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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2016, 08:20:59 PM »
So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?

Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???

IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.

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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2016, 09:04:09 PM »
So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?

Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???

IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.

Fair enough

But why do you think he hasnt played in the NAB, and I'm not looking for "Dimma doesn't rate/like him" comments

Really interested in peoples views as to why Chol appears to have gone past him in the pecking order because that seems to be the case
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2016, 09:10:30 PM »
Watching them at training the other day it's not hard to realise why Chol has gone past him. Chol is just so athletic and has great hands. His leap leaves you gasping. I can't wait for him to put on 10 kg of muscle. McBean should be so far ahead but he doesn't look that way, at least at training. If this is what I saw, the coaches see the same thing in front of them.
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2016, 09:11:51 PM »
McBean, at 200 plus cms, needs to do what Chol does at 200 plus cms. That is, add more strings to your bow than being a lead up forward.

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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2016, 11:00:12 PM »
You mean like also being as good below the knees as I've seen for anyone above 6'4?.

Which is why I find WP's comments about his agility so hilarious....makes me wonder if he's ever seen him outside of televised matches...if Choi is better below the knees then he's a 200 cm Phil Matera....
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2016, 11:16:36 PM »
So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?

Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???

IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.

Don't think he's a better leap? Gee wiz. Also think Chol is more well-rounded. Can actually take an over head mark

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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2016, 02:31:09 AM »
McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2016, 07:03:54 AM »
McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...

It's the Frosty Miller medal BTW and he won it kicking less than 60 goals (might have been 50 goals) in a season

But I do question your comment of he has the "runs on the board"? His "runs" are in the VFL, where the difference in standard (VFL to AFL) as I've said is massive. How can any of us say for certain McBean is going to cut it at AFL.

You also suggest that Chol could "easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel". Would suggest that currently all we have with McBean is a highlight reel and people want him playing seniors based on that. Granted some of the highlights are super impressive but let's also consider what's not on the highlight reel. The lack of 2nd efforts in VFL games because he doesn't have the tank to do it. He's had 3 years in the system now let's hope that's improved in 2016

I hope both players make it but right now I wouldn't play them in the same side and I think Chol has gone past McBean. Rightly or wrongly, the non appearance of McBean in the NAB series suggest this is the case
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2016, 08:45:19 AM »
So why haven't either of them been picked for any of the three pre-season matches? Injured or just on the outer?
I add a question too. Are they working hard enough?

Maybe others in a very short time have gone past them in work rate and adaptability to the game plan???

IMESHO, you cannot play McBean & Choi in the same side. And at this stage I'd argue Choi is ahead of McBean, better leap, better below the knees, more agile and (early doors) more footy smarts in that his reaction time appears a lot quicker than McBean's
Don't agree with any of that regarding McBean. So far off the mark IMO.

Fair enough

But why do you think he hasnt played in the NAB, and I'm not looking for "Dimma doesn't rate/like him" comments

Really interested in peoples views as to why Chol appears to have gone past him in the pecking order because that seems to be the case
My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
If not it's the wrong move not to play McBean in any of the practice matches. Even if Chol has gone past him, aren't practice games to have a look at blokes?? Sometimes watching guys train just isn't enough.
Dimma at his finest if this is the case.
Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman, he is what he is and that's a leading forward that has played some pretty good footy at the second best level. He is not a super athlete with a huge leap or a big pack mark, he leads well at the footy and at the right times and he kicks straight. His height and his ability below his knees make him an extremely hard match up at any level. I'd like to see him play a block of games at some stage during the year.

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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2016, 09:59:33 AM »
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2016, 11:45:36 AM »
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2016, 11:50:06 AM »
My honest answer is I don't know. Is McBean injured?
I don't think so because he was named in the NAB 2 squad, so unless an injury has happened since then, the answer would appear no

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Anyway I don't ever see McBean as a ruckman,

Why's that big tone?

Body shape? Not enough strength?

IMV in 3 years he doesn't appear to have added any bulk (especially across the shoulders) so I agree unless he can do that he's not a ruck option. But I would think it would also limit him in his ability to take contested marks. Get your point about being a lead up forward but there will always be times he needs to compete and clunk a few contested marks

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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2016, 12:46:18 PM »
McBean has runs on the board to the tune of 100 + goals in three seasons and a VFL Coleman....so far Chol's only played two hit & giggle practice matches...let's see how he goes amongst the grown-ups once they start getting serious....he may well be a superstar one day......he could also just as easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel...

It's the Frosty Miller medal BTW and he won it kicking less than 60 goals (might have been 50 goals) in a season

But I do question your comment of he has the "runs on the board"? His "runs" are in the VFL, where the difference in standard (VFL to AFL) as I've said is massive. How can any of us say for certain McBean is going to cut it at AFL.

You also suggest that Chol could "easily be another hack with a cool highlight reel". Would suggest that currently all we have with McBean is a highlight reel and people want him playing seniors based on that. Granted some of the highlights are super impressive but let's also consider what's not on the highlight reel. The lack of 2nd efforts in VFL games because he doesn't have the tank to do it. He's had 3 years in the system now let's hope that's improved in 2016

I hope both players make it but right now I wouldn't play them in the same side and I think Chol has gone past McBean. Rightly or wrongly, the non appearance of McBean in the NAB series suggest this is the case

I know what the medal is actually called, I have mentioned it before.

Yes McBean does have more runs on the board in high level competitive football - considerably more. VFL premiership matches are far more competitive than early NAB challenge matches where no-one is match fit yet, the sides aren't full strength, most players aren't going at anything  close to 100%, players are often played out of position and everyone is trying to avoid injuries. McBean's played over 40 of the former , Chol's played only two of the latter.

McBean's goal tally has been up there with the best in the comp. each year despite each year being interrupted by injury and/or senior selection and him playing less matches than his main rivals - the VFL season is only 18 matches long to start with. He's also done this in a bottom 4 side with abysmal delivery from a sub-standard midfield often on dung heaps, in appalling conditions - not the MCG on a nice, mild sunny afternoon or Etihad with the roof closed, receiving lace outs on the tit from Deledio & Martin.

I know what his strengths & weaknesses are, I've seen plenty of him live and close -up but again, your assertion that a kid who's played only two hit & giggle practice matches so far has already gone past him - effectively saying he's a better, more proven player is frankly, absurd.

Reminds me of some of the reactions to Tambling after his first NAB Cup.
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2016, 12:54:45 PM »
Watching them at training the other day it's not hard to realise why Chol has gone past him. Chol is just so athletic and has great hands. His leap leaves you gasping. I can't wait for him to put on 10 kg of muscle. McBean should be so far ahead but he doesn't look that way, at least at training. If this is what I saw, the coaches see the same thing in front of them.

why?

he was always a project player

he has dominated in the vfl

im not sure what else he is sposed to do when he isnt given games yet deserving them
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Re: NAB 3: Richmond vs Port Adelaide @ Etihad
« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2016, 01:41:34 PM »
It doesn't matter whether Chol has gone past him or not, Bean still deserved a NAB Cup game. Even stuffing Soldo got one.

It must be a perceived character/application thing. Clearly Dimma isn't happy with him .