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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: one-eyed on October 09, 2015, 10:21:20 PM
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RICHMOND has conceded defeat in its pursuit of a big name star and turned its attention to Greater Western Sydney hard nut Jacob Townsend.
Townsend, 22, has played only 28 games in four seasons at the Giants and only one this year because of injury and lack of opportunity.
“We have two needs that we have identified — one a rebounding defender, which is hopefully (Carlton’s) Chris Yarran, and the other is an inside midfielder,” Tigers football boss Dan Richardson said on Friday.
“Ideally we would have liked to have got an elite mid like (Adam) Treloar, but that’s not going to happen.
Asked if the club would still attempt to land a star midfielder during next week’s trade period, Richardson said: “You never say never, but the reality is we’ve been connected to everyone. Some of it’s true and some of it’s not. If we can bring those two players in we’ll be quite happy.”
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-richmond-shows-interest-in-gws-midfielder-jacob-townsend/story-fnj3twbb-1227563687972
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Well played Tigers , ace our r1 selection like we do ea year and I'll be a happy man :clapping
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FAIL
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Well played Tigers , ace our r1 selection like we do ea year and I'll be a happy man :clapping
Oh yeah like Conca.. :lol :lol :lol :lol
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:facepalm
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RICHMOND has conceded defeat in its pursuit of a big name star and turned its attention to Greater Western Sydney hard nut Jacob Townsend.
Townsend, 22, has played only 28 games in four seasons at the Giants and only one this year because of injury and lack of opportunity.
“We have two needs that we have identified — one a rebounding defender, which is hopefully (Carlton’s) Chris Yarran, and the other is an inside midfielder,” Tigers football boss Dan Richardson said on Friday.
“Ideally we would have liked to have got an elite mid like (Adam) Treloar, but that’s not going to happen.
Asked if the club would still attempt to land a star midfielder during next week’s trade period, Richardson said: “You never say never, but the reality is we’ve been connected to everyone. Some of it’s true and some of it’s not. If we can bring those two players in we’ll be quite happy.”
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-richmond-shows-interest-in-gws-midfielder-jacob-townsend/story-fnj3twbb-1227563687972
FAIL
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Yesss!!! :clapping
bring on the meltdown
do it, do it, do it.
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:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :chuck :chuck :chuck :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :banghead :scream :scream :help :help :help :banghead :banghead
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Just remember people, it was not us, me or anyone else other than the RFC that said they had the war chest and they were going to land a big fish...so...
RICHMOND has conceded defeat in its pursuit of a big name star
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Grrrrr :banghead rrrrrrrrr :banghead rrrrrrrrrrr :banghead rrrrrrrrrr
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Agreed, couldnt get what we wanted so should have blown the budget on anything available to satisfy the need.....
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Well gee whiz.....couldn't see this coming.....
Actually more concerned that - as I already knew -we're looking to play Yarran of half back....obviously pinning a lot of hopes on those guns, Lloyd, Gordon and the kid Butler to meet our desperate small forward needs next year....or will Supercoach go to the Morris well once again? Can hardly wait! :gotigers
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wasnt there something very recently that they were looking to play yarran as a forward, or was that just some nupties view?
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Well gee whiz.....couldn't see this coming.....
Actually more concerned that - as I already knew -we're looking to play Yarran of half back......obviously pinning a lot of hopes on those guns, Lloyd, Gordon and the kid Butler to meet our desperate small forward needs next year....or will Supercoach go to the Morris well once again? Can hardly wait! :gotigers
i thought they would at least bumble on into trade week and lie about it at the end
this is a new strategy
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Go RFC tell us about the big fish and the war chest again for next year..... :lol :lol :lol
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wasnt there something very recently that they were looking to play yarran as a forward, or was that just some nupties view?
Think many people just assumed we were as it's arguably our most pressing need....but given what the club's been saying since about halfway through the year with regards to needing more run & creativity of half back - and also that it's where he's played most of his football - I thought it was fairly obvious that down back is where our intentions for him always were...
..of course that could all change over the course of the pre-season but I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if it did....
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The only big name player we had a genuine chance of landing was Teloar and we fought tooth and nail for him. Something may eventuate, can we just wait and see?!
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wasnt there something very recently that they were looking to play yarran as a forward, or was that just some nupties view?
Think many people just assumed we were as it's arguably our most pressing need....but given what the club's been saying since about halfway through the year with regards to needing more run & creativity of half back - and also that it's where he's played most of his football - I thought it was fairly obvious that down back is where our intentions for him always were...
..of course that could all change over the course of the pre-season but I'd be (pleasantly) surprised if it did....
pretty sure i read recently a statement that they were looking to play yarran as a forward, just cant remember if it was from someone whithin RFC or just a another internet nuffer
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It was Brendon Gale at the B&F, so that means he will play wing no doubt.
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What did u all expect?
These duds have let us down three years in a row during trade week, a 4th was eneviable. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting s different result. We need a new team!!!!!
We crap ourselves in trade week just like elemination finals
What annoys me more is that we haven't used free agency to upgrade our mega duds like Batchelor, Chaplin and Hampspud.
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It was Brendon Gale at the B&F, so that means he will play wing no doubt.
I must've missed that.....interesting.... maybe the CEO was thinking like the fans and not the football department.....in which case you have to wonder about the lines of communication and if things are perhaps not running as smoothly at the club as we've all been led to believe?
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What did u all expect?
These duds have let us down three years in a row during trade week, a 4th was eneviable. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting s different result. We need a new team!!!!!
We win crap ourselves in trade week just like elemination finals
true.
edit, just gotta love when mods edit a post that changes what you say completely. thanks :thumbsup
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Does that mean we have more money to pay Grigg & Griffiths & Batchelor & Hamspud etc? :rollin
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Does that mean we have more money to pay Grigg & Griffiths & Batchelor & Hamspud etc? :rollin
contract extensions; Gordon, Chaplin, Thomas
:clapping
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Does that mean we have more money to pay Grigg & Griffiths & Batchelor & Hamspud etc? :rollin
Yes it does, and I'm sure that is exactly what will be done with it
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The term 'shallow draft' seems to have done something to people's heads. We have pick 12. That gives us a chance of drafting a really good kid with our first pick. Sure, this is no 'super draft', but that doesn't mean we should trade off our first rounder because we let a stupid buzz term get into our heads!
Pick 12 = Best available kid, thanks! ::)
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Does that mean we have more money to pay Grigg & Griffiths & Batchelor & Hamspud etc? :rollin
Yes it does, and I'm sure that is exactly what will be done with it
Not only do I think it will happen I am hoping it does
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Agreed, couldnt get what we wanted so should have blown the budget on anything available to satisfy the need.....
I'm actually over this big fish rubbish, as I know players just want to be part of a losing organisation but you gotta admit the strangest part in that whole article is he said we will back Maric and Hampson in.
Really, no further additions to our elite ruck stocks or forward line? How could they not even attempt to get Zac Smith in.
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Agreed, couldnt get what we wanted so should have blown the budget on anything available to satisfy the need.....
I'm actually over this big fish rubbish, as I know players just want to be part of a losing organisation but you gotta admit the strangest part in that whole article is he said we will back Maric and Hampson in.
Really, no further additions to our elite ruck stocks or forward line? How could they not even attempt to get Zac Smith in.
without trawling through previous posts, is there anything that says we didn't try to get Zac Smith? I mean, we may have enquired and been told very early not to bother.
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I have seen no where to suggest we have and in the great mans dans words not mine
"We will back Maric and Hampson in" which suggest they won't ever bother about it for another 12 mths
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BOOM goes the dynamite
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Agreed, couldnt get what we wanted so should have blown the budget on anything available to satisfy the need.....
I'm actually over this big fish rubbish, as I know players just want to be part of a losing organisation but you gotta admit the strangest part in that whole article is he said we will back Maric and Hampson in.
Really, no further additions to our elite ruck stocks or forward line? How could they not even attempt to get Zac Smith in.
To be honest I'm not that upset we haven't gone after a ruckman. I still think Maric has at least one or two decent years left in him and with Vickery about to help out that's ok by me. If a ruckman isn't Nic Nat, Goldy or Sandilands, the rest Maric can compete with ok.
The ruckman getting thrown up are all injury prone and all would be a sencond ruck to Maric for now. We have bigger list problems than this at the moment. Draft or rookie a young kid this year and when Maric is done you never know?? Other clubs seem to do it.
Although after saying all that I'd enquirer about swapping Conca for Lycett..
Ruckman come up every year for trade so I just think unless one jumps out (pardon the pun) at us, we wait until we really need one.
I'd be doing the USA ruckman experiment like St.Kilda and Collingwood if it were up yo me. Freak athletes that could compete against Nic Nat.
On another note, not really fussed about Aish either. Haven't really seen anything that tells me he is worth our first round pick or decent money. Collingwood can have him!
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epic fail richmond. Stuffing Amatuers
:banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead :banghead
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Never like this appointment of Richardson he is a former player manager never worked in a club.Time for Hartley to go to now we're after fringe players ffs pee poor effort by the club even clubs like saints recruit a big fish now that's how bad we got.
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Big fish aside
Yarran
Townsend
Henderson
Tomlinson
Smith
Lycett - trade for Conca
Why aren't we chasing the latter four? Forget Danger, Bennell, Treloar, Carlisle - they either want too much money or are guaranteed going elsewhere.
If Geelong needs to trade for Dangerfield then they surely can't fit Smith AND Henderson in via trade. Richmond should be going after both, with a mind to snag one or the other. A ruck or KPD. Very much in need!
Conca has run his race in my eyes - offer in a trade to WCE for Lycett.
Townsend should be cheap, 3rd rounder, grab him. Big body, 186/89. Just do it!
Trade Griffiths and Astbury, see if we can get 2nd round picks for them.
Keep our first pick and use the in-traded picks for Griff/Astbury to help get Yarran....
FMD
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Cause Dimma penny Hartley and friends
Reckon Hampson and Chaplin are wonderful players
http://oneeyed-richmond.com/forum/index.php?topic=22994.0
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That's stuffn hilarious.
What a poo club.
I'm off the idiots for good.
Hope they finish 9th again in 2016....it's all they deserve.
Club president is a stupid woman with Nfi . What a joke.
Brandon Gale is another stuffn joke. stuff him off.
Recruiters - the biggest joke.
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LOL It was always going to happen.
Pleased we are going at Townsend we need a big inside mid.
Disappointed we are after Yarren if we give up more than our second round pick for him i will spew.There are better options for rebounding h/b within our own club imo. We just need to develop them in the role. There are also better options at other clubs who dont really get a game.
Why are we not trying to dislodge lesser players like Kerridge, Litherland, Seedsman? There are players at most clubs who arent getting a go.
Hope we are looking at Jarrad Redden with a late nd pick.
Hope we are now trying to improve our ND position by trading a player or two given we no longer are after THE BIG FISH LOL.
I am still bemused they fail to see the need to go hard at tall players. Failure to even identify the need is criminal. Tomlinson, Carlisle, Henderson are all players who should have been the clubs priority this off season.
As far as i can discern, they have not offered good money to lure players or offered up decent players to facilitate a fair deal.It seems they continue to rate ordinary players highly which has to be a concern.
Failed again to land a quality med/sml fwd. Clearly they are content with what they have. I hope SJ is on the radar.
Yep overall nothing new here at the rfc.
If i had a crystal ball i would say right at this minute clubs will catch us and go past us and we will be lucky to stay a middling club. It is not as if we are miles in front of any club as it is.
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Agreed, couldnt get what we wanted so should have blown the budget on anything available to satisfy the need.....
I'm actually over this big fish rubbish, as I know players just want to be part of a losing organisation but you gotta admit the strangest part in that whole article is he said we will back Maric and Hampson in.
Really, no further additions to our elite ruck stocks or forward line? How could they not even attempt to get Zac Smith in.
yeah, that is concerning
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
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WP who is on your "trade out"list?
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
hopefully by 2029 it will pay off
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
Didn't Dimma say we tried that last year & the player(s) involved didn't agree to the move ?
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WP who is on your "trade out"list?
The ones you'd get rid of are obvious but they have zero value
We need to be brave and if the deal is right bite the bullet and trade one of our better players
Outside of Our A graders, eg Cotchin, Lids, Jack, Rance and Martin. And perhaps Grimes & Vlastuin I'd listen to any deal put in front of me
If the deal was brilliant eg 1st round pick this year and 2 rd pick from next year then I'd consider it.
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I think most clubs adopt this philosophy other than us
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
Didn't Dimma say we tried that last year & the player(s) involved didn't agree to the move ?
yeah, i think so. His numerous statements that players should be able to be traded without their consent seems to fall in line here.
As for trading out players, In recent times we have hardly had an abundance of players with trade value to warrant this.
You are likely simply robbing peter to pay paul, and unless you are getting top 20 picks, quite possible going backwards.
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We have players now that have value, we as supporters may not think they do but other clubs do.
If we can get a pick earlier by trading out, then you'd be foolish not to look at it IMV. If say port Adelaide came to us and offered their first round pick for say Eliis B, wouldn't you consider it? Ditto Gold Coast?
As for a 1st round pick after ours, again if say Conca would get us Freo's or the Eagles 1st round pick why wouldn't you do it or at least consider it?
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i did say in recent times
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
Agree.
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More than pick 16-17, wow I don't think anybody really rates him that high at all...
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
Well, unfortunately for you no club would offer anything better because they're run by men who know a stuffn shitman when they see one.
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:nopity
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
Agree.
Wowee!
You both think Conca is worth better than pick 16?.... In the National draft?
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wowee, I do
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
Agree.
Wowee!
You both think Conca is worth better than pick 16?.... In the National draft?
Wowee yep, others sides rate him. Reckon could do a 1st rounder and afuture pick
Just like I reckon we can a 2nd rounder of astbury
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Who cares, he is not going anywhere, none of them are, we have the next GF side and Grigg, Conca, Batch, Hampson, B Ellis and Griff will be all be part of it.. :chuck :facepalm :biglaugh
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If we can get a 1st for Conca and a 2nd for Astbury we should take it and run, never look back.
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If we can get a 1st for Conca and a 2nd for Astbury we should take it and run, never look back.
Yep but who'd give a first for conca
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There are no first rounders left from other clubs, most have gone on the big fish of the comp :snidegrin...for this year and next. :snidegrin
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and despite what most think of conca, I'd want more than pick 16 or 17. i would take the risk on Freos 1st pick from next year though.
Agree.
Wowee!
You both think Conca is worth better than pick 16?.... In the National draft?
Wowee yep, others sides rate him. Reckon could do a 1st rounder and afuture pick
Just like I reckon we can a 2nd rounder of astbury
A first rounder and a future pick! Double wowee!!
I think this is a classic example of over rating our players.
Unless you have a link to where you got this great news.
It may not be that bad a trade period after all.
:gotigers
Maybe we could swap Griff for Fyfe and a future pick too?
Get it done!
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wowee, I do
Good for you. We are all entitled to our opinions. Cant see it though he is worth maybe a decent 2nd round pick at best.
Cmon your in carge of another clubs list based on what you have seen and his actual performances what would you offer up. A first rounder wow. id love to do business with ya.
AH opinions like arseholes we all have em.
The only thing we need take note of is our opinions are no more worthy than the next mans or womans of course.
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Well that's your opinion....
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Go for talent.
Keep 1st round pick.
Keep Lennon.
:thumbsup
Corey Ellis will be an A-grade midfielder.
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another corey ellis would indeed be nice
however that still leaves holes in the ruck, tall backs, other areas, and a club that openly doesnt acknowledge them
interesting times
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
Do you know of there are any ollie wine / Daniel rich types that will make an immediate impact
One Woud assume not, as it is apparent a weak draft pool
We're you preferring the best available talent if we indeed we upgrade our draft pick for once, or a specific position? Ie small forward
What is the grander reason for wanting what you say?
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
Why is that do you think. Maybe just maybe they have no confidence in the nd outside of the first round.
I agree with you the likes of B Ellis, Griffiths/vickery, Conca, Astbury should be on the table. But we all know it wont happen under this current regime for all the wrong reasons.
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There are no first rounders left from other clubs, most have gone on the big fish of the comp :snidegrin...for this year and next. :snidegrin
LOL that is golden.
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Funny cause it's trueeee
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As always at trade time I'm actually more interested in who we ship out rather than who we bring in.
I'm still hoping we ship someone with value to get a better draft position, doubt we will as we never do. That where we really fail IMHO. We show no guts in trading our players out to try and get better
Why is that do you think. Maybe just maybe they have no confidence in Francis Jackson outside of the first round.
I agree with you the likes of B Ellis, Griffiths/vickery, Conca, Astbury should be on the table. But we all know it wont happen under this current regime for all the wrong reasons.
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Who and how we trade had nothing to with Jackson.
Think you are drawing a long bow to suggest it has anything to do with lacking confidence in who we select after round 1 in the draft.
Remembering that it is a fearless list manager who does the assessing of our list and who tells our recruiters which type of players we need so therefore who to follow/target. Now I know that doesn't suit the bagging of our recruiters but that's how it works. How do I know this? Because at a function where Blair was the speaker he told us that's how it works
So ultimately Trades are the domain of Blair & Dan and history tells us that they haven't for what ever reason had the guts in the last 2 years to trade anyone off our list with value.
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Who and how we trade had nothing to with Jackson.
Think you are drawing a long bow to suggest it has anything to do with lacking confidence in who we select after round 1 in the draft.
Remembering that it is a fearless list manager who does the assessing of our list and who tells our recruiters which type of players we need so therefore who to follow/target. Now I know that doesn't suit the bagging of our recruiters but that's how it works. How do I know this? Because at a function where Blair was the speaker he told us that's how it works
So ultimately Trades are the domain of Blair & Dan and history tells us that they haven't for what ever reason had the guts in the last 2 years to trade anyone off our list with value.
And who interestingly has been unsighted this trade period. I don't recall Blair doing one media interview with Dan taking over all duties.
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And who interestingly has been unsighted this trade period. I don't recall Blair doing one media interview with Dan taking over all duties.
Yes, noticed that myself...
Interesting indeed ;D
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Who and how we trade had nothing to with Jackson.
Think you are drawing a long bow to suggest it has anything to do with lacking confidence in who we select after round 1 in the draft.
Remembering that it is a fearless list manager who does the assessing of our list and who tells our recruiters which type of players we need so therefore who to follow/target. Now I know that doesn't suit the bagging of our recruiters but that's how it works. How do I know this? Because at a function where Blair was the speaker he told us that's how it works
So ultimately Trades are the domain of Blair & Dan and history tells us that they haven't for what ever reason had the guts in the last 2 years to trade anyone off our list with value.
Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.
That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?
You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.
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I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
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well outside of the 5 or 6 WP mentioned i think anyone is up for a trade for the right price.
Edwards, Conca, Astbury, Ellis yep why not. It doesnt mean you have to do it but throw it out there and see who bites.
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Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.
That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?
You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.
I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...
Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.
However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.
My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it
I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?
MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club
Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.
Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered
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Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.
That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?
You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.
I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...
Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.
However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.
My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it
I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?
MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club
Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.
Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered
how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
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Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.
That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?
You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.
I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...
Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.
However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.
My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it
I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?
MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club
Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.
Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered
how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Do you proof read your posts?
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I doubt it, they are just too hard read.
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Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.
That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?
You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.
I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...
Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.
However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.
My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it
I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?
MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club
Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.
Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered
how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Do you proof read your posts?
nah mate would take to long :lol :lol :lol but u get my drift
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Well the danger deal is done.
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Doesn't matter , we got grigg
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how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Your post actually highlights why we never trade out
You throw up Gordon as someone we should trade and yes we should but reality is he has very little if any value. So how do you trade him? You can't trade someone that no one wants
You say under no circumstances should we look at trading Ellis B or Edwards because they are good players.
But TBH that's why you would consider it for the right deal.
Reality is it is these types that have value at the trade table. They are the ones that could actually get you something of value back. Other clubs would offer something for both; most likely first round picks; so for our club to not at the barest of minimum listen to any offers would be IMESHO stupid
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Everyone should be on the table , if the price is right
Outside if te big five; deledio. Rance. Jack. Martin. Cotchin.
And perhaps vlastuin, McBean, miles
I like all the kids but it's stupid to claim Griffiths / b Ellis / conca types as indispensable
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I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.
Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.
Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.
Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?
MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club
Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.
Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered
Of course I would take that trade! I'd also gladly swap my Mazda three for a beamer/merc, even a BT-50. Chances are UNlikely.
I think I was getting at more a situation where clubs make aware other clubs that this player or that player may be available for trade. And I wouldn't put B Ellis up for grabs for a middle band trade. Like I said, Conca - Yes with the right trade, Astbury - I would take the pick 21 option.
Trading is over rated for piecing together Premiership lists imo. Don't get me wrong, its important, but teams dont win flags because they made a few quick trades in the last couple of days. Albeit Hawthorn won flags on the back of a trade for Croad to Freo, they also developed their '04 draft picks as well as Hodge and Mitchell.
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Well I'm expecting Geelong to be red hot favourites to win the flag in 2016 on the back of the Dangerfield trade. (And adding another Selwood doesn't hurt their chances either)
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Well I'm expecting Geelong to be red hot favourites to win the flag in 2016 on the back of the Dangerfield trade. (And adding another Selwood doesn't hurt their chances either)
The same could have been said for Sydney after the buddy trade and look how that ended up.
A single player won't take you from tenth to flag favorite no matter how good they may be, top 8 maybe but I'll eat my hat if they make the GF.
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A single player might not take you all the way but add selwood,and henderson also and that might
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Selwood has barely played in recent seasons, doesn't impress me much , Henderson :scream
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Henderson crap
Carlisle crap
Chaplin satisfactory
Some here drinking the kool aid
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Too much Vodka Comrade?
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A single player might not take you all the way but add selwood,and henderson also and that might
Since Geelongs last finals campaign in 2014 They have lost.....
Christensen
Varcoe
Stevie J
Kelly
Rivers
Stokes
They have gained.....
Clarke
Stanley
Dangerfield
Selwood
They also have the following players over the age of 30.....
Bartel (32)
Enright (35)
Lonergan (31)
Mackie (31)
It's going to be intresting to see but my gut feeling is they might just make the 8 next year and will realy need some of there kids to step right up if there going to make the GF.
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A single player might not take you all the way but add selwood,and henderson also and that might
Since Geelongs last finals campaign in 2014 They have lost.....
Christensen
Varcoe
Stevie J
Kelly
Rivers
Stokes
They have gained.....
Clarke
Stanley
Dangerfield
Selwood
They also have the following players over the age of 30.....
Bartel (32)
Enright (35)
Lonergan (31)
Mackie (31)
It's going to be intresting to see but my gut feeling is they might just make the 8 next year and will realy need some of there kids to step right up if there going to make the GF.
To me it looks like they are trading away their future to remain competitive instead of backing in their drafting and development and just rebuilding for another dynasty. They won those flags mostly on the back of nailing their draft picks and developing their own, not really bringing in many players at all. Now losing so many of those players to retirement and trade they are also trading away multiple picks. I think they will fall hard on their arse in the near future.
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They were blessed also with some father and sons that were quite handy. ;D
Ablett
Scarlett
Hawkins
Heck even Blake played in a Premiership yet a few pre seasons ago we entertained the idea of drafting him to the club as some sort of quality ruckman.:snidegrin
Geelong have barely bottomed out in the draft era have remained competitive. Even in years that they have not made finals they have not been far from the 8. 2003 being the odd one out. Don't think they have finished below 11th in the last 30 odd years. Also blokes from the Western Districts and the Bellarine Peninsula either come back to Geelong or stay there due to the country feel Sleepy Hollow has and the close proximity of home. Current case in point Dangerfield.
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Blake would have to be vying for the honour of biggest spud to win a premiership medallion in modern football.
It's actually a shame he doesnt play for us now. it would break up the chaplin chaplin grigg chant
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COUSINS BIG FISH FOR CHRISTMAS
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Blake would have to be vying for the honour of biggest spud to win a premiership medallion in modern football.
It's actually a shame he doesnt play for us now. it would break up the chaplin chaplin grigg chant
he was better than hampson.
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your not setting the bar very high
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Blakey from On the Buses would be better than Hamspud...
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bumped for clawski
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Yesss!!! :clapping
bring on the meltdown
do it, do it, do it.
who is th emo again ?
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Bump
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oCOMEON
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2.10pm: WHAT ARE THE TIGERS UP TO?
Good discussion on NAB AFL Trade Radio about the Tigers and their relative lack of activity until now.
Terry Wallace seems convinced that the Tigers were convinced they were frontrunners for Adam Treloar and Chris Yarran and that their strategy has been blown up a bit given Treloar's desire to join Collingwood.
They haven't secured Yarran from the Blues just yet and have asked questions about Jake Carlisle and Jack Steele.
Wallace makes the point if that you're throwing up names once the trade period has alrewady started, then that's a fair indication that all the best laid plans until then have come to nought.
http://www.afl.com.au/trade/trade-talk
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A single player might not take you all the way but add selwood,and henderson also and that might
Since Geelongs last finals campaign in 2014 They have lost.....
Christensen
Varcoe
Stevie J
Kelly
Rivers
Stokes
They have gained.....
Clarke
Stanley
Dangerfield
Selwood
They also have the following players over the age of 30.....
Bartel (32)
Enright (35)
Lonergan (31)
Mackie (31)
It's going to be intresting to see but my gut feeling is they might just make the 8 next year and will realy need some of there kids to step right up if there going to make the GF.
of that group is it fair to say Christensen is the one that hurts? Given his age and talent
dangerfield is a fair replacement
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Someone better than conca
Yet Conca has probably done more than Yarran. Why do people rate him so highly.
The top 15 - 20 picks this year are well worth having.
Surely we are at a stage where we just admit there wont be a big fish, it isnt the end of the world we have hb options we just need to play blokes there. Lets just give up on Yarran and now attempt to trade into the top 15 or so picks.
This is exactly what Carlton are doing with the Yarran trade. Lets go to the youth well again and be patient.
they did this two weeks ago
keep up
I dont live on the site like some, or read every thread. Excuse me for voicing an opinion. Who did this two weeks ago? point me to the thread and i will take it there.
Hire a secretary
^^
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i cannot work out why richmond would announce this strategy public-ally before the start of trade week
in what why is it beneficial to the club?
surely it only strengths carlton SHOWING OUR HAND?
why would they not bend us over a barrel with knowledge we are only after b grade yarren type fish and not anyone of note?
got me stumped
bit of help ??
i am not on expert of afl trades but i got some idea. in other sports like associaition football or basketball it would be seen as a truly weird way to go about it me thinks ...
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i had a whole lot of witty GOLD to add, but i keep getting this:
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You don't have permission to access /forum/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
:banghead
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i had a whole lot of witty GOLD to add, but i keep getting this:
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You don't have permission to access /forum/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
:banghead
Oh....that just means STFU and let other people post for change :shh
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i had a whole lot of witty GOLD to add, but i keep getting this:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /forum/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
:banghead
Oh....that just means STFU and let other people post for change :shh
yeah that was my assumption
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lol
it means that somewhere in your post is a word or words the server relates to spam, often pharmaceutically related.
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Happened to me once when I said something to do with @nti depre55ants
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i had a whole lot of witty GOLD to add, but i keep getting this:
Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /forum/index.php on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
:banghead
Oh....that just means STFU and let other people post for change :shh
yeah that was my assumption
:lol JR man
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RICHMOND has conceded defeat in its pursuit of a big name star and turned its attention to Greater Western Sydney hard nut Jacob Townsend.
Townsend, 22, has played only 28 games in four seasons at the Giants and only one this year because of injury and lack of opportunity.
“We have two needs that we have identified — one a rebounding defender, which is hopefully (Carlton’s) Chris Yarran, and the other is an inside midfielder,” Tigers football boss Dan Richardson said on Friday.
“Ideally we would have liked to have got an elite mid like (Adam) Treloar, but that’s not going to happen.
Asked if the club would still attempt to land a star midfielder during next week’s trade period, Richardson said: “You never say never, but the reality is we’ve been connected to everyone. Some of it’s true and some of it’s not. If we can bring those two players in we’ll be quite happy.”
http://www.themercury.com.au/afl-trades-2015-richmond-shows-interest-in-gws-midfielder-jacob-townsend/story-fnj3twbb-1227563687972
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