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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: mightytiges on November 26, 2005, 10:37:18 AM
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Cleve Hughes
Details:
Club: Norwood
DOB: 15 January 1987 Hgt: 193cm Wgt: 85kg
Position: Forward
Natural Foot: Right
Honours:
2005 All Australian U18 - CHF
AFL Draft Camp 2005
Statistics:
2005 U18 National Championships: 3 games, 5 goals, average 10.7 PPG, average 7.3 MPG
Background:
Hughes made footy his primary focus this year after being involved in state junior cricket programs in the past (state U17 cricketer for SA in 2004) and really stepped up during this years U18 championships as one of the quality forwards on offer in this draft. With vice-like hands that cleanly one grab the ball virtually every time and a good work ethic that sees him present well from the forward line up the ground, it is little wonder clubs have shown such a keen interest. His average of 7.3 marks a game in the championships was terrific given the quality of opponents he had.
Strengths:
- Strong, one grab mark on the lead at pace as he presents well up the ground
- Good kick at goal, penetrating kick
Weaknesses:
- Still a bit of a wiry build/development time needed to improve physicality and body on body marking
Footydraft.com comment:
From all reports was on the radar well before the under 18 championships and he did nothing during that week to hurt his chances. Expected to be selected between six and fifteen.
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Someone said to me a while ago that is Kirkby MKII, which worries me a bit!
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Someone said to me a while ago that is Kirkby MKII, which worries me a bit!
You would hope not :-\. Hopefully we have picked him up because we think he's good rather than as a poor-man's tall and a make-up pick for not taking Clark at #8. I guess we did the same last year with Patto at #16 so I would be happy if we've just done the same there. Hughes is a bit bigger isn't he? Weaver had him at #6!
This is a wait and see draft for us. There's nothing to makes you go we scored big in this draft.
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IIRC Hughes is a 193cm stick, definetly not bigger then Pattison!
His very top age, is about 13 months older then Oakley-Nicholls! :o
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Hughes played well in the carnival....he may be top age...but he showed he can play. At 24 there werent to many other better options I would have thought.
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They're wasn't, im just saying!
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IIRC Hughes is a 193cm stick, definetly not bigger then Pattison!
Sorry, I meant bigger than Kirkby. Patto is definitely bigger than Hughes.
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I think he is bigger then Kirkby this time last year!
Hearing a lot of different things about this kid, one person says his an "inside" forward, another one says his as soft as butter! :-\
Only time will tell!
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Pics up on the RFC site:
(http://richmondfc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/358825ay.jpg)
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From the club email:
Cleve Hughes - Draft pick No. 24
Recruited from: Norwood
Born: 15/01/87
Height: 191.9cm
Weight: 84.4kg
The teenager from SA club Norwood focused primarily on football this year after previously being involved in State junior cricket programs. Was a key player for SA at the National under-18 carnival, and was rewarded for his efforts with selection at centre half-forward in the All-Australian side. Also played good football for Norwood reserves throughout the '05 season. Is quick on the lead, contests well, takes strong, one-grab marks, and finishes off his work with excellent kicking skills.
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Cleve Hughes (Norwood)
192/84 top-age right foot (dual-sided) CHF/FF.
*STYLE LIKE: early Tredrea
*MY RANKING (not meant to reflect appropriate draft pick to use): 13
*PROBABILITY OF AFL CAREER: Likely. Ready year 2.
- Within an AFL team list, could prove capable of SUSTAINING a ranking of 5-15.
*HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): MH / LM / L
*TRADEMARK:
- Strong high mark on a very well-timed, purposeful lead up the corridor. Then long straight shot for goal.
*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
- Fast-lead marking key forward. Very top-age but intensity, an historic issue with him, is very much on the up ... and his potency with it.
Not the most consistent type around (is a bit of a confidence player) but on his day (and that's now often) he
Is agile
Is clean at all levell
Times his leads extremely well and straightens his team up
Shows good judgement overhead
Has nice kicking style and is usually an accurate kick.
Generally makes the right decisions.
Improvement trend line is very encouraging, including in intensity. When his confidence is up, he leads with purpose and up the corridor whenever possible.
- Even though he is 11 months older than Dowler, I have him a bit ahead of Dowler in my rankings:-
1. Although Dowler is 3cm taller, I am confident (unconfirmed) he has a few cm reach disadvantage (compared to the average player of his height) that at least cancels out the height difference.
2. Dowler can use his non-preferred foot to some extent in an emergency. Hughes doesn't often need to but is genuinely dual-sided.
3. Hughes is better below-the-knee ability IMHO and, although others would disagree, has better agility, especially recovery agility and ability to quickly make multiple leads for the same play
4. I suspect that, although a natural leading forward, he may have greater potential versatility, even though Dowler has played both ends.
5. Both are slim but Hughes is proven against men.
(Dowler's injury did not factor into my ranking of Dowler). I just think Hughes has more tricks.
- I could imagine Hughes might be the top name on the Christmas card list of some coaches or some team-mates and that his intensity and efforts until recently have sometimes looked dodgy, even seemingly sulky or a bit spoilt brattish. And he is very top-age. However he has recently given every indication on-field that things have just clicked with him. I thought he was useful some earlier games this year, good in the U18 Champs, and very good and sensational (respectively) in 2 SANFL Reserves games later in the year.
I think he looks as good a leading forward prospect as we've seen for some time. Because he is slim build and has to prove he can maintain his current intensity and ethic, I can't call him "definite" AFL long -termer but I do think it likely. I would take him around my ranking number of 13 and even a few picks earlier, depending on need.
*DISPOSAL:
- Very accurate set kick. Generally accurate non-set kick. Good at kicking a weighted pass to a lead.
- Terrific set kick for goal, regardless of angle. Also good on the run, even outside 40m
- Consistently handy depth. Comfortable range seems to be about 55m.
- Excellent kicking style for set kicks.
- Genuinely dual-sided.
- Good by hand - accurate, good power, quick hands, good hurt factor.
*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
- Generally good decision-maker. (Makes the occasion mistake eg trying to bump instead of laying a tackle, but he is usually solid). Good vision. Often thinks quickly.
- Regularly displays good poise under pressure.
- As a leading forward, regularly tries to lead up the corridor. This not only straightens his team up but means that a high percentage of Hughes' set shots for goal are from a comfortable angle. Excellent judgement of when, where and how to lead, Great timing. His leads demand to be honoured.
- I'd like to see him feed off a bit more often.
*HANDS:
- Very clean hands - all levels.
- Extra clean off the carpet on the run, even under medium-great pressure.
*OVERHEAD MARKING:
- Routinely one-grab overhead, even under great pressure.
- Excellent judgement.
- Usually attacks a contested mark situation.
- Can take a big grab from behind but, pleasingly, prefers to play from the front (not only, but especially, from a lead)
- Holds his ground.
*ATHLETICISM:
- Big leap. (He is also handy as 3rd man up at stop plays).
- Very good pace overall - better than his handy DC times. Very good acceleration and speed on a lead, even against a smaller quick opponent like Josh Eddy.
- Very good agility. Excellent recovery agility for his size.
- Very good reflexes.
- Nice height but only 84kg. Is athletic enough that he doesn't need to become a 100+kg build. I can see no reason why he'll not manage to hit the mid-high 90s but it will take time.
*INTENSITY, ETHIC:
- Seems to be a bit of a confidence player but has significantly lifted his work-rate and hardness at the ball throughout the past year to the extent that it is now (as in latter part of this season) usually at least OK, sometimes very commendable. I
Due to the inconsistency of intensity/ethic prior to recently, its a bit hard to say he is now "good"/"very good" etc. What I can say is that, although I can't recall a smother or a huge number of chases, he has shown recently (even if not routinely), that he is prepared to show desperation, attack the ground ball, get the hard ball, attack the spoil, put in 2nd efforts, etc. He still has to work a bit on his attack on the man but he is usually an effective tackler.
*CONSISTENCY:
- Improving. I had concerns a while back but I ma fairly comfortable now.
*AFL VERSATILITY:
- Options will depend on how he goes with bulking up. Assuming no problems there (not that its really a given):-
- Natural FF or CHF.
- Could certainly play FP, or even HFF on the right opponent.
- If he gets his strength right and, more importantly, his intensity and ethic, he would have the skill set to play CHB, FB, 3rd tall defender, or perhaps even HBF on the right opponent. That list is a long way off being realistic at this stage but all are potential possibilities. You would waste his goal-kicking value and his ability on a lead though.
Bottom line is that I see him as a very appealing forward.
*CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
- No special factors.
*QUERY:
- Intensity / maintenance.
*SOME STATS:
- Stats summary '05 U18 Champs:
Averaged 11 disposals and 7.3 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 13).
Kicks per 20 disp: 18.
Kicks long vs short: 15-8 (7 long per 10 kicks).
Ineffective kicks: 5/28 (1.8 per 10 kicks), incl 1 clangers (0.4 per 10 kicks).
Ineffective handballs: 0/4 (0.0 per 10 handballs), incl 0 clangers (0.0 per 10 handballs).
Ineffective disposals: 5/32 (3.1 per 20 disp), incl 1 clangers (0.6 per 20 disp).
HandBall Receives: 3/32 (2 per 20 disp).
Hardball gets: 1/32 (1 per 20 disp).
S.P. clearances: 0/32 (0 per 20 disp), incl 0 BU (0 per 20 disp), incl 0 CBC (0 per 20 disp).
Tackles: 2 (Avg 0.7 per game).
Marks: 22 (14 per 20 disp), incl 4 contested (1.8 per 10 marks).
*OTHER STUFF:
- All Aust TY.
- Promising SANFL Res form '05.
http://www.voy.com/51976/44539.html
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I’m happy that we got Hughes with 24, talented tall forward. IMO the only reason why he wasn’t taken earlier is because he hasn’t had the type of exposure (therefore a lower public rating) that some other key position players have received.
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Cleve Hughes (Norwood) - sanfl goals and bests (no stats sadly)
1. U19 (4 goals)
2. U19 (1 goal)
3. Res (4th best)
4. N/A
5. bye
6. U19 (1 goal)
7. N/A
8. Res (1 goal)
9. N/A
10. N/A
11. Res (1st best)
12. Res (2nd best)
13. bye
14. U18 champs
15. U18 champs
16. Res (2 goals)
17. Res (1 goal, 4th best)
18. Res (2nd best)
19. Res (3 goals, 2nd best)
20. Res (2 goals)
21. Res (5 goals, 2nd best)
22. Res (3 goals, 5th best)
23. Res (1 goal)
N/A - not available
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Encouraging to see he finished off the season strongly!
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Cleve a clever worker
11:56:04 AM Thu 26 January, 2006
Matt Burgan
Sportal for afl.com.au
Everything Cleve Hughes had ever heard about undertaking an AFL pre-season is proving to be correct.
Grueling sessions, a tired body and backing it up the following day are all par for the course for the new Richmond recruit, but he is relishing the challenge as he lines up for his first AFL season.
"It's definitely been as hard as I thought it would be," Hughes, who was drafted by Richmond from Norwood with its second selection - No.24 overall - in last November's NAB AFL Draft, told afl.com.au,
"I knew some of the other players that I met up with last year that had just started their first season and they told me it was pretty hard, but your body gets the rewards from it at the end of it.
"It's definitely been pretty hard on the body, but I'm settling in pretty well now and I know what I've got to do."
The daily workload and having to cope with several sessions is something the tall forward is finding particularly taxing.
"You have one in the morning and then you've got to get your body up for another one in the middle (of the day) and then you've got to get your body up for another one in the afternoon," Hughes said.
"There is a lot of preparation for each session. Normally I get through the session but then the body is pretty buggered at the end of it and then you've got one the next day, so you have to take care of the body for the next one and it's all about getting it right for the next session - that's probably the hard thing."
Hughes, who gained All-Australian honours after shining with South Australia in last year's NAB AFL under 18 championships, said crossing the border to Victoria had been a relatively smooth transition.
"It hasn't been heaps tricky because I'm with a really good host family at the moment and they've got everything right for me. Now I've got a car and it's pretty easy to get around, so it hasn't been too hard," Hughes said.
"I'm probably missing the family a little bit at the moment, but they came over for a couple of days (recently), so that was good, but just having a good host family there has been good for me.
"I'm looking to meet a few more people around the place and that'll stop me from getting too bored and lonely."
Leading up to last year's draft, Hughes said he wasn't fully aware of Richmond's interest in him.
"I didn't really know. I had a little chat with them at the draft (camp), but apart from that I hadn't really heard from them," Hughes said.
"They didn't really think that I was on their radar, because they thought they wouldn't get me with their eighth pick and they thought I would fall between their eighth and 24th pick."
As for 2006, Hughes is looking to play solidly with the Coburg Tigers in the VFL, although he added that a berth in the upcoming NAB Cup was not out of the question.
"The coaches have basically said that it doesn't really matter about age or where you've been taken in the draft, whoever is playing the best footy will play (in the NAB Cup)," Hughes said.
"I guess they're going to play a few new young guys for that, but we've got a couple of little trials coming up to that and if I can play alright on some of the older guys, that'll probably give me a foot forward.
"The body is coming alright, but playing in my position, it'd be a little bit hard for me to play in the key position at the moment.
"They've been playing me on the half-forward stuff a little bit and I've been going alright in the trials we've played and a little bit at full-forward, but nothing right in the key spots right now."
http://richmondfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=243639
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I have big hopes for the cleaver. :cheers
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Yet another player praised during the off-season.
Who'd a thunk it?
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"They didn't really think that I was on their radar, because they thought they wouldn't get me with their eighth pick and they thought I would fall between their eighth and 24th pick.
Arrogant. ;)
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maybe not arrogant- confident...nevertheless Id like to see some more of our players develop this trait.
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I have big hopes for the cleaver. :cheers
Me 2
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i like the way this lad is shaping up.
On Fox Footy back in November sometime, they interviewed Cleve (along with many other hopefulls) as part of the Draft Preview show. At the end of the show (and if you have a tape of it, re-watch it and you'll see what i mean) it's Cleve that stood out heads and shoulders above any of the others as far as being a genuine human being.
Now i dont know the lad from a bar of soap and i'd never lump that kind of fathoming upon anyone let alone a young lad BUT... he was exactly that, well rounded and innately together.
from all reports from the hitout in Learmonth today this guy has the (yes that word again) POTENTIAL to fill the Post-Richo void.
I'm subscribing to this wagon of thought too because theres a few things that i see that are going to benefit our foward structure immensely if this boy does indeed come on.
He's a good strong lead meaning he likes to take the front and has an excellent set of mitts. From what i've seen of him, he reminds me alot of a young dunstall (yes the same old fat bald guy you see on telly now). Dunstall was a magician whenever the ball was kicked to him. He had a knack of holding on to the pill in the most uncanniest of ways and in the most unholdable situations.
Twice in my lifetime i saw it with my own two eyes right in front of me. Eight guys jump up for a pack mark, Dunstall and the ball get lost right in the middle of them all. whos the only one standing holding the ball, you guessed it, how? i dont know. Also the day he was pirouetted through the air vertically and somehow managed through centrifugal force to keep the ball balanced in one hand while holding his oponent with the other, how? i dont know. Its all about having strong hands, i know that much and Cleve has that.
Another trait of Dunstalls was his clever leading which is one of Cleve's strengths. His ability to lead hard and straight will straighten up our attack no end, a luxury our forward thrusts have lacked for years. Richo's open 50 policy can negate other options within the forward line like making it harder for your rovers to get to the fall of the ball in time and choking off other forward leads. I much prefer Cleves straight leading although it might be more predictable for the opposition to pick at least it brings in your forward rovers and opens up other dangerous hotspots within the forward 50. This is gonna be the biggest change post-richo and i believe for the better.
its all way too early to be speaking this way of a new recruit but the mere thought of the possibility of this coming to frution should Cleve come good, well its just mouth watering.
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The Dunstall analogy might be stretching it a bit ;) but Hughes does have those many of those traits blx. if Cleve starts taking those slip-catch marks on a regular basis that Dunstall was famous for then he'll be very much like Dunstall. Lloyd when he isn't diving for soft frees also has those traits.
I reckon that article by Goughy was about right about Hughes. He obviously has talent as a forward. He's got great hands and marks cleanly away from his body either above his head or arms out in front. As you say blx he leads straight and is an accurate kick. However he's only what 18 and in his first year so over the next couple of years he needs to work on building up his strength and transforming this potential into a sustained effort.
Hughes did do some impressive things out there yesterday.
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Alright lads - the other side of the coin.
Hughes is apparently;
- abit soft
- doesn't have the hunger that he could that you'd like him to
- whilst good on the lead doesn't take many pack/contested marks
- not worthy of pick 8 according to Richmond, dispite having a lack of KPP/KPP kids
- Miller was gunning for Dowler/Kennedy/Ryder @ 8, Hughes wasn't seen in that class an ranked as a 'B' Grade player in the draft expected to go 8-20ish.
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They were the concerns before and during draft time.
It's true we were after Dowler, Kennedy and Ryder as KPPs at pick 8 but there's no rule that says every player after your first pick can't become one of your best. Fiora and Tuck are examples of a high puick turning out to be a dud and a late pick turning into gold respectively. Miller still judged Hughes to be a late first rounder. Last year's draft was judged as more even than anything else so it'll take 4-5 years before we find out which clubs were the winners.
I wouldn't say Hughes is soft or lacked hunger based on yesterday's effort. He did take his marks out in front on the lead and not in packs but intra-club games are fairly open affairs anyway. We'll wait to the real stuff to judge him in that department.
I agree CB we can't get ahead of ourselves. At 18 Hughesy obviously still needs to bulk up and build up his strength to play KP consistently at AFL level. He'll probably score a couple of senior games later on this year but spend most of 2006 at Coburg like Patto did last year. Right now it's still all that dreaded word "potential".
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Hughes playing style suits him to CHF and he is in competition with Patto for that spot
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They were the concerns before and during draft time.
It's true we were after Dowler, Kennedy and Ryder as KPPs at pick 8 but there's no rule that says every player after your first pick can't become one of your best. Fiora and Tuck are examples of a high puick turning out to be a dud and a late pick turning into gold respectively. Miller still judged Hughes to be a late first rounder. Last year's draft was judged as more even than anything else so it'll take 4-5 years before we find out which clubs were the winners.
I wouldn't say Hughes is soft or lacked hunger based on yesterday's effort. He did take his marks out in front on the lead and not in packs but intra-club games are fairly open affairs anyway. We'll wait to the real stuff to judge him in that department.
Don't get me wrong, I do not want to put the kid down too much - just some notes I've heard from people who have seent he kid before being drafted. Mind you there wasn't alot of negitive. For every 'bad' comment there was a hell of alot of good. Could end up the best KPP in the draft and an abosute steal.
I agree CB we can't get ahead of ourselves. At 18 Hughesy obviously still needs to bulk up and build up his strength to play KP consistently at AFL level. He'll probably score a couple of senior games later on this year but spend most of 2006 at Coburg like Patto did last year. Right now it's still all that dreaded word "potential".
I for one am abit concerned about the future of our KPP / teams side after the football life of Gaspar, Kellaway and of course, Richo. If Hughes turns out a superstar, A-Grade CHF I'd be over the hill. Realisticly if we finsh bottom 3/5 this season we should be gunning for a future Roughead/Kosi type.
Hughes playing style suits him to CHF and he is in competition with Patto for that spot
IMO Patto was drafted as the future ruckman. Mobile ruckman who could run and help out the smaller blokes.
Just don't think he has the abitly to make it as a top AFL standard CHF; not agily/mobile (for a key forward, pretty good for a ruck), abit slow (again, for a CHF) has a turning cricle like a tanker.... Would love him to prove me wrong.
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Would love him to prove me wrong.
CRINGE, sorry CB nothing personal but i just dont like that turn of phrase, its a cop out.
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Hughes playing style suits him to CHF and he is in competition with Patto for that spot
Hughes is purely a key forward whereas Patto is a ruckman/forward. I'm not comparing Hughes and Patto to these two but think Tredrea and Lade in terms of their playing positions.
I for one am abit concerned about the future of our KPP / teams side after the football life of Gaspar, Kellaway and of course, Richo. If Hughes turns out a superstar, A-Grade CHF I'd be over the hill. Realisticly if we finsh bottom 3/5 this season we should be gunning for a future Roughead/Kosi type.
Given the young talls we already have it would be good to pick up a future FB next in the 2006 draft. Go with a top young forward (CHF) who can also be played in the backline like as you said CB a Roughead.
FF: Limbach, Hughes
CHF: Hughes
"Third" tall forwards: Patto.
There's also Schulz and even Lids
Ruck: Patto and possibly Graham but it's early days for him.
FB: ?
CHB: Schulz, McGuane (in the Chad Cornes mold)
"Third" tall defenders: Thursfield, Moore, McGuane
Some people say Thursfield will be our future FB but I'm not so sure based on his height.
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in the next few yrs, patto will grow a few more cm, aka rottens, when that happens he wikll develop into a ruck/fwd, not a fwd who can ruck
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Would love him to prove me wrong.
CRINGE, sorry CB nothing personal but i just dont like that turn of phrase, its a cop out.
Alright - how'd you like me to put it? From what I've seen of Patto at Northern he will struggle to make in as a long term AFL player let alone at CHF. We payed over the odds for him at 16.
Cameron Wood (deadset star), Ryan Willits, Thomas Murphy, Sean Rusling types would have been much better pick ups.
Better?
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Hughes playing style suits him to CHF and he is in competition with Patto for that spot
Hughes is purely a key forward whereas Patto is a ruckman/forward. I'm not comparing Hughes and Patto to these two but think Tredrea and Lade in terms of their playing positions.
I for one am abit concerned about the future of our KPP / teams side after the football life of Gaspar, Kellaway and of course, Richo. If Hughes turns out a superstar, A-Grade CHF I'd be over the hill. Realisticly if we finsh bottom 3/5 this season we should be gunning for a future Roughead/Kosi type.
Given the young talls we already have it would be good to pick up a future FB next in the 2006 draft. Go with a top young forward (CHF) who can also be played in the backline like as you said CB a Roughead.
You simply don't aim for Full Backs with top draft picks. You take the best there is whom are usually CHF. If they don't make the grade then you move them to lesser postions.
If we have a top, say 5 picks we should be aiming for a superstar prospect gun midfeilder (ie. Gybs sp?) or a CHF (Hansen).
FF: Limbach, Hughes
CHF: Hughes
"Third" tall forwards: Patto.
There's also Schulz and even Lids
Ruck: Patto and possibly Graham but it's early days for him.
FB: ?
CHB: Schulz, McGuane (in the Chad Cornes mold)
"Third" tall defenders: Thursfield, Moore, McGuane
Some people say Thursfield will be our future FB but I'm not so sure based on his height.
If a perfect world I'd love to see our spine for the next decade:
FB - Moore, Kelvin / Thursfield, Will / McGuane, Luke (better 2 of the 3; one FB, one 3rd tall)
CHB - Schulz, Jay
CHF - Hughes, Cleve
FF - Limbach, Dean
Ruck/3rd tall - Pattison, Adam
Ruck - Graham, Angus
In reality that isn't going to happen. That is every young KPP on our list - not all of them are going to develop into gun players.
You can only feild so many players in a team, and only so many KPP yet sides tend to draft more because of the hit and miss nature of drafting.
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Given the young talls we already have it would be good to pick up a future FB next in the 2006 draft. Go with a top young forward (CHF) who can also be played in the backline like as you said CB a Roughead.
You simply don't aim for Full Backs with top draft picks. You take the best there is whom are usually CHF. If they don't make the grade then you move them to lesser postions.
If we have a top, say 5 picks we should be aiming for a superstar prospect gun midfeilder (ie. Gybs sp?) or a CHF (Hansen).
Yes you always go with the best available and in terms of talls they are under-age CHFs. I agree with that. I was just saying another young key defender particularly a future FB is IMO what we need to find in the 2006 draft.
If we finish bottom 5 then picking up Hansen is a possibility. Gibbs will only be a show if we end up with the wooden spoon.
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Why we didnt take Cameron Wood at 16 is beyond me. Chad Gibson should have been taken at 20 because Polo would most likely have been available at 36
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Why we didnt take Cameron Wood at 16 is beyond me. Chad Gibson should have been taken at 20 because Polo would most likely have been available at 36
Couldn't agree more.
Would have really step up the future of the club.
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Good read:
Cleve Hughes - Wiseby profile
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Cleve Hughes (Norwood)
192/84 top-age right foot (dual-sided) CHF/FF.
*STYLE LIKE: early Tredrea
*MY RANKING (not meant to reflect appropriate draft pick to use): 13
*PROBABILITY OF AFL CAREER: Likely. Ready year 2.
- Within an AFL team list, could prove capable of SUSTAINING a ranking of 5-15.
*HURT FACTORS (Offensive/Defensive/Negative): MH / LM / L
*TRADEMARK:
- Strong high mark on a very well-timed, purposeful lead up the corridor. Then long straight shot for goal.
*SUMMARY ASSESSMENT, RECOMMENDATION:
- Fast-lead marking key forward. Very top-age but intensity, an historic issue with him, is very much on the up ... and his potency with it.
Not the most consistent type around (is a bit of a confidence player) but on his day (and that's now often) he
Is agile
Is clean at all levell
Times his leads extremely well and straightens his team up
Shows good judgement overhead
Has nice kicking style and is usually an accurate kick.
Generally makes the right decisions.
Improvement trend line is very encouraging, including in intensity. When his confidence is up, he leads with purpose and up the corridor whenever possible.
- Even though he is 11 months older than Dowler, I have him a bit ahead of Dowler in my rankings:-
1. Although Dowler is 3cm taller, I am confident (unconfirmed) he has a few cm reach disadvantage (compared to the average player of his height) that at least cancels out the height difference.
2. Dowler can use his non-preferred foot to some extent in an emergency. Hughes doesn't often need to but is genuinely dual-sided.
3. Hughes is better below-the-knee ability IMHO and, although others would disagree, has better agility, especially recovery agility and ability to quickly make multiple leads for the same play
4. I suspect that, although a natural leading forward, he may have greater potential versatility, even though Dowler has played both ends.
5. Both are slim but Hughes is proven against men.
(Dowler's injury did not factor into my ranking of Dowler). I just think Hughes has more tricks.
- I could imagine Hughes might be the top name on the Christmas card list of some coaches or some team-mates and that his intensity and efforts until recently have sometimes looked dodgy, even seemingly sulky or a bit spoilt brattish. And he is very top-age. However he has recently given every indication on-field that things have just clicked with him. I thought he was useful some earlier games this year, good in the U18 Champs, and very good and sensational (respectively) in 2 SANFL Reserves games later in the year.
I think he looks as good a leading forward prospect as we've seen for some time. Because he is slim build and has to prove he can maintain his current intensity and ethic, I can't call him "definite" AFL long -termer but I do think it likely. I would take him around my ranking number of 13 and even a few picks earlier, depending on need.
*DISPOSAL:
- Very accurate set kick. Generally accurate non-set kick. Good at kicking a weighted pass to a lead.
- Terrific set kick for goal, regardless of angle. Also good on the run, even outside 40m
- Consistently handy depth. Comfortable range seems to be about 55m.
- Excellent kicking style for set kicks.
- Genuinely dual-sided.
- Good by hand - accurate, good power, quick hands, good hurt factor.
*DECISION-MAKING, SMARTS:
- Generally good decision-maker. (Makes the occasion mistake eg trying to bump instead of laying a tackle, but he is usually solid). Good vision. Often thinks quickly.
- Regularly displays good poise under pressure.
- As a leading forward, regularly tries to lead up the corridor. This not only straightens his team up but means that a high percentage of Hughes' set shots for goal are from a comfortable angle. Excellent judgement of when, where and how to lead, Great timing. His leads demand to be honoured.
- I'd like to see him feed off a bit more often.
*HANDS:
- Very clean hands - all levels.
- Extra clean off the carpet on the run, even under medium-great pressure.
*OVERHEAD MARKING:
- Routinely one-grab overhead, even under great pressure.
- Excellent judgement.
- Usually attacks a contested mark situation.
- Can take a big grab from behind but, pleasingly, prefers to play from the front (not only, but especially, from a lead)
- Holds his ground.
*ATHLETICISM:
- Big leap. (He is also handy as 3rd man up at stop plays).
- Very good pace overall - better than his handy DC times. Very good acceleration and speed on a lead, even against a smaller quick opponent like Josh Eddy.
- Very good agility. Excellent recovery agility for his size.
- Very good reflexes.
- Nice height but only 84kg. Is athletic enough that he doesn't need to become a 100+kg build. I can see no reason why he'll not manage to hit the mid-high 90s but it will take time.
*INTENSITY, ETHIC:
- Seems to be a bit of a confidence player but has significantly lifted his work-rate and hardness at the ball throughout the past year to the extent that it is now (as in latter part of this season) usually at least OK, sometimes very commendable. I
Due to the inconsistency of intensity/ethic prior to recently, its a bit hard to say he is now "good"/"very good" etc. What I can say is that, although I can't recall a smother or a huge number of chases, he has shown recently (even if not routinely), that he is prepared to show desperation, attack the ground ball, get the hard ball, attack the spoil, put in 2nd efforts, etc. He still has to work a bit on his attack on the man but he is usually an effective tackler.
*CONSISTENCY:
- Improving. I had concerns a while back but I ma fairly comfortable now.
*AFL VERSATILITY:
- Options will depend on how he goes with bulking up. Assuming no problems there (not that its really a given):-
- Natural FF or CHF.
- Could certainly play FP, or even HFF on the right opponent.
- If he gets his strength right and, more importantly, his intensity and ethic, he would have the skill set to play CHB, FB, 3rd tall defender, or perhaps even HBF on the right opponent. That list is a long way off being realistic at this stage but all are potential possibilities. You would waste his goal-kicking value and his ability on a lead though.
Bottom line is that I see him as a very appealing forward.
*CSI (COMPARATIVE SCOPE for IMPROVEMENT):
- No special factors.
*QUERY:
- Intensity / maintenance.
*SOME STATS:
- Stats summary '05 U18 Champs:
Averaged 11 disposals and 7.3 marks in his 3 games. (Best TD 13).
Kicks per 20 disp: 18.
Kicks long vs short: 15-8 (7 long per 10 kicks).
Ineffective kicks: 5/28 (1.8 per 10 kicks), incl 1 clangers (0.4 per 10 kicks).
Ineffective handballs: 0/4 (0.0 per 10 handballs), incl 0 clangers (0.0 per 10 handballs).
Ineffective disposals: 5/32 (3.1 per 20 disp), incl 1 clangers (0.6 per 20 disp).
HandBall Receives: 3/32 (2 per 20 disp).
Hardball gets: 1/32 (1 per 20 disp).
S.P. clearances: 0/32 (0 per 20 disp), incl 0 BU (0 per 20 disp), incl 0 CBC (0 per 20 disp).
Tackles: 2 (Avg 0.7 per game).
Marks: 22 (14 per 20 disp), incl 4 contested (1.8 per 10 marks).
*OTHER STUFF:
- All Aust TY.
- Promising SANFL Res form '05.
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Apart from whether he can kick well with both feet (I haven't paid enough attention to that aspect yet to judge myself), it's hard to disagree with any that summary based on what I've seen of Hughes so far.
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Clever is next up. Hughes ended up playing in ever grade in his debut year. 3 AFL games on end between rounds 5-7, 12 Coburg seniors games where he kicked 17 goals and 5 Coburg ressie games for 23 goals.
How did we rate his first year and what expectations do you have for Clever in 2007?
(http://richmondfc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/358825az.jpg)
Clever's 2006 AFL stats:
Round Date vs. K H P M HO T FF FA G B
Round 5 28/04/2006 Carlton 3 3 6 2 0 1 2 0 0 1
Round 6 06/05/2006 Essendon 4 1 5 0 0 0 2 0 2 1
Round 7 13/05/2006 Sydney 1 0 1 0 0 1 1 1 1 0
Clever's VFL stats:
http://www.sportingpulse.com/nf/team_info.cgi?player=Cleve%20Hughes&action=PSTATS&pID=124717329&client=1-3020-0-39626-4380378
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Will take time
Shows massive potential and natural ability but I reckon is still learning when it comes to the amount of work that needs to be done and reading the play and working in tandem with other forwards.
Long-term see him as our FF with Schulz out at CHF
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Another full preason building up his fitness and strength should help alot. He obviously struggled to get through his first year ending up in the VFL ressies.
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Knuckle down and do the work Cleve. No walk up starts.
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needs to work harder both offensive and defensive also to compilment the other forwards
season journey reflected Clevers year
has a solid kicking action and not afraid to mark in the pack
3 seniors games taste will hopefully spur him on in 07
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Craig McRae said during last week in EOTT that Clever is struggling with an illness which is affecting his energy levels.
Cleve Hughes
Played at full-forward before moving to stuff in the last quarter. Struggling with illness, he had limited energy and little impact on the game. Showed his class in leading and goaling from a sharp angle.
A rumour on BF is claiming it is glandular fever and Hughes is being asked to play and train through it if he wants a game.
I would've thought glandular fever would stop you from playing altogether ???.
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cant be glandular feverm for starters if he did he would noyt have any energy at all and if if was crazy enough too it would lead to chronic fatigue syndrome.
he prob just has a flu or vitus but rumors says just like meyer he has no balls and wants out
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As Ive said previously Itd be a shame to lose them but if theyre that desperate to leave then package them up and send them home for a decent deal.
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Clever didn't train but he looked okay standing in the race watching training drinking from a cup.
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At Coburg against Werribee he teamed well with Jack up forward as the tall targets. Can he fit into a Richmond forward line with Schulz and Richo and possibly Polak at times and not get lost, swamped or ignored as a 3rd/4th target?
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That is a very good question indeed.
As most on here would realize I am a great exponent of Richo. I hate to say it and it wont happen but would Richo leaving as I said to mate at the weekend be for the betterment of the club and it's future.
The guy is a workhorse and just wants to do too much, maybe some time on the pine in his twilight years would be best for all.
Opening up options and letting the future figure out how to play together with and without him.
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If the predicted rain is heavy enough, they may end up leaving out Hughes at the last minute and bringing in someone more suitable to the wet conditions.
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Good lead, good mark, great kick. Worth persisting with.
Needs to bulk up and toughen up.
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Clever was a dead eye idiot today at training today. Not one missed set shot. Wallace may play Cleve and Richo across HF with Sarge in the goal square.
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Didn't do much apart from his 3 goals but he's our most reliable goalkicker and he had impact which is all you can ask for from young players.
Good coaching by Wallace to keep Cleve on the ground after he made up for his earlier mistake with an important goal.
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3 goals from a young kid from CHF was a very good effort. He has the attributes to be a very good player going forward.
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3 goals from a young kid from CHF was a very good effort. He has the attributes to be a very good player going forward.
had 14 or so touches and won contested footy against the best defence along with adelaide in the afl
good stuff and he cab kick goals off 2 steps from 60 out, richo cant do that!
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Hughes gives away round ball for Sherrin
06 May 2007 Sunday Herald Sun
Ken Piesse
INSTEAD of lining up for Richmond today, Cleve Hughes could easily be a part of South Australia's cricket squad honing his fast bowling skills for a tilt at the big time.
The 20-year-old loves cricket almost as much as football and spent hours with housemate Luke McGuane watching Australia's World Cup triumph, taking particular interest in Shaun Tait, from nearby Nairne in the Adelaide Hills.
So rapid was his advance as a teenager from Lobethal that he was named among South Australia's elite under-17 players and made an Australian development squad.
"Cricket and footy were always my main ambitions," Hughes said.
"But, like so many, I've had to choose. A few (football) clubs were talking to me. I felt there was more of an opportunity to get paid as a professional sportsman.
"There aren't as many opportunities in cricket. To get paid you have to play at least for the Redbacks or be in their squad. There's no money at club level.
"My parents let me make up my own mind. And I'm happy with my choice so far anyway!"
In his mid-teens he took 7-16 for Kensington under-16s in a District Reds game and was considered capable of higher honours.
"I played for the South Australian under-17s. Marc Murphy (from Victoria) was also in that carnival. He, too, has gone with footy," Hughes said.
Last summer was the first he didn't play cricket competitively, instead concentrating on what he hopes will be a long-term career at Punt Road.
Taken with pick 24 in the 2005 draft, Hughes played three games last year, quite an achievement for a key position player still short of the muscle and maturity coach Terry Wallace believes can make him a 10-year player at Tigerland.
Asked to name the youngsters he believes have the ability to make a Grand Final side, Wallace put Hughes in his top three or four, saying his athleticism and football smarts could carry him a long way.
Richmond assistant coach Jade Rawlings is another who says the kid has what it takes to mature into a genuine frontliner.
Rawlings takes regular one-on-one marking sessions with Hughes and says his improvement in a few months has been massive.
At 192cm, Hughes has impressive height and only needs to add to his frame to become a Richmond regular.
Last week in his first senior game for the year, he had some fine moments against West Coast, kicking three goals among his 12 possessions.
"It was good to get a few kicks and take my opportunity," he said.
"It was a pity we couldn't hold our good early form. That's been our problem, playing out the whole game. We looked good and then shut up shop in a few areas.
"It all seemed to change a bit when they started to get a few goals back.
"We fell back to a kick-to-kick-type game rather than doing it all at a nice fast pace.
"We're working hard and we've been close. Hopefully a win isn't too far away.
"Hopefully we can use our pace all match and expose them (Geelong) with their lack of mobility.
"That's where we think they're gettable. But we have to put four quarters together which is something we haven't done so far."
With a 0-5 record leading into today's Telstra Dome clash, Richmond is aware it is the underdog, but coach Wallace insists Richmond's A game is better than many and that Hughes and others are as promising as many of the Cats tyros, including Tom Hawkins.
Having added almost 8kg to his frame over summer, Hughes was impressive for Coburg in the VFL and carried his good form into the match against West Coast.
"I'd been an emergency in Round 3, so it was good to get a game," he said.
"It was in Round 5, too, last year that I played my first game, against Carlton. It was a a Friday night game and we got up by nine or 10 points so it was pretty sweet.
"I started on the ground but it was so fast it was a bit of a shock. I initially wondered what I'd got myself into!"
He played rounds 5, 6 and 7 before returning to Coburg and playing in the 2006 VFL finals series.
During pre-season Wallace experimented with him in key defensive roles before returning him to the forward line for the start of the new VFL season.
Hughes said the Tigers had a young group but once they started winning, they could get on a roll.
"Hopefully we can all keep improving together, and if we do, we're going to be a reasonable side for a long period of time," he said.
Asked his immediate goals, he said he would like to take a hanger to rival McGuane's beauty last weekend and he'd also like to get more game experience to make him one of the first chosen.
"I want to get as many games at the level as I can," he said.
"Hopefully as I get more experience and my body keeps developing I can then really see what I need to do."
He said he was a confidence player, especially with his marking but that the duelling with Rawlings was lifting his confidence and improving his technique to allow him to stay in more contests.
"I've always relied on my marks. I want to be able to get more balls and get some goals or goal-assists, too, at ground level."
As a kid Hughes was a Crows and Tony Modra supporter and said he'd love to sample some of the success of his idol.
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,21676231%255E19742,00.html
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Good lead, good mark, great kick. Worth persisting with.
Needs to bulk up and toughen up.
Well said, the one thing that stood out for me last week was when on occasion he went for chest marks rather than sticking his hands up to mark it in his mitts
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Cleve was one of only 2 players today who deserve to get paid ... the other was foley.
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He certainly has a future.
Seems to have a good football brain and is a good kick for goal.
The one he missed in the second was a shocker but he didnt kick through it.
Needs to play the rest of the season in the seniors.
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let him play up forward ! ...
so keep him there forever !
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How did we rate Clever's year?
Hughes played 7 games in 2007 after 3 in his debut year. Averaged 7.6 disposals and 3.4 marks per game. He kicked 8 goals for the season.
http://www.finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1630&SeasonID=ALL
Brian Royal's RFC player review
Cleve Hughes
I thought it was a disappointing year for Cleve, particularly as it was his third year with the club. He’s always thereabouts, kicked one or two goals in most games he played but he probably just didn’t put himself in enough situations to win the footy. I’d suggest, as a kid, having another pre season under his belt would help him enormously in the future. He needs to start believing he belongs at this level and I don’t think he does at this stage. Once he starts to do that he’ll become a better player.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52313
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Brian Royal's RFC player review
Cleve Hughes
I thought it was a disappointing year for Cleve, particularly as it was his third year with the club. He’s always thereabouts, kicked one or two goals in most games he played but he probably just didn’t put himself in enough situations to win the footy. I’d suggest, as a kid, having another pre season under his belt would help him enormously in the future. He needs to start believing he belongs at this level and I don’t think he does at this stage. Once he starts to do that he’ll become a better player.
http://richmondfc.com.au/Season2007/News/NewsArticle/tabid/6301/Default.aspx?newsId=52313
What he said
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Interesting revisiting this thread where the common theme was how good a kick for goal Cleve was and yet 12 months later he's shanking and mistiming every kick for goal and he no longer has the natural action he arrived at Punt Rd with. As WP pointed out yesterday he's getting underneath his kicks as well. Even the goal he kicked at the City end yesterday was a shocking kick.
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Riewoldt in Hughes out
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Hughes needs to be put at full forward & left there to gain some confidence
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Hughes needs to be put at full forward & left there to gain some confidence
If he's going to be a FF he'd want to fix that kicking action. What the hell happened to it? :-[
Fair enough to perhaps give him one more game.
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mate l seen this lad kick booming 60 metre kicks deadeye idiot
since comming to punt road his kicking skills are failing him as are the other players
its simply bad coaching & development down there in the term of assistant coaches
Jade Rawlings how the hell can he be a forward coach he was one of the worst kicks at Hawthorn :rollin
l cant say Hughes will hold his place, l think Rewoldt has taken it & Morton will take Pettifers spot
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That is a very good question indeed.
As most on here would realize I am a great exponent of Richo. I hate to say it and it wont happen but would Richo leaving as I said to mate at the weekend be for the betterment of the club and it's future.
The guy is a workhorse and just wants to do too much, maybe some time on the pine in his twilight years would be best for all.
Opening up options and letting the future figure out how to play together with and without him.
100 % right :clapping :clapping Pefectly said. Got to love Richo but he goal kicking is shocking. What is the point of all that hard work to give it to Richo to kick it out on the full or a point it has to stop. On top of that the new group of players need to be the ones to be given every chances to play in the forward line. Richo demands the ball demands space and everybody else will be the second option. He can win games maybe but at the end of the season we are not winning enough. Terry Wallet could make a huge decision here will he or won't he.Richo out morton or Rewolt in.
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mate l seen this lad kick booming 60 metre kicks deadeye idiot
since comming to punt road his kicking skills are failing him as are the other players
its simply bad coaching & development down there in the term of assistant coaches
Jade Rawlings how the hell can he be a forward coach he was one of the worst kicks at Hawthorn :rollin
l cant say Hughes will hold his place, l think Rewoldt has taken it & Morton will take Pettifers spot
this wont happen and if it does it will be a miracle.
wallace needs to show he means business and drop one of petts or browny. im serious these 2 together are useless. so slow!!
i dont want to hear about injuries anymore, thats in the past. if you step out on the field you are fit!
hughes should no way be dropped. how the hell can someone learn if there in one week out the next.
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I thought to myself when he kicked that goal late in the game-'at last he's got the monkey off his back'
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l reckon petticoat should be dropped his played maybe 5 top games in his whole career :lol
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This was my post from another thread on the Cleve vs Jack Argument.
I rate Cleve higher than Jack. In terms of their games played at AFL level Cleve has more shots on goal per game than what Jack does. Cleve has more courage also but needs to lift his work rate. Jack to me seems to slow of the mark finds it difficult to get into space and tends to play from behind alot. Also Cleves decision making also seems to be more sound than Jack's at this stage of their careers. We can't be reactive and drop Cleve merely because Jack kicked 6 this week for the Burgers. Would rather see Jack kick 20 goals in the next 4 weeks at Coburg and if Cleve's form warrants him being dropped then so be it. We can't keep alternating these two every few weeks we need to give them significant game time at this level 5-7 games to help them find their niche. Dropping them then promoting them then dropping them again hinders both player and club and hurts the rest of the team who have become used to one of these boys playing long term with them. Play one or both Terry but do it for a while and not as a reactionary solution to what happens with Richmond and Coburg on a week to week basis.
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l reckon petticoat should be dropped his played maybe 5 top games in his whole career :lol
yep agreed. so soft and selfish.
back to coburg 4 u pal
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Hughes needs to be put at full forward & left there to gain some confidence
If he's going to be a FF he'd want to fix that kicking action. What the hell happened to it? :-[
Fair enough to perhaps give him one more game.
No problem with him given more time at FF but if he is he needs to kick goals. Richo is old and won't change his kicking technique or routine but Cleve is still young to get it right which it was already when he first arrived :-\. Richo is also 7.5 so far this year compared to Cleve's 1.4.
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I liked the way moved and had he kicked straight we would talking about how good he played, that`s the nature of AFL, mistakes are scrutinised. I believe he didn`t look out of place and seemed a hell of a lot more confident in where to get to if you want the pill, also he has bulked a little. Jack has him when it comed to pack marks but Cleve is a mile in front in mental and physical condition. Give him at least 6 weeks.
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I liked the way moved and had he kicked straight we would talking about how good he played, that`s the nature of AFL, mistakes are scrutinised. I believe he didn`t look out of place and seemed a hell of a lot more confident in where to get to if you want the pill, also he has bulked a little. Jack has him when it comed to pack marks but Cleve is a mile in front in mental and physical condition. Give him at least 6 weeks.
Exactly my thoughts
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I am not sure what to think when it comes to Cleave the Steamer. When has has dominated at reserves level? He looks like a guy who gives it a real shot then when that doesn't work just stops. Gut feel, he needs to look up the word "persistence" and "determination" and start hanging in there.
He is a much better kick for goal than 1 goal 4. He is only 20, give him another couple of games but make it clear he needs to be at least doubling his output to stay in the side.
Shultzy :thumbsup but :shh because we need that effort for the next 20 weeks. finally after 6 years! Maybe Cleve will take another couple years to mature.
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I am not sure what to think when it comes to Cleave the Steamer. When has has dominated at reserves level? He looks like a guy who gives it a real shot then when that doesn't work just stops. Gut feel, he needs to look up the word "persistence" and "determination" and start hanging in there.
He is a much better kick for goal than 1 goal 4. He is only 20, give him another couple of games but make it clear he needs to be at least doubling his output to stay in the side.
Shultzy :thumbsup but :shh because we need that effort for the next 20 weeks. finally after 6 years! Maybe Cleve will take another couple years to mature.
As silly as this may sound but a forward in the 2`s,especially CHF, will sometimes struggle more often than playing seniors. A simple fact of life in 2`s footy no matter where you play is the skill level can be ordinary, especially on ordinary days on surburban grounds. That`s maybe why Cleve is having trouble dominating in the VFL.
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I hope we stick with him for longer, I'm impressed by the level of improvement in him from last season, especially in work rate which was probably his biggest weakness.
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A breakthrough game for Cleve today :thumbsup. Might be a show for a RS nomination this week too. Only played 10 games coming into 2008 and scrapes in by 15 days (d.o.b. 15/1/87).
The winner must be under the age of 21 at January 1 of that year, must not have played more than 10 games to the start of that season
http://www.afl.com.au/Development/NABAFLRisingStarsProgram/NABAFLRisingStar/tabid/784/default.aspx
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Has been going well at Coburg for weeks. Needs to be left at Full Foward and let him develop.
Will be a very handy player Cleve.
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Has been going well at Coburg for weeks. Needs to be left at Full Foward and let him develop.
Will be a very handy player Cleve.
Reiwoldt & Morton next to him.
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He has kicked 12 in the last two games. 6 for Coburg and now 6 for Richmond. Should be a chance considering we won and was virtually a matchwinning effort. Perhaps the fact he had only 7 touches for the matches may work against him but going through the matches so far perhaps Lindsay Thomas from Rooland may be a chance. Don't know his age or games played. Anyway great effort for the kid and way to stick it up any knockers at the club who may have ben reticent to play him. Here's to many many more games like todays for Clever :cheers
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Yep great effort by Steamer today, deserves to stay in for some time and have Jack and Mitch alongside him. Richo plays high and lets out new fwd line develop.
Goodbye Petts, back your bags son!!!!
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He has kicked 12 in the last two games. 6 for Coburg and now 6 for Richmond. Should be a chance considering we won and was virtually a matchwinning effort. Perhaps the fact he had only 7 touches for the matches may work against him but going through the matches so far perhaps Lindsay Thomas from Rooland may be a chance. Don't know his age or games played. Anyway great effort for the kid and way to stick it up any knockers at the club who may have ben reticent to play him. Here's to many many more games like todays for Clever :cheers
Hughes is only a 3rd year player. Drafted '05.
To be a knocker of his, this early would be fairly stupid.
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He has kicked 12 in the last two games. 6 for Coburg and now 6 for Richmond. Should be a chance considering we won and was virtually a matchwinning effort. Perhaps the fact he had only 7 touches for the matches may work against him but going through the matches so far perhaps Lindsay Thomas from Rooland may be a chance. Don't know his age or games played. Anyway great effort for the kid and way to stick it up any knockers at the club who may have ben reticent to play him. Here's to many many more games like todays for Clever :cheers
Hughes is only a 3rd year player. Drafted '05.
To be a knocker of his, this early would be fairly stupid.
Not knocking the kid at all as I have been advocating his inclusion in the side for weeks and I love the way he plays if only he did it more consistently and kicked a few goals in the games when his opportunities are limited. Just heard that some people from within the club if they had a choice would rather play Jack than Cleve but I personally think we can play both of the lads in our side and effectively to boot. A firing Jack and Cleve will be a handful for any defence especially if it goes into the forward line quickly and efficiently as it did for the most part during the first three quarters. Just proves the point that Terry needs to play the kids and do it more often and have more faith in them as they are the future. :thumbsup
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Up here out of melbourne, we love the the Cleve! Well done son :thumbsup
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perhaps Lindsay Thomas from Rooland may be a chance. Don't know his age or games played.
Ineligible. Played 12 games last year.
I know Kreuzer is 2 years younger but he got his nomination for 3 goals in a quarter against Port. Well Cleve kicked 4 in the 3rd quarter and 6 in total against Port. Must go close to this week's nomination especially if Callan Ward has a quiet one today for the doggies.
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my man Cleve :thumbsup showed he can do the job :clapping ;D :gotigers
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Regardless of getting a nomination in that confusing award, it was great to see Steamer step up. I was disappointed he was dropped earlier in the year, thought his effort was good enough, certainly light years ahead of last seasons effort. With Richo up the ground a lot, perfect time to have Hughes, Jack and Morton owning the forwad line.
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He should definitely get the nomination this week, Schulz got the nomination for his 6 goal haul against Brisbane
The award is given to a standout performance, but if there's no standout performance then it goes for consistency
6 goals for a kid in his 13th game is a standout
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I was really happy with Hughes game yesterday and as another poster mentioned, if Kruezer can get a nomination with a 3 goal quarter in a 9 disposal game then Cleve has got to be a big show for a nomination this week. I will also say this in defence of the match committee who sent him back to Coburg for an extended spell. It was well documented that they wanted him to 'learn' how to kick goals and it wasn't really until his past couple of games at Coburg that he showed he had learnt. Once that happened he was back in and stood up straight away. Sometimes you have to think of the bigger picture when developing kids - you can't always just chuck them in at the deep end and hope it works.
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lock it in.
rising star coming up.
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THere is a guy called Jarryd Morton who has been more than handy for three weeks.
I think Clever might just miss out because of him.
Great performance though. :thumbsup
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Reimers deserves it if he hasn't had one, has been consistently good.
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Reimers deserves it if he hasn't had one, has been consistently good.
Good one as well.
And Urquart (sic?) from the Roos has been good for at least 3 weeks.
They've been rewarding consistency.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
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As infamy says they usual award consistency if there's no standout performance for the weekend. Mitch's brother had 33 possies but the Hawks despite 400 team disposals got done like a dinner. Reimers was good today although he's a dodgy kick, and Monfries was the standout in the Bombers win. Kicking 6 goals in your 13th game and in hostile territory sounds more impress even if it is bias.
Agree with smokey too that Cleve going back to Coburg has done wonders to fix up his goalkicking. Perhaps Cleve is slowly gaining the confidence in himself to believe he belongs out there.
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For those who got a chance to watch the Port game -
Did Hughes play out of the square in a FF role?
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Agree with smokey too that Cleve going back to Coburg has done wonders to fix up his goalkicking. Perhaps Cleve is slowly gaining the confidence in himself to believe he belongs out there.
I didn't remember him being so big. Really impressed with what I saw on the weekend. I have been a critic of Hughes and despaired his softness at times. I was very pleased to see him win the contested mark against Port. He was also clobbered a few times and he didn't seem timid at all.
Perhaps his perceived softness is just a matter of confidence. Now he needs to back up his performance on the weekend with another 2 or 3 goals against Carlton (another 6 would be nice but no pressure Cleve).
Good on you Cleve :clapping You could turn into on of my favourites yet.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
You are going to try and point me to 4 and 2 years ago respectively to give some kind of substance to your post. ???
I believe it's the other way, they only reward a standout of there's no consistant performer. That may not have been so in the past but now it is.
THIS YEAR, they are rewarding consistency.
Note Cotchin. Killed Adelaide but the Kruuuuuez got it as he'd had a good 3 weeks. Comes out the next weekend, only has 14 but still gets nominated despite Morton and Reimers playing better games and getting 20+ possessions.
Nathan Brown got it for a less than inspiring game vs the Eagles when Urquhart and Morton played better games clearly. But he got a collective one for overall good performance since round 1.
Garrick Ibbotson got it when Brad Ebert had an absolute blinder but I'd say Garricks two 20-odd possession games before that got him nominated ahead of Ebert.
Kurt Tippet got nominated with 7 possessions and 1 goal against his name. :rollin Robbie Gray had 20 possessions and 2 goals.
I think I've made my point.
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should win Round 13 nomination.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
You are going to try and point me to 4 and 2 years ago respectively to give some kind of substance to your post. ???
I believe it's the other way, they only reward a standout of there's no consistant performer. That may not have been so in the past but now it is.
THIS YEAR, they are rewarding consistency.
Note Cotchin. Killed Adelaide but the Kruuuuuez got it as he'd had a good 3 weeks. Comes out the next weekend, only has 14 but still gets nominated despite Morton and Reimers playing better games and getting 20+ possessions.
Nathan Brown got it for a less than inspiring game vs the Eagles when Urquhart and Morton played better games clearly. But he got a collective one for overall good performance since round 1.
Garrick Ibbotson got it when Brad Ebert had an absolute blinder but I'd say Garricks two 20-odd possession games before that got him nominated ahead of Ebert.
Kurt Tippet got nominated with 7 possessions and 1 goal against his name. :rollin Robbie Gray had 20 possessions and 2 goals.
I think I've made my point.
Your point will get blown out of the water when Hughes gets the nomination
Cotchin played a good game against Adelaide, but we were smashed and 25 touches isn't a stand out, Kreuzer had been consistent and was a match winner.
Brad Ebert did have a very good match against Adelaide and was perhaps unlucky, but Ibbotson missed out against Geelong for a 27 disposal game and was overdue for his nomination
As for Gray, 20 disposal match is not a standout, not by a long shot. There's a difference between having the best match in the round of those eligible and having a standout game.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
You are going to try and point me to 4 and 2 years ago respectively to give some kind of substance to your post. ???
I believe it's the other way, they only reward a standout of there's no consistant performer. That may not have been so in the past but now it is.
THIS YEAR, they are rewarding consistency.
Note Cotchin. Killed Adelaide but the Kruuuuuez got it as he'd had a good 3 weeks. Comes out the next weekend, only has 14 but still gets nominated despite Morton and Reimers playing better games and getting 20+ possessions.
Nathan Brown got it for a less than inspiring game vs the Eagles when Urquhart and Morton played better games clearly. But he got a collective one for overall good performance since round 1.
Garrick Ibbotson got it when Brad Ebert had an absolute blinder but I'd say Garricks two 20-odd possession games before that got him nominated ahead of Ebert.
Kurt Tippet got nominated with 7 possessions and 1 goal against his name. :rollin Robbie Gray had 20 possessions and 2 goals.
I think I've made my point.
Your point will get blown out of the water when Hughes gets the nomination
Cotchin played a good game against Adelaide, but we were smashed and 25 touches isn't a stand out, Kreuzer had been consistent and was a match winner.
Brad Ebert did have a very good match against Adelaide and was perhaps unlucky, but Ibbotson missed out against Geelong for a 27 disposal game and was overdue for his nomination
As for Gray, 20 disposal match is not a standout, not by a long shot. There's a difference between having the best match in the round of those eligible and having a standout game.
Looks to me you're not agreeing with me but agreeing in context anyway.
And you must not have seen the Gray's game that week. He was very very good, more than the stats show.
I guess we will see but it wont change my view. Consistency is the main basis and Morton, Reimers or Urquhart will be very unlucky considering the precedent the panel has set with nominations this year.
I really hope he does but I'm not as confident about it.
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should win Round 13 nomination.
Mark Doran mentioned Cleve Hughes' name. I think it was for what's on his show tomorrow??
Cleve might have grabbed a nomination.
EDIT: He's coming up today with Ox and Frances.
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On sometime between now and 7pm.
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On now.
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Summary
* Great to get an away win.
* Good to get a game (first since R2) and carry on from his VFL form. Confidence up. Started the game pretty well.
* Start of year - reasonable preseason. He was offered a spot in defence and trained in defence but he told the coaches he prefers playing forward.
* Being dropped back to the Coburg ressies was a low point in his career but he knew what he had to do over summer and now is happy.
* Told not to worry about playing in the VFL ressies. Told he would be playing round 1 and that's what happened. Found his feet.
* Main issue - getting the confidence up to throw the body around. 95kgs now. Was 91-92 kgs at the start of the year. Drafted at 84kg.
* Last quarter was a stressful time. As a forward he was watching the tempo footy evolve which was nervewracking. In that situation important for the forwards to block and not run around wasting energy before the ball gets there.
* Parents got to watch him play over there being from Norwood. Enjoys the space at Footy Park. Barracked for Norwood as a kid.
* Massive week for the club. Getting as many supporters there would be great.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
You are going to try and point me to 4 and 2 years ago respectively to give some kind of substance to your post. ???
I believe it's the other way, they only reward a standout of there's no consistant performer. That may not have been so in the past but now it is.
THIS YEAR, they are rewarding consistency.
Note Cotchin. Killed Adelaide but the Kruuuuuez got it as he'd had a good 3 weeks. Comes out the next weekend, only has 14 but still gets nominated despite Morton and Reimers playing better games and getting 20+ possessions.
Nathan Brown got it for a less than inspiring game vs the Eagles when Urquhart and Morton played better games clearly. But he got a collective one for overall good performance since round 1.
Garrick Ibbotson got it when Brad Ebert had an absolute blinder but I'd say Garricks two 20-odd possession games before that got him nominated ahead of Ebert.
Kurt Tippet got nominated with 7 possessions and 1 goal against his name. :rollin Robbie Gray had 20 possessions and 2 goals.
I think I've made my point.
Your point will get blown out of the water when Hughes gets the nomination
Cotchin played a good game against Adelaide, but we were smashed and 25 touches isn't a stand out, Kreuzer had been consistent and was a match winner.
Brad Ebert did have a very good match against Adelaide and was perhaps unlucky, but Ibbotson missed out against Geelong for a 27 disposal game and was overdue for his nomination
As for Gray, 20 disposal match is not a standout, not by a long shot. There's a difference between having the best match in the round of those eligible and having a standout game.
Looks to me you're not agreeing with me but agreeing in context anyway.
And you must not have seen the Gray's game that week. He was very very good, more than the stats show.
I guess we will see but it wont change my view. Consistency is the main basis and Morton, Reimers or Urquhart will be very unlucky considering the precedent the panel has set with nominations this year.
I really hope he does but I'm not as confident about it.
i think none of us are all that confident about it..tho..everyone is hopeful....
i tend to agree with some others that if there's a standout performance that led to a victory..they award the nomination....if not...then...look for consistency.....regarding the kreuzer/cotchin nominations....cotchin has actually been much more consistently impressive in the weeks leading up to the adelaide match...certainly more so than kreuzer..but kreuzer put in a match winning performance so they gave it to him........sure cotchin's 25 possession game against crows was outstanding too..but came when we were blown away...
anyways.....good luck cleve....hope u get it..
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Lets hope Saturday was a watershed game in a fledgling AFL career that propells Cleve to more consistent and rewarding senior footy. Here's to a second rising star nomination for the club in the last two weeks :bow :clapping :cheers :gotigers
Cotchin is a class act so his nomination was a matter of when not if, however should Cleve get the nod it perhaps will be a reward of persistence and application and faith in judgement by those at the club. Our youth policy may be starting to reap its own rewards.
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They only reward consistency when there hasn't been a standout performance
Dean Polo won a nomination for his debut game, Schulz won one for a 6 goal haul
There hasn't really been a standout performance this year in a single game
You are going to try and point me to 4 and 2 years ago respectively to give some kind of substance to your post. ???
I believe it's the other way, they only reward a standout of there's no consistant performer. That may not have been so in the past but now it is.
THIS YEAR, they are rewarding consistency.
Note Cotchin. Killed Adelaide but the Kruuuuuez got it as he'd had a good 3 weeks. Comes out the next weekend, only has 14 but still gets nominated despite Morton and Reimers playing better games and getting 20+ possessions.
Nathan Brown got it for a less than inspiring game vs the Eagles when Urquhart and Morton played better games clearly. But he got a collective one for overall good performance since round 1.
Garrick Ibbotson got it when Brad Ebert had an absolute blinder but I'd say Garricks two 20-odd possession games before that got him nominated ahead of Ebert.
Kurt Tippet got nominated with 7 possessions and 1 goal against his name. :rollin Robbie Gray had 20 possessions and 2 goals.
I think I've made my point.
Your point will get blown out of the water when Hughes gets the nomination
HAWTHORN has received some good news following its second loss for the year, with young forward Jarryd Morton winning the NAB AFL Rising Star nomination for round 13.
:sleep
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Bad luck to Cleve. Back it up and you'll be nominated for sure next week :thumbsup.
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Two or three weeks of good form should get him across the line....and us as a team also :)
Stripes
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Not wanting to start an argument but interesting to look at Kruezer's performance in the rounds leading up to his 'domination' in getting a nomination with 9 disposals and 3 last qtr goals v Port:
M D HO
West Coast 3 6 10
Brisbane Lions 4 9 13
Fremantle 2 7 6
Geelong 2 6 4
No goals.
Hardly a case for an award whichever way you look at it.
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Not wanting to start an argument but interesting to look at Kruezer's performance in the rounds leading up to his 'domination' in getting a nomination with 9 disposals and 3 last qtr goals v Port:
M D HO
West Coast 3 6 10
Brisbane Lions 4 9 13
Fremantle 2 7 6
Geelong 2 6 4
No goals.
Hardly a case for an award whichever way you look at it.
Robert Walls must be on the panel ::)
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hughes found a spot in the afl team of the week, on the interchange :clapping
no sign of j. morton there...
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Good stuff Cleve :clapping.
Not wanting to start an argument but interesting to look at Kruezer's performance in the rounds leading up to his 'domination' in getting a nomination with 9 disposals and 3 last qtr goals v Port:
M D HO
West Coast 3 6 10
Brisbane Lions 4 9 13
Fremantle 2 7 6
Geelong 2 6 4
No goals.
Hardly a case for an award whichever way you look at it.
Robert Walls must be on the panel ::)
They said Kreuzer was on the verge of being dropped back to the Bullants before that Port game.
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Cleve will probably miss out again but I was pleased he was able to carry on from last week at least for a half presenting well and kicking 3. Our midfield getting smashed out fo the centre made it difficult for our forwards after half-time. We also went back to old habits of being too Richo conscious in the 3rd. I think we only went to Cleve once and Richo 5 times whereas it was the other way around in the 2nd quarter.
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Cleve will probably miss out again but I was pleased he was able to carry on from last week at least for a half presenting well and kicking 3. Our midfield getting smashed out fo the centre made it difficult for our forwards after half-time. We also went back to old habits of being too Richo conscious in the 3rd. I think we only went to Cleve once and Richo 5 times whereas it was the other way around in the 2nd quarter.
That coaching move was the beginning of the end for the tigers yesterday
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Richo had to be put up forward because he was on one leg, he probably shouldn't have played
It was the move of Ratten's to put Jamison on Cleve after he tore up O'Helpless that shut Cleve down
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True, Jamison spoiled very well.
Cleve did well marking when out on the lead, but we put too many kicks in on top of his head and he couldn't do what Fev was doing at the other end.
I would have been more happy with Schulz in instead of King, seeing Reiwoldt at full back wasn't a great sign, much rather keep the Morton/Hughes/Reiwoldt/Brown forward line together than have to shuffle them around like that.
Still, happy with how Hughes is coming along.
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Reborn Tiger shuns his wicket ways
Malcolm Conn | The Australian | June 28, 2008
IN the space of a year Cleve Hughes found that his shape and his sport changed dramatically.
The young Richmond forward began Year 10 as a wingman and self-confessed "slow" fast bowler.
A year later and Hughes was a different human. A spectacular 30cm growth spurt, a foot in the old language, had seen him morph into a key forward and "fast" fast bowler.
"The extra height really helped my bowling," Hughes said this week. "I went from slow to fast in one year."
For most of his teenage years cricket was his first love. He played in the under-17 carnival for South Australia and showed considerable promise, bowling with good "heat", as Kensington Cricket Club coach John Palmer recalled.
"He certainly hurried up batters his own age at the carnival and he would have hurried up a few A-grade batters, too, but unfortunately we couldn't keep him," Palmer said.
Twelve months on and life had changed dramatically again. Hughes was playing centre half-forward for South Australia and had an outstanding under-18 carnival in 2005 to make the All Australian under-aged team.
"That year footy snuck up on me pretty quickly," Hughes recalled. "I'd never previously made any sort of state squad for footy. I was a keen cricketer."
Hughes is in good company at Richmond. Brett Deledio, the 2004 first draft choice, was offered a place in the Victorian cricket squad by then coach David Hookes before choosing football.
And across the country in Perth, Shannon Hurn, like Hughes a native South Australian who also found himself in the 2005 draft, was taken as West Coast's first choice, 13 overall, after rejecting a place in the Australian under-19 team.
But while Deledio and Hurn arrived as readymade footballers, Hughes found himself out of his depth. Football had come with a late rush and he was neither physically nor mentally prepared to play in key positions.
Hughes was drafted by Richmond as its second round choice, 24th overall, and coach Terry Wallace was pleasantly surprised that Hughes had still been available by that stage given the impression he had made at the under-18 championships.
According to Wallace, there were two schools of thought among recruiters from the clubs.
"Some were not sure he was a competitive enough beast and wondered if he was too much of a mark and kick player. They thought he was too much of a risk," Wallace said.
"We thought he had a fantastic build for a key position player of the future. He finishes well and he's a tremendous athlete.
"We felt that if we could get him to mature physically and emotionally he would be a special player."
Until last Saturday the sceptics held sway. After playing the opening two games and managing just one goal, he was dropped and disappeared off the radar.
In his third year of AFL, Hughes had played 12 games for 12 goals.
But in Adelaide last weekend, in a game Richmond had to win to maintain any credibility as an improving side, Hughes imposed himself on Port Adelaide like he was a star, not a seconds player.
Charging at the ball, leaping and marking strongly, he kicked six goals to set up an ultimately tight victory, which makes him feel vastly different going into today's much hyped centenary match against Carlton at the MCG.
"Obviously it gives you a lot of confidence to know that you can make the grade," Hughes said. "Until your breakout game, you have a different mindset. You wonder if you can play at that level."
That Hughes had the space and increasing confidence to dominate after such a long stint in the VFL had much to do with the remaking of the Tigers.
Matthew Richardson's dramatic evolution from forward to wingman has invigorated the veteran and the Tigers, and given opportunities when there were none previously.
Wallace claimed the move of Richardson to the wing had come at least partly from frustration.
"People kept saying we had no key forwards for the future," Wallace said.
"I believed we did."
So the coach gathered together generation next in front of goal, Graham Polak, Jay Schulz, Jack Riewoldt and Hughes, promising that each would get their opportunity at some stage.
"I said to the four of them that Matthew was comfortable moving up the ground so long as someone was willing to take up the slack.
"Cleve has taken one step to doing that but it is only one."
Hughes misses cricket but doubts that he'll ever bowl again.
"I'm still pretty keen. I keep in touch with a few of the guys from the (under-17) program."
But his focus is building a strength of body and mind to survive and thrive in the AFL.
"When I first arrived the fitness component, the running and the weights, came as a real shock," he said. "My fitness was well down. I wasn't able to get in a position to get the ball enough, to get to enough contests.
"I've put on 11kg since I was drafted and with three pre-seasons behind me, I feel like I can make an impression."
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23933946-5012432,00.html
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Out of 8 quarters of football since his return, Cleve has scored goals in only 3 of them.
The good news is that he has kicked nine and averages 3 goals in quarters he kicks goals in.
If Cleve can put together a four quarter effort, I expect a minimum 12 goals a game from him.
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Cleve is under contract for another year but there seems to be some on BF (yeah I know) who either think or wish he will be traded.
Hughes, 21 y.o., started the season in the seniors before being dropped after our loss to North in round 2. Returned in round 13 to boot 6 goals against Port and 3 the following week against Carlton. He was omitted however again two weeks later after our second win over the Bombers with a "back" complaint. Finished the year playing in Coburg's one final appearance.
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B
2006: 3 4.0 0.7 0.7 3.2
2007: 7 7.6 3.4 1.3 8.5
2008: 6 7.0 4.3 0.2 12.2
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1630&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006144
So do we keep or trade Cleve?
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Keep, he is slowly getting there and when the big fella retires i believe he will step up. The game against Port proved what he could do and i liked his game in the final for the burgers, it wasnt his fault supply dried up. He is also turning into a pretty big unit and with Jack, Mitch and Browny can really make up a dangerous forward fifty.
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No brainer - KEEP
We need key position players, he has skill & talent and he's only been in the system 3 years...... :scream
I know this will shock people but sometimes development takes time :banghead
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Keeper for me too. Cleve has shown glimpses so far to be persisted with and is a good kick for goal. Compared to a Fev or Mooney who both took 4-5 years to come on he's coming along okay. Of course he needs to work on impacting more when the ball hits the ground and his defensive pressure but he needs to be persisted with in the seniors in tandem with Jack and Morton.
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I always bang on with cleve, he is 21 and performed better than many others of same age in VFL that have lofty reputations, in Thorp, Dowler, Hawkins...he kicked more than all of them and hit a high note in PA...He has to knuckle down and if we didn't see real improvement in 2009 then he would get the short shrift, no doubt...Keep him :thumbsup
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Sorry boys, this guy has peaked in Tiger colours ... move him on whilst he has some value.
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No brainer - KEEP
We need key position players, he has skill & talent and he's only been in the system 3 years...... :scream
I know this will shock people but sometimes development takes time :banghead
Yes keep.
Have been told the Polly incident shook him up a lot more than was first thought too.
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Keep keep keep. Has shown enough to suggest that with some application on the track and hard work in games he can kick bags of goals and be a real handful for defenders. Real issue with Cleve that can be is downfall is his mindset and psyche. Needs to have that in order otherwise he will stagnate.
On the flipside if club is aware of something about his mindset and that it will hinder him in the future then trade trade trade whilst his value is at its highest. Only thing that will keep this kid from developing into an adequate footballer who could kick 50-60 goals per season.
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Don't understand why people want to get rid of him, he get's a bum rap on all forums
Wouldn't be surprised if injury is holding him back from hitting the packs hard as he's still growing into his body. Once he gets confident that he won't get hurt when attacking the ball hard then we'll have a very good forward on our hands.
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Needs to come good IMO. We lack a tall foward.
Compared to Dowler/Clark etc. other highly rated forwards of his draft pool, he doesnt look too bad development wise.
FB: Newman - Thursfeid - Rance/Connors/Meyer/Edwards/Raines/Polo/Jackson
HB: Moore - McGaune - Tambling
C: Richo - Coughlan - White
HF: Cotchin - Reiwoldt - Deledio
FF: Brown - Hughes - Morton
OB: Simmonds - Tuck - Foley
It would be nice if one of Gourdis or Putt came good early but i doubt it with each still playing in the 3rds
Johnson, McMahon & Bowden will get spots you'd think
If Hughes gets a game it means someone like Raines or Edwards or Polo does not.
I agree he does not do well normally when the ball is on the ground and rebounding defenders run off him abit too much. However he is a nice league/mark/kick. Could have Cleve (21) and Jack (19) swapping from CHF/FF thou out the game. those 2 + Morton (21) seem to have abit of understanding playing with each other. These 3 tha look like being the forward line of 09/future we sometimes forget are still quiet young.. none of the 3 will be 22 till next season.
Stack Lids, Brown, Cotch along side them
and grunt in the midfeild Cogs, Tuck, Foley, White and Cleve might have some sort of chance of getting 40+ goals next year
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It would be nice if one of Gourdis or Putt came good early but i doubt it with each still playing in the 3rds
Both had earned elevation to the Coburg Seniors
Putt ended the year injured and Gourdis was only dropped in the finals due to the 12/10 rule
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Putt should be fine in a couple of years as his body matures. A 202cm forward who can push into the ruck.
Gourdis is more a project type with his iffy kicking the main concern. Good size though if he can overcome his deficiencies.
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What are your expectations for Clever in 2009 and what would be a good year for him?
Career so far:
Games Disposals Marks Tackles G.B
2006: 3 4.0 0.7 0.7 3.2
2007: 7 7.6 3.4 1.3 8.5
2008: 6 7.0 4.3 0.2 12.2
http://finalsiren.com/PlayerStats.asp?PlayerID=1630&SeasonID=ALL
http://www.pro-stats.com.au/psw/web/player_profile?pid=2006144
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I would like to see him cement a spot in the side as our full foward, play around 15 games and kick around 30-35 goals.
If he can do that then I'll be happy with his progress
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He'll gety every opportunity to make the FF spot his own...we'll know by mid point of 2009 whether he is made of the right stuff...He's teased at times with ability to perform at the level...moves well, nice grab and neat kick...needs to work on his application to the task and a decent dose of desire wouldn't hurt...i hope he responds to the challenge...He looks to have added to his frame which will help :gotigers
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Needs to improve on his work at ground level to get a spot in the seniors.
Also a ? about his mental toughness
Showed he can demand a spot if he works on these things.
He has to aim for up to a dozen games and to get his possesion count above double figures in those games - That would be a start, work on that and if he can't get the step up this year then give himself a good base for a crack at it next year.
:gotigers in 09
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I may get howled down for this but there is a touch of the Fevolas about his style of play. He (like Fev in his early days) tends to go missing in tough times.
Most genuine full forwards take time to mature - this is because
1. They have designated defenders from day 1 (unlike midfielders who tend to get a bit of peace until the hurt the opposition)
2. They rely heavily on the mids for supply, knowing when to go and where to go takes time and skill, Buddys the exception.
The steamer needs time to work out how he can make it work at AFL level. This year 15-18 games and mid to high 30s in goals would be a great return. I suspect it may be more like 10-12 games and low 20s.
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Anything over 35 goals a bonus. Anything under 25 a disappointment.
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No ticker this lad.
One dimensional, soft forward more enamored with the idea of being a footballer than knuckling down and doing the hard yards required to be a successful player for Richmond.
Reckon 2008 will be his last in a RFC jumper.
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No ticker this lad.
One dimensional, soft forward more enamored with the idea of being a footballer than knuckling down and doing the hard yards required to be a successful player for Richmond.
Reckon 2008 will be his last in a RFC jumper.
I tend towards this opinion also (although I probably think 2009, not 2008). ;) Hope I'm wrong but I don't hold out much hope for him to be honest.
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No ticker this lad.
One dimensional, soft forward more enamored with the idea of being a footballer than knuckling down and doing the hard yards required to be a successful player for Richmond.
Reckon 2008 will be his last in a RFC jumper.
No ticker? Watch the round 1 V Carltank again for starters.
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he needs more mongrel until then he hasnt won me over.
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No ticker? Watch the round 1 V Carltank again for starters.
Fair enough, that's one occasion he did.
Doesn't come naturally to him though I will tell you that.
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No ticker this lad.
One dimensional, soft forward more enamored with the idea of being a footballer than knuckling down and doing the hard yards required to be a successful player for Richmond.
Reckon 2008 will be his last in a RFC jumper.
Watched the rd16 game against the Bombers last night and based on that one game your assessment is spot on. Hughes did nothing except get a dodgy free kick.
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Clever needs to do more than just be a mark and kick forward. He kicked 6 against Port last year so there's something there to work with but he needs to do more so he's having influence on a game even when the goals are harder to come by. For his confidence I wish Clever was persisted with more in the seniors rather than being dropped back to Coburg after a bad game. If he can get into the teens in terms of games played this year and average over 2 goals then that would be a decent return from Clever for mine.
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Clever needs to do more than just be a mark and kick forward. He kicked 6 against Port last year so there's something there to work with but he needs to do more so he's having influence on a game even when the goals are harder to come by.
Never truer words spoken.
You look at the best forwards in the league and they work their asses off when they are out of the contest. Cleve doesn't.
Kick & mark might work in under 18's, it might even work if your midfield is dominant but it doesn't make you an good AFL player.
It's imperative for Clean Knees to work harder in a game than he does currently whether that be tackling, shepherding, making room for other forwards or crumbers etc.
For all this though I just don't think the willingness to work hard is in him.
Cleve wants to be on easy street & eventually that will see him depart as others are preferred.
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He's as gay as Jeff Hogg.
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He's as gay as Jeff Hogg.
Hoggy had his breakout year when he was 21. Kicked 57 goals after never kicking more than 10 in the two years before.
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Tigers turn to youth as veterans dumped by coach Jade Rawlings
Mike Sheahan | June 12, 2009
NOW that's what you call a statement.
Jade Rawlings obviously doesn't see himself as the token coach at Richmond until it finds a real one. His first team as caretaker coach is a public declaration the landscape is going to change at Punt Rd.
The "outs" for Saturday night's game against West Coast - Joel Bowden, Mark Coughlan, Jordan McMahon, Kayne Pettifer and Troy Simmonds - have played a total of 795 AFL games.
Given the continuing absence of the injured Matthew Richardson and Nathan Brown, the Tigers have lost or dumped players with 1290 games' experience from their "best" 22.
Throw in Kane Johnson, and we're up to 1500.
Bowden was the major casualty at selection yesterday. He is a dual best-and-fairest winner and third behind Shane Tuck and Nathan Foley for disposals this year.
It's a big call by the new boss, who happens to be only nine months older than the veteran defender.
There's no guarantees any of the five will be back, either. Not soon, anyway. The Rawlings direction is clear: we're going young, and we'll have a good look at them.
The newcomers for the West Coast game include debutant Ty Vickery, while Angus Graham is the oldest of the other four at 22.
Shane Edwards is the most experienced member of the quintet with 36 games. The total is 63.
What the coach seems to be saying is the casualties have been culprits in the club's terrible start to the season, or they aren't part of the future.
Rawlings has a juggling act: the fundamental of winning games and the necessity to run the rule over the untried talent on the list.
Vickery, No. 8 pick in 2008 national draft, is the future, much like Jack Watts is the future at Melbourne.
And, like Watts, Vickery is going to take time.
He is 200cm and 81kg, which means he is 4cm shorter than Dean Cox -- and 25kg lighter.
Rawlings will continue to introduce youth.
Jake King, Jarrad Oakley-Nicholls and Adam Thomson, named last night as emergencies, will play in the next week or two. Daniel Connors also will get his chance. He should, too. He is in his third season and has had just 10 games.
Then there's Cleve Hughes, taken at No. 24 in the 2005 national draft. His situation is more complicated, but he is a 22-year-old who kicked six goals against Port Adelaide less than 12 months ago.
Surely a kid of 193cm who can kick has to get an opportunity, even if there are what are referred to as issues.
Yes, it's going to be a most interesting second half of the season at Punt Rd under coach Rawlings.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25623184-19742,00.html
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Yes, it's going to be a most interesting second half of the season at Punt Rd under coach Rawlings.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/sport/afl/story/0,26576,25623184-19742,00.html
:gobdrop :gobdrop
No kidding... :rollin
looking forward to it
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Now were talking.
:rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :bow :bow :clapping :clapping
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Whats so complicated about it? Cleve Hughes is playing in the Coburg reserves....That to me means that he has alot of improving to do before he can wear the jumper again, if ever...
Lets get real People! If we really want to return to our former glory do you think a player like this is worth the trouble?
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Here's Cleve's Profile on the Southport Sharks FC Website.
Note his favourite team.
Cleve Hughes
Age: 23
From:
Richmond/Norwood
Position:
Tall Forward
Favourite AFL Team: Adelaide
Favourite Food: Sharks Buffet
Favourite Movie/TV Show: Law Abiding Citizen
Star Sign: Capricorn
Thing you couldn't live without:
Dinner dates on Valentine's Day
AN aside Darren Pffeifer, a Sharks team-mate, and former Adelaide/Carlton player stated Carlton were his favourite AFL team while Dean Putt still loves the Tigers
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Noticed this as well.
Giant killers Aspley came crashing back to earth after being stomped on by Southport’s three-pronged attack today.
Cleve Hughes, Cameron MacLaren and Ben Merrett booted the Sharks’ first 10 goals between them and 17 out of 21 in total as the Hornets defence was powerless to stop them.
Richmond recruit Hughes booted 9.5 in easily his best game for the club
http://www.southportsharks.com.au/football/seniors.php
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Maybe Richmond will exchange him back for Rewoldt in a clean swap ;D
My cousin Travis Johnson is playing with Cleve Hughes at Southport. They are both pretty much the same size.
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oh about his favorite AFL team its no surprise he hails from Adelaide
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I'd forgotten about this spud already.
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Hmmm...Is this why his best game was against Port.
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Kicked 11 for Southport in the AFLQ yesterday.
Reckon he's kicked more than 60 so far from 9-10 games. :thumbsup
Shoe in for the GCFC .. Good Luck to the lad .. Sand, surf and sun must agree with his laconic ways. :cheers
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Forget about Cleve , seen him at christmas time, waste of time. he is too busy chasing cougars on the coast ;)
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listen if Nathan ablett was on their radar then I reckon Cleve will be a shoe in to find a spot on their list...would not suprise if he showed a bit, he looked alright early on until he hit a speedhum and never recovered
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The Clever is looking for a second chance at AFL level ...
NEAFL
Cleve Hughes, Redland, 27, 193cm, 93kg
Selected by Richmond with pick 24 in 2005 NAB AFL Draft after showing great promise in the SANFL with Norwood, the big forward played just 16 games for the Tigers over four seasons. He moved to Queensland after being delisted by Richmond and spent four years playing for Southport, where he kicked 203 goals in 63 games. A move to fellow NEAFL club Redland for this season has rejuvenated Hughes. He has kicked 78 goals in 15 games, with a best haul of 11 against Gold Coast's reserves. Away from footy, Hughes has been making a name for himself as a male model with Vivien's modelling agency in Brisbane.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-08-14/draft-gems-of-the-state-leagues
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Get it done Tiges.
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the steamer :clapping
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Straight swap for Hampson
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I would rather have Dean Limbach back.
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Surely we bring back Oakleigh-Nicholls and Pat Bowden for a class of 05 reunion game?
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Anyone for Dean MacDonald? ;D
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Would rather buy Troy Taylor a house
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Would rather buy Relton Roberts a hamburger.
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Would rather buy Relton Roberts a hamburger.
Ronald McDonald?
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Jake Owen would be the only player i would consider!
This kid can play!