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Title: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Razorblade on October 18, 2005, 04:39:34 PM
First off he played all 22 h&a games, as a 17 & 18 yo, now his going to play in the IR series, and then get thrown into the pre-season at the end of october.

I really hope the club gives Lids a couple of extra weeks off, and have a training plan in place for him so he doesn't develop OP in the off-season, thats if his not already developing it.

The last thing we need is Lids getting OP simply because we asked him to do too much to early.
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: mightytiges on October 18, 2005, 05:44:23 PM
I could be wrong but I think the IR guys do get a couple of extra weeks off  as the IR series and training occurs during their alloted 8 week end of season break.

Getting back to your question Razor - Yeah I hope we are not burning him out. Seeing the words "groin soreness" makes you edgy :-\.

Lids has a 10-15 year footy career ahead of him so while it's a credit to him and great for the Club and us supporters to have him playing for Oz, I'd prefer if we weren't trying to pack everything into his first year. Not only do players need a physical break they also need a mental one. It's been non-stop for Lids since the day he was drafted - played the full season including preseason games, wins rising star, GF sprint winner and now playing for Oz. An unbelievable debut year :bow.

Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 18, 2005, 06:26:34 PM
no
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Rodgerramjet on October 19, 2005, 02:12:56 PM
No
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: cub on October 19, 2005, 02:39:15 PM
I will 3rd that no  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 19, 2005, 04:09:06 PM
Just to be different  ;D

YES!!!

I have no interest in this IR series and would quite happy if it didn't happen.

Last thing you want is for a bloke to get injured playing a "fluff" game  >:(
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 20, 2005, 02:56:13 PM
Just to be different  ;D

YES!!!

I have no interest in this IR series and would quite happy if it didn't happen.

Last thing you want is for a bloke to get injured playing a "fluff" game  >:(

wp, i value ur opinion, but i dont really care whether its a fluff game or not, its a game that represents our country, afl footy at this stage dosnt allow this, so this hybrid game is all footy players can do in order to wear the green and gold!

its not afl, buts its close enough. imo
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: DallasCrane on October 20, 2005, 11:16:18 PM
Hey X-Cited, as a personal trainer, I am interested to hear why you think it's OK that Deledio has such a huge workload in his first year.....

I like the international rules myself but I am a bit worried that he is doing too much. What if he ends up with OP out of this groin soreness.
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 21, 2005, 07:17:33 AM
Hey X-Cited, as a personal trainer, I am interested to hear why you think it's OK that Deledio has such a huge workload in his first year.....

I like the international rules myself but I am a bit worried that he is doing too much. What if he ends up with OP out of this groin soreness.

training for this game and series , will just keep his fitness up and condition his body to go harder and longer. his fitness levels will increase and his mental attitude will become stronger,

with op, if he is gonna get it, he will get it whether he playes this series or not. and op, is directly related with ur running action/gate. from what i see with lids , he runs liek a true athlete, he just glides across the tuf and has a very smooth running action. ala judd.

he runs totally different to say cogs.

now when ur young your body can recover alot quicker than when u get older, this will be good 4 him

u cant put a value on experience, its too important

this ir series will put him way ahead of his peers in experience, he will only gain from it
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 21, 2005, 10:10:38 AM

 so this hybrid game is all footy players can do in order to wear the green and gold!


Green & Gold - eh? The Aussie wear predominantly Blue with a green & gold Vee (can someone explain that one to me) 

Maybe that's why I am not that interested in it X, not enough Green & Gold for me!  ;D :rollin
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Razorblade on October 21, 2005, 01:18:12 PM
X, doesn't this sharp jump in physical activity (comparing all that his done in 2005 to his 2004 TAC Cup season) raise the chances of him developing muscle injuries down the track?
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 21, 2005, 03:05:55 PM
X, doesn't this sharp jump in physical activity (comparing all that his done in 2005 to his 2004 TAC Cup season) raise the chances of him developing muscle injuries down the track?

not really, not if his preparation is spot on, u can develop muscular injuries at training and even just going 4 a jog.
he has been through a full season and his body coped well, if he wasnt ready 4 this, terry would not have given the blessing. this kid is a stayer dont worry
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 21, 2005, 03:07:42 PM

 so this hybrid game is all footy players can do in order to wear the green and gold!


Green & Gold - eh? The Aussie wear predominantly Blue with a green & gold Vee (can someone explain that one to me) 

Maybe that's why I am not that interested in it X, not enough Green & Gold for me!  ;D :rollin

thats true wp! why the hell do they wear that blue guernsey with and green and yellow!

thats right they do because the green clashes with the irish, but then again, why dont we just wear a yellow top with a green v ???
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: WilliamPowell on October 21, 2005, 03:16:04 PM
thats true wp! why the hell do they wear that blue guernsey with and green and yellow!

thats right they do because the green clashes with the irish, but then again, why dont we just wear a yellow top with a green v ???

Seeing both team have the same national colours (or at least both have green) - why doesn't the home team get to wear the Green and whatever other colour and the away team something else (like the Aussie do with the blue) ???

I would think that would be fair :thumbsup
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Razorblade on October 21, 2005, 03:43:26 PM
X, doesn't this sharp jump in physical activity (comparing all that his done in 2005 to his 2004 TAC Cup season) raise the chances of him developing muscle injuries down the track?

not really, not if his preparation is spot on, u can develop muscular injuries at training and even just going 4 a jog.
he has been through a full season and his body coped well, if he wasnt ready 4 this, terry would not have given the blessing. this kid is a stayer dont worry
Oh ok, i just worry that, for example, his hammy's might start going off, like Tambo's did this year!
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: mightytiges on October 21, 2005, 04:26:02 PM
thats true wp! why the hell do they wear that blue guernsey with and green and yellow!

thats right they do because the green clashes with the irish, but then again, why dont we just wear a yellow top with a green v ???

Seeing both team have the same national colours (or at least both have green) - why doesn't the home team get to wear the Green and whatever other colour and the away team something else (like the Aussie do with the blue) ???

I would think that would be fair :thumbsup

I can't see the GAA allowing orange to be added lol.

In other sports we've added blue. The Socceroos wore blue as a alternative strip when playing countries like Brazil. IIRC some of our Olympic trackies down the years have been mostly blue also.

We've always worn the same IR guernsey. Maybe it was done to distinguish ourselves from the rugby guernseys (wallabies and kangaroos).     
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: DallasCrane on October 22, 2005, 09:53:53 PM
Thanks for all that X-interesting to read.


now when ur young your body can recover alot quicker than when u get older

Aint that the truth,X, aint that the truth.
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 25, 2005, 06:34:51 AM
Thanks for all that X-interesting to read.


now when ur young your body can recover alot quicker than when u get older

Aint that the truth,X, aint that the truth.


anytime  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Ox on October 25, 2005, 07:39:40 AM


wp, i value ur opinion, but i dont really care whether its a fluff game or not, its a game that represents our country, afl footy at this stage dosnt allow this, so this hybrid game is all footy players can do in order to wear the green and gold!


LMAO@ Representing Australia in a game that we dont even play.
Series is a joke
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: mightytiges on October 25, 2005, 04:00:08 PM
At least in the hybrid game the players want to play and take it seriously so it gets credence in my book even though it's not Aussie Rules. State of Origin had become a farce by the end with nearly every star player (with their club's backing) using any niggle as an excuse not to play.

I'm sure Wallace would have been very happy to see Newman and Lids play in a game that's mostly about run and carry then dishing off with a kick or handball to keep the ball moving quickly forward. Plus IMO kicking a round ball for a while improves hand-eye-foot technique for when it comes to kicking the easier oval ball. You always need to hit the centre sweet spot of a round ball otherwise it can go anywhere.
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: Tiger Spirit on October 25, 2005, 05:02:39 PM
If we’re not going to have State of Origin then it’s good to have some form of representative footy, because it can be a good learning experience, especially for younger players.  The more seriously players take these opportunities then the greater the benefits for them, because the preparation, pressure and intensity can resemble that of a big match, whatever form the game takes.

The concept might not be perfect, but regardless of what the series may or may not mean to people, the benefit and meaning for those players representing their country would go a lot deeper than whether their team wins the series or not, because of what they are able to learn from other players and different coaches, and just from the overall experience.

You have to hand it to Kevin Sheedy; he doesn’t believe in doing anything half-heartedly and it was inspirational to see what he did with a curious mix of players in such a short space of time.  There may not have been a lot of hype or expectation surrounding the series, but watching the match last week, it was hard not to get caught up in it.  The efforts of the Australian players were brilliant and their commitment and enthusiasm made you want to watch.  You could see that the game meant something to them, because it showed in the way they played and in their excitement after the win. 

It’s not every day that some of those players will get that sort of opportunity, which is probably worth a few AFL games of experience.  The experience and confidence boost gained by someone like Chris Newman will benefit his footy club in the long run.  Same for any player who is prepared to take these games as seriously as he seems to be taking them, and have it help them become a better player.

From that point of view, it wouldn’t matter to me how these representative games are packaged, as long as the benefits for the players remained the same.
Title: Re: Is anyone else worried that Lids has done too much in his 1st season?
Post by: letsgetiton! on October 25, 2005, 07:23:39 PM


wp, i value ur opinion, but i dont really care whether its a fluff game or not, its a game that represents our country, afl footy at this stage dosnt allow this, so this hybrid game is all footy players can do in order to wear the green and gold!


LMAO@ Representing Australia in a game that we dont even play.
Series is a joke

would not care if it was knitting, representing ur country is just that, whether we play this hybrd game or not is not the point