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Brisbane Lions pursuing Richmond's David Astbury
Daniel Cherny
The Age
September 21, 2015 - 12:21PM
The Brisbane Lions have their eye on Richmond tall David Astbury.
It's understood the Lions are pursuing Astbury, 24, who has been starved of opportunities in a stable Tigers backline, with Alex Rance and Troy Chaplin holding a strong grip on the key defensive posts.
Astbury has one season remaining on his contract at Richmond, but is believed to be open to a move elsewhere, having played just 41 games in six seasons at Punt Road, during which he has been plagued by a variety of injuries - including a foot issue sustained in a stingray attack early this year, and a season-ending knee ailment in 2014. He has played just four AFL games since mid-2014, and spent the back half of 2015 in the VFL.
The Lions' tall defensive stocks are slim, with Matt Maguire retiring midway through this year following ongoing issues with concussion, Joel Patfull departing for Greater Western Sydney at the conclusion of 2014, and Daniel Merrett getting towards the end of his career. First-year tall Harris Andrews impressed in 2015, but the Lions are believed to be keen to recruit a player in the mid-career bracket. The Lions have indicated that they have salary cap space to acquire players this offseason, and having missed out on Charlie Dixon and recently dropped off Matt Suckling, are looking at other options.
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The Lions are also the favourites to secure Carlton's Tom Bell - who has expressed a desire to return to Queensland. They have also been linked to out-of-contract Collingwood defender Paul Seedsman.
Lions coach Justin Leppitsch worked closely with Astbury during his time as backline coach at Richmond, while assistant Danny Daly also spent time at the Tigers.
Richmond have been in the market for a host of players, most notably Chris Yarran, Adam Treloar and Harley Bennell, and as such may need to discard contracted players in order to land their targets.
Yarran has declared his intent on securing a trade to the Tigers, having informed Carlton of his decision last week.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/brisbane-lions-pursuing-richmonds-david-astbury-20150921-gjr96e.html#ixzz3mL2xQY5u
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Who'd wanna play for them...
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
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Who'd wanna play for them...
The Beams Brothers.
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Chuck in Lennon and our first round '16 for good measure.
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Not bothered about losing Astbury - but gee ....the Brisbane Lions are where football dreams go to die.
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great take him off our hands and we can swap redden or aish for him and we will throw yah our 3 rd round pick this could be good for the tigers gives us an option to do a trade and get a quality player in :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
:gobdrop :gobdrop You're kidding right?
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Gee what a surprise NOT
:rollin :rollin
Reckon it would be an easy deal - just get it done Tigers
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Not bothered about losing Astbury - but gee ....the Brisbane Lions are where football dreams go to die.
Have to disagree. Chaplin is a real liability. Needs to be replaced. Trade Chaplin instead.
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
:gobdrop :gobdrop You're kidding right?
Um why?? When some are saying Yarran for our first pick...
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oh its all relative?
ok, now i understand
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Astbury and our third for Redden. Get it done tigers.
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What are you all thinking?????
Have you no negotiation skills?
Redden and THEIR first round pick for Astbury :thumbsup
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Astbury for McGuane.
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Astbury for McGuane.
Chuck in Andrew Raines and we've got a done deal.
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Raines is at Gold Coast now...will be the steak knives in the Bennell trade....
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Raines is at Gold Coast now...will be the steak knives in the Bennell trade....
Touche. :thumbsup
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Raines is at Gold Coast now...will be the steak knives in the Bennell trade....
Raines retired a week or two back. You might have missed it.
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So did McGuane. Why do you want to spoil our 5 minutes of fun?
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McGuane's retired and Raines is at Gold Coast?
Have I missed something?
Is Dion Scott still available?
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Redden has already nominated he wants to go to wce. If he ends up leaving that is where he will end up. Why do people ignore player wants? after all in most cases what the players want they get.
Dave Astbury, what is a realistic trade?? Well Stef Martin has said he wants to come home to Melbourne for family reasons. Martins age at 29 is a bit of a concern, so to off set that swap our third or fourth round pick for their second pick to round out the trade. We could then use the extra 2nd round pick as part of a trade to get a player like Carlisle.
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Take Batchelor instead!
Keep Astbury!
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Redden has already nominated he wants to go to wce. If he ends up leaving that is where he will end up. Why do people ignore player wants? after all in most cases what the players want they get.
Dave Astbury, what is a realistic trade?? Well Stef Martin has said he wants to come home to Melbourne for family reasons. Martins age at 29 is a bit of a concern, so to off set that swap our third or fourth round pick for their second pick to round out the trade. We could then use the extra 2nd round pick as part of a trade to get a player like Carlisle.
Link please, first I have heard of Redden/WCE??
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Redden has already nominated he wants to go to wce. If he ends up leaving that is where he will end up. Why do people ignore player wants? after all in most cases what the players want they get.
Dave Astbury, what is a realistic trade?? Well Stef Martin has said he wants to come home to Melbourne for family reasons. Martins age at 29 is a bit of a concern, so to off set that swap our third or fourth round pick for their second pick to round out the trade. We could then use the extra 2nd round pick as part of a trade to get a player like Carlisle.
Link please, first I have heard of Redden/WCE??
I have heard that a few times as well, has also been linked to adelaide
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Redden has already nominated he wants to go to wce. If he ends up leaving that is where he will end up. Why do people ignore player wants? after all in most cases what the players want they get.
Dave Astbury, what is a realistic trade?? Well Stef Martin has said he wants to come home to Melbourne for family reasons. Martins age at 29 is a bit of a concern, so to off set that swap our third or fourth round pick for their second pick to round out the trade. We could then use the extra 2nd round pick as part of a trade to get a player like Carlisle.
Redden is NOT out of contract. The club does not have to trade him. He may prefer WCE, but if Brisbane want Astbury and we can organize a swap, all we have to do is convince him to come to us and it will happen. Nominating a club carries much more weight when you are out of contract.
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Is their any spec that Aish could be involved in this ?
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Trade Batchelor to them!
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Agree
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this initiative to be able to trade players to clubs regardless of whether they want them is a good one by the AFL
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Astbury for their 2nd round pick
Huge win for us :yep
Reckon it could happen.
They are going to get some sort of compo for Luenberger...
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Astbury for their 2nd round pick
Huge win for us :yep
Reckon it could happen.
They are going to get some sort of compo for Luenberger...
Is this deal serious? That would be good
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Astbury for their 2nd round pick
Huge win for us :yep
Reckon it could happen.
They are going to get some sort of compo for Luenberger...
Is this deal serious? That would be good
No it's what I'd like to see ;D
But they will be getting some sort of compo for Luenberger
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Astbury for their 2nd round pick
Huge win for us :yep
Reckon it could happen.
They are going to get some sort of compo for Luenberger...
That is not a good deal. First round pick minimum if traded him. Do not believe he should be traded especially when Chaplin is still around and Elton is unproven.
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Well said
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
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No club, outside O Richmond
Would happy to go into a season with only Chaplin, elton as Kp defender options
Obviously as troy is a incredible gimp, and elton is unknown / Unproven / untested
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Should've held onto Big Bad Benny Darrou.
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
Exactly. He isn't worth a 1st round pick.
To get an early 2nd round pick would be a huge win.
We've re-signed Elton for a reason
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Not bothered about losing Astbury - but gee ....the Brisbane Lions are where football dreams go to die.
Things could turn around for the bears but they'd need the zone back so they get Queensland players. They seem to have cultural problems and money problems leading to players leaving for greener pastures. Maybe for Astbury it would be greener. He'd get games at least.
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Swap for Redden and our first round pick!!!!!
Redden has already nominated he wants to go to wce. If he ends up leaving that is where he will end up. Why do people ignore player wants? after all in most cases what the players want they get.
Dave Astbury, what is a realistic trade?? Well Stef Martin has said he wants to come home to Melbourne for family reasons. Martins age at 29 is a bit of a concern, so to off set that swap our third or fourth round pick for their second pick to round out the trade. We could then use the extra 2nd round pick as part of a trade to get a player like Carlisle.
Thats a goid call we need a backup ruck though he is injury prone i do believe.
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Tigers defender on Brisbane’s radar
David Astbury could be one of a few players to go against the grain and make a move north as Brisbane try to minimise the impact of others wanting to leave.
“He has some interest from Brisbane and he has a good relationship with Justin Leppitsch so he might be one who could head there,” said Brett Anderson.
“They’ve said that there are a few players they feel are comfortable and keen to come up to the Lions, along with possibly Tom Bell and a few others.
“I think Richmond supporters would like to see some movement and think their list is a bit stale.”
http://www.sen.com.au/news/09-15/trade-sentral-hartlett-astbury-carlisle
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Brisbane have also been linked to Tigers defender David Astbury, who has been unable to dislodge Alex Rance or Troy Chaplin from their grip on the key defensive posts.
The 24-year-old has managed just 41 games in six seasons at Punt Road and although he has a season remaining on his contract, is believed to be open to a move elsewhere.
He began his career under Leppitsch, who was defensive coach at the Tigers.
Schwab said the speculation was based on Leppitsch’s links with Richmond and revealed he had not met with the club yet.
“There has been no discussions, but he is one you might ask the question about because he hasn’t played this year,’’ he said.
“But he is contracted, so it will be up to Richmond.’’
http://www.themercury.com.au/brisbane-lions-set-to-recruit-geelongs-jarrad-jansen-eye-other-trade-targets/story-fnj3twbb-1227537514814
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No club, outside O Richmond
Would happy to go into a season with only Chaplin, elton as Kp defender options
Obviously as troy is a incredible gimp, and elton is unknown / Unproven / untested
Dont forget that other gimp Batchelor after all the club seems to think he can play tall. What a joke.The lack of even a decent third tall defender probably cost us an elimination final despite the way we played.
What amuses me is a lot of people acknowledge exactly what you say. Yet very few or hardly any contemplate the obvious. In fact most are happy to trade out Astbury further depleting an already poor lot of tall defenders,in both quality and depth, and then would see us do nothing about addressing the tall defender problems that we have and just made worse.
Happy little campers pulling their puds over the likes of Yarran for gods sake.
Two very good key defenders are on offer and it seems no one at richmond wants a crack at em. We should be going hell for leather at Carlisle or Henderson especially if Astbury is on the table. These types of players are not available too often.
Our biggest problem is not mids, its just one of the problems we have. Mids come up every year for trade but high quality key defenders are as rare as hens teeth especially ones that are only 23.
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Seriously doubt we'll get Brisbane's 2nd round pick for Astbury lmao
Honestly I'd take their 3rd round pick for him. This bloke has achieved SFA. No idea why people rate him and want to keep him. He's a solid VFL player at best and after SIX effing seasons isn't even pushing for selection.
TRADE
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
Exactly. He isn't worth a 1st round pick.
To get an early 2nd round pick would be a huge win.
We've re-signed Elton for a reason
Elton has shown nothing at the senior level. He is completely unproven. He is not dominating at the VFL Level. Need to remember that Chaplin is reaching the end of his career. Astbury is a ready made replacement.
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
Exactly. He isn't worth a 1st round pick.
To get an early 2nd round pick would be a huge win.
We've re-signed Elton for a reason
Elton has shown nothing at the senior level. He is completely unproven. He is not dominating at the VFL Level. Need to remember that Chaplin is reaching the end of his career. Astbury is a ready made replacement.
Agree with your points
However, when Rance missed who did the bring in? Elton or AStbury? It was Elton and that was my point. They obviously see long term benefit in Elton ahead of Astbury
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Brisbane have also been linked to Tigers defender David Astbury, who has been unable to dislodge Alex Rance or Troy Chaplin from their grip on the key defensive posts.
I first read this as Brisbane had been trying to dislodge Rance and Chaplin. :'(
Any interest in Chaplin from anyone and we should make a deal.
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Brisbane have also been linked to Tigers defender David Astbury, who has been unable to dislodge Alex Rance or Troy Chaplin from their grip on the key defensive posts.
Any interest in Chaplin from anyone and we should make a deal.
:pray :pray :pray
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
Exactly. He isn't worth a 1st round pick.
To get an early 2nd round pick would be a huge win.
We've re-signed Elton for a reason
Elton has shown nothing at the senior level. He is completely unproven. He is not dominating at the VFL Level. Need to remember that Chaplin is reaching the end of his career. Astbury is a ready made replacement.
Agree with your points
However, when Rance missed who did the bring in? Elton or AStbury? It was Elton and that was my point. They obviously see long term benefit in Elton ahead of Astbury
I would prefer they get rid of Chaplin and keep Astbury and Elton. Astbury was an emergency recently when there was a injury cloud over Chaplin. After that shocking mistake by Chaplin in the elimination final he should be traded forthwith.
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No club in their right mind would give us a first round pick for Astbury.
Exactly. He isn't worth a 1st round pick.
To get an early 2nd round pick would be a huge win.
We've re-signed Elton for a reason
Elton has shown nothing at the senior level. He is completely unproven. He is not dominating at the VFL Level. Need to remember that Chaplin is reaching the end of his career. Astbury is a ready made replacement.
Agree with your points
However, when Rance missed who did the bring in? Elton or AStbury? It was Elton and that was my point. They obviously see long term benefit in Elton ahead of Astbury
I would prefer they get rid of Chaplin and keep Astbury and Elton. Astbury was an emergency recently when there was a injury cloud over Chaplin. After that shocking mistake by Chaplin in the elimination final he should be traded forthwith.
:thumbsup
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The Brisbane Lions are keen to trade for Richmond's David Astbury, but the key defender is contracted to the end of 2016 and the Tigers maintain he is a required player at Punt Road.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-02/trade-whispers-bird-could-fly-from-swans
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Trade for Redden and a third rounder ;D
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Trade for Redden and a third rounder ;D
You took the words right out of my mouth.
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Must've been while you were kissing....
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Must've been while you were kissing....
Don't be a meatloaf! ;D
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Gee it's all going on tonight :lol
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Required? lmao
Unless they consider him a long-term replacement for Chaplin then I don't see how he is required.
McBean ahead of him for 3rd tall FWD, with McKenzie in the making too.
Elton ahead of him for 3rd DEF (IMO) whilst players like Hendersen and Carlisle SHOULD be targeted ahead of them both.
For the love of God if there's any way we could use him in a trade for Redden that should be his only requirement.
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
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Required? lmao
Unless they consider him a long-term replacement for Chaplin then I don't see how he is required.
McBean ahead of him for 3rd tall FWD, with McKenzie in the making too.
Elton ahead of him for 3rd DEF (IMO) whilst players like Hendersen and Carlisle SHOULD be targeted ahead of them both.
For the love of God if there's any way we could use him in a trade for Redden that should be his only requirement.
They only say he is required to drive a harder deal at the trade table.
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True. I doubt Brisbane believes that fluff though.
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
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Clean swap for McStay would be a excellent trade. McStay would come home & we would be rid of a injury riddled player. McStay can take over the forward line from Rewoldt ;D :thumbsup
:gotigers
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McStay would have a lot more currency than Astbury I'd have thought.
If we end up giving up a 2nd rounder in the Yarran trade I'd like to somehow get Brisbane's 2nd rounder if we trade Astbury there. Would probably be happy to give up our 3rd and Astbury for Brisbane's 2nd.
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Brisbane wouldn't let McStay go unless he wanted to come home.
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
is that meant to be funny
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
is that meant to be funny
I'm talking about Smokey's nephew.....NOT ZAC!!!!
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Lolol. Good luck getting him out of Brisbane. He's from there and loves it at the Lions. Would love to see it but a lot would have to go pear-shaped quickly for that to happen! ;D
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
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Correct me if i am wrong but Astbury was blitzing it this year until the sting ray incident
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
? :huh :huh?
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
? :huh :huh?
Don't agree?
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
? :huh :huh?
Don't agree?
Possibly. But what has Elton got to do with this discussion. I'm the one that suggested we try trading Astbury for Dawson. Mainly to please old Smokey.
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Correct me if i am wrong but Astbury was blitzing it this year until the sting ray incident
I agree. Thought Astbury doing well.
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
? :huh :huh?
Don't agree?
Possibly. But what has Elton got to do with this discussion. I'm the one that suggested we try trading Astbury for Dawson. Mainly to please old Smokey.
What the hell are you on about? Look at the quotes dude. Elton was the whole basis of the conversation, me and smokey were "LOLing" at comments about Elton. You then commented on it saying trade for Dawson while never specifying Astbury. Maybe try paying attention for a change
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Elton LOL. Dudes done nothing. Hope he finally does something this year so I can eat my hat but I'm not holding my breath
x 2. Sooooo happy to be proven wrong but I don't get the hype yet.
Maybe we can trade him for Dawson? :pray
Dawson has still shown more positive signs than Elton has.
? :huh :huh?
Don't agree?
Possibly. But what has Elton got to do with this discussion. I'm the one that suggested we try trading Astbury for Dawson. Mainly to please old Smokey.
What the hell are you on about? Look at the quotes dude. Elton was the whole basis of the conversation, me and smokey were "LOLing" at comments about Elton. You then commented on it saying trade for Dawson while never specifying Astbury. Maybe try paying attention for a change
My discussion was to do with trading Astbury for Dawson. You brought up Elton and stated that Dawson has already shown more than Elton. I can't see how that has any relevance to my statement at all. If you can please explain how Elton fits in to trading Astbury for Dawson. Even if your other conversation was about Elton, trading Astbury for Dawson has nothing to do with Elton. I thought the thread was all about Brisbane's interest in Astbury.
And you don't have to be personal with your attacks too. What are the other examples that show that I'm not paying attention? No more than the average poster here including yourself I would have thought. You come across as a angry man with your posts. I suggest you clam down and not be rude to fellow posters. After all we all want Richmond to be successful. Or don't you think I want that?
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I think you're a nice poster Y&BB ;D
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Does anyone seriously think we could get pick 21 for a bloke that that has shown basically next to nothing in 6 odd years except for maybe a 4 week period where he kept an out of form Travis Cloke quiet?
And has been in the rehab group more than any other player over those 6 years?
Pick 41 might be closer to the mark.
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Does anyone seriously think we could get pick 21 for a bloke that that has shown basically next to nothing in 6 odd years except for maybe a 4 week period where he kept an out of form Travis Cloke quiet?
And has been in the rehab group more than any other player over those 6 years?
Pick 41 might be closer to the mark.
This is Brisbane we are talking about. The legend of Crazy Voss lives on
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Does anyone seriously think we could get pick 21 for a bloke that that has shown basically next to nothing in 6 odd years except for maybe a 4 week period where he kept an out of form Travis Cloke quiet?
And has been in the rehab group more than any other player over those 6 years?
Pick 41 might be closer to the mark.
He has never been the same since stepping on the stingray too. You might be able to snag 21 with downgrades of our
2nd and 3rd picks for their 3rd and 4th.
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My discussion was to do with trading Astbury for Dawson. You brought up Elton and stated that Dawson has already shown more than Elton. I can't see how that has any relevance to my statement at all. If you can please explain how Elton fits in to trading Astbury for Dawson. Even if your other conversation was about Elton, trading Astbury for Dawson has nothing to do with Elton. I thought the thread was all about Brisbane's interest in Astbury.
And you don't have to be personal with your attacks too. What are the other examples that show that I'm not paying attention? No more than the average poster here including yourself I would have thought. You come across as a angry man with your posts. I suggest you clam down and not be rude to fellow posters. After all we all want Richmond to be successful. Or don't you think I want that?
Why would you directly quote a conversation about Elton and not think to at least mention Astburys name? I'm really not sure what part you can't comprehend.
I don't know if you're not paying attention or twist things or what but you have a tendency to quote me and just change the topic. Has nothing to do with what I think you want. If I didn't think you cared how RFC performed I'd call you out on it, like I did with Ruined-something.
On an aside, quite funny how that turned out, dude just comes in here every couple of months to pot shot me but further proves my point of him not being a real supporter since he chucked the sulks after the Carlton EF loss :lol
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My discussion was to do with trading Astbury for Dawson. You brought up Elton and stated that Dawson has already shown more than Elton. I can't see how that has any relevance to my statement at all. If you can please explain how Elton fits in to trading Astbury for Dawson. Even if your other conversation was about Elton, trading Astbury for Dawson has nothing to do with Elton. I thought the thread was all about Brisbane's interest in Astbury.
And you don't have to be personal with your attacks too. What are the other examples that show that I'm not paying attention? No more than the average poster here including yourself I would have thought. You come across as a angry man with your posts. I suggest you clam down and not be rude to fellow posters. After all we all want Richmond to be successful. Or don't you think I want that?
Why would you directly quote a conversation about Elton and not think to at least mention Astburys name? I'm really not sure what part you can't comprehend.
I don't know if you're not paying attention or twist things or what but you have a tendency to quote me and just change the topic. Has nothing to do with what I think you want. If I didn't think you cared how RFC performed I'd call you out on it, like I did with Ruined-something.
On an aside, quite funny how that turned out, dude just comes in here every couple of months to pot shot me but further proves my point of him not being a real supporter since he chucked the sulks after the Carlton EF loss :lol
That Rumbah is an absolute stuffing flog that should be banned from getting on the internet
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Our kpd stocks
Rance - 26yo A grade
Chaplin - 30yo Battler
Astbury - 25 yo Battler
Elton - 22yo cant get a kick in the vfl.
Yet people are talking about trading out kpds instead of talking about the very real need to add to them. Unbelievable..
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Does anyone seriously think we could get pick 21 for a bloke that that has shown basically next to nothing in 6 odd years except for maybe a 4 week period where he kept an out of form Travis Cloke quiet?
And has been in the rehab group more than any other player over those 6 years?
Pick 41 might be closer to the mark.
Yeah I seriously do
I don't rate him but other clubs do.
Brissie very interested. Helps that the Lions senior coach rates him highly
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Our kpd stocks
Rance - 26yo A grade
Chaplin - 30yo Battler
Astbury - 25 yo Battler
Elton - 22yo cant get a kick in the vfl.
Yet people are talking about trading out kpds instead of talking about the very real need to add to them. Unbelievable..
Our kpd stocks
Rance - 26yo A grade
Chaplin - 30yo Battler
Astbury - 25 yo Battler
Elton - 22yo cant get a kick in the vfl.
Yet people are talking about trading out kpds instead of talking about the very real need to add to them. Unbelievable..
And you talk about how we keep hacks on our list for so long that they lose all trade value. If Astbury was ever going to amount to anything it would have happened by now. Trade him if somebody is interested.
Chase Carlisle, Henderson and Tomlinson.
Retire Chaplin.
And Grimes is a tall tbh at 193/88. 3rd tall/can play small but a tall nonetheless. Good player too.
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Our kpd stocks
Rance - 26yo A grade
Chaplin - 30yo Battler
Astbury - 25 yo Battler
Elton - 22yo cant get a kick in the vfl.
Yet people are talking about trading out kpds instead of talking about the very real need to add to them. Unbelievable..
Our kpd stocks
Rance - 26yo A grade
Chaplin - 30yo Battler
Astbury - 25 yo Battler
Elton - 22yo cant get a kick in the vfl.
Yet people are talking about trading out kpds instead of talking about the very real need to add to them. Unbelievable..
And you talk about how we keep hacks on our list for so long that they lose all trade value. If Astbury was ever going to amount to anything it would have happened by now. Trade him if somebody is interested.
Chase Carlisle, Henderson and Tomlinson.
Retire Chaplin.
And Grimes is a tall tbh at 193/88. 3rd tall/can play small but a tall nonetheless. Good player too.
And i agree with that. All im saying is if we trade out Astbury it makes it even more imperative we target a kpd or two. There is great need even if Astbury is kept and all he is doing is making up numbers.. . Ive already stated on a thread here that Tomlinson and Carlisle would be a dream trade period for me.
Yep grimes is tall but he is not a Kpd. There is a distinction that needs to be made. I sure hope the club can make that distinction as well. Grimes role within the side has been to play almost exclusively on the smaller fwds this yr and i agree hes done a decent job.
Trade Astbury and do nothing to cover his loss what does it spell out for next year.
Rance, Chaplin and Elton. Who in their right mind except Richmond would go into a season with that group (Stalins words) so few and so little quality just one player. and still expect to be a top 4 contender. Have said it often lose Rance and there is no backline when it comes to talls. Lose rance and you can kiss top 8 good bye yet alone top 4.
Imo the club in the trade period is AGAIN targeting the wrong type of player.
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Does anyone seriously think we could get pick 21 for a bloke that that has shown basically next to nothing in 6 odd years except for maybe a 4 week period where he kept an out of form Travis Cloke quiet?
And has been in the rehab group more than any other player over those 6 years?
Pick 41 might be closer to the mark.
Yeah I seriously do
I don't rate him but other clubs do.
Brissie very interested. Helps that the Lions senior coach rates him highly
...and talls get overs more often than not...
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Chaplin's not going anywhere with one year still left on his contract....just pray we don't offer him another one....
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To thy knackery
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...and talls get overs more often than not...
Aint that the truth :clapping
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Carlton is resigned to losing Tom Bell, but is haggling with the Lions over what he’s worth. The Lions’ second round pick comes early at 21 and it’s next selection isn’t until 39.
http://www.themercury.com.au/james-aish-likely-to-re-sign-with-brisbane-despite-ignoring-clubs-contract-offers/story-fnj3twbb-1227557774727
What will Brisbane do with pick 21 - Astbury or Tom Bell?
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
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Yep grimes is tall but he is not a Kpd. There is a distinction that needs to be made. I sure hope the club can make that distinction as well.
I don't think they can, I think you have hit onto something they cannot see, good work, keep it up
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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Carlton is resigned to losing Tom Bell, but is haggling with the Lions over what he’s worth. The Lions’ second round pick comes early at 21 and it’s next selection isn’t until 39.
http://www.themercury.com.au/james-aish-likely-to-re-sign-with-brisbane-despite-ignoring-clubs-contract-offers/story-fnj3twbb-1227557774727
What will Brisbane do with pick 21 - Astbury or Tom Bell?
Compo for Leuenberger may be at start of 2nd round.
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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I dont understand why people want to trade these big guys that take years to really come good. People complain about Chaplin but we really only have Astbury and Elton as our back up tall backs, we need one of these guys to stand up and take his place, not get rid of them.
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I guess thats half the problem fluffy...to this point in time none have really stood up and challenged chaplin....in the meantime chaplin keeps going on his merry dance ie taking on nimble forwards in finals(sorry folks this one incident has been stamped into my brain)
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what a joke keeping chaplin
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I am more than happy to keep Astbury.
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what a joke keeping chaplin
x5
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He's stuffing slow.
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He's stuffing slow.
yes troy chaplin moves like a Three-toed Sloth
his lack of agility is laughable too
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Depends on what we get.
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Looks like Astbury is definitely going.
It sounded like Rance was saying thanks and good-bye to his mate Dave in his B&F speech - "I wish we could've played more games together".
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Just thinking guys ... what would you think of a direct swap ... Ashbury for Luenberger?
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Just thinking guys ... what would you think of a direct swap ... Ashbury for Luenberger?
Would take it and run...and hope Dan Richardson does a better job of spelling Dave's name on the paperwork than you, lest the AFL void the trade....
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Plays around two games a year . Very expendable . Trade.
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Looks like Astbury is definitely going.
It sounded like Rance was saying thanks and good-bye to his mate Dave in his B&F speech - "I wish we could've played more games together".
Hope not.
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good riddance .....he's crap as a footballer
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Alex Rance gave him a glowing endorsement as a person during his Jack Dyer medal acceptance speech. It seems both are very close mates. I wonder if this plays any part in the club deciding to keep him. FWIW......I think we should keep Astbury as the longer term replacement for Chaplin.
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you know if people want to keep dead wood like Astbury...then we shouldnt complain when we finish mid table....
there must be some ability in a player to develop in the first place, and Astbury has none....no skill...no pace....nothing
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good riddance .....he's crap as a footballer
you know if people want to keep dead wood like Astbury...then we shouldnt complain when we finish mid table....
there must be some ability in a player to develop in the first place, and Astbury has none....no skill...no pace....nothing
Chaplin isn't quite Justin leppitch but, is he
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Lions list manager Peter Schwab on David Astbury: He's contracted so it's up to the Tigers whether they're prepared to deal for him.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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He will stay
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He will stay
They just mentioned on SEN, KB & Waldron, that he will stay
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That's nice
Another year of Vfl
I enjoy watching abc, when they do Richmond games and troy Chaplin is guest commentator.
His refusal to say anything positive about elton or astbury is telling
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Hang on to mediocrity forever - still the Richmond way....meanwhile watch us trade out Lennon....
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He will stay
Not sure about that
IMV He'll be put up for trade
We shall see
Personally, I reckon he will go
He will stay
They just mentioned on SEN, KB & Waldron, that he will stay
Mentioned it before Waldron has no credibility on anything, he is the bloke that almost destroyed the Melb Storm due to the salary cap rorting he implemented and oversaw.
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Hope Astbury doesn't stay.
Another year in the VFL will just diminish whatever trade value he has. He isn't the future, and neither is Chaplin.
Club just needs to man the F up and go after Henderson, Carlisle or Tomlinson. Even Talia FFS.
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Hope Astbury doesn't stay.
Another year in the VFL will just diminish whatever trade value he has. He isn't the future, and neither is Chaplin.
Club just needs to man the F up and go after Henderson, Carlisle or Tomlinson. Even Talia FFS.
Agreed.
Both Ast' and Chappy are poopy.
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you blokes dont think it has anything has to do with the way our vfl side is run and coached?
how many times have we heard Mcbean isnt ready by WP and alike but we still persist with the big girl in griffiths. Half the problem was that pathetic coach we had, so now that he is gone now they should aim and get ratts or choco down there to take over.
I would hate to think what would happen if chaplin goes down. He is not that great but who do we have as a back up, elton? Please.
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Astbury poo
Chappy poo
Astbury may be less poo one day.
Chappy will alway be poo given his an old smelly man
It ain't rocket science
you blokes dont think it has anything has to do with the way our vfl side is run and coached?
how many times have we heard Mcbean isnt ready by WP and alike but we still persist with the big girl in griffiths. Half the problem was that pathetic coach we had, so now that he is gone now they should aim and get ratts or choco down there to take over.
I would hate to think what would happen if chaplin goes down. He is not that great but who do we have as a back up, elton? Please.
Yep
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Brisbane are likely to get a second round compensation pick for losing free agent Leuenberger. That'll give them picks 21 & 22. Presumably, one of these would be offered for Astbury if he is traded.
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Take it and RUN seriously. Trade for Yarran, keep pick 12...
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Brisbane are likely to get a second round compensation pick for losing free agent Leuenberger. That'll give them picks 21 & 22. Presumably, one of these would be offered for Astbury is he is traded.
Would be rapt if this happened
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Effectively Yarran for Astbury. I guess you have to take it, but I still see Astbury coming good before long.
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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I dont understand why people want to trade these big guys that take years to really come good. People complain about Chaplin but we really only have Astbury and Elton as our back up tall backs, we need one of these guys to stand up and take his place, not get rid of them.
You also need to be able to judge weather players will be good enough and will stand up inside a reasonable time frame. Astbury is yet to get anywhere near Chaplins standard except on the odd occasion and most people want to see the back of Chaplin.
Surely 6 years is long enough to make a sound call either way the club obviously thinks Astbury will stand up, they have far too often got this wrong though for any sane person to have confidence in their decision making.
Personally i think pick 21 is more than fair for Astbury based on his six year history and what he has done to date. Obviously we would then use pick 21 to facilitate the Yarran trade. It seems to me it would be a reasonable outcome for all clubs involved.
The only trouble is we obviously have not looked at tall players in this off season which is damning and shows list management is still not working well, It may mean if we traded Astbury it would only leave Elton in the wings and i dont think we can go into a season with only three kpds on the list.
Imo they have backed themselves into a corner where they have made it very hard to do a trade involving any of our talls.Ah richmond and list management eh.
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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I dont understand why people want to trade these big guys that take years to really come good. People complain about Chaplin but we really only have Astbury and Elton as our back up tall backs, we need one of these guys to stand up and take his place, not get rid of them.
You also need to be able to judge weather players will be good enough and will stand up inside a reasonable time frame. Astbury is yet to get anywhere near Chaplins standard except on the odd occasion and most people want to see the back of Chaplin.
Surely 6 years is long enough to make a sound call either way the club obviously thinks Astbury will stand up, they have far too often got this wrong though for any sane person to have confidence in their decision making.
Personally i think pick 21 is more than fair for Astbury based on his six year history and what he has done to date. Obviously we would then use pick 21 to facilitate the Yarran trade. It seems to me it would be a reasonable outcome for all clubs involved.
The only trouble is we obviously have not looked at tall players in this off season which is damning and shows list management is still not working well, It may mean if we traded Astbury it would only leave Elton in the wings and i dont think we can go into a season with only three kpds on the list.
Imo they have backed themselves into a corner where they have made it very hard to do a trade involving any of our talls.Ah richmond and list management eh.
mcbean is yet to get anywhere near vickerys standard either
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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I dont understand why people want to trade these big guys that take years to really come good. People complain about Chaplin but we really only have Astbury and Elton as our back up tall backs, we need one of these guys to stand up and take his place, not get rid of them.
You also need to be able to judge weather players will be good enough and will stand up inside a reasonable time frame. Astbury is yet to get anywhere near Chaplins standard except on the odd occasion and most people want to see the back of Chaplin.
Surely 6 years is long enough to make a sound call either way the club obviously thinks Astbury will stand up, they have far too often got this wrong though for any sane person to have confidence in their decision making.
Personally i think pick 21 is more than fair for Astbury based on his six year history and what he has done to date. Obviously we would then use pick 21 to facilitate the Yarran trade. It seems to me it would be a reasonable outcome for all clubs involved.
The only trouble is we obviously have not looked at tall players in this off season which is damning and shows list management is still not working well, It may mean if we traded Astbury it would only leave Elton in the wings and i dont think we can go into a season with only three kpds on the list.
Imo they have backed themselves into a corner where they have made it very hard to do a trade involving any of our talls.Ah richmond and list management eh.
mcbean is yet to get anywhere near vickerys standard either
McBean, an absolute disgace he has not been given a go, we need to find out about him and playing him in the 2s week after week is just pitiful, to say he is no wbere near vaporubs standard is a huge bow to draw
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I must be the only one who thinks trading Astbury for pick 21 in this weak draft or just to get that pick to pass it on for Yarran is way too cheap. I'm also not a fan of trading a tall for a small if he is part of the Yarran trade. Relying on an unproven Elton as a back-up key defender is a major concern too.
Astbury's problem has been he's twice suffered season-ending injuries. Prior to each of those two injuries, he was in good form in our backline. When were struggling in the first half of 2014, he would've been one of the few Tigers playing well.
Agree.
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I dont understand why people want to trade these big guys that take years to really come good. People complain about Chaplin but we really only have Astbury and Elton as our back up tall backs, we need one of these guys to stand up and take his place, not get rid of them.
You also need to be able to judge weather players will be good enough and will stand up inside a reasonable time frame. Astbury is yet to get anywhere near Chaplins standard except on the odd occasion and most people want to see the back of Chaplin.
Surely 6 years is long enough to make a sound call either way the club obviously thinks Astbury will stand up, they have far too often got this wrong though for any sane person to have confidence in their decision making.
Personally i think pick 21 is more than fair for Astbury based on his six year history and what he has done to date. Obviously we would then use pick 21 to facilitate the Yarran trade. It seems to me it would be a reasonable outcome for all clubs involved.
The only trouble is we obviously have not looked at tall players in this off season which is damning and shows list management is still not working well, It may mean if we traded Astbury it would only leave Elton in the wings and i dont think we can go into a season with only three kpds on the list.
Imo they have backed themselves into a corner where they have made it very hard to do a trade involving any of our talls.Ah richmond and list management eh.
mcbean is yet to get anywhere near vickerys standard either
McBean, an absolute disgace he has not been given a go, we need to find out about him and playing him in the 2s week after week is just pitiful, to say he is no wbere near vaporubs standard is a huge bow to draw
Yeah that what I was getting at
How can McBean Arnot astbury show something if never , given a decent run in the senior side in a similar position ?
Even when playing well in the twos
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
U might think different if rance does a knee in r 2
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
U might think different if rance does a knee in r 2
Nope can't base trade decisions on "what if" scenarios
Besides unlike the lions who do rate Astbury, I don't rate
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
U might think different if rance does a knee in r 2
Nope can't base trade decisions on "what if" scenarios
Besides unlike the lions who do rate Astbury, I don't rate
What?
Of course u can
Why do u think teams have 5/6 ruck man not two on the list
Why do we have Thomas
You cannot prevent bad luck to key players - you can have basic cover for all positions
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What?
Of course u can
Why do u think teams have 5/6 ruck man not two on the list
Why do we have Thomas
You cannot prevent bad luck to key players - you can have basic cover for all positions
I actually have no idea why we have Thomas, :snidegrin
But I agree clubs need "basic" cover for positions and we have the basic cover, we may not like who that cover is but we have it
So I'lll repeat it....
No I would not say NO to or stop a deal eg Astbury for pick 21 because Player A may do their knee in round 3. You don't pass on good deals that will improve your list because you're afraid of something that might happen
Beside IIRC all the so called experts said the Eagles season was over before it began when they KPP back whent down pre-season and early but last time I checked they made the GF
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
U might think different if rance does a knee in r 2
Nope can't base trade decisions on "what if" scenarios
Besides unlike the lions who do rate Astbury, I don't rate
You may not, but i think most people do base trade decisions on what ifs. It is a part of looking at both depth and quality and is a big part of list management imo. If you lack numbers or quality or both in an area you must address the need. Injuries will impact a teams chances and a club must ask if it has adequate cover for certain players.
Even if we keep all of our talls we are lacking in the area both quality and the numbers.
Clearly the clubs thinking is the same as yours and what happens is we never truly address list needs.
It is a disgrace that those in charge cannot see the list deficiencies that are hitting them in the face. One reason They continually fail in this is because too often they over rate the players we have.. It is an even bigger disgrace to place so much reliance on one player which is what is happeneing in most areas. If they are chasing top 4 as they say, it would be criminal if they can't ask themselve's what if we lose Rance? How big a gap is it to the replacement player?. Besides imo you need two top notch tall defenders not one which makes not going after any of the talls up for trade even more disgraceful. They are truly blind to the lists problems.
Imo they continue to get so much wrong in recruiting and list management and making finals has made it worse.
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Give him to them for Big Lue. Astbury is worthless
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lose Astbury we need to replace him with a tall backmen, lose Rance/Chappy long term we are relying on Batch/Dea (prob playing both which is a disaster)as well as Elton (jury still out). for this reason i say we keep him but if the deal is too good to refuse take it
To me an early 2nd rounder eg Brisbane's is too good a deal to pass up....
And BTW I'd be surprised if Dea is there next year
U might think different if rance does a knee in r 2
Nope can't base trade decisions on "what if" scenarios
Besides unlike the lions who do rate Astbury, I don't rate
You may not, but i think most people do base trade decisions on what ifs. It is a part of looking at both depth and quality and is a big part of list management imo. If you lack numbers or quality or both in an area you must address the need. Injuries will impact a teams chances and a club must ask if it has adequate cover for certain players.
Even if we keep all of our talls we are lacking in the area both quality and the numbers.
Clearly the clubs thinking is the same as yours and what happens is we never truly address list needs.
It is a disgrace that those in charge cannot see the list deficiencies that are hitting them in the face. One reason They continually fail in this is because too often they over rate the players we have.. It is an even bigger disgrace to place so much reliance on one player which is what is happeneing in most areas. If they are chasing top 4 as they say, it would be criminal if they can't ask themselve's what if we lose Rance? How big a gap is it to the replacement player?. Besides imo you need two top notch tall defenders not one which makes not going after any of the talls up for trade even more disgraceful. They are truly blind to the lists problems.
Imo they continue to get so much wrong in recruiting and list management and making finals has made it worse.
It's disgraceful
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Redden to eagles for pick 17.
Maybe astbury to liona for pick 17
Pick 17 to blues for yarran.
Not sure if that is what will happen. Win for us. But.id be using puck 17 for better reasons.
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wot?
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A 2nd round pick for Astbury you would take.
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Not happening....
Richmond has reiterated their decision not to trade key backman David Astbury despite some interest from clubs. A deal will be done this week to move young GWS midfielder Jacob Townsend to Punt Road.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...e-carlisle-20151012-gk7aji.html#ixzz3oLVsRI1q
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Q. What's fair trade value for Astbury?
Max Laughton (@dshban) - Low second, high third round pick maybe?
Q. With the Lions looking at Astbury and Leppa being a huge fan of him, Any chance the Tigers possibly do a trade of Pick 12 and Astbury for the Lions compo pick and their second rounder?
So Pick 12 and Astbury for 17 and 22? And then ontrade one of those picks for Yarran?
Max Laughton (@dshban) - Not outrageous I think.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-essendon-st-kilda-carlton-collingwood-headline-major-trade-action/story-fnj3twbb-1227566957748
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You have got to be stuffing kidding me.
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Q. What's fair trade value for Astbury?
Max Laughton (@dshban) - Low second, high third round pick maybe?
Q. With the Lions looking at Astbury and Leppa being a huge fan of him, Any chance the Tigers possibly do a trade of Pick 12 and Astbury for the Lions compo pick and their second rounder?
So Pick 12 and Astbury for 17 and 22? And then ontrade one of those picks for Yarran?
Max Laughton (@dshban) - Not outrageous I think.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-essendon-st-kilda-carlton-collingwood-headline-major-trade-action/story-fnj3twbb-1227566957748
I agree its not outrageous it is stuffing outrageous, dont mind getting a pick for Arseberry but not down trading our 12 and even using a 20 something pick for Yarren.........meh
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Not happening....
Richmond has reiterated their decision not to trade key backman David Astbury despite some interest from clubs. A deal will be done this week to move young GWS midfielder Jacob Townsend to Punt Road.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...e-carlisle-20151012-gk7aji.html#ixzz3oLVsRI1q
And the club wonders why we are doing this :banghead
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And why were doing this :banghead :banghead
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And this :banghead :banghead :banghead
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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I would like to know how many games he'll play next year.
Kicking gift horses in the mouth. The Richmond way.
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We're not willing to swap Astbury for Brisbane's pick 21.
David Astbury weighing up move to Brisbane Lions
SAM EDMUND, MICHAEL WARNER
Herald Sun
October 13, 2015 8:00PM
FRUSTRATED Richmond defender David Astbury is considering a move to the Brisbane Lions.
Astbury is contracted, but is tempted to join a Lions team screaming out for key position reinforcements.
The Tigers are keen to keep the 24-year-old despite overlooking him for selection for much of this season.
Astbury could yet emerge as the circuit-breaker in Richmond’s bid to prise Chris Yarran from Carlton.
The Blues are demanding Richmond’s first-round pick — presently No.12 — for contracted speedster Yarran.
Carlton has rejected Richmond’s offer of pick 31 for Yarran, but the Lions have 17 — received from West Coast for Jack Redden — and 21.
One scenario would see Astbury move in a three-way trade between the Blues, Lions and Tigers.
The Tigers are adamant they will not swap Astbury directly for pick 21.
Brisbane also retains an interest in Carlton’s Tom Bell and, to a lesser extent, his teammate Levi Casboult.
Astbury has tired by a lack of opportunity at Punt Road, with Alex Rance and Troy Chaplin this year holding a grip on the key defensive posts.
Astbury’s relationship with former Richmond assistant and now Lions coach Justin Leppitsch is also a factor.
The defender has been unlucky with injury.
He missed the start of this season after being stung by a stingray, and was leading the Tigers’ 2014 best-and-fairest when he dislocated his patella against Melbourne in Round 9.
That setback came after he suffered the same injury on his right side midway through the 2011 season.
Astbury could manage only four games this year for a total of 41 across six seasons.
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-david-astbury-weighing-up-move-to-brisbane-lions/story-fnj3twbb-1227567964988
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Now that is a beautiful article :clapping
What about Astbury and our 2nd round pick for Aish and pick 17 ;D
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Francis Jackson needs to be sacked ASAP. Obviously they have no faith in him to put pick 21 to good use, otherwise this deal should be done already.
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Francis Jackson needs to be sacked ASAP. Obviously they have no faith in him to put pick 21 to good use, otherwise this deal should be done already.
Correct.
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Brisbane remains interested in Richmond key defender David Astbury, who is contracted to the Tigers for next year, but the Lions have indicated they are not interested in moving picks 17 or 21 for him. Astbury could yet shape as a component in deal to trade Chris Yarran from Carlton to Richmond.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/afl-trades-2015-fremantle-starts-warming-to-harley-bennell-trade-20151013-gk89is.html
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Francis Jackson needs to be sacked ASAP. Obviously they have no faith in him to put pick 21 to good use, otherwise this deal should be done already.
Can't have a deal if the other side (aka Bris) wont part with pick 21 for him and our side (aka) the RFC playing pointless games and saying he isn't up for trade
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Francis Jackson needs to be sacked ASAP. Obviously they have no faith in him to put pick 21 to good use, otherwise this deal should be done already.
Can't have a deal if the other side (aka Bris) wont part with pick 21 for him and our side (aka) the RFC playing pointless games and saying he isn't up for trade
So you wait until that above article comes out before you quote me :lol
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Richmond wont let him go for 21? LMAO
And Brisbane won't trade 21 for Astbury? Well that makes a lot more sense than Richmond's standpoint...
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my take on it is Bris have offered 21 & we said no.
lost Astbury & we need to get a replacement in, can't be having Rance or Chappy injured & be relying on Elton or Dea....
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is dea getting delisted or not ?
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is dea getting delisted or not ?
Matt Dea is on track to be the first AFL listed player whom gets a contract which has half the money included outside the salary cap as a veteran
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my take on it is Bris have offered 21 & we said no.
lost Astbury & we need to get a replacement in, can't be having Rance or Chappy injured & be relying on Elton or Dea....
If thought the article above said they wouldn't part with 17 or 21 or am I missing something ::)
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my take on it is Bris have offered 21 & we said no.
lost Astbury & we need to get a replacement in, can't be having Rance or Chappy injured & be relying on Elton or Dea....
If thought the article above said they wouldn't part with 17 or 21 or am I missing something ::)
You may not be missing anything but your Mail man clearly is :o
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Richmond has indicated to the Lions it will consider trading key defender David Astbury to the Gabba, but only for:
(a) pick No.21 on its own; or
(b) pick No.17, with the Tigers to pass No.31 back to the Lions.
The Lions received pick No.17 from West Coast for Jack Redden, and Richmond could eye it as a possible circuit-breaker as it attempts to satisfy Carlton's demands for Chris Yarran.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-10-14/trade-wrap-treloar-deal-close-pies-leading-howe-race-hawk-in-demand
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Good to hear. Get rid of Astbury then get Tomlinson over to the club!
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Then play him out of position in the twos
To accommodate one of Dimmas dud mates
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Then play him out of position in the twos
To accommodate one of Dimmas dud mates
:lol
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Dan Richardson on Astbury:
We're aware Brisbane has some interest, we're very reluctant to let him go.
If it's an opportunity that's too good for him and us to knock back, then that's potentially something we'll look at.
He's been very transparent about the interest from Brisbane.
We still feel as though Astbury could play plenty of senior footy for us.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
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Dan Richardson on Astbury:
We're aware Brisbane has some interest, we're very reluctant to let him go.
If it's an opportunity that's too good for him and us to knock back, then that's potentially something we'll look at.
He's been very transparent about the interest from Brisbane.
We still feel as though Astbury could play plenty of senior footy for us.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
= he's gone.
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Dan Richardson on Astbury:
We're aware Brisbane has some interest, we're very reluctant to let him go.
If it's an opportunity that's too good for him and us to knock back, then that's potentially something we'll look at.
He's been very transparent about the interest from Brisbane.
We still feel as though Astbury could play plenty of senior footy for us.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
= he's gone.
= I agree ;D
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Dan Richardson on Astbury:
We're aware Brisbane has some interest, we're very reluctant to let him go.
If it's an opportunity that's too good for him and us to knock back, then that's potentially something we'll look at.
He's been very transparent about the interest from Brisbane.
We still feel as though Astbury could play plenty of senior footy for us.
https://twitter.com/traderadio
= he's gone.
= I agree ;D
Yarran for Astbury then. Thats a good trade.
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Tigers right in the hunt for Yarran
richmondfc.com.au October 15, 2015 3:08 PM
Richmond is closing in on a deal that will secure a trade from Carlton for clever playmaker Chris Yarran.
The Tigers’ General Manager of Football, Dan Richardson, confirmed the two clubs were making progress in their negotiations.
“I understand people probably wanting it to happen a bit sooner,” he said on ‘AFL Trade Radio’.
“We respect Carlton’s position . . . they feel Chris is worth a first-round pick.
“Obviously, in the initial stages, our first-round pick is either pick 12 this year, or you could look at future picks as well.
“We think he’s worth a pick around the 16-17 mark, perhaps even early 20s. But Carlton have asked for a first-rounder . . . We respect that and that’s what we’re working to do.
“And, we’re just pursuing other avenues to be able to be able to achieve that, other than giving up the picks that we currently hold.
“We think those options are getting closer and we’re really confident Chris will end up at the Tiges.”
Richardson also clarified the situation with key defender David Astbury, who has attracted significant interest from Brisbane.
“Dave’s contracted with us next year and, as a key defender and a terrific person around the Club, we’re very reluctant to let him go,” Richardson said.
“But we’ll wait and hear what Dave’s situation is. If it’s an opportunity for him that’s too good for him to knock back and, equally, may assist us in other ways, then that’s potentially something we’ll look at.
“He hasn’t told us he wants to move on. He’s certainly been very transparent, to his credit, and so has his management – Alex McDonald – about the interest from Brisbane.
“Look, he was clearly frustrated this year that he didn’t quite get the opportunities that he had have hoped, having started last year really well, then obviously badly injuring his knee.
“At 24 years of age, he just wants to play regular senior footy now, and that’s fair.
“We still feel as though he could quite easily play plenty of senior footy for us, and perhaps was a bit stiff this year with some injury concerns and selection not going his way at times.
So, we’ll work our way through that.”
Article from RFC Website
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-15/tigers-right-in-the-hunt-for-yarran
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Yarran is not worth pick 16-17. Fmd
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'We respect that and that's what we're going to do'
How about he's not worth a first rounder and GFY?
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Yarran is not worth pick 16-17. Fmd
Would you give 16-17 for Jed Anderson?
lol norf
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David Astbury and Ryan Bastinac to visit Brisbane Lions
Emma Quayle & Jake Niall
The Age
October 15, 2015 - 5:37PM
Richmond defender David Astbury and North Melbourne midfielder Ryan Bastinac have flown to Brisbane, where they will meet with Lions officials on Friday.
The Lions are one of a handful of clubs interested in Bastinac, who has two years to run on his contract with North, while Astbury could help the Tigers secure Carlton's Chris Yarran.
Brisbane, Richmond and the Blues are exploring a deal that would see the Lions secure Astbury and Tom Bell, Richmond land Yarran and Carlton add some more draft picks to their collection.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-trade-period-2015-david-astbury-and-ryan-bastinac-to-visit-brisbane-lions-20151015-gka7le.html
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I would enquire about Bastinac personally
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I would enquire about Bastinac personally
Yep, me too
Fits our criteria "need over name"
But seriously he's a good player, worth a look
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I would enquire about Bastinac personally
Yep, me too
Fits our criteria "need over name"
But seriously he's a good player, worth a look
Well its a sure thing we won't look at him now.. ;D
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I would enquire about Bastinac personally
Yep, me too
Fits our criteria "need over name"
But seriously he's a good player, worth a look
Well its a sure thing we won't look at him now.. ;D
:lol WAT you Cynic. ;D
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Bastinac is a Poor mans Brandon Ellis.
Soft as butter, pea heart no run.
Couldn't break into Norths side late because they new he'd be a liability in finals.
There is a good reason why Brisbane are the only side looking at him....
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Brett Anderson on SEN just now:
* (As we already know) Astbury in Brisbane weighing up his future.
* If a trade is done then it'll likely be Astbury + pick 31 for pick 17.
* Pick 17 will then be on-traded for Yarran.
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Not sure I'm happy with that, should just be a straight swap for pick 21. Wouldn't mind hanging on to pick 31.
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Not sure I'm happy with that, should just be a straight swap for pick 21. Wouldn't mind hanging on to pick 31.
Agreed, first round and end of first round picks are all the more valuable in weak drafts.
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Id rather keep 12 and 17 than 12 and Yarran
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yeah, with you on that tony. if we can get a sub 20 pick for astbury take it to the bank
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if we are nearly getting a first rounder for astbury id be taking that and running really not worth that at all its a steal give 17 to carlton for yarran keep 12 and hopefully we have 3 new blokes in the team come round 1 next year yarran, townsend and draft... The draft is weak as this year quality up to about 25 at most.. Think we have done well. Hopefully there maybe another smokey on its way to the tigers before next thursday
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Well it could be heating up
From Twitter Jen Phelan suggesting Astbury is having a medical
@AFL_JenPhelan: Astbury having medical at BL today. Tigers expect decision soon, would be disappointed to lose him but respect his position #TradePeriod
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I guess when a good trade gets done neither party are happy with the deal. Will be dissapointed to let him go, reckon he had a fair bit left to improve, but on paper Yarran for Astbury is a solid trade.
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I'd have Dave on one leg in the side before I'd even contemplate letting Chaplain run out in the 1st's ever again.
That said if they get the deals done because of the Astbury deal & we keep our 1st ND pick then all's good in my book.
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Agree would rather use 17 in the ND. This is what happens when your list management tries to please the enemy like this.
Astbury for 21 --> trade for Yarran.
If we're trading pick 31 for 17 let's go to the draft and pick up a KPP or ruckman. One of these blokes maybe (from 2015 draft thread, cheers one-eyed):
19. Kieran Collins ...... Key Defender (194cm, 100kg, Dandenong Stingrays, Vic Country)
20. Harry McKay ........ Tall Forward (200cm, 95kg, Gippsland Power, Vic Country)
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Bastinac is a Poor mans Brandon Ellis.
Soft as butter, pea heart no run.
Couldn't break into Norths side late because they new he'd be a liability in finals.
There is a good reason why Brisbane are the only side looking at him....
Yep couldn't agree more, our boys in the midfield in the final got smashed by roos men in the midfield, last thing I would want to do is bring in a softie
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Astbury will be Brisbane's next Mcguane....people that rate him are seriously demented.....just like those who dont rate yarran..pea brains you deserve a club that finishes in the bottom 4 filled with the crap players you rate as stars
chaplin no world beater but was part of one of the best defences in the league
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Brisbane was busy preparing deals with four players at the Gabba for medical assessments.
Carlton’s Tom Bell, North Melbourne’s Ryan Bastinac, Richmond’s David Astbury and Geelong’s Josh Walker all visited the Lions on Friday.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-trades-2015-day-five-wrap-of-exchanges-gws-giants-busy-richmond-no-adam-treloar-deal/story-e6frf3e3-1227570690378
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Astbury will be Brisbane's next Mcguane....people that rate him are seriously demented.....just like those who dont rate yarran..pea brains you deserve a club that finishes in the bottom 4 filled with the crap players you rate as stars
chaplin no world beater but was part of one of the best defences in the league
Well said.
:cheers
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Astbury will be Brisbane's next Mcguane....people that rate him are seriously demented.....just like those who dont rate yarran..pea brains you deserve a club that finishes in the bottom 4 filled with the crap players you rate as stars
chaplin no world beater but was part of one of the best defences in the league
Well said.
:cheers
you sure its not troy thats the demented one ?
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lol like a fox to a squealing rabbit
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Yarran will walk away from football within two years....
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Chaplin already walks away from the football
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Gunna get bagged for saying it. I have always thought of Bastinac as a real talent.I would rather we went after him than Yarran.
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They're both shyte.
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Bastinac is very vanilla footballer
Slow and small. Pass
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Bastinac is very vanilla footballer
Slow and small. Pass
Is that it i expected more.
In reply to other posts, I still think it imperative if we trade Astbury we bring a bloody decent kpd into the club. Surely people realise we cant go into a season with just two ESTABLISHED KPDs Rance, Chaplin.
I would be happy to see us trade him but in doing so we would need to address the even greater need in the area that trading him will create.
All this talk about Yarran and not one person asking do we have the answer at our club already. FFS they are talking about him coming off hb yet i can envision two kids we have who would be ideal in the role of running half backs.
In fact h/b is one area i would have thought we have numerous options yet we go after Yarran. Deledio, B Ellis, Menadue, McIntosh, plus Houli Vlastuin who already plays there.
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Defender David Astbury is expected to join the Brisbane Lions in a deal that is likely to include Brisbane’s pick 21. That pick will be on-traded to Carlton to finalise the Chris Yarran deal.
http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-premiership/afl-trades-2015-richmond-strike-deal-for-jacob-townsend-from-gws-giants/story-e6frf3e3-1227571548547
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Bastinac is very vanilla footballer
Slow and small. Pass
Is that it i expected more.
In reply to other posts, I still think it imperative if we trade Astbury we bring a bloody decent kpd into the club. Surely people realise we cant go into a season with just two ESTABLISHED KPDs Rance, Chaplin.
I would be happy to see us trade him but in doing so we would need to address the even greater need in the area that trading him will create.
All this talk about Yarran and not one person asking do we have the answer at our club already. FFS they are talking about him coming off hb yet i can envision two kids we have who would be ideal in the role of running half backs.
In fact h/b is one area i would have thought we have numerous options yet we go after Yarran. Deledio, B Ellis, Menadue, McIntosh, plus Houli Vlastuin who already plays there.
B Ellis off HB... :bow come on mate, he is softer than Houli and that's saying something. You do realise as a defender you need to DEFEND first and foremost, and then try and create. And Menadue isn't even close to being ready to play off HB.
Yarran will play forward imo. And that's a need we have had for a long time.
Going into a season without Astbury will just mean one less player in the rehab group. ive said it before, let's get our 22 right first before we trying to get depth into our reserves side.
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Chaplin already walks away from the football
Not when it's Nahas, he runs to embrace him.
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:lol
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Claws' assessments of players are odd sometimes.
Yarran = too soft.
Bastinac = real talent.
Different marking criteria for different players it seems.
Bastinac is just as soft as Yaz and far less talented. At least Yaz can really hurt teams when he's on. Bastinac's best is just OK.
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players that play for, or are earmarked to play for richmond are normally marked different to those from other clubs
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Claws' assessments of players are odd sometimes.
Yarran = too soft.
Bastinac = real talent.
Different marking criteria for different players it seems.
Bastinac is just as soft as Yaz and far less talented. At least Yaz can really hurt teams when he's on. Bastinac's best is just OK.
dunno, yarren is pretty soft
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players that play for, or are earmarked to play for richmond are normally marked different to those from other clubs
Need 42 all time greats on the list to even come close to a decent list :banghead :banghead
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players that play for, or are earmarked to play for richmond are normally marked different to those from other clubs
Need 42 all time greats on the list to even come close to a decent list :banghead :banghead
can you win a flag coached by hardwick with hampson, chaplin, grigg earmarked as best 22 players?
:whistle
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lol,
when are you going to bring grigg and chaplin into a conversation on the politics or science thread?
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Grigg & Chaplin are C.I.A operatives....we lost to North because they are puppets of Mossad agent Goldstein.....who are in cahoots with with the Maronite Christian militias in Lebanon.....hence the Nahas turnover goal.... :shh
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I knew there was an explanation for that goal
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lol,
when are you going to bring grigg and chaplin into a conversation on the politics or science thread?
That's jus the primary issues as I see it;
Is the key back depth suffice with rance and not much else?
Are the ruck department going to compete with an ageing Maric as not much else
Can bachelor continue to compete against 7 footers?
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When does Batchelor play on Sandilands?
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When does Batchelor play on Sandilands?
hRT got the hyperbole ball rollin
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When does Batchelor play on Sandilands?
Batch will kill him, the RCGG says he plays tall... :whistle :whistle :whistle
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When does Batchelor play on Sandilands?
Batch will kill him, the RCGG says he plays tall... :whistle :whistle :whistle
How many talls beat him this year :whistle :whistle
Oh sorry I forgot, you rather see him play on a Rioli or Garlett
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It is understood Brisbane have cooled on Astbury, who now appears less likely than Bell or Bastinac to join the club.
If that is the case it will mean the Tigers have to examine other ways to get a draft pick high enough to satisfy Carlton for Chris Yarran.
http://www.theage.com.au/afl/trading-and-drafting/afl-trading-2015-pick-26-the-key-to-james-aish-deal-20151017-gkbo40.html
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It'd be interesting to know what the reason is that Brisbane have all of a sudden cooled on Astbury. Did his medical go okay? Has Dave simply changed his mind and now wants to stay at Tigerland? Or is it something else?
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They realised he's not that good....
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They watched his highlight reel......
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...twice because someone blinked the first time...
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It'd be interesting to know what the reason is that Brisbane have all of a sudden cooled on Astbury. Did his medical go okay? Has Dave simply changed his mind and now wants to stay at Tigerland? Or is it something else?
Medical?
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Trade him out. On here we bag the incumbents and want them traded so blokes like Arnot, donuts and astbury can get a game. Truth is, they should be knocking the door down. When they got their chances they didn't take it or got injured. We have too many on our list that we want to keep as a replacement but they have had long enough, didn't show enough and need to make room for someone who might do their job better. Trade astbury and happy with other delistings too.
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It'd be interesting to know what the reason is that Brisbane have all of a sudden cooled on Astbury. Did his medical go okay? Has Dave simply changed his mind and now wants to stay at Tigerland? Or is it something else?
Medical?
Yes as part of his visit on Friday he took a medical
It'd be interesting to know what the reason is that Brisbane have all of a sudden cooled on Astbury. Did his medical go okay? Has Dave simply changed his mind and now wants to stay at Tigerland? Or is it something else?
Don't think it has anything to do with his medical. leppa would have a great handle on his medical history etc so not sure it if would impact at all.
Just think Dave should take one for the team ;D
Seriously though if Astbury has "changed his mind" then i reckon he is pretty foolish. Unless of course he is happy running around playing VFL every week. This season proved he isn't deemed to be in our best 22-26 so why stay? Going to Te Lions basically guarantees him senior AFL footy every week...won't have that at Tigerland
Other interesting thing is the Age saying Lions have "cooled" but the HUN haven't changed their reporting imitate all. Will be interesting to see what hapens tomorrow
Trade him out. On here we bag the incumbents and want them traded so blokes like Arnot, donuts and astbury can get a game. Truth is, they should be knocking the door down. When they got their chances they didn't take it or got injured. We have too many on our list that we want to keep as a replacement but they have had long enough, didn't show enough and need to make room for someone who might do their job better. Trade astbury and happy with other delistings too.
Terrific post
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of course we should trade him, but perhaps the medical showed up something the lions didnt like. Leppa has been out of our club for a few years now.
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Don't think it has anything to do with his medical. leppa would have a great handle on his medical history etc so not sure it if would impact at all.
It's all well and good to know about his history but if they found something in a scan that they deem not worth the risk that changes it completely
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yeah yeah yeah
none of you idiots know.
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From Twitter
NAB Trade Radio@traderadio
Schwab on Astbury: "He came up to see our facilities but at this stage it isn't going to happen." #NABTradeRadio
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Exceptionally disappointing
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From Twitter
NAB Trade Radio@traderadio
Schwab on Astbury: "He came up to see our facilities but at this stage it isn't going to happen." #NABTradeRadio
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Exceptionally disappointing
hmmm. I'd love to know what's turned them off. Gammy knees?
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maybe the feel sorry for us being left with bachelor, elton and chaplin
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Richmond are shopping Astbury around. Not huge interest. Brisbane interested but won't give much. #NABTradeRadio #AFLTrades
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
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Richmond are shopping Astbury around. Not huge interest. Brisbane interested but won't give much. #NABTradeRadio #AFLTrades
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
I'm not sure we'd get much for him now. Probably better just to keep.
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is that really suprising????
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Richmond are shopping Astbury around. Not huge interest. Brisbane interested but won't give much. #NABTradeRadio #AFLTrades
https://twitter.com/AFLTradeWhisper
I'm not sure we'd get much for him now. Probably better just to keep.
If you could somehow still snag late 2nd rounder or an early 3rd rounder for him you'd still take it.
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...twice because someone blinked the first time...
:lol
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From Twitter
NAB Trade Radio@traderadio
Schwab on Astbury: "He came up to see our facilities but at this stage it isn't going to happen." #NABTradeRadio
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Exceptionally disappointing
hmmm. I'd love to know what's turned them off. Gammy knees?
They only offered pick 2 and 17. We weren't happy with it.
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From Twitter
NAB Trade Radio@traderadio
Schwab on Astbury: "He came up to see our facilities but at this stage it isn't going to happen." #NABTradeRadio
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Exceptionally disappointing
hmmm. I'd love to know what's turned them off. Gammy knees?
They only offered pick 2 and 17. We weren't happy with it.
Can confirm this. We insisted on Matty McGuire to sweeten the deal. Brisbane hung up the phone because they thought it was a prank call.
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The media don't know why either ...
Q. Hi Chris, fellow lions fan.. Do u know why Astbury fell over? Did he fail medical? I feel that Astbury feels a bigger need than Bastinac? Thoughts?
Chris Vernuccio - not sure why, maybe roos are easier to deal with than the tigers...but i agree that astbury fills a greater need
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-live-chat-follow-day-7-trade-activity-as-it-happens/story-fnj3twbb-1227575163210
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I asked Peter Schwab about why Brisbane went cool on Astbury. Here's his response ...
@mightytiges - What made Brisbane go cool on trading for Tiger David Astbury? #AskSchwabby
@brisbanelions - Other priorities #AskSchwabby
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What bollocks....they badly need another KPD.
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Brisbane badly need to fix every position on the park .
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Denham stating that Lions offered 3 years on 'good' money and that Astbury's management wanted a 4 year deal on top dollar to move.
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Denham stating that Lions offered 3 years on 'good' money and that Astbury's management wanted a 4 year deal on top dollar to move.
If that's true then Dave is on foolish young man
Very foolish
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Astbury probably didn't want to go.
Maybe he sees Chaplin's days coming to an end?
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Astbury probably didn't want to go.
Maybe he sees Chaplin's days coming to an end?
Probably going to cost his life earnings quite a few 6 figures.
Whomever is his manager has done a disservice
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Well lets hope Dave can get his act and injuries together next year.
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I'm happy with keeping astbury. At least we know he has the ability to
Play as he's proven. Just about consistency. I think ( hope ) that 2016 will be chaplins last year.
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Always good to keep a whipping boy on
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Always good to keep a whipping boy on
And we added Yarren too :santa
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how long until i will have to add yarran to my sig?
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Astbury and Edwards in the gym today continuing on with rehab :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Instagram.
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how long until i will have to add yarran to my sig?
...or the surname of Carlton's pick 19 in combination with the headbanging emoticon...
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I'm happy with keeping astbury. At least we know he has the ability to
Play as he's proven. Just about consistency. I think ( hope ) that 2016 will be chaplins last year.
Totally agree. Needs to be given a chance now retaining him. Needs to take his chances.
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how long until i will have to add yarran to my sig?
:lol
:thatsgold
:cheers
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how long until i will have to add yarran to my sig?
...or the surname of Carlton's pick 19 in combination with the headbanging emoticon...
Carlscum still believe they will go somewhere with Murphy & Gibbs. The Spoon proved otherwise :snidegrin They will sign a few more duds cause there are no more Judds :santa