Richmond won't be landing a big name star: Dan Richardson (Herald-Sun)

[Francois Jackson]

well outside of the 5 or 6 WP mentioned i think anyone is up for a trade for the right price.

Edwards, Conca, Astbury, Ellis yep why not. It doesnt mean you have to do it but throw it out there and see who bites.

[WilliamPowell]

Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.

That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?

You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.

I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...

Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.

However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.

My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it

I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.

Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.

Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.

Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?

MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club

Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.

Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered

[scjhammo]

Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.

That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?

You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.

I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...

Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.

However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.

My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it

I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.

Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.

Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.

Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?

MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club

Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.

Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered

how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts

[Chuck17]

Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.

That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?

You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.

I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...

Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.

However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.

My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it

I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.

Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.

Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.

Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?

MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club

Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.

Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered

how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts

Do you proof read your posts?

[Penelope]

I doubt it, they are just too hard read.

[scjhammo]

Just because dan the man told you so you take that as gospel? Didnt one of them say the other day our ruck stocks are sorted and we will head to the draft, while benny hill said the opposite. I dont believe anything these clowns say.

That being said you maybe right but hackson selects the actual player. Perhaps its a mid, perhaps its a forward but bottom line is the player has more than likely been of his choosing for the better part of 8-10 years and how is that working for us?

You seem to put a whole lot of blame on our recruitment on blair and not jackson which i fine odd. I actually think both of them are as bad as each other in their respective roles. Year after year we are still going around in circles because the club havent got the balls to trade out.

I said it was Blair not Dan Richardson...

Anyway, I think recruiting wise yes we've made some terrible mistakes, go as far as calling them some of them howlers.

However, if your list guru tells your recruiters to go looking for mid fielders and not to bother with looking at young ruckman than that's not the fault of recruiting. As for the kids picked the list managment committee go thorugh all the options prior to the draft and make the decision on who to pick collectively. And that's my point, you suggested that they reason we don't trade out is because they've got no confidence that Jackson will get the picks right.

My view is we don't trade out because we simply haven't got the guts to do it

I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.

Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.

Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.

Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?

MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club

Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.

Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered

how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts

Do you proof read your posts?

nah mate would take to long but u get my drift

[🏅Dooks]

Well the danger deal is done.

[Stalin]

Doesn't matter , we got grigg

[WilliamPowell]

how in gods name do people come on these threads and say throw name out there like Edwards ellis lets be real for a change Edwards had one of his best years and provides our club with run and pace something we don't have a lot of he is our X factor ellis hard runs as well controls wings thu his kicking lets him down sometimes id never be throwing them up they are both proven players throw names out there that arnt that may in the future Elton even thu signed for 2 years based on what I don't no, astbury lions need a back lets deal, Gordon gc need a forward make a deal no point him and sam llyold playing 2 weeks then swapping roles if lennon signs he will be way ahead of those 2 players offer them up, the one we really need to think about next year is mcbean and were he sits with our list next year could make or break him I feel needs a go if he can break into the team to prove he is an afl player not just a good honest vfl player... Only my thoughts

Your post actually highlights why we never trade out

You throw up Gordon as someone we should trade and yes we should but reality is he has very little if any value. So how do you trade him? You can't trade someone that no one wants

You say under no circumstances should we look at trading Ellis B or Edwards because they are good players.

But TBH that's why you would consider it for the right deal.

Reality is it is these types that have value at the trade table. They are the ones that could actually get you something of value back. Other clubs would offer something for both; most likely first round picks; so for our club to not at the barest of minimum listen to any offers would be IMESHO stupid

[Stalin]

Everyone should be on the table , if the price is right


Outside if te big five;  deledio. Rance. Jack. Martin. Cotchin.

And perhaps vlastuin, McBean, miles


I like all the kids but it's stupid to claim Griffiths / b Ellis / conca types as indispensable   

[Dougeytherichmondfan]

I dont see the need or point of trading people with value purely for the sake of trading.

Take B Ellis for example. Has value, cannot believe some people here want to trade him for a pick. Hes achieved more than most of our other young guns at the same age and stage. Would not even consider getting rid of him.

Conca, yes. Astbury, yes. Picks (in the current) yes.

Are you seriously suggesting that if say Essendon came to you and offered pick 4 or the Blues pick 1 in this year's shallow draft for Ellis B, you wouldn't even consider it? When pick 4 or 1 could get you a better player long term than the player you are trading out?

MY view is and it's always been this if a trade like this is of greater benefit long term than holding onto a player then you have consider it, failaure to do so means you are faling not in your job but more importantly your failing the club

Everyone complains that we never do anything at trade time and the main reason has always been that we don't offer anyone with any currency. For us to go further we need to fix the gaps in our list, to do that we have to consider moving up in the draft order.

Throwing up players like Grigg, Chaplin etc isn't going to enable you to that. Throwing up a Ellis B, Conca or Astbury will and that's why it should be at the very least considered

Of course I would take that trade! I'd also gladly swap my Mazda three for a beamer/merc, even a BT-50. Chances are UNlikely.

I think I was getting at more a situation where clubs make aware other clubs that this player or that player may be available for trade. And I wouldn't put B Ellis up for grabs for a middle band trade. Like I said, Conca - Yes with the right trade, Astbury - I would take the pick 21 option.
Trading is over rated for piecing together Premiership lists imo. Don't get me wrong, its important, but teams dont win flags because they made a few quick trades in the last couple of days. Albeit Hawthorn won flags on the back of a trade for Croad to Freo, they also developed their '04 draft picks as well as Hodge and Mitchell.

[lamington]

Well I'm expecting Geelong to be red hot favourites to win the flag in 2016 on the back of the Dangerfield trade. (And adding another Selwood doesn't hurt their chances either)

[Loui Tufga]

Well I'm expecting Geelong to be red hot favourites to win the flag in 2016 on the back of the Dangerfield trade. (And adding another Selwood doesn't hurt their chances either)

The same could have been said for Sydney after the buddy trade and look how that ended up.
A single player won't take you from tenth to flag favorite no matter how good they may be, top 8 maybe but I'll eat my hat if they make the GF.

[Gigantor]

 A single player might not take you all the way but add selwood,and henderson also and that might

[bojangles17]

Selwood has barely played in recent seasons, doesn't impress me much , Henderson