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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Stalin on September 01, 2015, 08:44:09 AM
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Very smart
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It's a shame we are stupid
Ross Lyon is a smart man
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It's only smart if it works.......
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It's only smart if it works.......
Rotating the squad after 22 games. So they are fresh or finals
Sounds smart to me
Norf doing it too
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It's only smart if it works.......
Rotating the squad after 22 games. So they are fresh or finals
Sounds smart to me
Norf doing it too
We rotated 40 players - called the bye - and stunk it up the next week.....
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North are trying to manipulate ladder positions so they can avoid playing Adelaide. Cowards.
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Cowards or very smart?
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North are trying to manipulate ladder positions so they can avoid playing Adelaide. Cowards.
That's against the "integrity rules"...
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Cowards or very smart?
5 years ago people thought Dean Bailey's Demons were being smart.
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Cowards or very smart?
5 years ago people thought Dean Bailey's Demons were being smart.
100 years ago they called the guys in ww1 cowards for not wanting to walk from the trench, 400 yard into machine gun fire
melbourne were tanking - not resting playing in an attempt to win the grand final
that is a significant difference
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Who knows, might work, but might also leave them flat and unstable.
All good being fresh for the GF but you've got to get there first.
You want us to rest players this week Stalin? How are we "dumb"?
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Freo did the same thing in 2013 and got pumped by over 10 goals by St.Kilda in last round.
They then travelled to Skilled Stadium and beat Geelong the following week with a full strength squad.
It makes sense to me, you've got 42 players on you list and are untitled to use them how you want.
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100 years ago they called the guys in ww1 cowards for not wanting to walk from the trench, 400 yard into machine gun fire
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Whats that got to do with avoiding playing the Crows ?
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As long as North don't rest players and the ones they bring in try and suck us in and play dirty and we get reports or injuries out of it ... Nothing would surprise me with scott cant stand the bloke hios probably coaching for his job specially if they get knocked out first week of finals... finishing 5 th may not be bad then go to Sydney take swans on then to WA for west coast or the G for Hawks..... :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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I think it'd be dumb for us to rest. How'd we
Play after the bye this year ? Don't recall any premiership team of late resting 11 stuffin players. Disgraceful. Fans pay to go see the best players. If ya can't play 22 rounds without a rest before finals then you shouldn't be playing
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I think it'd be dumb for us to rest. How'd we
Play after the bye this year ? Don't recall any premiership team of late resting 11 stuffin players. Disgraceful. Fans pay to go see the best players. If ya can't play 22 rounds without a rest before finals then you shouldn't be playing
Hawks rest , rotate players all the time
Win heaps of flags
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What about North rest 10 also, GC knock Sydney off and we beat north by 5 goals. Bull dogs knock off lions by 10.
We sit 4th.
Kangas goes to Sydney.
Bulldogs play Adelaide.
North would want to be careful. I honestly hope they rest players. I really do and we smash em by 15 goals.....
Coaching staff would have to be telling players at training, don't worry we rested you blokes for that too happen. Makes the second tier feel real good. Great morale would be around the place.
GO TIGERS!!!!
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Just another grey area of the afl rules and morality.
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You can train players in fitness & skills all year round, but you only get rare opportunities to develop champions!
Players rest when they get tired, but champions get up & win even when they are dog tired & sore.
Players win games with their fitness & skills, but champions win finals & premierships with their sheer will to overcome adversity & you don't develop champion qualities by getting comfortable in the stands!
We have developed our players & that's why we are sitting in the 8 again, but now we have a rare chance to forge some champions! Its a chance we MUST take!
Get out there ... Fight & fight & WIN! :thumbsup
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North Melbourne warned against resting players for final round
Matt Murnane
The Age
September 1, 2015 - 12:07PM
North Melbourne will rest players at their own peril in the final round, and are not good enough to simply "stuff the switch" back on in the first week of finals if they enter September with back-to-back losses against fellow premiership aspirants.
That is the view of goal-kicking legend Jason Dunstall, a man who knows more about finals than most, having won four premierships for Hawthorn as a player and played a crucial off-field role in setting up the club's current successful period.
Media reports have suggested the Roos are considering resting key players for Friday night's match against Richmond, given they cannot fall any lower than their current 8th position and moving any higher with a win over the Tigers could potentially mean a road trip to Adelaide for an elimination final against the in-form Crows.
A loss to 5th-placed Richmond on the other hand, would almost certainly set up a week one showdown with the Tigers, or the Western Bulldogs, probably at the MCG.
The Roos have beaten Richmond in six of their past seven matches, while their only two games against the Crows at Adelaide Oval have produced losses.
While Brad Scott's team knocked off minor premiers Fremantle in round 21 to cap a seven-game winning streak, they lost some momentum by getting over-run by the 6th-placed Western Bulldogs last week.
Dunstall advised North to place a high priority on recapturing the standard they had set before the loss to the Dogs, rather than managing the health of their list.
"You need to be playing your best footy come September," Dunstall said on Monday night, in his role as a panellist for Fox Footy's On The Couch.
"You don't have to be the best team all year to win the flag, you've got to be the best team in September. But you don't just stuff a switch when you get there," he said.
"North need to fight back after a pretty disappointing performance against the Western Bulldogs."
The Roos have not officially declared their intentions on the subject, although veteran Drew Petrie gave an insight into what approach the club might take when asked about the unique situation ahead of the Tigers match.
The key forward seemed adamant that the Roos should not be contemplating anything less than a win, even if it meant the more appealing option of staying in Melbourne next week could be jeopardised.
"Is that how it's going to work?" Petrie responded, when told that a loss to Richmond could mean avoiding a road trip to Adelaide.
"So it's going to be a good thing to lose, you reckon? No, not in these four walls," he said.
"We are just treating it like any other game. We want to be a side that has a winning culture and you want to take good form into the finals.
"After the loss to the Western Bulldogs ... we need to get a win back and finish as high up the ladder as we can."
Despite those comments, players have still been thrown up in the media as possible options to sit out the match at Etihad Stadium to rest bodies that are either sore or fatigued and would benefit from a freshen up before finals.
They include Brownlow Medal contender Todd Goldstein as well as veterans Brent Harvey, Jarrad Waite, Nick Dal Santo, Andrew Swallow and Petrie.
Petrie said on Monday that he would not be rested, adding "I can't wait to play Friday night".
Resting players is high on the agenda this week after Fremantle revealed they had asked permission from the AFL to leave out as many as 11 main squad players for their final round game against Port Adelaide.
The AFL signed off on the Dockers' plans on Monday, however any similar philosophy the Roos might adopt would be handled differently given the result of the North-Richmond match will have a direct impact on the elimination final match-ups, and potentially even the top four picture if Gold Coast were to shock 4th-placed Sydney at the SCG.
Brownlow medallist Gerard Healy was another leading expert who warned that the Roos would find it hard to back up against the Tigers in week one of the finals if they conceded a loss to them this week.
"North Melbourne can't afford to go in [to finals] with two bad losses. Momentum is what it's all about at this time of year," Healy said on Monday night's On The Couch program.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/north-melbourne-warned-against-resting-players-for-final-round-20150831-gjc3ed.html
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UPDATE: RICHMOND says it won’t be distracted by talk of North Melbourne resting a host of key players for Friday night’s mini-final
Stars Todd Goldstein, Drew Petrie and Brent Harvey are possible outs for the Kangaroos in a bid to keep them fresh for the finals.
The Tigers need to win to avoid a trip to Adelaide for an elimination final, but rising star Ben Lennon says he isn’t taking any comfort from the news.
“That’s out of our control,” he said on Tuesday morning.
“We’re just looking forward to playing whoever they put on the park. We’ve just got to stick to our process and play well.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-to-consider-resting-senior-players-before-finals-as-fremantle-confirms-up-to-11-players-will-sit-out-final-round/story-fndv8rij-1227506785318
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The perks of being No.1: Freo rests as Tigers toil
AFL.com.au
September 1, 2015
RICHMOND does not have the luxury of resting players in the final round, although it would probably benefit more than most.
Eleven Tigers have played every game this season, three more than Fremantle, which has declared its intention to rest up to 11 players who played on Sunday ahead of their home qualifying final.
That's the luxury that comes with being six points clear on the top of the ladder with one game to go (something all Richmond fans know is partly their club's fault).
And it's all within the rules.
West Coast, North Melbourne and Adelaide each have seven players to have played every game (the Crows have played one match fewer in 2015, but 19 players have played the past four games), the Sydney Swans six, Hawthorn three and the Western Bulldogs just two.
The opportunity to rest might be a huge advantage because if you count the number of minutes played over the season, then the number of players per club to have played more than 2000 minutes in 2015 is relatively even.
Richmond has 13 players to have played 2000 minutes or more, West Coast 12, Sydney Swans 11, North Melbourne 10, Fremantle and Adelaide nine, Hawthorn eight and the Western Bulldogs seven.
Number of minutes played is the most obvious measure when assessing who might be wilting, but it's just one of the criteria clubs will examine in determining whom to rest.
An experienced AFL conditioning coach told AFL.com.au most players at most clubs would be trailing off to some extent on objective measures, so there would be some art required to determine who needed a break most.
He said clubs were likely to examine GPS data, determining the number of kilometres each player had covered, as well as the time spent at top speed when they were at their best compared to how they were tracking now.
Clubs would also examine wellness data that is collected weekly to identify individuals who might benefit from a break, and take into account any niggling injuries that might improve if given a week away.
However, in the end, he said the biggest benefit of a break might be to virtually eliminate the risk of a key player being injured ahead of the first week of the finals.
Stats provided by Champion Data
Top eight in season 2015
PLAYED EVERY GAME PLAYED >2000min
Fremantle 8 9
West Coast 7 12
Hawthorn 3 8
Sydney Swans 6 11
Western Bulldogs 2 7
Richmond 11 13
North Melbourne 7 10
Adelaide 7 9
Top eight in the past month
PLAYED EVERY GAME PLAYED >400min
Fremantle 15 8
West Coast 14 9
Hawthorn 15 11
Sydney Swans 17 14
Western Bulldogs 14 13
Richmond 18 10
North Melbourne 17 7
Adelaide 19 13
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-01/the-perks-of-being-no1
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UPDATE: RICHMOND says it won’t be distracted by talk of North Melbourne resting a host of key players for Friday night’s mini-final
Stars Todd Goldstein, Drew Petrie and Brent Harvey are possible outs for the Kangaroos in a bid to keep them fresh for the finals.
The Tigers need to win to avoid a trip to Adelaide for an elimination final, but rising star Ben Lennon says he isn’t taking any comfort from the news.
“That’s out of our control,” he said on Tuesday morning.
“We’re just looking forward to playing whoever they put on the park. We’ve just got to stick to our process and play well.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-to-consider-resting-senior-players-before-finals-as-fremantle-confirms-up-to-11-players-will-sit-out-final-round/story-fndv8rij-1227506785318
:facepalm
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In the last round of the NTFL season last season Nightcliff, whose form had been pretty good, rested a heap of players in the last round V southern districts. Districts won by 80 odd points.
The following week they met in an elimination final, districts again won by over 10 goals.
form is a dangerous thing to flirt with.
personally id prefer to get a good win over north this week and meet them first week of the finals rather than lose to them and then have to front adelaide in adelaide next week.
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Richmond won dozen odd games in a row got smashed by port
FReo lost ten goals to saints - made gf I think
Form stuff is a myth
Lol if we play Norf two weeks in a row and they rest best 10 players home and away match
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Let norf rest players. They have just come off a loss where they were completely over run. They're in no position to do it and form isn't a switch. Bring it on.
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Would love to rub it in the face of that characterless vermin club.
The slap in their face will be good.
Hearing their kolo of a coach justify it would be a true Master Card moment. Priceless. :thumbsup
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UPDATE: RICHMOND says it won’t be distracted by talk of North Melbourne resting a host of key players for Friday night’s mini-final
Stars Todd Goldstein, Drew Petrie and Brent Harvey are possible outs for the Kangaroos in a bid to keep them fresh for the finals.
The Tigers need to win to avoid a trip to Adelaide for an elimination final, but rising star Ben Lennon says he isn’t taking any comfort from the news.
“That’s out of our control,” he said on Tuesday morning.
“We’re just looking forward to playing whoever they put on the park. We’ve just got to stick to our process and play well.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-to-consider-resting-senior-players-before-finals-as-fremantle-confirms-up-to-11-players-will-sit-out-final-round/story-fndv8rij-1227506785318
:facepalm
Really? What can possibly be your problem with those comments?
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I don't think RFC are at the point where all the players can stuff "game on" mode at the drop of a hat. Deledio cotchin martin miles rance riewoldt can probably follow the game plan to a T with a week's rest but I dont have that faith in the others. Really think we need to keep our best 22 on the park at all times now
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:lol @ form being a myth
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lol @ H+A form mattering when the finals starts
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Odds tigers come in to $1.25 now ...
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Sounds like it's confirmed
Norf resting ten
Sen radio
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:facepalm
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-poised-to-rest-8-10-players-against-richmond-ahead-of-afl-finals/story-fnia6oc3-1227510514665
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UPDATE: RICHMOND says it won’t be distracted by talk of North Melbourne resting a host of key players for Friday night’s mini-final
Stars Todd Goldstein, Drew Petrie and Brent Harvey are possible outs for the Kangaroos in a bid to keep them fresh for the finals.
The Tigers need to win to avoid a trip to Adelaide for an elimination final, but rising star Ben Lennon says he isn’t taking any comfort from the news.
“That’s out of our control,” he said on Tuesday morning.
“We’re just looking forward to playing whoever they put on the park. We’ve just got to stick to our process and play well.”
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/north-melbourne-to-consider-resting-senior-players-before-finals-as-fremantle-confirms-up-to-11-players-will-sit-out-final-round/story-fndv8rij-1227506785318
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Really? What can possibly be your problem with those comments?
scott said something like - - im going to the best thing for the club, and that is what is best for this club week one of finals
sounds like a better way to go to me
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" AFL has granted permission for norf to rest 10"
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Dogs
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A prime example of the hypocrisy of the AFL. Melbourne FC, Bailey and Connolly each got suspended or fined a huge amount of money for tanking, yet this tanking by Fremantle and North is sanctioned!! It's not only about the resting of players - what if it changes your finishing position on the ladder and means you get a higher draft pick? What about old mate who's had a punt on the game last week, only to find that the information he relied on when placing his bet (that both teams would be trying to win and selected accordingly) has been rendered useless and misleading? This is wrong on so many levels but as is becoming more and more a trademark of the McLachlan era, the leopard that is the AFL hasn't changed one single spot from the dark days of the Vlad era. Rules are made to suit the circumstances at the time and principals or fair play have no place in any decision. Disgraceful. :thumbsdown :thumbsdown :thumbsdown
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Dogs
I don't think they're resting anybody....
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GOOD FOR US!!! :thumbsup
North will get pumped, morale of the club will go from good to bad.
Beat them by heaps the week after, and everyone who is saying well they deserved the right to rest players and its smart will be saying, ohhhh you shouldn't flirt with form!!
Who say's Gold Coast won't pull off one of the biggest miracles of 2015 home and away season.
Go the SUNS!!!
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Petrie claiming he, Boomer Harvey and other older Roos are still playing Friday night.
Roos preparing to rest up to 10 players for clash with Tigers
AFL.com.au
September 3, 2015
NORTH Melbourne has been given permission by the AFL to rest up to 10 players in Friday night's clash against Richmond, declaring fatigue and injury were the club's primary concerns at the selection table this week.
The Kangaroos will face the Tigers in an elimination final in Melbourne if they lose Friday night's clash, but they risk travelling to Adelaide to face the Crows in the first week of finals if they win.
Richmond must seek to win Friday night’s match or it also faces the prospect of travelling to Adelaide for an elimination final if the Western Bulldogs beat the Brisbane Lions and the Crows beat Geelong on Saturday.
If Richmond wins on Friday night, the Crows would likely be unable to improve their ladder position with a win over the Cats, and would have to travel to Melbourne for an elimination final.
Like Fremantle, which will rest up to 11 players in round 23, North Melbourne CEO Carl Dilena said securing a finals spot had given the Kangaroos the right to prioritise preparations for a flag tilt.
"The fatigue and injury status of our players will be the main consideration for team selection this week," Dilena said in a statement on Friday.
"At this stage, our initial assessment indicates that we may look to rest up to 8-10 players that played in round 22 against the Bulldogs.
"We have been in contact with the AFL regarding this process and have been given approval to go down this path should we need.
"Player management is critical all season, but more so now on the eve of another finals campaign."
Speaking before the Kangaroos released their statement on Thursday morning, AFL football operations manager Mark Evans said the League was comfortable with teams resting players as long as they weren't seeking to manipulate aspects of the competition.
"It goes to heart of why they're doing it … I get that if they're doing it because it improves their chance of success," he told Radio Sport National.
"Players at this time of year would be battered around for a while and may have been carrying things for a long period of time.
"If they think [a rest] aids their success and it's not about changing draft order or manipulating something like that – and they're open about it – then I think we understand that."
Dilena said the Kangaroos would stay in touch with the AFL on Thursday ahead of its team selection.
He said the club understood the repercussions the decision would have on VFL affiliate Werribbee, which has qualified for finals but will now be without a number of key players.
"This is an unprecedented situation and we have to do what’s best for our players in the circumstances," Dilena said.
Star forward Drew Petrie told AFL.com.au’s AFL Exchange podcast on Wednesday that the rested players wouldn’t necessarily come from North’s veterans.
“I’m definitely playing, Boomer’s playing, there’s heaps of the old boys playing,” he said.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-03/roos-preparing-to-rest-up-to-10-players
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What's stop Brisbane resting 10-11 of their players this week?
Would make sure of the number one draft pick.
:thumbsup
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What's stop Brisbane resting 10-11 of their players this week?
Would make sure of the number one draft pick.
:thumbsup
Hope not, bullies win by plenty they can go above us
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AFL statement on North Melbourne team selection
AFL.com.au
September 4, 2015
The AFL advises it has been kept informed by the North Melbourne FC of its plans around selection for this weekend's round 23 match against Richmond.
Under the AFL Rules, as detailed earlier this week, North Melbourne is entitled to consider the management of injury and fatigue for its players before the upcoming Toyota AFL Finals series.
The rule states that: Clubs must at all times perform honestly and to the best of their ability in the pursuit only of legitimate competitive objectives. For the avoidance of doubt "legitimate competitive objective" includes the development of the team or players or management of player fatigue or injuries but does not include improving a Club’s draft position, improving a Club’s position with respect to a potential Player exchange or manipulating a Club’s position on the ladder for the purpose of improving its draw within the Finals Series.
It was the AFL's view that the North Melbourne side, having had consecutive six-day breaks, was legitimately managing the fatigue and injury status for their players ahead of the finals next week.
The objective facts and possible combinations of results over the weekend indicate that the club does not have an incentive to lose tomorrow night to manipulate its draw in the finals. As such, the AFL is satisfied North Melbourne's team selection decisions are in pursuit of legitimate competitive objectives.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-03/afl-statement-on-north-melbourne
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'...manipulating a Club’s position on the ladder for the purpose of improving its draw within the Finals Series.'
How is this not exactly what they are doing?
They are clearly throwing the game to avoid playing Adelaide.
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Strange game to watch given the situation
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Strange game to watch given the situation
Agree with this Bents, it was almost surreal and didn't seem fair dinkum at any stage from either side.