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NAB Challenge 3
Richmond vs Port Adelaide
Thursday, March 10, 7:10 PM
@ Etihad Stadium
Tickets: http://www.ticketmaster.com.au/venueartist/303717/1414842?artistid=1414842&minorcatid=711&date=2016-3-10
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Port are going to take this practice game seriously after losing to Melbourne.
Jack Hombsch insisted the loss to Melbourne wasn't an accurate reflection of the team and that it would look to rebound strongly in its final NAB Challenge game against the Tigers on March 10.
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2016-02-29/hombsch-that-performance-isnt-us
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Must win game!
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8 point game!
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Port are going to take this seriously
Stupid statement
Please every team will be putting their best sides out in NAB 3
All sides will put as close to their round 1 H&A teams out there
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Very important game in terms of where new talent such as Menadue, Chol, Castagna and Rioli sit within the club and ascertaining as to whether or not their future roles play.
Don't be surprised if many of the big guns play, but in limited rolls for match practice only. Hoping that the impact they have on games is minimal so as not to injure oneself.
As to whether we win or not, I ALWAYS want a win, don't care about the occasion, if Tigers win what ever it is they're doing, AWESOME, just not at the expense of player injury in a non home and away game.
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I love the Chol. Hopefully more kids will get game time too :gotigers
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The Tigers will start commanding favourites against Carlton in Round 1, but first take on Port Adelaide in their last NAB Challenge game on Thursday.
Riewoldt might be in commanding pre-season form but both Tyrone Vickery and Ben Griffiths will hope to be fit for the Power game after bouts of concussion.
The Tigers have cleared Vickery to play after his dramatic collapse against Fremantle, with Sudanese rookie Mabior Chol to push his claims for a third straight NAB Challenge match.
Source: Herald-Sun website (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/jack-riewoldt-says-trent-cotchin-is-the-right-man-to-captain-richmond/news-story/14e3b5620089f2b80b784685dcfc5d73)
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Daniel Rioli is also likely to play this week as well
Source: coaches at the Coterie Season Launch Breakfast this morning
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Lids, Hampson and most likely Vickery will be playing against Port this week.
Sources: AFL and Age websites.
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McBean to kick 10
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McBean to kick 10
If Beany does it'll be in a reserves (VFL) practice match as that's where he'll be playing. Elton also playing in the VFL practice match.
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
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Tiger Deledio set to do it by halves
Dinny Navaratnam
AFL.com.au
March 8, 2016 10:35 AM
RICHMOND star Brett Deledio is set to line up for his first game in 2016 on Thursday night against Port Adelaide at Etihad Stadium, says coach Damien Hardwick.
Deledio has struggled this pre-season with a lingering calf injury, but the 28-year-old will play half the game.
"We've had a pretty conservative approach with Brett but we're looking forward to putting him on the park and having his first run," Hardwick said.
The first picked in the 2004 NAB AFL Draft, Deledio is known for his durability. He has never played fewer than 18 games in a season, the number he managed in 2015.
Hardwick also flagged the return of forward Tyrone Vickery, who missed the Tigers' second pre-season game against Hawthorn with concussion.
Hardwick said talk surrounding his contract extension was expected and he would let the club announce it when it is eventually signed, as AFL.com.au reported on Monday.
"I think from most coaches' point of view, it's part and parcel of what we do."
Half-back Chris Yarran had come on much quicker than expected and Hardwick said the new recruit could be lining up in the yellow and black very soon.
"(Yarran) hasn't really played a lot of match practice, so it's just whether we throw him in there and see how he goes," Hardwick said.
"We've got match committee this afternoon, so we'll have a look at it."
Hardwick also flagged the possibility of Yarran playing in Richmond's VFL team before the home and away season begins.
Yarran, 25, was originally expected to miss the first third of the season with a calf injury.
The former Carlton player was traded to the Tigers for No. 23 in last year's NAB AFL Draft.
At this stage, Yarran is a chance to play against his former team in round one. He was training with the rest of his teammates on Tuesday.
"He's surprised all of us. We're looking forward to him playing some footy early in the season," he said.
"Nathan Drummond is the only player I think who's unavailable for round one."
Drummond is recovering from a torn ACL.
Ruckman Shaun Hampson will open his 2016 campaign against the Power.
"(He's) coming through an ankle surgery, which took a little bit longer than we would've liked to get back on track, but he's been training really well over the last two weeks," Hardwick said.
Forward Ben Griffiths wore a helmet during training. He was concussed against Fremantle in Richmond's opening pre-season game after being bumped by Aaron Sandilands and has suffered the injury multiple times.
Griffiths isn't sure yet whether he will wear the helmet during games.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-08/deledio-set-for-first-2016-appearance-after-lingering-calf-injury
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
So he won the Frosty Miller Medal and topped our VFL goalkicking three years running by sheer fluke then? Meanwhile, has Chol even played a competitive match yet? And why can't you play them in the same side? Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish.
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you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side.
why
itd kick too much ass ?
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yeh but mostly our own
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Yes much more important that Supercoach 7 of 9 does whatever it takes to keep our Moneyball poster boy Chaplin in the side....
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So he won the Frosty Miller Medal and topped our VFL goalkicking three years running by sheer fluke then? Meanwhile, has Chol even played a competitive match yet? And why can't you play them in the same side? Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish.
Actually it's not rubbish, it's an opinion
The reason why IMESHO you cannot play them i the same side because i dont believe you can play 2 inexperienced players who play a similar role in the same side. With the key word here beong inexperience
Further to that there is a huge gap between VFL level and AFL and despite what some peope think i don't believe that McBean shpwed much in his couple of AFL games last year. He actually looked lost and was far too easily out bodied
If we are about winnong games, making finals and winning them then I dont think we are in position to play these 2 kids.
Just an opinion
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experienced chaplin
stable richmond
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stables are generally full of horse poo
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Hi guys
does anyone know if members can get in free for this game?
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So he won the Frosty Miller Medal and topped our VFL goalkicking three years running by sheer fluke then? Meanwhile, has Chol even played a competitive match yet? And why can't you play them in the same side? Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish.
Actually it's not rubbish, it's an opinion
The reason why IMESHO you cannot play them i the same side because i dont believe you can play 2 inexperienced players who play a similar role in the same side. With the key word here beong inexperience
Further to that there is a huge gap between VFL level and AFL and despite what some peope think i don't believe that McBean shpwed much in his couple of AFL games last year. He actually looked lost and was far too easily out bodied
If we are about winnong games, making finals and winning them then I dont think we are in position to play these 2 kids.
Just an opinion
7 & 9 touches in the forward line - didn't play the full match in either game - gave away 398 games & 2 decades of AFL experience to his opponent in the second match....still managed 3 marks, had a shot on goal and nearly crumbed another one....did he set the world on fire? Nope - but hardly the returns of someone who was "lost"...
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Hi guys
does anyone know if members can get in free for this game?
Is that real paid up members or posters who say that they are paid up members?
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paid up
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So he won the Frosty Miller Medal and topped our VFL goalkicking three years running by sheer fluke then? Meanwhile, has Chol even played a competitive match yet? And why can't you play them in the same side? Sorry, but that's just utter rubbish.
Actually it's not rubbish, it's an opinion
The reason why IMESHO you cannot play them i the same side because i dont believe you can play 2 inexperienced players who play a similar role in the same side. With the key word here beong inexperience
Further to that there is a huge gap between VFL level and AFL and despite what some peope think i don't believe that McBean shpwed much in his couple of AFL games last year. He actually looked lost and was far too easily out bodied
If we are about winnong games, making finals and winning them then I dont think we are in position to play these 2 kids.
Just an opinion
I agree with this.
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paid up
Dunno then, I was going to say the pretend paid up ones would have trouble getting free tickets
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Hi guys
does anyone know if members can get in free for this game?
Yes got a membership with a bar code and you get in for free
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port have named a pretty strong side. should be a good last hitout for us
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.
Fair enough
But why do you think he hasnt played in the NAB, and I'm not looking for "Dimma doesn't rate/like him" comments
Really interested in peoples views as to why Chol appears to have gone past him in the pecking order because that seems to be the case
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Watching them at training the other day it's not hard to realise why Chol has gone past him. Chol is just so athletic and has great hands. His leap leaves you gasping. I can't wait for him to put on 10 kg of muscle. McBean should be so far ahead but he doesn't look that way, at least at training. If this is what I saw, the coaches see the same thing in front of them.
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McBean, at 200 plus cms, needs to do what Chol does at 200 plus cms. That is, add more strings to your bow than being a lead up forward.
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You mean like also being as good below the knees as I've seen for anyone above 6'4?.
Which is why I find WP's comments about his agility so hilarious....makes me wonder if he's ever seen him outside of televised matches...if Choi is better below the knees then he's a 200 cm Phil Matera....
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.
Don't think he's a better leap? Gee wiz. Also think Chol is more well-rounded. Can actually take an over head mark
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McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...
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McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...
It's the Frosty Miller medal BTW and he won it kicking less than 60 goals (might have been 50 goals) in a season
But I do question your comment of he has the "runs on the board"? His "runs" are in the VFL, where the difference in standard (VFL to AFL) as I've said is massive. How can any of us say for certain McBean is going to cut it at AFL.
You also suggest that Chol could "easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel". Would suggest that currently all we have with McBean is a highlight reel and people want him playing seniors based on that. Granted some of the highlights are super impressive but let's also consider what's not on the highlight reel. The lack of 2nd efforts in VFL games because he doesn't have the tank to do it. He's had 3 years in the system now let's hope that's improved in 2016
I hope both players make it but right now I wouldn't play them in the same side and I think Chol has gone past McBean. Rightly or wrongly, the non appearance of McBean in the NAB series suggest this is the case
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So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?
Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???
IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.
Fair enough
But why do you think he hasnt played in the NAB, and I'm not looking for "Dimma doesn't rate/like him" comments
Really interested in peoples views as to why Chol appears to have gone past him in the pecking order because that seems to be the case
My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
If not it's the wrong move not to play McBean in any of the practice matches. Even if Chol has gone past him, aren't practice games to have a look at blokes?? Sometimes watching guys train just isn't enough.
Dimma at his finest if this is the case.
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman, he is what he is and that's a leading forward that has played some pretty good footy at the second best level. He is not a super athlete with a huge leap or a big pack mark, he leads well at the footy and at the right times and he kicks straight. His height and his ability below his knees make him an extremely hard match up at any level. I'd like to see him play a block of games at some stage during the year.
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Hi guys
does anyone know if members can get in free for this game?
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My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
I don't think so because he was named in the NAB 2 squad, so unless an injury has happened since then, the answer would appear no
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman,
Why's that big tone?
Body shape? Not enough strength?
IMV in 3 years he doesn't appear to have added any bulk (especially across the shoulders) so I agree unless he can do that he's not a ruck option. But I would think it would also limit him in his ability to take contested marks. Get your point about being a lead up forward but there will always be times he needs to compete and clunk a few contested marks
Interested in your thoughts
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McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...
It's the Frosty Miller medal BTW and he won it kicking less than 60 goals (might have been 50 goals) in a season
But I do question your comment of he has the "runs on the board"? His "runs" are in the VFL, where the difference in standard (VFL to AFL) as I've said is massive. How can any of us say for certain McBean is going to cut it at AFL.
You also suggest that Chol could "easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel". Would suggest that currently all we have with McBean is a highlight reel and people want him playing seniors based on that. Granted some of the highlights are super impressive but let's also consider what's not on the highlight reel. The lack of 2nd efforts in VFL games because he doesn't have the tank to do it. He's had 3 years in the system now let's hope that's improved in 2016
I hope both players make it but right now I wouldn't play them in the same side and I think Chol has gone past McBean. Rightly or wrongly, the non appearance of McBean in the NAB series suggest this is the case
I know what the medal is actually called, I have mentioned it before.
Yes McBean does have more runs on the board in high level competitive football - considerably more. VFL premiership matches are far more competitive than early NAB challenge matches where no-one is match fit yet, the sides aren't full strength, most players aren't going at anything close to 100%, players are often played out of position and everyone is trying to avoid injuries. McBean's played over 40 of the former , Chol's played only two of the latter.
McBean's goal tally has been up there with the best in the comp. each year despite each year being interrupted by injury and/or senior selection and him playing less matches than his main rivals - the VFL season is only 18 matches long to start with. He's also done this in a bottom 4 side with abysmal delivery from a sub-standard midfield often on dung heaps, in appalling conditions - not the MCG on a nice, mild sunny afternoon or Etihad with the roof closed, receiving lace outs on the tit from Deledio & Martin.
I know what his strengths & weaknesses are, I've seen plenty of him live and close -up but again, your assertion that a kid who's played only two hit & giggle practice matches so far has already gone past him - effectively saying he's a better, more proven player is frankly, absurd.
Reminds me of some of the reactions to Tambling after his first NAB Cup.
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Watching them at training the other day it's not hard to realise why Chol has gone past him. Chol is just so athletic and has great hands. His leap leaves you gasping. I can't wait for him to put on 10 kg of muscle. McBean should be so far ahead but he doesn't look that way, at least at training. If this is what I saw, the coaches see the same thing in front of them.
why?
he was always a project player
he has dominated in the vfl
im not sure what else he is sposed to do when he isnt given games yet deserving them
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It doesn't matter whether Chol has gone past him or not, Bean still deserved a NAB Cup game. Even stuffing Soldo got one.
It must be a perceived character/application thing. Clearly Dimma isn't happy with him .
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I know what the medal is actually called, I have mentioned it before.
Yes McBean does have more runs on the board in high level competitive football - considerably more. VFL premiership matches are far more competitive than early NAB challenge matches where no-one is match fit yet, the sides aren't full strength, most players aren't going at anything close to 100%, players are often played out of position and everyone is trying to avoid injuries. McBean's played over 40 of the former , Chol's played only two of the latter.
McBean's goal tally has been up there with the best in the comp. each year despite each year being interrupted by injury and/or senior selection and him playing less matches than his main rivals - the VFL season is only 18 matches long to start with. He's also done this in a bottom 4 side with abysmal delivery from a sub-standard midfield often on dung heaps, in appalling conditions - not the MCG on a nice, mild sunny afternoon or Etihad with the roof closed, receiving lace outs on the tit from Deledio & Martin.
I know what his strengths & weaknesses are, I've seen plenty of him live and close -up but again, your assertion that a kid who's played only two hit & giggle practice matches so far has already gone past him - effectively saying he's a better, more proven player is frankly, absurd.
Reminds me of some of the reactions to Tambling after his first NAB Cup.
Then why hasnt he played any NAB games? And dont just says it's because Hardwick has no idea
There has to be more to it than that if he isn't injured.
And by all reports he isnt so why have they preferred Chol over him. Especially this week when you'd most likely only be playing blokes likely for round 1
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They prefer Chaplin over him FFs
They hve no idea is a fairy sound argument
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I know what the medal is actually called, I have mentioned it before.
Yes McBean does have more runs on the board in high level competitive football - considerably more. VFL premiership matches are far more competitive than early NAB challenge matches where no-one is match fit yet, the sides aren't full strength, most players aren't going at anything close to 100%, players are often played out of position and everyone is trying to avoid injuries. McBean's played over 40 of the former , Chol's played only two of the latter.
McBean's goal tally has been up there with the best in the comp. each year despite each year being interrupted by injury and/or senior selection and him playing less matches than his main rivals - the VFL season is only 18 matches long to start with. He's also done this in a bottom 4 side with abysmal delivery from a sub-standard midfield often on dung heaps, in appalling conditions - not the MCG on a nice, mild sunny afternoon or Etihad with the roof closed, receiving lace outs on the tit from Deledio & Martin.
I know what his strengths & weaknesses are, I've seen plenty of him live and close -up but again, your assertion that a kid who's played only two hit & giggle practice matches so far has already gone past him - effectively saying he's a better, more proven player is frankly, absurd.
Reminds me of some of the reactions to Tambling after his first NAB Cup.
Then why hasnt he played any NAB games? And dont just says it's because Hardwick has no idea
There has to be more to it than that if he isn't injured.
And by all reports he isnt so why have they preferred Chol over him. Especially this week when you'd most likely only be playing blokes likely for round 1
So that proves beyond a doubt he's that already a better player right now? Before he's even played a competitive match? Ok, if you say so.....
I'll concede he's a better ruck prospect than McBean, but I've never really considered McBean a ruckman or anything more than a back up ruck at best....and given our current paucity of genuine rucks, particularly high leaping rucks....I'd say that's a lot to do with why Choi's being given a run atm...
BTW - If he plays mostly VFL this year , primarily as a forward, how many goals would you expect him to kick? By your standards, I'd imagine at least 50..should pee in the Frosty Miller....
They prefer Chaplin over him FFs
They have no idea is a fairly sound argument
Exactly.
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My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
I don't think so because he was named in the NAB 2 squad, so unless an injury has happened since then, the answer would appear no
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman,
Why's that big tone?
Body shape? Not enough strength?
IMV in 3 years he doesn't appear to have added any bulk (especially across the shoulders) so I agree unless he can do that he's not a ruck option. But I would think it would also limit him in his ability to take contested marks. Get your point about being a lead up forward but there will always be times he needs to compete and clunk a few contested marks
Interested in your thoughts
I guess why I don't see him as a genuine ruckman is simple he doesn't have the size (not height) or the leap to compete with the genuine ruckman of the comp.
I see him as a 3rd tall forward option in the Gunston mould. Not as good obviously.....yet, but in the roaming, hard to match up on, smart, reliable shot in goal type of mould.
I think his overhead marking is better than some might think too, not Richo like but decent.
I think if we need a genuine ruckman to replace Maric, we should draft one or more so trade for an established one. The ex WCE and now Swan Sinclair would have been ideal IMO.
Anyway not playing him if not injured in these practice games is just stupid. Really stupid.
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So that proves beyond a doubt he's that already a better player right now? Before he's even played a competitive match? Ok, if you say so.....
I don't say so, it just raises an interesting question as to why Chol's getting the nod before McBean. I'm just interested in people's views
Throw in the fact for NAB 2, neither Vickery or Griffiths were available and McBean still get a call up; just begs the question why. And the argument that they played Chaplin instead is in a way flawed because in NAB 1, they played Vickery, Chaplin, Chol, Griffiths
I'll concede he's a better ruck prospect than McBean, but I've never really considered McBean a ruckman or anything more than a back up ruck at best....and given our current paucity of genuine rucks, particularly high leaping rucks....I'd say that's a lot to do with why Choi's being given a run atm...
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Interesting you say (like big tone does) that you don't see him as a ruckman. It appears not many people do. I didn't follow him at all as junior but did he play as ruckman in the TAC Cup? Reason I ask is because I thought we actually drafted him to develop him as ruckman...
BTW - If he plays mostly VFL this year , primarily as a forward, how many goals would you expect him to kick? By your standards, I'd imagine at least 50..should pee in the Frosty Miller....
I'd hope if he stays injury free and plays mainly in the VFL I think 60-70 goals is a good return
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There's simply no way that it can be argued Chol is ahead of McBean based of 2 NAB games. McBean looked ok in actual H & A games and has been dominant at times in the VFL. Chol showed a few moments of promise (whilst still looking miles away in my assessment) in practice matches.
McBean isn't playing because there must be something in his game/ character that Dimma doesn't like at the moment. We've seen enough of Dimma to know he has a stubborn streak and will play blokes he likes at the expense of those who deserve it more.
McBean may not make it in the end but if Chol gets a game ahead of him early this year i think there'd be a lot of people justifiably mystified.
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I guess why I don't see him as a genuine ruckman is simple he doesn't have the size (not height) or the leap to compete with the genuine ruckman of the comp.
I see him as a 3rd tall forward option in the Gunston mould. Not as good obviously.....yet, but in the roaming, hard to match up on, smart, reliable shot in goal type of mould.
I think his overhead marking is better than some might think too, not Richo like but decent.
I think if we need a genuine ruckman to replace Maric, we should draft one or more so trade for an established one. The ex WCE and now Swan Sinclair would have been ideal IMO.
Anyway not playing him if not injured in these practice games is just stupid. Really stupid.
Thanks :thumbsup
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My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
I don't think so because he was named in the NAB 2 squad, so unless an injury has happened since then, the answer would appear no
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman,
Why's that big tone?
Body shape? Not enough strength?
IMV in 3 years he doesn't appear to have added any bulk (especially across the shoulders) so I agree unless he can do that he's not a ruck option. But I would think it would also limit him in his ability to take contested marks. Get your point about being a lead up forward but there will always be times he needs to compete and clunk a few contested marks
Interested in your thoughts
I guess why I don't see him as a genuine ruckman is simple he doesn't have the size (not height) or the leap to compete with the genuine ruckman of the comp.
I see him as a 3rd tall forward option in the Gunston mould. Not as good obviously.....yet, but in the roaming, hard to match up on, smart, reliable shot in goal type of mould.
I think his overhead marking is better than some might think too, not Richo like but decent.
I think if we need a genuine ruckman to replace Maric, we should draft one or more so trade for an established one. The ex WCE and now Swan Sinclair would have been ideal IMO.
Anyway not playing him if not injured in these practice games is just stupid. Really stupid.
Your talking a westhoff type. I still think he should be tried as a chb where his inability to clunk marks is made null and void by the simple fact all he needs to do is spoil.
Any way the club have constantly said they took him to be a long term ruck man.They continually play him as a fwd because of his lack of size.
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My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
I don't think so because he was named in the NAB 2 squad, so unless an injury has happened since then, the answer would appear no
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman,
Why's that big tone?
Body shape? Not enough strength?
IMV in 3 years he doesn't appear to have added any bulk (especially across the shoulders) so I agree unless he can do that he's not a ruck option. But I would think it would also limit him in his ability to take contested marks. Get your point about being a lead up forward but there will always be times he needs to compete and clunk a few contested marks
Interested in your thoughts
I guess why I don't see him as a genuine ruckman is simple he doesn't have the size (not height) or the leap to compete with the genuine ruckman of the comp.
I see him as a 3rd tall forward option in the Gunston mould. Not as good obviously.....yet, but in the roaming, hard to match up on, smart, reliable shot in goal type of mould.
I think his overhead marking is better than some might think too, not Richo like but decent.
I think if we need a genuine ruckman to replace Maric, we should draft one or more so trade for an established one. The ex WCE and now Swan Sinclair would have been ideal IMO.
Anyway not playing him if not injured in these practice games is just stupid. Really stupid.
Your talking a westhoff type. I still think he should be tried as a chb where his inability to clunk marks is made null and void by the simple fact all he needs to do is spoil.
Any way the club have constantly said they took him to be a long term ruck man.They continually play him as a fwd because of his lack of size.
Actually Westoff is a perfect example type.
I guess the Gunston comparison was a bit of wishful thinking.
I'll tell you a quick storey about Jack Gunston. My wife is best friends with his cousin and we have been to weddings and famiily holidays in Barwon Heads when he has been there.
But before he was traded to Hawthorn from Adelaide I would joke to his cousin that if she convinced him to come to Tigerland I'd come around and mow his lawns for him. It's a bit of a running joke now with us but I could just tell he was going to be a pretty special player even from the 20 odd games he played for Adelaide.
The one thing they always laugh at when it comes up now is that they say he made the right decision. >:(
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So that proves beyond a doubt he's that already a better player right now? Before he's even played a competitive match? Ok, if you say so.....
I don't say so, it just raises an interesting question as to why Chol's getting the nod before McBean. I'm just interested in people's views
Throw in the fact for NAB 2, neither Vickery or Griffiths were available and McBean still get a call up; just begs the question why. And the argument that they played Chaplin instead is in a way flawed because in NAB 1, they played Vickery, Chaplin, Chol, Griffiths
I'll concede he's a better ruck prospect than McBean, but I've never really considered McBean a ruckman or anything more than a back up ruck at best....and given our current paucity of genuine rucks, particularly high leaping rucks....I'd say that's a lot to do with why Choi's being given a run atm...
:thumbsup
Interesting you say (like big tone does) that you don't see him as a ruckman. It appears not many people do. I didn't follow him at all as junior but did he play as ruckman in the TAC Cup? Reason I ask is because I thought we actually drafted him to develop him as ruckman...
BTW - If he plays mostly VFL this year , primarily as a forward, how many goals would you expect him to kick? By your standards, I'd imagine at least 50..should pee in the Frosty Miller....
I'd hope if he stays injury free and plays mainly in the VFL I think 60-70 goals is a good return
With regard to TAC cup, he rarely played ruck. Was known to not like rucking front on contests (centre bounces) and hence never developed this as part of his gamr
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So that proves beyond a doubt he's that already a better player right now? Before he's even played a competitive match? Ok, if you say so.....
I don't say so, it just raises an interesting question as to why Chol's getting the nod before McBean. I'm just interested in people's views
Throw in the fact for NAB 2, neither Vickery or Griffiths were available and McBean still get a call up; just begs the question why. And the argument that they played Chaplin instead is in a way flawed because in NAB 1, they played Vickery, Chaplin, Chol, Griffiths
I'll concede he's a better ruck prospect than McBean, but I've never really considered McBean a ruckman or anything more than a back up ruck at best....and given our current paucity of genuine rucks, particularly high leaping rucks....I'd say that's a lot to do with why Choi's being given a run atm...
:thumbsup
Interesting you say (like big tone does) that you don't see him as a ruckman. It appears not many people do. I didn't follow him at all as junior but did he play as ruckman in the TAC Cup? Reason I ask is because I thought we actually drafted him to develop him as ruckman...
BTW - If he plays mostly VFL this year , primarily as a forward, how many goals would you expect him to kick? By your standards, I'd imagine at least 50..should pee in the Frosty Miller....
I'd hope if he stays injury free and plays mainly in the VFL I think 60-70 goals is a good return
With regard to TAC cup, he rarely played ruck. Was known to not like rucking front on contests (centre bounces) and hence never developed this as part of his gamr
So why has the club consistently said they see him as a ruckman long term.I have a good idea why but i would like to hear it from someone else first.
In regard ruck contests we could have been talking about Vickery.
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They haven't said they see him as a ruckman ffs
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more made up stuff.
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I can only find one comment about McBean and rucking from Dan Richardson.
“And, then, we’ve obviously got the likes of Ty (Vickery) and ‘Griff’ (Ben Griffiths), and even Liam McBean, who can pinch hit in the ruck too.”
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2015-11-23/no-rucking-issue-for-tigers
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more made up stuff.
Lol more innuendo you still sooking .
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more made up stuff.
Lol more innuendo you still sooking .
when have the club stated McBean is a ruckman?
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club have never said they drafted him to be a ruck. It was a fwd, defender and maybe even pinch hit in the ruck.
As a junior he spent a fair bit of time playing in the backline too.
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but claw said they did
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Pretty sure McBean partnered Joe Daniher up forward at Aberfeldie....spent time down back in the TAC cup but was primarily a forward there too......was drafted as a forward who could potentially play both ends and could pinch hit in the ruck......
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more made up stuff.
Lol more innuendo you still sooking .
:lol not innuendo, blunt statement of fact.
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more made up stuff.
Lol more innuendo .
when have the club stated McBean is a ruckman?
they said it once about 3 mins after he was drafted
this apparently means "consistently" year in year out
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Massive crowd.
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Where is the stuffing updates
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Where is the stuffing updates
Not looking great early petey. Missing targets up forward, conca being conca and umpire screwed us. Two goals down early.
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Chol isn't close to being ready
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Titch injured.
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Chol isn't close to being ready
Neither is McBean but some push for them to play instead of "gifting games" to other blokes. The irony.
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Tigers beginning to settle now. Lids super goal puts us up by 14.
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Conca rubbish
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Vickery can't clunk
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Edwards scapula
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Conca rubbish
Has single handedly saved 2 goals
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Being opened up now.
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Conca rubbish
Has single handedly saved 2 goals
:lol
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
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Townsend and menadue best 22
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Chol reality check.
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
Is that worse?
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
Is that worse?
When you can't walk well with a suspected clavicle its often a bust high up in the blade closer to the shoulder - Acromion. Can be more problematic healing with more limited movement. Speaking from experience lads
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He'll be back by round 6
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
Is that worse?
When you can't walk well with a suspected clavicle its often a bust high up in the blade closer to the shoulder - Acromion. Can be more problematic healing with more limited movement. Speaking from experience lads
Well that's just stuffed and sounds a whole lot more painful
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Well that quarter was atrocious, fumble fumble and no run and carry. Geez we miss Miles but honestly based on what i just watched and with Titch likely missing for quite a while I am feeling very pessimistic about the season ahead.
I am particularly worried about Dusty who I feel is turning into a bit of a one trick pony. The opposition are waiting for the fend and now are handling him better one on one. He has no speed so is constantly getting caught and his disposal is not the best either. To me we seem like a team of scrappers with no x-factor.
Vickery is woeful tonight, constantly losing marking duals and giving away stupid frees, I hope its just a hangover from the concussion. I know its NAB 3 but really I think the players need a bit of a rocket given we are only a couple of weeks off the start of the season and as we all know our slow starts to seasons has killed us in the past.
I also hope Gale is watching in respect to any contract extension for Hardwick because again I know its just NAB Challenge but really....showed nothing in that first half.
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
Is that worse?
When you can't walk well with a suspected clavicle its often a bust high up in the blade closer to the shoulder - Acromion. Can be more problematic healing with more limited movement. Speaking from experience lads
Well that's just stuffed and sounds a whole lot more painful
Round 5-6 return. If it's a straight up clavicle maybe round 3-4
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Griffiths should replace Chol. Was good tonight.
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Who else was good tonight?
Yarran move ok?
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Bomb, bomb, bomb and they are strolling out of backline, goes up there end and the sphincter tightens with Wingard and Gray dangerous all the time.
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I'll put it out there, Hamspson is better than Maric at the centre bounce.
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They have us for leg speed.
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Concerning how easily they are slicing us open
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Rioli :thumbsup
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Positive for mine is the way astbury is moving tonight, looks a lot better than he did 3 weeks back. We need him to stand up and become part of our best side.
Like the way Townsend goes about it too
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Vickery cheap over the back repeatedly tonight.
You can probably bank on Vickery being the same player in 17
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Chol more contested marks than vickery
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Conca turnover
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conca has zero class receives the ball on HB running full speed and then looks to give off a sideways hand pass :facepalm
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He's a moron
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He's a moron
Maybe he is just a bloke who turns the ball over.
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Conca played a good game but unfortunately i think you will find he just did his hammy :banghead
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Hampson is by far the worst footy player i have ever seen :banghead
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Wrong
He is no footy player
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And Townsend down is a horror night.
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Conca played a good game but unfortunately i think you will find he just did his hammy :banghead
And no one noticed or cared because he is poo. The end
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Astbury and Jack probably our best, Dusty not sure about, frustrated, no easy possesions and quite honestly he just doesnt look on his game tonight. Of the others we dont have anyone really capable of impacting the game. Cotch has done alot of diving into packs but apart from that its the EF all over again with little if no impact. Still it is only NAB 3 and we are down to one player out of 6 on the bench so not expecting much in the last quarter. Will be thankful if we can simply escape with no further injuries
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stuff me Hampson! It's only preseason but he's already making my blood boil with his stupid gumby play
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stuff me Hampson! It's only preseason but he's already making my blood boil with his stupid gumby play
He would've missed anyway.
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True true :snidegrin
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Foot skills going in board tonight is atrocious.
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Lennon and Broad have been solid in the second half
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This is giving me zero confidence for the season. Quite simply we've been pathetic tonight in skill and attitude. Hampson OMG wouldn't get a game for my district league club. Chol, how he is getting a game before Griffiths and McBean I don't know. A
I would say you couldn't get a bigger wake up call than this
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1.9.15 to 10.7.67 since quarter time
Morons
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Look at the bully boys running now. Love to run when it's going their way
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Just the nab I know.. But we are very far off.
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Explains Dustys mood tonight.
m.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-news-tiger-dustin-martins-father-faces-deportation-20160310-gng0mj.html
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Won't beat carlton like this
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We're playing with less men lads... Ease up on the doomsday talk
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Not fit. Not strong
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15 on the ground and we still can't win :banghead
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Not fit. Not strong
Was that your excuse when you broke your collarbone, sorry acromion?
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Last few mins Schulz and Ebert seemed to do a calf and hammy from port. Less interchanges affecting the players?
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Lennon and Broad have been solid in the second half
Broad has a way to go. Has a dip but need to clean up his kicking and decision making. Play well in the VFL and we might see him later in the year but cant replace Batch IMO.
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Won't beat carlton like this
Yes we will.
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Not fit. Not strong
Was that your excuse when you broke your collarbone?
Didn't break my collar bone and never pretended to be fit enough for top level
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People please move on, nothing to see here...non event game and for the most part thats how they played. Dusty obviously affected by his Father's issues and just wanted to push and shove. Titch out for 6-8 weeks and the only injury I was happy to see was Hampster who looks to have reinjured whatever he had bandaged up, the sooner we discharge him the better.
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Lennon and Broad have been solid in the second half
Broad has a way to go. Has a dip but need to clean up his kicking and decision making. Play well in the VFL and we might see him later in the year but cant replace Batch IMO.
Disagree, will make a few blues as he gets used to the pace of afl this season but already offers more than Batch imo, is quick and put on some big spoils 3rd man up. Will play round 1 imo
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I'll put it out there, Hamspson is better than Maric at the centre bounce.
But worse than every player in the comp. around the ground.....
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People please move on, nothing to see here...non event game and for the most part thats how they played. Dusty obviously affected by his Father's issues and just wanted to push and shove. Titch out for 6-8 weeks and the only injury I was happy to see was Hampster who looks to have reinjured whatever he had bandaged up, the sooner we discharge him the better.
Maybe but we looked insipid.
Really basic turnovers under little pressure.
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Might have to cancel the intra club next week?
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I'll put it out there, Hamspson is better than Maric at the centre bounce.
But worse than every player in the comp. around the ground.....
His marking was more laughable than usual.
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People please move on, nothing to see here...non event game and for the most part thats how they played. Dusty obviously affected by his Father's issues and just wanted to push and shove. Titch out for 6-8 weeks and the only injury I was happy to see was Hampster who looks to have reinjured whatever he had bandaged up, the sooner we discharge him the better.
Yet obviously still a roller coaster of emotion for you....
Well that quarter was atrocious, fumble fumble and no run and carry. Geez we miss Miles but honestly based on what i just watched and with Titch likely missing for quite a while I am feeling very pessimistic about the season ahead.
I am particularly worried about Dusty who I feel is turning into a bit of a one trick pony. The opposition are waiting for the fend and now are handling him better one on one. He has no speed so is constantly getting caught and his disposal is not the best either. To me we seem like a team of scrappers with no x-factor.
Vickery is woeful tonight, constantly losing marking duals and giving away stupid frees, I hope its just a hangover from the concussion. I know its NAB 3 but really I think the players need a bit of a rocket given we are only a couple of weeks off the start of the season and as we all know our slow starts to seasons has killed us in the past.
I also hope Gale is watching in respect to any contract extension for Hardwick because again I know its just NAB Challenge but really....showed nothing in that first half.
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I'll put it out there, Hamspson is better than Maric at the centre bounce.
But worse than every player in the comp. around the ground.....
His marking was more laughable than usual.
Bin lids for hands
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People please move on, nothing to see here...non event game and for the most part thats how they played. Dusty obviously affected by his Father's issues and just wanted to push and shove. Titch out for 6-8 weeks and the only injury I was happy to see was Hampster who looks to have reinjured whatever he had bandaged up, the sooner we discharge him the better.
Maybe but we looked insipid.
Really basic turnovers under little pressure.
Totally agree that our skill level generally was poor and turnovers killed us tonight, plenty for the coaches to work on with focus clearly on round 1.
Obvious setback with Titch but once we put our best side on the park I think we will see some marked improvement.
Biggest positive tonight for me was Astbury, hopefully he can keep Chaplin out of the side.
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Rubbish attempt at a lead in game. 4 goals in 4 quarters and 1 after quarter time.
Injuries everywhere.
Unprofessional club always playing the victim of circumstance
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Lennon and Broad have been solid in the second half
Broad has a way to go. Has a dip but need to clean up his kicking and decision making. Play well in the VFL and we might see him later in the year but cant replace Batch IMO.
Disagree, will make a few blues as he gets used to the pace of afl this season but already offers more than Batch imo, is quick and put on some big spoils 3rd man up. Will play round 1 imo
Well if he plays round 1 I hope he improves his one on one defending and the other mentioned points. Has great pace but you need more than that to play with the big boys.
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People please move on, nothing to see here...non event game and for the most part thats how they played. Dusty obviously affected by his Father's issues and just wanted to push and shove. Titch out for 6-8 weeks and the only injury I was happy to see was Hampster who looks to have reinjured whatever he had bandaged up, the sooner we discharge him the better.
Yet obviously still a roller coaster of emotion for you....
Well that quarter was atrocious, fumble fumble and no run and carry. Geez we miss Miles but honestly based on what i just watched and with Titch likely missing for quite a while I am feeling very pessimistic about the season ahead.
I am particularly worried about Dusty who I feel is turning into a bit of a one trick pony. The opposition are waiting for the fend and now are handling him better one on one. He has no speed so is constantly getting caught and his disposal is not the best either. To me we seem like a team of scrappers with no x-factor.
Vickery is woeful tonight, constantly losing marking duals and giving away stupid frees, I hope its just a hangover from the concussion. I know its NAB 3 but really I think the players need a bit of a rocket given we are only a couple of weeks off the start of the season and as we all know our slow starts to seasons has killed us in the past.
I also hope Gale is watching in respect to any contract extension for Hardwick because again I know its just NAB Challenge but really....showed nothing in that first half.
LOL....sorry for being a typical Richmond supporter :gotigers
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Hope Derwood brings in Butler for Edwards.....knowing him though, we'll more likely see the return of Slip n' Side Morris, the non-tackling defensive forward who doesn't kick goals......or Taylor Hunt......
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Injury Dome strikes again :thumbsdown :help :banghead. I always dread us playing there.
I couldn't careless about the scoreboard in a preseason game but to lose 4 players before the season starts is a shocker of a result. Especially Titch as he is a big loss :(.
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Totally agree that our skill level generally was poor and turnovers killed us tonight, plenty for the coaches to work on with focus clearly on round 1.
Obvious setback with Titch but once we put our best side on the park I think we will see some marked improvement.
Biggest positive tonight for me was Astbury, hopefully he can keep Chaplin out of the side.
Yep our kicking was deplorable
Losing Eswards is a massive blow, hopefully not as bad as some are suggesting. Will know today after further scans
Re Astbury, don't agree, though he made a couple of bad blunders for a defender. Gifted Port a goal with punching the ball towards the goals in the 2nd. Looked slow in his decision making. But though his 2nd half was a lot better that his first
Reckon Chaplin is a lock for round 1
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How did Townsend get KO'd ?
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who gives a stuff about the result. Better still who even watched it. We will comfortably win Round 1.
Its about the performance of guys like Hampson which never ceases to amaze me. FM dimwit why do you even bother with this hack even for a pre season game. Throw in Conca and you have a perfect storm of duds.
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How did Townsend get KO'd ?
Tackled someone with his head
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Hampson is awful
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Thought Cyril 2.0 was good. I would play him round 1. Same with the Due.
Ruck position is a worry.
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Injury Dome strikes again :thumbsdown :help :banghead. I always dread us playing there.
I couldn't careless about the scoreboard in a preseason game but to lose 4 players before the season starts is a shocker of a result. Especially Titch as he is a big loss :(.
it may mean some of the kids will get a run.there is always a silver lining. Besides 7th yr 2 year contract extension a few injuries wont affect us or will they.
Just the excuses we are looking for eh.
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Edwards scapula
Or clavicle?
Cracked Acromion
Is that worse?
When you can't walk well with a suspected clavicle its often a bust high up in the blade closer to the shoulder - Acromion. Can be more problematic healing with more limited movement. Speaking from experience lads
When you have a suspected clavicle it's usually not in the blade (scapula) :lol :lol
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And when you can't walk without any fractures then :rollin
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#porthavegonepastus ( again )
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What we learned from your club in the NAB Challenge
Nathan Schmook
AFL.com.au
March 14, 2016
Richmond
Jacob Townsend is the hard nut the Tigers' midfield needed
He has some work to do on his tackling technique if he doesn't want to end games early, but the way Townsend throws himself around and hassles his opponents will be an asset to the Tigers, whose lack of support for Trent Cotchin has been an issue.
Jack Riewoldt's form is too strong for him to be wasted this year
A two-time Coleman medallist, Riewoldt could hit those heights again in 2016 if the Tigers take advantage of a player who looks to be at his peak going into round one. He needs better service than he got in the final NAB Challenge game.
Connor Menadue will be an asset to the Tigers if they protect him
An elite endurance runner and a dangerous long kick, Menadue is a player Damien Hardwick loves and will play often this season. However, he is lightly framed and throws himself into contests, which will make the Tigers nervous until he puts on the size he needs to play his natural game at AFL level.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-03-13/what-we-learned-from-your-club-in-the-nab-challenge