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Title: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: one-eyed on March 14, 2016, 05:21:37 PM
Best defence

Ben Higgins
Herald Sun
March 12, 2016


* Clubs are listing in order of overall list quality.

* Champion Data quality rankings take into account results from the past two years with a 75 per cent weighting on last year’s results.

Club             Quality   Depth (all listed DEFs)  Quality (best 6)  Top Player
Hawthorn           1st             13th                 3rd          Josh Gibson
West Coast         2nd             13th                 1st          Jeremy McGovern
Fremantle         11th             12th                15th          Michael Johnson
Sydney             5th             11th                10th          Heath Grundy
Port Adelaide      8th             12th                 5th          Jack Hombsch
Geelong           10th             10th                12th          Harry Taylor
Collingwood        3rd             12th                 7th          Nathan J. Brown
Richmond           7th             12th                 6th          Alex Rance
North Melbourne    9th             14th                 9th          Scott D. Thompson
Western Bulldogs   6th             15th                 2nd          Easton Wood
GWS Giants         4th             13th                 4th          Nick Haynes
Adelaide          13th             15th                 8th          Brodie Smith
Gold Coast        15th             12th                11th          Steven May
Melbourne         14th             10th                14th          Tom McDonald
St Kilda          12th             14th                13th          Sam Fisher
Brisbane          18th             16th                17th          Daniel Rich
Essendon          17th             11th                18th          Nathan Grima
Carlton           16th             12th                16th          Kade Simpson

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/western-bulldogs-defence-surprises-west-coast-and-hawthorn-well-placed-for-premiership/news-story/bbe0cd3918997a8fb1b69b98b93400ff
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: mat073 on March 15, 2016, 01:55:52 PM
In terms of points conceded  .....

3 rd most miserly defence in 2013
8 th most miserly defence in 2014
3 rd most miserly defence in 2015

So naturally Champion data ranks Richmond 7th  :wallywink :help ::)
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 03:55:20 PM
Houli
Hunt
Chaplin

Not good enough

3rd best my ass
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: mat073 on March 15, 2016, 04:07:57 PM
They are statistical facts over a 66 game period.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 04:13:58 PM
The stats are pumped up by a defensive, ineffective game plan ala kicking to th pockets and hoping to get a throw in

Get Hurley
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: tony_montana on March 15, 2016, 04:16:11 PM
Player for player hawthorns defence has never been what I'd term elite but as a group they are awesome. Similarly as a group we have a good defence/defensive setup, even though there is some perceived individual weaknesses there
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 04:17:03 PM
Lol
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: tony_montana on March 15, 2016, 04:18:26 PM
larf it up, proof is there
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 04:20:42 PM
Yes the synergy between between chaplin-Morris-Houli-bachelor strikes me also as on par with the four flag winnig hawks outfit 
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on March 15, 2016, 04:22:30 PM
They are statistical facts over a 66 game period.

Hunt hasn't been here for 66 matches...try again, protected troll.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: tony_montana on March 15, 2016, 04:25:28 PM

No-one is saying we are hawthorn, merely stating you don't need to have the best players individually for a defence to be very good. The fact of the matter is, collectively, our defence has statistically proven to be very good over the past 3 years. I know that doesn't sit well with the whole chaplin, Grigg, Houli thing you have going, but meh it is what it is.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 04:28:29 PM

No-one is saying we are hawthorn, merely stating you don't need to have the best players individually for a defence to be very good. The fact of the matter is, collectively, our defence has statistically proven to be very good over the past 3 years. I know that doesn't sit well with the whole chaplin, Grigg, Houli thing you have going, but meh it is what it is.

It's very harsh on rance to expect him to carry to duds year upon year.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: tony_montana on March 15, 2016, 04:29:56 PM

No-one is saying we are hawthorn, merely stating you don't need to have the best players individually for a defence to be very good. The fact of the matter is, collectively, our defence has statistically proven to be very good over the past 3 years. I know that doesn't sit well with the whole chaplin, Grigg, Houli thing you have going, but meh it is what it is.

It's very harsh on rance to expect him to carry to duds year upon year.
Grigg, Chaplin, Houli
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Stalin on March 15, 2016, 04:31:36 PM
Hunt , bachelor, Morris




Defence stallions the six of them.
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: tony_montana on March 15, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
Geez you love taking discussions into BS territory


Grimes Rance Astbury
Houli Chaplin Vlastuin

Hopefully soon, Broad replaces Chaplin. Otherwise I'm confident that is a good back 6.

Batch hunt Morris? That's old news
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: mat073 on March 15, 2016, 04:45:05 PM
They are statistical facts over a 66 game period.

Hunt hasn't been here for 66 matches...try again, protected troll.

Is Hunt even considered part of the back 6 ???

Grimes Rance Batchelor
Houli Chaplin Vlastuin
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: 🏅Dooks on March 15, 2016, 05:26:25 PM
They are statistical facts over a 66 game period.

Hunt hasn't been here for 66 matches...try again, protected troll.

Is Hunt even considered part of the back 6 ???

Grimes Rance Batchelor
Houli Chaplin Vlastuin

Since when do we line up with only six backs?
Title: Re: Champion Data rates Richmond's defence as 7th best (Herald-Sun)
Post by: Diocletian on March 15, 2016, 06:28:22 PM
They are statistical facts over a 66 game period.

Hunt hasn't been here for 66 matches...try again, protected troll.

Is Hunt even considered part of the back 6 ???

Grimes Rance Batchelor
Houli Chaplin Vlastuin

Bents brought him up in the post above yours....I assumed you were responding to that...

...and yes he's not usually part of our starting back 6 but he does generally play in back half more often than not.....