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How Hawthorn fooled Richmond to scoop Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Jordan Lewis in 2004 draft
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
April 05, 2015 7:00PM
VICTORY has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.
So it follows that the fabulous 2004 draft has been shrouded in mystery, misinformation and claims of credit from a hundred different officials.
Hawthorn famously secured the building blocks of its next three flags in Jarryd Roughead (pick 2), Lance Franklin (pick 5) and Jordan Lewis (pick 7).
Yet the definitive inside story is full of twists, turns and dramas and it may surprise to learn who the Hawks might have taken if they had just a single pick.
“At the time Nathan Thompson really felt like he needed a change because he had been battling with his mental issues and when that happened Alastair Clarkson was adamant we needed to get two talls,’’ says football manager John Hook, who would depart soon after that draft.
So would begin a trade/draft masterclass rarely seen now but unheard of a decade ago.
Hawthorn knew it needed a third high selection after receiving picks 2 and 5 after a poor 2004 season and Thompson’s trade added picks 10 and 26.
Yet recruiter Gary Buckenara had pored over the draft and identified two talls — Franklin and Roughead — plus a Geelong Falcon in Lewis who fitted every need.
The problem was Lewis wouldn’t be around at pick 10.
Hook’s masterstroke was to give 10 to Collingwood (who used it on Chris Egan — ouch!) as well as a later pick, accepting pick 7 and Bo Nixon (surplus to requirements but necessary because clubs couldn’t then make pure swaps involving only picks).
“Bucky at the time felt through the footy grapevine Lewis might not last to 10. So we got 10 for Thompson, traded down a few rungs, and it was on,’’ says Hook.
The Hawks had the guns loaded, but needed another slice of genius.
Northern Territory star junior Richard Tambling had stayed with recruiter Buckenara in the lead-in to the draft, and rivals were sure the Hawks were in love with him.
Richmond was so keen on Gippsland tall Roughead the Tigers had already invited him to a post-draft barbecue.
WA colt Franklin, brilliant the previous year but having endured a moderate under-18 season, was the wildcard.
The Hawks knew Richmond would take Brett Deledio at pick 1 and the Dogs would snare Ryan Griffen at selection 3.
Richmond had cooled on Franklin, but if Hawthorn took its first-choice tall in Franklin with selection two Richmond would snare Roughead at pick 4.
Instead, they took Roughead at pick 2, with the player himself shocked to be taken so early given the lack of contact.
Richmond, so desperate for a tall-small combo, had to take Tambling at four.
Some in Hawthorn still believe if the Hawks had just one pick that draft Franklin would have been their man, although Hook isn’t quite as sure.
“We took the calculated punt with Roughead to short-circuit Richmond,’’ says one Hawk insider.
“It was the only way we would get them both.”
“Bucky did such a good job with that draft,’’says Hook.
“They have all been terrific players but also great leaders as well.”
Franklin remains the game’s dominant forward, Roughead’s career speaks for itself and Lewis was the best-and-fairest winner in last year’s premiership season.
And the picks after Hawthorn’s steal? John Meesen (8, Melbourne), Jordan Russell (9, Carlton), Egan (9, Collingwood), Adam Thompson (11, Port Adelaide) and Danny Myer (12, Richmond).
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-hawthorn-fooled-richmond-to-scoop-lance-franklin-jarryd-roughead-jordan-lewis-in-2004-draft/story-fnp04d70-1227292150371
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Is this an article from 2010? :sleep
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Fluff article aimed to wax hawthorn in lead up to season 2015 :wallywink
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We won't see another article like this until the week before the draft.
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Had we had both those players, we wouldn't have known what to do with them anyway, so moot point
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God, stuff, really, this draft is still going on, honestly jurno's.. :sleep :sleep :sleep
What about we talk about how Buddy fooled the Hawks when he left for 1m to play for the Swans.
Or how we fooled the Dees and got Martin.
Or how we fooled the GWS and snared Miles, or how we fooled WCE & Dockers and got McIntosh...
FFS. Move on!!!!
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They probably would have been the best defenders we ever had, but we'd still be scratching our heads wondering why we're still coming 9th
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I know we'll never see them, but would love to read articles on how the hawks took Mitch Thorp over Selwood and Riewoldt, X. Ellis over Pendlebury and Dowler over Ryder.
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Completely untrue, the Hawks wanted Tambling and Roughead so they thought if they took Roughead first then we would take Franklin and they would get Tambling. Prior to the draft they never wanted Franklin, we forced their hand by taking Tambling at four. They were always going to take Tambling at two prior to the draft, it was only the night before where they planned to take Roughead at 2 knowing that he wouldn't be there at 5.
Oh how we stuffed up their little plan! That's the truth, nothing like this article portrays. Why doesn't Ralphy as a good journo ask someone at RFC that was involved at the time like Miller or Wallace if he is a real journo instead of this nothing article.
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Amazing article, news to me. Thanks for sharing.
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Not really big news to fool Richmond recruiters.
If you showed Frankie Jackson your thumb coming off he would be spellbound.
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In 2011 we traded Tambling to Adelaide for two draft picks which netted us McIntosh and Elton so who looks like the big winners now. Hawthorn lost buddy for pick 19 I believe so it will be interesting to see who will be the long term winner.
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Hawthorn won a flag in 2008 Buddy kicked 117 that year and was a Coleman winner or thereabouts in most other years.
We won a spoon in 07 and we're locked and loaded in 09 and had to rebuild from scratch just about post 2009 while Hawthorn finished, 7th, 3rd, 2nd, 1st and 1st in the years since Dimma became our coach. Tambling in the mean time playing timid and scared footy.
The year we traded him to Adelaide, Gunston came to Hawthorn. We got Maric too.
Right now we are somewhere between half way and the promised land probably more closer to half way to be honest.
Success is measured in Premierships.
I know who the winner is. It's 3-0 since the 2004 draft.
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hawthorn didnt rate franklin to not select him at #2 and assume dogs/tigers were going to overlook him twice
imho
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How Hawthorn fooled Richmond to scoop Lance Franklin, Jarryd Roughead, Jordan Lewis in 2004 draft
Jon Ralph
Herald Sun
April 05, 2015 7:00PM
VICTORY has a thousand fathers, failure is an orphan.
So it follows that the fabulous 2004 draft has been shrouded in mystery, misinformation and claims of credit from a hundred different officials.
Hawthorn famously secured the building blocks of its next three flags in Jarryd Roughead (pick 2), Lance Franklin (pick 5) and Jordan Lewis (pick 7).
Yet the definitive inside story is full of twists, turns and dramas and it may surprise to learn who the Hawks might have taken if they had just a single pick.
“At the time Nathan Thompson really felt like he needed a change because he had been battling with his mental issues and when that happened Alastair Clarkson was adamant we needed to get two talls,’’ says football manager John Hook, who would depart soon after that draft.
So would begin a trade/draft masterclass rarely seen now but unheard of a decade ago.
Hawthorn knew it needed a third high selection after receiving picks 2 and 5 after a poor 2004 season and Thompson’s trade added picks 10 and 26.
Yet recruiter Gary Buckenara had pored over the draft and identified two talls — Franklin and Roughead — plus a Geelong Falcon in Lewis who fitted every need.
The problem was Lewis wouldn’t be around at pick 10.
Hook’s masterstroke was to give 10 to Collingwood (who used it on Chris Egan — ouch!) as well as a later pick, accepting pick 7 and Bo Nixon (surplus to requirements but necessary because clubs couldn’t then make pure swaps involving only picks).
“Bucky at the time felt through the footy grapevine Lewis might not last to 10. So we got 10 for Thompson, traded down a few rungs, and it was on,’’ says Hook.
The Hawks had the guns loaded, but needed another slice of genius.
Northern Territory star junior Richard Tambling had stayed with recruiter Buckenara in the lead-in to the draft, and rivals were sure the Hawks were in love with him.
Richmond was so keen on Gippsland tall Roughead the Tigers had already invited him to a post-draft barbecue.
WA colt Franklin, brilliant the previous year but having endured a moderate under-18 season, was the wildcard.
The Hawks knew Richmond would take Brett Deledio at pick 1 and the Dogs would snare Ryan Griffen at selection 3.
Richmond had cooled on Franklin, but if Hawthorn took its first-choice tall in Franklin with selection two Richmond would snare Roughead at pick 4.
Instead, they took Roughead at pick 2, with the player himself shocked to be taken so early given the lack of contact.
Richmond, so desperate for a tall-small combo, had to take Tambling at four.
Some in Hawthorn still believe if the Hawks had just one pick that draft Franklin would have been their man, although Hook isn’t quite as sure.
“We took the calculated punt with Roughead to short-circuit Richmond,’’ says one Hawk insider.
“It was the only way we would get them both.”
“Bucky did such a good job with that draft,’’says Hook.
“They have all been terrific players but also great leaders as well.”
Franklin remains the game’s dominant forward, Roughead’s career speaks for itself and Lewis was the best-and-fairest winner in last year’s premiership season.
And the picks after Hawthorn’s steal? John Meesen (8, Melbourne), Jordan Russell (9, Carlton), Egan (9, Collingwood), Adam Thompson (11, Port Adelaide) and Danny Myer (12, Richmond).
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/how-hawthorn-fooled-richmond-to-scoop-lance-franklin-jarryd-roughead-jordan-lewis-in-2004-draft/story-fnp04d70-1227292150371
That doesn't make sense.
If we wanted a tall-small combo, we would have taken Franklin.
Surely they didn't think Deledio was a tall?
Horrible article as the facts are all wrong!
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I remember the whispers leading up to the draft. We had a massive interest in Roughead. However a few days before I also heard we were likely to take Deledio and Franklin.
Sliding doors moment that one big time…..
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In 2011 we traded Tambling to Adelaide for two draft picks which netted us McIntosh and Elton so who looks like the big winners now. Hawthorn lost buddy for pick 19 I believe so it will be interesting to see who will be the long term winner.
Maybe someone should ring Ralphy boy when he is on with KB on SEN with some facts ;D
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FJ was still watching video highlights packages on his Betamax and had no idea who was good especially anyone interstate. He picked on vibe and the pee&poo played him like a fiddle. :lol
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At the end of the day Buddy would not be at the RFC today regardless. He would not have helped us to a GF win like he did the the Hawks and he would have gone after the money like Ottens did.
We wasted the pick on Tambling. Well we still would have wasted the pick on Buddy!!
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A very true article as Richmond were going to take Roughy but thought 2 mids were better than talls. Roughy is l still say today a better footballer than Franklin & some of you would remember what l post way back then about taking Roughy. It was all the talk at Power. History shows building a team around those 2 big fella's but a Deledio / Roughhead combination would have been great for our club. History now as l'm watching Roughy playing well at this moment. Great footballer.
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wonder if ralphy will post an article next week blowing the whistle on how the tioges thwarted a multi million dollar attempt to poach trent cotchin by the hawks that ended in F A I L U R E :shh
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A very true article as Richmond were going to take Roughy but thought 2 mids were better than talls. Roughy is l still say today a better footballer than Franklin & some of you would remember what l post way back then about taking Roughy. It was all the talk at Power. History shows building a team around those 2 big fella's but a Deledio / Roughhead combination would have been great for our club. History now as l'm watching Roughy playing well at this moment. Great footballer.
.....After 8 seasons of below par performances Richmond are adamant & very happy with how well Roughead has been progressing as a serviceable stuff....
"Look, we are extremely happy with his training & he's a strong voice in the back half ,he does struggle against the bigger bodied forwards but we are hoping he can find the consistency we all know he's capable of..." Hardwick said.
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Yeah we could have stuffed it up. Or maybe taking Franklin with Lids, or even both of Franklin/Roughead could have led to a sustained era of success.
Players prefer success to money unless they can have both generally speaking. Could have been the difference for us.
Either way you look at it, RFC had a job to do that draft and somebody pooped the bed.
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The biggest tragedy of that draft was not picking Lewis with pick 4
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At that point in time i don't think we had the tools to develop someone to transform the talent into elite footballer. Richmond hasn't exactly had a lot of success with tall key position forwards (or backmen) during the wallace era and we would've messed up the development of Franklin or Roughead.
In part I'm sure a lot of you agree, if Deledio was nurtured properly he would be on the same level as Pendlebury or Fyfe. Instead he was left to stagnate under a Wallace era RFC and I'm surprised he hasn't become Jack Watts.
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The biggest tragedy of that draft was not picking Lewis with pick 4
nah TW always had a thing for jockey size midfielders , lewis was way out of the picture
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yep we wanted roughead at 4.
most pundits had the draft going
1 deledio
2 tambling
3 griffen
4 roughhead
5 franklin.
hawthorn had other ideas.
there was plenty of talk at the time that franklin would drop even further because of the percieved bad attitude.i think the club bought into those rumours, i myself got sold by this i really liked buddy as a junior and went off him because of them.
i really liked lewis as well and at one time had him at 4.
FJ was still watching video highlights packages on his Betamax and had no idea who was good especially anyone interstate. He picked on vibe and the pee&poo played him like a fiddle. :lol
cant blame fj for that one wasnt there in 04.
In 2011 we traded Tambling to Adelaide for two draft picks which netted us McIntosh and Elton so who looks like the big winners now. Hawthorn lost buddy for pick 19 I believe so it will be interesting to see who will be the long term winner.
my understanding is in 2010 we received( pick 51 dean macdonald) and adelaides rnd 1 compensation pick that they got for losing bock to the gcs. that compensation pick became pick 26 which we used on todd elton in 2011.
in our dealings with adelaide we then traded 37 for maric in 2011.
in 2012 we traded angus graham and pick 54 for pick 42 which became matt mcdonough.
in 2012 we traded the rnd two nathan krakouer compensation pick to gcs for pick 31 it became kamdyn mcintosh. im not sure how that all came about and how we ended up with the compensation pick, maybe some one can shed some light. some of those compo picks did the rounds.
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The biggest tragedy of that draft was not picking Lewis with pick 4
nah TW always had a thing for jockey size midfielders , lewis was way out of the picture
I don't actually know what your trying to convey here with your comment. The fact that TW had a thing for jockeys doesn't make not picking Lewis at pick 4 any less tragic.
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When will we start reading articles on how we blew it by picking Conca over Heppell
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The John Pitura curse lives on
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When will we start reading articles on how we blew it by picking Conca over Heppell
Those articles are already two years overdue.