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Football => Richmond Rant => Topic started by: Tigeritis™©® on April 30, 2016, 12:07:53 PM
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What if.......
The Scum Cheats picked up Ben Lennon (pick 12) and we got Patrick Cripps (pick 13) instead.
What sort of player do you think Lennon would be and how would Patrick be performing now at punt road?
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Lennon would be better but Cripps would still be a gun.
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Cripples is going to be a bonfire gun
There is another fine example of a missed Pavlich , frankin,Fyfe. ..
Skate cycle.... blah blah blah
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If Cripps came to us he would have shrunk 6cm instead of growing 6 cm.
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If Cripps came to us he would have shrunk 6cm instead of growing 6 cm.
:lol that's what I'm talking about. :clapping
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Lennon would probably be vying for the Coleman and I would been watching Cripps run around Punt road oval in the 2's.
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Round 7
Patrick Cripps
29 possessions / 19 contested.
9 clearances & 6 tackles
4 score involvements & 2 goal assists.
Ben Lennon....... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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Cripps is some sort of machine. Think a lot of clubs are spewing they passed on him
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We missed out of thousands great players...
Lennon should be left in te forward line.
With rioli. Cotchin. Deledio. Edwards
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Cotch played like Cripps a few years till dimwit screwed his development
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Look you've hit the nail on the head it's our drafting that is the key problem. FJ and BH have to go. We need a good talent spotter or three.
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Offer Wells from Geelong $700K :shh
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Round 8
Patrick Cripps
30 possessions / 16 contested / 8 clearances / 7 tackles.
7 score involvements & 2 goal assists.
Ben Lennon
......................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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:banghead how good is this guy? His another Judd
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Look you've hit the nail on the head it's our drafting that is the key problem. FJ and BH have to go. We need a good talent spotter or three.
So were they also responsible for the recruiting at GWS, GC, Norf, Dees, Brissy, Bulldogs, Saints, & Collingwood (who had 2 picks).
From what I have seen, Ben can play a bit but he's being mismanaged.
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:banghead how good is this guy? His another Judd
I think you have hit the nail unknowingly on the head.
Judd has been a mentor for this guy, telling him how hard to train, where to position himself, where to run and when to run. I hear he still is mentoring him.
So, having one of the best ever teaching you directly must help your development.
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Judd, Pfft! ............But we have Greg Mellor, Ryan Ferguson, Andrew McQualter :rollin
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Judd should be our midfield coach. Should be into Bartel as well once Geelong tap him on the shoulder.
Ling & Hodge too...get 'em all, pay the minnow club welfare tax.....
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Round 9
Patrick Cripps
30 possessions / 14 contested / 8 clearances / 7 tackles / 5 marks
5 score involvements & 6 tackles.
Ben Lennon
......................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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He slipped to 13, a lot of clubs stuffed up, we just happened to have the pick preceding. Lennon is/will be a very solid player. He's playing up a bit from what I hear, wont do the hard yards. If thats the case, I fully support the club/coaching panel by not picking him consistently.
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Round 9
Patrick Cripps
30 possessions / 14 contested / 8 clearances / 7 tackles / 5 marks
5 score involvements & 6 tackles.
Ben Lennon
......................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
You can't drop Lloyd for a few weeks after his game vs Sydney
They only other spot is short
Is drop grigg and re-jig it to accommodate the beautiful kick that is Lennon
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He slipped to 13, a lot of clubs stuffed up, we just happened to have the pick preceding. Lennon is/will be a very solid player. He's playing up a bit from what I hear, wont do the hard yards. If thats the case, I fully support the club/coaching panel by not picking him consistently.
"JUST HAPPENED" lol
We just happened to pick Fiora over Pavlich.
We just happened to pick Tambling over Franklin
We just happened to kick into the wind Against Port in the EF in 2014.
Just happened.
Just happened. Just did.
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He slipped to 13, a lot of clubs stuffed up, we just happened to have the pick preceding. Lennon is/will be a very solid player. He's playing up a bit from what I hear, wont do the hard yards. If thats the case, I fully support the club/coaching panel by not picking him consistently.
"JUST HAPPENED" lol
We just happened to pick Fiora over Pavlich.
We just happened to pick Tambling over Franklin
We just happened to kick into the wind Against Port in the EF in 2014.
Just happened.
Just happened. Just did.
My point is its made all the more poignant because we had the exact preceding pick. 9 other clubs are kicking themselves as well. Collingwood took Freeman (no longer on their list) and Scharenberg (hasn't played a game for the club yet, nursing another acl) before Cripps.
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He slipped to 13, a lot of clubs stuffed up, we just happened to have the pick preceding. Lennon is/will be a very solid player. He's playing up a bit from what I hear, wont do the hard yards. If thats the case, I fully support the club/coaching panel by not picking him consistently.
"JUST HAPPENED" lol
We just happened to pick Fiora over Pavlich.
We just happened to pick Tambling over Franklin
We just happened to kick into the wind Against Port in the EF in 2014.
Just happened.
Just happened. Just did.
:thumbsup
Spot on
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He slipped to 13, a lot of clubs stuffed up, we just happened to have the pick preceding. Lennon is/will be a very solid player. He's playing up a bit from what I hear, wont do the hard yards. If thats the case, I fully support the club/coaching panel by not picking him consistently.
"JUST HAPPENED" lol
We just happened to pick Fiora over Pavlich.
We just happened to pick Tambling over Franklin
We just happened to kick into the wind Against Port in the EF in 2014.
Just happened.
Just happened. Just did.
My point is its made all the more poignant because we had the exact preceding pick. 9 other clubs are kicking themselves as well. Collingwood took Freeman (no longer on their list) and Scharenberg (hasn't played a game for the club yet, nursing another acl) before Cripps.
Why bring other clubs into it? And who gives a crap what other clubs do unless they're winning premierships?
It only matters what we do and how we do it to be a better team than we've always been. Just because other clubs fail doesn't mean the recruiters should feel vindicated as they weren't the only ones.
To improve as a team you just can't accept missing players like Fyfe or Cripps. This also highlights the ineptitude of the current recruiters and current development team to make potentially good players not just fulfill their potential but surpass it.
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I accept the decision to draft Lennon. We need someone with elite kicking who can play high half forward and rotate through the middle because Lids isn't going to do it forever.
And also for all we know, Cripps would have only played 10 senior games to date if we drafted him because we have Taylor Hunt, Grigg, Ellis etc
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Patrick Cripps
24 Disposals, 11 clearances, 8 tackles, 2 clangers.
Ben Lennon
13 Disposals, 0 clearances, 3 tackles, 5 clangers.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
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Patrick Cripps
24 Disposals, 11 clearances, 8 tackles, 2 clangers.
Ben Lennon
13 Disposals, 0 clearances, 3 tackles, 5 clangers.
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping
Improving since the last comparison..... :shh
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Round 22
Patrick Cripps
30 disposals (19 contested), 13 tackles, 12 clearances, 5 inside 50's
Ben Lennon
........................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
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Cripps would have been playing in the twos in the back pocket still if he was at Richmond.
The Hardwick way......
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Round 22
Patrick Cripps
30 disposals (19 contested), 13 tackles, 12 clearances, 5 inside 50's
Ben Lennon
........................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
Why not compare Alex Rance or Jack Riewoldt from those draft years?
Cause Carlton have drafted so awesome over the years,
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Round 22
Patrick Cripps
30 disposals (19 contested), 13 tackles, 12 clearances, 5 inside 50's
Ben Lennon
........................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
Why not compare Alex Rance or Jack Riewoldt from those draft years?
Cause Carlton have drafted so awesome over the years,
This isn't a commentary on the cheats. This is more so highlighting the inadequacies of the current regime.
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Round 22
Patrick Cripps
30 disposals (19 contested), 13 tackles, 12 clearances, 5 inside 50's
Ben Lennon
........................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
Why not compare Alex Rance or Jack Riewoldt from those draft years?
Cause Carlton have drafted so awesome over the years,
Wake up!
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Round 22
Patrick Cripps
30 disposals (19 contested), 13 tackles, 12 clearances, 5 inside 50's
Ben Lennon
........................... :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83.
Why not compare Alex Rance or Jack Riewoldt from those draft years?
Cause Carlton have drafted so awesome over the years,
lol, seriously HRT you're memory isn't that short is it?
At the time we took Lennon (a classy flanker according to some) we overlooked Cripps. So what did we do during the FA and trade period for that and the next season?
Let betamax and Co pick up recycled inside mids and contested ball players who were never going to be there long term.
And where are we at now? Matt Thomas retired, two junk mids in the VFL who can't get a game and our first round selection from that year 'a flanker' injury prone and unfavored by the senior coach.
Now forget the Franklin/Pavlich/Fyfe arguments that we missed 'great' players... Here is an example of a list need where they overlooked to go on the cheap and get someone from Halfwits favourite bargain bin..
Reality is just like Dusty if the player is good enough they will make it. And Cripps is already showing that he is the play the blues will build their club around.
What dissapointed me, is instead of targeting 'THAT' mid we are missing ala Shiel/Treloar/Prestia we could've drafted them and now be focusing our $$$ and trading picks for what really matters KPD/F
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Who else overlooked Cripps
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Who else overlooked Cripps
Stupid argument IMO.
Who gives a crap about other teams? This is only about us.
Answer these questions?
Who consistently get picks wrong or selects the wrong players or can't improve players with potential?
Who is the worst performed team in the last 30 years?
...........let's not question anyone, but for stabilities sake, lets keep Betamax because he found "one out of the box" JON or let's rejoice for BJ & Chocco & "Mr Blueprint" half-step Dumma because they were from Port in 2004 and they're all good blokes & they have the characteristics to be great blokes :rollin
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Who else overlooked Cripps
Stupid argument IMO.
Who gives a crap about other teams? This is only about us.
Answer these questions?
Who consistently get picks wrong or selects the wrong players or can't improve players with potential?
Who is the worst performed team in the last 30 years?
...........let's not question anyone, but for stabilities sake, lets keep Betamax because he found "one out of the box" JON or let's rejoice for BJ & Chocco & "Mr Blueprint" half-step Dumma because they were from Port in 2004 and they're all good blokes & they have the characteristics to be great blokes :rollin
Yeh but who else overlooked him?
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Offer Wells from Geelong $700K :shh
Kinnear Beatson is the best in the business by a long way. Craps all over Wells. Built Brisbane 3 time premiership list and has kept Sydney top 4 for the last 6 or 7 years
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Offer Wells from Geelong $700K :shh
Kinnear Beatson is the best in the business by a long way. Craps all over Wells. Built Brisbane 3 time premiership list and has kept Sydney top 4 for the last 6 or 7 years
Offer him $800K then... ;D
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Who else overlooked Cripps
More to the point, how many people would cry that we picked up a vanilla, one speed midfielder who will never make it. Not to mention Lennon was touted as a top 10 pick whereas Cripps was lucky to break inside the top 20.
Especially at a time when we were screaming for speed
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Lennon is slow too.
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If Cripps came to us he would have shrunk 6cm instead of growing 6 cm.
:jump
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I think we all get the point our recruiting is our achilles heel but our development ain't great either nor our game play style. You can win premiership building through the middle like Sydney did and still does so that aspect of recycled players isn't wrong per se but whatever strategy you take, you have to do it well and we are only so so in probably all 3 areas. It really is time to recruit off field excellence.
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I think we all get the point our recruiting is our achilles heel but our development ain't great either nor our game play style. You can win premiership building through the middle like Sydney did and still does so that aspect of recycled players isn't wrong per se but whatever strategy you take, you have to do it well and we are only so so in probably all 3 areas. It really is time to recruit off field excellence.
The problem is, "they" don't think there is a problem.
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I think we all get the point our recruiting is our achilles heel but our development ain't great either nor our game play style. You can win premiership building through the middle like Sydney did and still does so that aspect of recycled players isn't wrong per se but whatever strategy you take, you have to do it well and we are only so so in probably all 3 areas. It really is time to recruit off field excellence.
The problem is, "they" don't think there is a problem.
Exactly.
And they all are big believers of Dumma's "blueprint to success", "stick to the process", "one step back two steps forward" 5 year plan thats not an 8 year plan even though it will be his eighth year. :rollin
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The 8 year plan is - keep Houli for 8 years.
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The 8 year plan is - keep Houli for 8 years.
Jackstar to write up the contract because he thinks Houli 'deserves it'.
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
...of which create turnovers at a rate higher than ANY other player in the competition. Kicks to the wrong side of contest repeatedly.
FACT
Would rather him have less disposals.
And wont man up. And wont tackle.
The type of player that has fans and coaches fooled.
The very definition of Richmond.
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
...of which create turnovers at a rate higher than ANY other player in the competition. Kicks to the wrong side of contest repeatedly.
FACT
Would rather him have less disposals.
And wont man up. And wont tackle.
The type of player that has fans and coaches fooled.
The very definition of Richmond.
You should be employed in the AFL Dooks
You are a genius
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
...of which create turnovers at a rate higher than ANY other player in the competition. Kicks to the wrong side of contest repeatedly.
FACT
Would rather him have less disposals.
And wont man up. And wont tackle.
The type of player that has fans and coaches fooled.
The very definition of Richmond.
You should be employed in the AFL Dooks
You are a genius
Not a genius. Just one of site experts who is capable of forming measured opinions and providing insight, based on balanced assessment, rational consideration and logical thinking.
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
Seeing as you missed it - or more likely, conveniently ignored it - in the other thread:
11 games with him - 2 wins, 9 losses.
10 games without him - 6 wins, 4 losses.
Yep - indispensable is Bachar..... :shh
:shh
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Round 23
Patrick Cripps
33 disposals (23 contested), 10 clearances, 8 tackles.
Ben Lennon
.......................... :whistle
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
Seeing as you missed it - or more likely, conveniently ignored it - in the other thread:
11 games with him - 2 wins, 9 losses.
10 games without him - 6 wins, 4 losses.
Yep - indispensable is Bachar..... :shh
:shh
:clapping Another good dose of reality
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Brownlow medal votes
Patrick Cripps
18 Votes
Ben Lennon
........ :whistle
Richmond FC, ruining careers since '83. :clapping :gotigers
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
Grigg got 40 one game I think :shh :shh
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Lots of Brownlow votes ol' houli got ey
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
...of which create turnovers at a rate higher than ANY other player in the competition. Kicks to the wrong side of contest repeatedly.
FACT
Would rather him have less disposals.
And wont man up. And wont tackle.
The type of player that has fans and coaches fooled.
The very definition of Richmond.
You should be employed in the AFL Dooks
You are a genius
Oh look Dooks, no brownlow votes to Houli. You are a genius after all!
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Houli is a good player
Team is better with him in it
Fact !!
Averages 25 possessions a game
...of which create turnovers at a rate higher than ANY other player in the competition. Kicks to the wrong side of contest repeatedly.
FACT
Would rather him have less disposals.
And wont man up. And wont tackle.
The type of player that has fans and coaches fooled.
The very definition of Richmond.
You should be employed in the AFL Dooks
You are a genius
Oh look Dooks, no brownlow votes to Houli. You are a genius after all!
Thanks mate.