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Richmond reveals grand plan for 40,000-seat stadium at Punt Rd
MARK ROBINSON
Herald Sun
March 17, 2016 8:00pm
RICHMOND has proposed a glittering third stadium for Melbourne as an alternative to Eddie McGuire’s proposed 60,000-seat extravaganza across the railway tracks.
The Tigers’ Punt Rd Oval master plan centres on a new stadium with up to 40,000 seats and a fans’ zone area between the ground and the neighbouring MCG.
Importantly, Richmond railway station is part of the redevelopment plan.
“Is a third stadium worth exploring? I don’t know, that will be up to the AFL, but we want to be in the discussion,’’ Tigers chief executive Brendon Gale told the Herald Sun.
Former AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou was a key supporter of the plans when they were mooted in 2013 and the cost of an 18,000-seat stadium was put at $180 million.
A capacity increased to 40,000 would mean a blowout to an estimated $380 million.
It is understood senior AFL officials have seen architects’ drawings, revealed by the Herald Sun.
Funding would be expected to come from the AFL and the State Government and would not require the sale of Etihad Stadium, like the McGuire plan.
Gale said Punt Rd was an obvious choice for a third venue.
“We are in the process of developing a master plan for this precinct,” Gale said.
“Back in 2013, Demetriou was the driver of this and the attraction for them was having a lower capacity, lower cost stadium for smaller fixtures.
“And also stadium economics and finances are the biggest driver of disparity of wealth (among clubs) and we could try to address that by having a third venue.
“So, Andrew said ‘would you be interested in having a look at it for Punt Rd?’
“Punt Rd should be in the frame. It’s an existing venue, it wouldn’t require the selling of Etihad, and the Richmond railway station has been the agenda for a number of years and maybe this gives the government the opportunity to redevelop that.”
The debate ignited when Collingwood president McGuire suggested a new stadium on the Hisense Arena site prompted the Richmond senior management to put the Punt Rd plans back on the agenda at a meeting two weeks ago. The MCC was also briefed.
There is no State Government engagement as yet, but Gale believes Premier Daniel Andrews, who is also a supporter in principle of McGuire’s stadium plan, should be a substantial funds contributor.
“The economic impact of this game is huge, $3 billion, half a million members, how many fans are there in Victoria?’’ Gale said.
“This game is a huge driver of this economy. And I think we’re entitled to question the extent our government invests in football relative to other states.”
It is understood the AFL favours a refurbishment of Etihad Stadium rather than selling it and building at Hisense Arena, and Gale agrees.
“Our personal view is we keep Etihad Stadium,” he said.
“It’s going to be worth $1 billion and we’ve got an 18th share in that in 2026. It’s a huge asset for the competition.
“So, what’s attractive about this is the capacity of maybe 40,000, which would support the business models of some clubs.”
McGuire’s plan, which would cost an estimated $1 billion, has the support of several clubs and major events king Ron Walker.
But not everyone believes it would be the right move. Former Premier Jeff Kennett has said the idea was already “dead and buried”.
The Tigers have a lease at Punt Rd and would use it as club HQ and training ground.
They believe a redevelopment of the railway station, with a new stadium on the way to the MCG, would enhance one of the world’s best sporting precincts.
(http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/71c69249f195207e26246ee8f209f7fd?width=650)
How a redeveloped Punt Rd Oval will look next to the MCG.
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An architect’s impression of how Punt Rd Oval would look as a 40,000-seat AFL venue, with a rejuvenated Richmond station as part of the master plan.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-reveals-grand-plan-for-40000seat-stadium-at-punt-rd/news-story/1206f2549e5a4166381f96e5c70d162b
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I like it.
But....what of the newly upgraded Punt Rd Oval?
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Hell yes
:bow :bow
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Too close to the G. They should have built Waverley at Elsternwick park as originally planned
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Too close to the G. They should have built Waverley at Elsternwick park as originally planned
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This is a good idea.
Kardinia Park in the heart of Richmond.
Perhaps the AFL will let US play our home games there against the Cats ;D
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I like it.
But....what of the newly upgraded Punt Rd Oval?
(https://australianclimatemadness.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/money_down_toilet1.jpg)
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This is a good idea.
Kardinia Park in the heart of Richmond.
Perhaps the AFL will let US play our home games there against the Cats ;D
Exactly. Stick it up em
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Not here nor there to with it to be honest as long as the Club isn't expecting the member's & supporter's to fund via the FTF
But there is one little "glitch" re the architect's impression of what it would look like. Said architect has flicked they Jack Dyer stand which can't happen as I think it may be heritage listed. Can renovate it but not knock it down ;D Carry on
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Too close to the G. They should have built Waverley at Elsternwick park as originally planned
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Madness
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Elsternwick lol
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But they can't win a final.....
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Elsternwick lol
Its actually pretty central and is a massive piece of land. Would suit saints and demons fans very well. Those clubs need a 40k stadium. Dogs and Roos fans can share Etihad after they cut the cost of food and parking by 50% 8)
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But they can't win a final.....
There is no such a word as cant
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Collingwood boss Eddie McGuire says comparing it to his plans, revealed by the Herald Sun last week, is “like comparing apples and elephants”.
According to the Magpies president, a more holistic approach is needed.
“This is a couple of years old this plan,” he said on Triple M.
“Let me go back to what the premise was for this – we needed a smaller ground. There have been plans – I’ve got plans actually, and I’m not being silly here, for Victoria Park… moving across to the railyards, we’ve looked at Arden Street Oval. Princes Park doesn’t work for the same reason it shut down – local residents won’t let you do parking and the rest of it.
“If you want to have a game of footy, this is a great idea. But if you want to build a concert venue, have the Olympic Games in Melbourne, then I believe you have to go for the big one.”
Punt Road works because it’s next to Richmond station.
“The Tigers one is a good idea in the precinct. Where it differs from my idea is this – the Tigers’ idea is that we keep Etihad, and that’s fine, and we build this.
“Now all up, there’s not going to be much change out of $800 million by the time you fix up Etihad and you do this. It’s all very well to say Etihad is worth $1 billion – it’s only worth something if you sell it.
“My thesis has always been about redeveloping Punt Road and a bigger infrastructure plan – Melbourne rather than footy.
“If you want to have a game of footy, this is a great idea. But if you want to build a concert venue, have the Olympic Games in Melbourne, then I believe you have to go for the big one.”
Former AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou was a key supporter of the plans when they were mooted in 2013 and the cost of an 18,000-seat stadium was put at $180 million.
A capacity increased to 40,000 would mean a blowout to an estimated $380 million.
It is understood senior AFL officials have seen architects’ drawings, revealed by the Herald Sun.
Funding would be expected to come from the AFL and the State Government and would not require the sale of Etihad Stadium, like the McGuire plan.
Punt Rd should be in the frame. It’s an existing venue (and) it wouldn’t require the selling of Etihad Stadium
Gale said Punt Rd was an obvious choice for a third venue.
“We are in the process of developing a master plan for this precinct,” Gale said.
“Back in 2013, Demetriou was the driver of this and the attraction for them was having a lower capacity, lower cost stadium for smaller fixtures.
“And also stadium economics and finances are the biggest driver of disparity of wealth (among clubs) and we could try to address that by having a third venue.
“So, Andrew said ‘would you be interested in having a look at it for Punt Rd?’
“Punt Rd should be in the frame. It’s an existing venue, it wouldn’t require the selling of Etihad, and the Richmond railway station has been the agenda for a number of years and maybe this gives the government the opportunity to redevelop that.”
The debate ignited when Collingwood president McGuire suggested a new stadium on the Hisense Arena site prompted the Richmond senior management to put the Punt Rd plans back on the agenda at a meeting two weeks ago. The MCC was also briefed.
There is no State Government engagement as yet, but Gale believes Premier Daniel Andrews, who is also a supporter in principle of McGuire’s stadium plan, should be a substantial funds contributor.
“The economic impact of this game is huge, $3 billion, half a million members, how many fans are there in Victoria?’’ Gale said.
“This game is a huge driver of this economy. And I think we’re entitled to question the extent our government invests in football relative to other states.”
It is understood the AFL favours a refurbishment of Etihad Stadium rather than selling it and building at Hisense Arena, and Gale agrees.
“Our personal view is we keep Etihad Stadium,” he said.
“It’s going to be worth $1 billion and we’ve got an 18th share in that in 2026. It’s a huge asset for the competition.
“So, what’s attractive about this is the capacity of maybe 40,000, which would support the business models of some clubs.”
McGuire’s plan, which would cost an estimated $1 billion, has the support of several clubs and major events king Ron Walker.
But not everyone believes it would be the right move. Former Premier Jeff Kennett has said the idea was already “dead and buried”.
The Tigers have a lease at Punt Rd and would use it as club HQ and training ground.
They believe a redevelopment of the railway station, with a new stadium on the way to the MCG, would enhance one of the world’s best sporting precincts.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/richmond-reveals-grand-plan-for-40000seat-stadium-at-punt-rd/news-story/1206f2549e5a4166381f96e5c70d162b#load-story-comments
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Gale going for a Strategic Master Plan for the precinct is a major advantage over Eddies Idea. As far as DELWP goes and the State Govt Treasury, It ticks procedural boxes for land use and development as well as funding and makes Eddies plan look comical.
The heritage matter re the Dyer stand can be got around. Demolish and rebuild/incorporate.
Don't be surprised if this actually gains momentum maybe more seats but yeah :gotigers
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If we were a minnow club , I'd be all over it , we aren't so how the stuff do 80000 members fit in . There will be no GA for even a GC game, will be fully ticketed . I hate the idea
Pro is our trademark that would be completely lost for the benefit of the bottom swilling minnows that couldn't fill a telephone booth
Can't stand the idea :thumbsdown
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If we were a minnow club , I'd be all over it , we aren't so how the stuff do 80000 members fit in . There will be no GA for even a GC game, will be fully ticketed . I hate the idea
Pro is our trademark that would be completely lost for the benefit of the bottom swilling minnows that couldn't fill a telephone booth
Can't stand the idea :thumbsdown
Think of it like this Bojo.
1) % of gate receipts to the club (albeit a slice on a game day, but)we are talking about a significant amount per annum.
2) world class next level training centre (rather than keeping with the pack as per current).
3) 40 Will end up 50k. Happy to pack it out 3-4 games per year as a Richmond home game. Members pay. Up yours interstate teams.
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50 would make it a bit more,versatile but I fear that they would model it smaller to keep costs down, can't see how we would skim the gate if funding was to be mainly from govt and AFL, unless of course we financed it from JDF :shh
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Share it with mvfc
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50 would make it a bit more,versatile but I fear that they would model it smaller to keep costs down, can't see how we would skim the gate if funding was to be mainly from govt and AFL, unless of course we financed it from JDF :shh
Finance it through the JDF? Please that is ...well. ..a....with respect an absolutely stupid comment
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Melbourne rectangular stadium only cost 300 million
:shh
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This is a bad idea for the RFC , we would have very little control should it progress with the major stakes being afl and govt . We would play second fiddle to a JV convention being booked at the ground during our pre season
No longer would the facade be yellow and black. Our Richmond trademark gone . We would be like Melbourne with no home
I don't expect the board and Ceo of the RFC to spend valuable time dreaming up a model that will make the minnows life easier. We need to be planning the next dynasty and that takes time and resource.
If this goes much further , all hell may break loose :shh
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Do you seriously think that even Richmond would be stupid enough to formulate, put forward and then sign -off on a plan that would ultimately disadvantage the club in any way?
Actually..... don't answer that..... :whistle
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There are lots of ways to add rev streams utilising punt rd, what about a Sunday flea market during the off season , 500 stalls at $500 ea . That's 250k per weekend . You could make the place look like an Istanbul street bazar , it's that easy. But I'm sure the commercial ops team have got better ideas ::)
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There are lots of ways to add rev streams utilising punt rd, what about a Sunday flea market during the off season , 500 stalls at $500 ea . That's 250k per weekend . You could make the place look like an Istanbul street bazar , it's that easy. But I'm sure the commercial ops team have got better ideas ::)
Yeah reach for those stars Bojo. Maybe we could open up an OP shop too
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Yes let's put stalls & crap all over the ground and have thousands of people just trapesing about the place every weekend....I'm sure it'll work wonders for the training & playing surface....
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Yes let's put stalls & crap all over the ground and have thousands of people just trapesing about the place every weekend....I'm sure it'll work wonders for the training & playing surface....
Stuffing amatuer hour.
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There are lots of ways to add rev streams utilising punt rd, what about a Sunday flea market during the off season , 500 stalls at $500 ea . That's 250k per weekend . You could make the place look like an Istanbul street bazar , it's that easy. But I'm sure the commercial ops team have got better ideas ::)
:lol
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Do they have Thursday night chook raffles, players auctions and first mark after half time?
That could help finance it.
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AFL chief Gillon McLachlan favours revamp of Etihad Stadium, says two stadiums enough for Melbourne
JON RALPH
Herald Sun
March 19, 2016
GILLON McLachlan says the league doesn’t need a third boutique stadium at Punt Rd, clearly favouring a future refurbishment of Etihad Stadium.
Collingwood president Eddie McGuire and Richmond chief executive Brendon Gale have both put forward alternative stadium proposals in recent weeks.
McGuire wants a 60,000-seat stadium to replace the Docklands venue and the Tigers believe Punt Rd could be a 40,000-seat boutique third stadium.
AFL chief executive McLachlan seems to favour the cheaper version — sprucing up Etihad Stadium after buying it for the right price in coming years.
He put State and Federal governments on notice they must step up with funding for stadium enhancements.
But he does not favour Gale’s model, believing a two-stadium model for the city is enough.
“At Punt Rd the debate is around a third boutique stadium, having a 25,000 or 30,000-seat stadium,’’ McLachlan said.
“My personal view is that two football venues is enough. But it is a worthwhile debate and that is what Brendon and Richmond’s proposal is about.
“They are an excellent candidate if you went down the path of a boutique venue.”
McLachlan said an upgrade of Etihad Stadium could see the AFL “open up the stadium and have it face out as much as in,” in a relatively cheap renovation.
He says for Melbourne to remain relevant as a major sporting town governments need to continue pumping money into infrastructure and venues.
“What this discussion recognises is this is a major events and sports town. It is a big industry and big business in Melbourne and Victoria,’’ McLachlan said.
“We are a $3 billion industry with major events and sports and we need to continue to invest in facilities.
“The NSW government is about to spend $2 billion in the next 10 years on stadia.
“The new Perth stadium is about to come online in 2018. The Adelaide Oval has been a sporting and economic success for Adelaide.
“So upgrading facilities is the right debate for a city like Melbourne to have.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/more-news/afl-chief-gillon-mclachlan-favours-revamp-of-etihad-stadium-says-two-stadiums-enough-for-melbourne/news-story/479102c958cfd1a0616fa721cdc8a367
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Cut the price of food and parking and keep the roof open a lot more please
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Docklands sucks soulless donkey balls
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The best idea would be a redevelopment that would house ~ 10,000 crowd, we could fund the expansion from JDF. Would be a bonanza for our vfl games and still the right size for the minnows v interstate fixtures , a win win, but it prob makes too much sense :shh
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Yes let's put stalls & crap all over the ground and have thousands of people just trapesing about the place every weekend....I'm sure it'll work wonders for the training & playing surface....
Thank goodness I wasn't 'the only one who thought that
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The best idea would be a redevelopment that would house ~ 10,000 crowd, we could fund the expansion from JDF. Would be a bonanza for our vfl games and still the right size for the minnows v interstate fixtures , a win win, but it prob makes too much sense :shh
It makes no sense. You think a stadium that holds only 10k people is going to be used for AFL games.... you're kidding
What's your obsession with the JDF?
Since the introduction of the FTF; contributions to the JDF have dropped considerably
Not sure how a fund with has about $500k-$800k in it is going to fund and expansion to fit 10k spectators
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Yes let's put stalls & crap all over the ground and have thousands of people just trapesing about the place every weekend....I'm sure it'll work wonders for the training & playing surface....
Thank goodness I wasn't 'the only one who thought that
I did mention the off season, the idea may sound a bit crude , however the rough edges could be honed to work
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The best idea would be a redevelopment that would house ~ 10,000 crowd, we could fund the expansion from JDF. Would be a bonanza for our vfl games and still the right size for the minnows v interstate fixtures , a win win, but it prob makes too much sense :shh
It makes no sense. You think a stadium that holds only 10k people is going to be used for AFL games.... you're kidding
What's your obsession with the JDF?
Since the introduction of the FTF; contributions to the JDF have dropped considerably
Not sure how a fund with has about $500k-$800k in it is going to fund and expansion to fit 10k spectators
Is JDF separate to FTF ?
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The best idea would be a redevelopment that would house ~ 10,000 crowd, we could fund the expansion from JDF. Would be a bonanza for our vfl games and still the right size for the minnows v interstate fixtures , a win win, but it prob makes too much sense :shh
It makes no sense. You think a stadium that holds only 10k people is going to be used for AFL games.... you're kidding
What's your obsession with the JDF?
Since the introduction of the FTF; contributions to the JDF have dropped considerably
Not sure how a fund with has about $500k-$800k in it is going to fund and expansion to fit 10k spectators
Is JDF separate to FTF ?
Yes totally separate
But the same rules apply the FTF is not big enough to fund what you are suggesting
And even if it was I don't see why RFC members have to continue to fund the grand plans of the club.
About time Benny and his executive earn their collective keeps and came up with this revenue raising that doesnt rely so heavily on the members
Been saying this for year now
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The best idea would be a redevelopment that would house ~ 10,000 crowd, we could fund the expansion from JDF. Would be a bonanza for our vfl games and still the right size for the minnows v interstate fixtures , a win win, but it prob makes too much sense :shh
It makes no sense. You think a stadium that holds only 10k people is going to be used for AFL games.... you're kidding
What's your obsession with the JDF?
Since the introduction of the FTF; contributions to the JDF have dropped considerably
Not sure how a fund with has about $500k-$800k in it is going to fund and expansion to fit 10k spectators
Is JDF separate to FTF ?
Yes totally separate
But the same rules apply the FTF is not big enough to fund what you are suggesting
And even if it was I don't see why RFC members have to continue to fund the grand plans of the club.
About time Benny and his executive earn their collective keeps and came up with this revenue raising that doesnt rely so heavily on the members
Been saying this for year now
cue the off season flea market :shh
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View at night ...
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/32.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-18/tigers-explore-going-back-to-the-future
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View at night ...
(http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL%20Tenant/Richmond/Images/32.jpg)
http://www.richmondfc.com.au/news/2016-03-18/tigers-explore-going-back-to-the-future
Beautiful. Like it was meant to be
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If it was completely painted Yellow and black I could be bought ::)
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If it was completely painted Yellow and black I could be bought ::)
No. You could be bought for those market stalls and foot traffic chewing up the field. :lol
Madness.
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make it 50 000 seats, and a standing section
play games against small clubs , interstate clubs
49500 richmond fans in a 50k seat stadium would be worth 5 / 6 goals ...
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make it 50 000 seats, and a standing section
play games against small clubs , interstate clubs
49500 richmond fans in a 50k seat stadium would be worth 5 / 6 goals ...
It doesn't need to be 50k. just going by recent years or the last home games we have had the attendances against interstate teams and even a few Melbourne teams has rarely gone over 40k.
AD 43K
BR 34K
FR 39K
GE 45K
GC 38K
GW 35K
NM 47K
PA 27K
ST 47K
SY 34K
WC 45K
WB 49K.
We could easily play 5 or so home games at a 40k PRO in a fantastic intimidating atmosphere and not lose any crowd numbers. The potential for catering gate profits naming rights its endless.
How good to own the catering rights to the ground not just for our games but all games that are played there.
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make it 50 000 seats, and a standing section
play games against small clubs , interstate clubs
49500 richmond fans in a 50k seat stadium would be worth 5 / 6 goals ...
It doesn't need to be 50k. just going by recent years or the last home games we have had the attendances against interstate teams and even a few Melbourne teams has rarely gone over 40k.
AD 43K
BR 34K
FR 39K
GE 45K
GC 38K
GW 35K
NM 47K
PA 27K
ST 47K
SY 34K
WC 45K
WB 49K.
We could easily play 5 or so home games at a 40k PRO in a fantastic intimidating atmosphere and not lose any crowd numbers. The potential for catering gate profits naming rights its endless.
How good to own the catering rights to the ground not just for our games but all games that are played there.
50k would give us room to grow.
Then again, there is always Bojo idea 😨
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The AFL has rejected Benny Gale's Punt Rd stadium idea (as well as Eddie's idea of a new stadium). It wants to redevelop and upgrade Etihad instead.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-04-29/ambitious-plan-underway-to-upgrade-etihad-stadium
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I've changed my mind.
I am now in favour of bojo flee market scheme
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Where is Bojo?
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Collections rate buttons to sell @ punt road
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Would like to hear Mrakov's thoughts on all this.
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I'd rather not hear that flog's thoughts on anything ever again....
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Would like to hear Mrakov's thoughts on all this.
If you join One Eyed Hawthorn, you might find him there.. :whistle
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Would like to hear Mrakov's thoughts on all this.
I'd rather play hide the pickle with Shane Diesel