundamental aspect of the game?
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Judd was elite in his prime. Surely.
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Al has no idea what he is on about. Chris Judd was a champion, the best player in the land for a couple of years. Richardson was an elite forward who kicked like a Heidelberg reserves depth player. Ridiculous posting
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nice troll
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Gotta love it when someone gets shown up as having no clue they resort to insults. Judging by your work in here al, I suggest you get a .......... Lighten up and stop being so miserable mate :thumbsup
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you crappy coz i didnt follow you over to that other place?