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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: potsclub on October 28, 2015, 04:59:17 PM
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Richmond has made three further changes to its playing list, with Matt Thomas announcing his retirement from league football and Matt Dea and Nathan Gordon being delisted.
Thomas, 28, played 102 games all-up in a 10-year AFL career (87 for Port Adelaide and 15 for Richmond).
The tough, inside midfielder was taken by the Tigers with their third pick (No. 42 overall) in the 2014 rookie draft, after Port Adelaide had delisted him at the end of the 2013 season.
Although Thomas was restricted by injuries during his time at Tigerland, he set a shining example for younger teammates due to his exemplary work ethic and hardness around the contest.
“I want to thank both Richmond and Port Adelaide for giving me the opportunity to play AFL football, especially Richmond for giving me a second chance,” Thomas said.
“Now is the right time to retire. I feel I have got everything I can out of my ability and have no regrets.
“I have thoroughly enjoyed my time at Richmond and thank you to all the Tiger fans for their support.
“I sincerely hope the Club enjoy the success it deserves in the future.”
Dea also endured a bad injury run throughout his six-year career with Richmond.
He managed only 31 senior games after being selected by the Tigers with their fourth pick (No. 44 overall) in the 2009 National Draft.
The 24-year-old defender was considered unlucky not to crack it for a senior game in season 2015, with Richmond’s strong, settled backline keeping him out of the line-up.
Dea had a fine season at VFL level for Richmond, winning the team’s best and fairest award, the Guinane Medal.
Gordon, who was Richmond’s second pick (No. 50 overall) in the 2013 National Draft, following a brief stint with Sydney, played 21 senior games and kicked 18 goals for the Tigers.
The 25-year-old was renowned for his running ability and provided the team with a lively boost on several occasions when he came on as the ‘sub’ player.
The Club extends its thanks to Thomas, Dea and Gordon for the contributions they made to the Yellow and Black cause.
Richmond has now made a total of nine list changes since the end of the 2015 season with Thomas, Dea and Gordon joining Chris Newman (retired), Nathan Foley (retired), Chris Knights (retired), Ricky Petterd (retired), Matt McDonough (delisted) and Matt Arnot (delisted) as departures from Punt Road.
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-10-28/three-more-tiger-list-changes
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so how many is that?
WE must be either planning on running picks deep into suppposedly the worst draft in history or are planning on a few DFAs :huh3
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Adcock good player
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Dea delisted. Wtf ? And Gordon ? I thought they were good depth players.
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Dea was always gone, Gordon was a dud. Wouldn't mind Thomas staying on with the VFL team.
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The list just got a bit softer ...
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Dea delisted. Wtf ? And Gordon ? I thought they were good depth players.
you seriously thought gordon was a good depth player?
as for Dea, I dont think he is the first player to be delisted after winning the Reserves B&F. a Poisoned Chalice?
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They were all arse. Good riddance.
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No surprises with any of those. Well not to me anyway
That frees up a spot for a delisted FA (reckon it will be Andrew Moore)
And perhaps we are thinking of promoting 2 rookies instead of just the one
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As I have said before, no room from Thomas and Morris with the inclusion of our latest two pick ups.
Dea is a shame but obviously no takers at trade period. Goodbye Gordon.
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If I have got it right thats 5 retirements and 3 delistings, two of which were rookie listings.
We will upgrade Lambert and have gained Yarran and Townsend,so that means 3 draft picks (or free agents) and three new rookies. I agree one of those picks is probably for a DFA but dont know who.
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Wat
You wouldn't want to get rid of Morris as well
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Would have kept Thomas around personally.
Glad Gordon is gone although I thought the sub rule hurt him.
Dea not given much of a chance the last two years IMO despite probably deserving games over the likes of Morris and Newman. I hope he gets picked up and given another shot.
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If I have got it right thats 5 retirements and 3 delistings, two of which were rookie listings.
We will upgrade Lambert and have gained Yarran and Townsend,so that means 3 draft picks (or free agents) and three new rookies. I agree one of those picks is probably for a DFA but dont know who.
Loos like it
Off the 2015 senior list is
Newman
Petterd
Foley
Knights
McDonough
Des
Gordon
Off the rookie list
Thomas
Arnott
We've bought in
Yarran
Townsend
Likely to upgrade Lambert
So that's 7 off the senior list and 2 maybe 3 on
Leaves 4 spots
Reckon it will be 1 DFA and 3 on draft day
Though the other thing is we've always gone short on the senior list the last couple of years
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
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Dea was always gone, Gordon was a dud. Wouldn't mind Thomas staying on with the VFL team.
Agree with Thomas staying on and i would make him captain. I would also look at Dea staying on with the VFL if he is keen.
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If I have got it right thats 5 retirements and 3 delistings, two of which were rookie listings.
We will upgrade Lambert and have gained Yarran and Townsend,so that means 3 draft picks (or free agents) and three new rookies. I agree one of those picks is probably for a DFA but dont know who.
not so bad then. forgot thomarse and arnot were rookies
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
If they were going to do that they would have put it in the press release
Reckon he's a good chance to get picked up by someone else via FA
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
If they were going to do that they would have put it in the press release
Reckon he's a good chance to get picked up by someone else via FA
Carlton. :shh
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
I understand he's going to be a policeman. Not surprised with these announcements. Moore + 3 picks. We'll be upgrading on almost every one of those players.
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Odds of Costanza being upgraded along with Lambert?
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Castagna needs to learn to kick before he gets on the senior list....makes Taylor Hunt look like Darren Jarman...
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
I understand he's going to be a policeman.
Yeah I heard the policeman rumour, but people asked him at this year's player sponsor dinner and just laughed, thought it was very funny
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Hope we don't but wouldn't be surprised if we rookied Dea....
I understand he's going to be a policeman.
Yeah I heard the policeman rumour, but people asked him at this year's player sponsor dinner and just laughed, thought it was very funny
I thought he was going to play NBL, his footy background makes him an excellent basketballer. :rollin
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Dea delistings doesn't make sense. Depth player if needed. Lucky we didn't have too many injuries. 2016 may not be the case
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Gordon was horrible.
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Thomas and Gordan - moneyball duds.
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Dea - typical Hackson overreach.
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Flash Gordon had the odd bit of brilliance but I agree he needed to go. He was a strong runner but that was about it. I know Thomas' hardness was good for the team but his disposal was often quite poor so retirement probably isn't bad for him either.
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But Moore?
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Thomas should have played in the elimination final.
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So we could be slower and turn it over more?
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
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So we could be slower and turn it over more?
He might have helped us get a clearance or tackle
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Can't see Thomarse being the difference between us winning & losing a final.
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If I have got it right thats 5 retirements and 3 delistings, two of which were rookie listings.
We will upgrade Lambert and have gained Yarran and Townsend,so that means 3 draft picks (or free agents) and three new rookies. I agree one of those picks is probably for a DFA but dont know who.
Loos like it
Off the 2015 senior list is
Newman
Petterd
Foley
Knights
McDonough
Des
Gordon
Off the rookie list
Thomas
Arnott
We've bought in
Yarran
Townsend
Likely to upgrade Lambert
So that's 7 off the senior list and 2 maybe 3 on
Leaves 4 spots
Reckon it will be 1 DFA and 3 on draft day
Though the other thing is we've always gone short on the senior list the last couple of years
It's all too little, Too late don'tcha think!
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Thomas should have played in the elimination final.
Conca .........
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Dea delistings doesn't make sense. Depth player if needed. Lucky we didn't have too many injuries. 2016 may not be the case
I agree with you on that.
Hardwick not a fan so that's the way it goes.
I never really care when players get delisted but I think this is a dumb move by the club.
Good fella and I wish him luck.
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Dea delistings doesn't make sense. Depth player if needed. Lucky we didn't have too many injuries. 2016 may not be the case
Good fella
This is why we're so hopeless. Good fella is he, so you tolerate poor performances because he's a good fella? Your attitude sums up everything that's wrong with Richmond
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
We've lost 7 players off the senior list and have brought in 2.
That leaves 5 picks available.
1 spot to a delisted F
1 spot to upgrade Lambert
Leaving 3 spots in the draft.
Let's not forget this is a rolling draft this year where live picks will change as the draft goes on.
Our pick 52 could well be pick 42 or lower by the time it gets to our turn and pick 88 could well be a pick in the 50's.
As the academy points are used the draft picks used to accumulate the points will dissolve and every body will slide up the the amount of picks used.
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No surprise as others have said. All three weren't up to AFL standard for various and different reasons. Thomas was too slow and a poor kick; Dea lacked awareness with ball in and and would make too many basic goal-costing errors in defence; while Gordon's only strength was his speed of foot.
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So we could be slower and turn it over more?
So miles had some mates
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North's mids would've have laughed at Thomarse as they burned him off after he gave the ball straight back to them....don't be fooled just because he looked ok in easy matches against crappy, demoralised, Watson-less Essendon & Ablett-less Gold Coast kids who had nothing to play for....
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I don't claim he's skilful but I was in favor of playing him
Thomas would turned it over but at least he would of cracked in
Miles would of appreciated it ...
Newman is like being a man down. No point having grigg in the trenches
Swallow Cunnington zibel found it a lot funnier without Thomas, IMO
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Furthermore, I was not taken in by his games vs the drug cheats or wce.
I reckon his style is more suited to finals than home/away, more open games
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Flash Gordon had the odd bit of brilliance but I agree he needed to go. He was a strong runner but that was about it. I know Thomas' hardness was good for the team but his disposal was often quite poor so retirement probably isn't bad for him either.
Agree. Gordon showed potential but was not consistent enough and therefore it was the right decision to delist him. This was always going to be the make or break season for Dea and unfortunately for him he couldn't break into the seniors despite his best efforts in the VFL. They should have given him more of a run in the early years and should have the made the decision far earlier if he wasn't upto it. Thomas retired at the right time. His courage and hardness was fantastic but his disposal and lack of pace were real weaknesses.
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thomas vrs grigg and conca in a final
Thomas wins
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i think all were done correctly lets look at it Thomas way to slow for AFL know a days and I think he knew that Gordon its either him or llyold playing that small forwards role but know that lennon stepped up and we are all hoping he can make the next step no spot for him, dea may have won the B&F in the 2s but really hasn't done much in his time if they don't do much in 2-3 years why keep them get a new kid in.. :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
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i think all were done correctly lets look at it Thomas way to slow for AFL know a days and I think he knew that Gordon its either him or llyold playing that small forwards role but know that lennon stepped up and we are all hoping he can make the next step no spot for him, dea may have won the B&F in the 2s but really hasn't done much in his time if they don't do much in 2-3 years why keep them get a new kid in.. :thumbsup :thumbsup
GO U TIGERS
while i dont disagree
one could argue grigg (for example) is far too soft for afl
in a lose-and-season-over final, id personally rather the slower non soft guy in the yellow and black
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you have to admit though, that it is a pretty good effort for a bloke who is soft as butter to average the third most clearances and most tackles for the season?
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last year of the contract always brings out the best in the griggster. Next year we should be back to normal.
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you have to admit though, that it is a pretty good effort for a bloke who is soft as butter to average the third most clearances and most tackles for the season?
hard for say vlastuin to get more, if hes always in a back pocket... compared to mr grigg thats often lined up in the center bounce? tactical mastermind our Damien :clapping
richmond was one of the worst clearance sides in the afl.
richmond 13th 837
melbourne 14th 827
drugcheats 16th 794
st kilda 772
^ total
richmond 15th worst on average
griggy big fish in a small pond :clapping
if grigg is not soft, he is not overly tough for afl standards
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second worse tackling side in league too
average 57.5 p/game
only team to average less than 60 along with melbourne
but yeah, "the third most clearances and most tackles for the season" at tigerland
dont forget top ten in best and fairest :clapping
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so what does that say for others below mr soft as butter?
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So Grigg was let down by everyone else being too soft. Thanks for the clarification :thumbsup
BTW people only wish Thomas played because we were pee poor. Sure if he were to play one of his good games he may of dragged us up a little but he isn't the type of guy to turn games for you. He's just a middle of the pack (at best) soldier. You know what you are going to get from him which was fine as depth but time to move on. If our team was on and he was playing he would of dragged us down, but since we lost we might as well just dig the boots in more
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so what does that say for others below mr soft as butter?
they are not chosen to play in the middle ?
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oh, only midfielders can tackle?, but what about the other midfielders with less than him?
How many midfielders are there?
surely you are not suggesting that the only other midfielders were the two above him, Miles and Cotchin?
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the top 50 tacklers, at a quick glance on last years stats seems to be all mids. a coincidence perhaps?
would you not think you have more chance of winning a clearance or tackling if you are were the ball starts?
in regards to being the third best tackler in the 2nd worst team in the afl;
deledio is played forward
houli is played back
martin is lazy
b ellis is soft
lambert first year player, also played forward
mcintosh is a kid
edwards, i dunno what his excuse is
hunt is fairly rubbish
newman is rubbish
big fish, small pond
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I'm gonna make a call.
Mcintosh will be top three next year.
If not, FHO. ;D
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the top 50 tackles at a quick glance on last years stats seems to be all mids. a coincidence perhaps?
would you not think you have more chance of winning a clearance or tackling if you are were the ball starts?
in regards to being the third best tackler in the 2nd worst team in the afl;
deledio is played forward
houli is played back
martin is lazy b ellis is soft
lambert first year player, also played forward
mcintosh is a kid
edwards, i dunno what his excuse is
hunt is fairly rubbish
newman is rubbish
big fish, small pond
at least get the facts right for your convoluted arguments.
He led the tackles (on averages per game), not 3rd - but let's humour you by rephrasing the questions - so what does that say about the other midfielders who had less tackles?
He was 3rd on the list of clearances per game. so what does that say about the midfielders below him on the list
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i just said it you fool
martin is lazy
b ellis is soft
:huh
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Dea unlucky not to get more opportunity I reckon.
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
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i just said it you fool
martin is lazy
b ellis is soft
:huh
sorry, i thought we playing the game where you dont read the other persons post properly.
So it seems that grigg isnt the softest player in the team, nor the root of all our problems?
(should i remove his name from my sig?)
Something else that does need mentioning, is that martin was second on the list of tackles per game. He has gone a long way towards rectifying that flaw in his game, and if you watch him, he actually tackles with intent now, rather than looking like someone going through the motions of something they feel the should be doing.
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i just said it you fool
martin is lazy
b ellis is soft
:huh
sorry, i thought we playing the game where you dont read the other persons post properly.
So it seems that grigg isnt the softest player in the team, nor the root of all our problems?
(should i remove his name from my sig?)
Something else that does need mentioning, is that martin was second on the list of tackles per game. He has gone a long way towards rectifying that flaw in his game, and if you watch him, he actually tackles with intent now, rather than looking like someone going through the motions of something they feel the should be doing.
so who is softer?
deledio?
martin
cotchin
surely being equally soft to brandon ellis is not an amazing feat?
ellis is a kid where are grigg has no upside as hes close to 30
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or by the same token, who is harder, Delidio, Martin or Grigg?
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
This is the part that bothers me. A lot of our kids stay on our list for too long.
Surely you can tell they're not gonna make it within the first 2-3 years you'd think...
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
Hmmm. I wouldn't say a guy who is capable of winning a VFL bnf is "lucky to be drafted in the first place." The majority of draftees don't reach that level.
But whatever you reckon, dark lord.
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
This is the part that bothers me. A lot of our kids stay on our list for too long.
Surely you can tell they're not gonna make it within the first 2-3 years you'd think...
Maybe it's because Dea actually had something to offer.
Good size. Courage. Agility. Marked improvement every year.
Not saying he's a star but I think he deserved more of a go.
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
Hmmm. I wouldn't say a guy who is capable of winning a VFL bnf is "lucky to be drafted in the first place." The majority of draftees don't reach that level.
But whatever you reckon, dark lord.
Sorry to inform you Willy White Wash but it's not exactly unheard of for blokes who win their club's best reserves player to be delisted.....half the time they just win by default because they're not injured, aren't good enough to get picked for the seniors and play every game....hell, Thomarse won best McGoo for the entire comp and Port still peeed him off.....
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or by the same token, who is harder, Delidio, Martin or Grigg?
its an interesting discussion
after the top few perhaps its that we dont bat very deep ...
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Dea lucky to be drafted in the first place....and even luckier to then stay on an AFL list for 6 years.....
Hmmm. I wouldn't say a guy who is capable of winning a VFL bnf is "lucky to be drafted in the first place." The majority of draftees don't reach that level.
But whatever you reckon, dark lord.
Sorry to inform you Willy White Wash but it's not exactly unheard of for blokes who win their club's best reserves player to be delisted.....half the time they just win by default because they're not injured, aren't good enough to get picked for the seniors and play every game....hell, Thomarse won best McGoo for the entire comp and Port still peeed him off.....
Willy White Wash???
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The Dark Lord hath spoken....:shh
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
We've lost 7 players off the senior list and have brought in 2.
That leaves 5 picks available.
1 spot to a delisted F
1 spot to upgrade Lambert
Leaving 3 spots in the draft.
Let's not forget this is a rolling draft this year where live picks will change as the draft goes on.
Our pick 52 could well be pick 42 or lower by the time it gets to our turn and pick 88 could well be a pick in the 50's.
As the academy points are used the draft picks used to accumulate the points will dissolve and every body will slide up the the amount of picks used.
Yep my bad i forgot Knights, not a hard thing to do in fairness.
Gotta admit im struggling with this points system crap.
I hope your right and we get a pick around 40. I think we will take more than one retread, at least three especially if Lambert is promoted opening up a third rookie spot.
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the dark lord :lol
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
We've lost 7 players off the senior list and have brought in 2.
That leaves 5 picks available.
1 spot to a delisted F
1 spot to upgrade Lambert
Leaving 3 spots in the draft.
Let's not forget this is a rolling draft this year where live picks will change as the draft goes on.
Our pick 52 could well be pick 42 or lower by the time it gets to our turn and pick 88 could well be a pick in the 50's.
As the academy points are used the draft picks used to accumulate the points will dissolve and every body will slide up the the amount of picks used.
Yep my bad i forgot Knights, not a hard thing to do in fairness.
Gotta admit im struggling with this points system crap.
I hope your right and we get a pick around 40. I think we will take more than one retread, at least three especially if Lambert is promoted opening up a third rookie spot.
There is at least 10 picks between 12 and 52 that will be used as part of the points system to pick up academy kids so pick 52 should end up being pick 42 or there abouts.
The same amount between 52 and 88 and depending on how many academy kids get picked up and with plenty of passes pick 88 could well end up in the early 60's to late 50's.
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
We've lost 7 players off the senior list and have brought in 2.
That leaves 5 picks available.
1 spot to a delisted F
1 spot to upgrade Lambert
Leaving 3 spots in the draft.
Let's not forget this is a rolling draft this year where live picks will change as the draft goes on.
Our pick 52 could well be pick 42 or lower by the time it gets to our turn and pick 88 could well be a pick in the 50's.
As the academy points are used the draft picks used to accumulate the points will dissolve and every body will slide up the the amount of picks used.
Yep my bad i forgot Knights, not a hard thing to do in fairness.
Gotta admit im struggling with this points system crap.
I hope your right and we get a pick around 40. I think we will take more than one retread, at least three especially if Lambert is promoted opening up a third rookie spot.
There is at least 10 picks between 12 and 52 that will be used as part of the points system to pick up academy kids so pick 52 should end up being pick 42 or there abouts.
The same amount between 52 and 88 and depending on how many academy kids get picked up and with plenty of passes pick 88 could well end up in the early 60's to late 50's.
Cheers for clearing that up heres hoping eh. 12, 42 and say 65 may mean we take an extra kid.
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The Dark Lord hath spoken....:shh
:lol
:bow
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By my reckoning we have 4 live nd picks and two rookie picks.
So the question has to be How many nd picks will we use on kids.
Imo it will be just two 12 and 52. most likely we will take a delisted f/a and promote one rookie probably Lambert.
At 12 i think with Thomas retireing Clayton Oliver will be the guy we take if he is still there.
52 could be used on a tall,
88? on a delisted f/a
120 on Lambert.
rookie picks may go on a mature ruckman and a kid.
We've lost 7 players off the senior list and have brought in 2.
That leaves 5 picks available.
1 spot to a delisted F
1 spot to upgrade Lambert
Leaving 3 spots in the draft.
Let's not forget this is a rolling draft this year where live picks will change as the draft goes on.
Our pick 52 could well be pick 42 or lower by the time it gets to our turn and pick 88 could well be a pick in the 50's.
As the academy points are used the draft picks used to accumulate the points will dissolve and every body will slide up the the amount of picks used.
Yep my bad i forgot Knights, not a hard thing to do in fairness.
Gotta admit im struggling with this points system crap.
I hope your right and we get a pick around 40. I think we will take more than one retread, at least three especially if Lambert is promoted opening up a third rookie spot.
Not 100% sure it's going to work exactly like that. Some of the early picks will be used no doubt but I think they'll use a lot of their later picks to also get "early picks".
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So that means conca will be vice captain of the vfl team