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We don’t need to rebuild: Tigers
Chris Vernuccio
Herald-Sun
May 1, 2016
RICHMOND insists it doesn’t need to rebuild and has defended its recruiting strategy as its nightmare season lurches from bad to worse.
Tigers football boss Dan Richardson said the club knew its mature-age recruits couldn’t take it to a flag, but were forced to take them in the GWS and Gold Coast-forced compromised drafts.
And Richmond coach Damien Hardwick insists the Tigers did not overrate their list after finishing within a win of the top four last season.
Richardson said the club’s disastrous 1-5 start and slim chance of playing finals wouldn’t deter it from trading early picks for that elusive A-grade player.
“The list strategy won’t change. Clearly we need to improve our top-end talent and the best way to do that is through early draft picks, which we don’t know whether we’ve got yet, or by bringing in some A-grade talent and to do that you need to give up early draft picks,” Richardson said.
Richardson told Triple M that Richmond had recruited the right players in recent years.
“Through the compromised draft period we did bring in a balance of mature age players and draft picks and we were well aware a lot of those mature-age players wouldn’t be able to take us to the next step,” he told Triple M.
“But that strategy was by necessity rather than choice because of the introduction of two new teams and at the start of Damien’s reign the club was rock bottom and we needed to find a way to become competitive again.
“We did that relatively quickly compared to a lot of other clubs at the bottom at that time and now the challenge, clearly, is for us to take the next step.”
Three weeks ago Hardwick said the Tigers needed to “take a little half-step back to go two steps forward”, but agreed a list overhaul wasn’t required.
The main problem for the Tigers, Hardwick said, was the team hasn’t performed to the level it’s capable of and had been unsettled by injuries to key players.
“I don’t know whether that’s necessary for us,” Hardwick told 3AW on Sunday.
“You look at the players that are playing at the moment. We’ve probably got six to seven first, second or third-year players playing at present.
“The thing that’s probably caught us a little off guard is the fact that guys like Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlaustin, these types of players haven’t been playing for a period of time and the guys that we’ve currently got within the side are not playing to the level of expectation we know they can.
“We’ve got a unified group and our playing group to their credit are very resilient,”
“We’ve been in this situation before, we’re playing nowhere near to the level what I feel is our potential and we’ve got to make sure we continue to consistently get the fundamentals in our game back up to the standard that we know we can.
“We had a level of performance last year that was able to be within a kick of top four but we haven’t reached that level this year, yet.”
Richmond’s injury issues deepened with captain Trent Cotchin fracturing his cheekbone and Kane Lambert suffering a punctured lung in Saturday night’s 35-point loss to Port Adelaide.
The Tigers face Hawthorn and Sydney in the next fortnight and are staring down the barrel of a 1-7 start, but Hardwick said they weren’t giving up on the season and would continue to pick their best side.
“We’re trying to win as many games as well possibly can, every team’s the same,” he said.
“We speak about our playing jumper and what it means to our players and every player will be playing accordingly to that.
“We will be picking our best available side for the majority of the year when they become available
“We’ve got some players out we’d love to have in the side at the moment but when we get those players back we think we’ll put in a more Richmond-like performance.”
Richardson said the club wouldn’t be panicked into wholesale shifts in philosophy.
“We won 15 games last year with a list that’s not drastically different to what it is now. Clearly there’s some injuries and young players who are probably showing a bit of inconsistency at the moment,” he said.
“That certainly doesn’t mean that in Round 6 we’re throwing the white flag up and saying, ‘The season is over’. But clearly we’re not happy with where we’re at.
“We’re certainly not rebuilding, but we know we need to improve and move on from some of the mature-age talent we brought in during the compromised drafts that have taken us to three finals series without winning one.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-insist-it-doesnt-need-to-rebuild-despite-15-start-to-the-season/news-story/d921e58e881169eaca12eef36da6059e
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Well boys, guess what, we are again rock bottom... :whistle
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terrific, just terrificTM
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Yeah let's not chase any decent players(so much for the "war chest")and head into the draft with no second round pick and Hackson still in charge.....no doubt after a bunch of meaningless late wins that along with more concessions and compo picks will bump the first pick up tp 12 -15 range again..... :gotigers
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Everybody love everybody please :gotigers
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We don’t need to rebuild: Tigers
Chris Vernuccio
Herald-Sun
May 1, 2016
RICHMOND insists it doesn’t need to rebuild and has defended its recruiting strategy as its nightmare season lurches from bad to worse.
Tigers football boss Dan Richardson said the club knew its mature-age recruits couldn’t take it to a flag, but were forced to take them in the GWS and Gold Coast-forced compromised drafts.
And Richmond coach Damien Hardwick insists the Tigers did not overrate their list after finishing within a win of the top four last season.
Richardson said the club’s disastrous 1-5 start and slim chance of playing finals wouldn’t deter it from trading early picks for that elusive A-grade player.
“The list strategy won’t change. Clearly we need to improve our top-end talent and the best way to do that is through early draft picks, which we don’t know whether we’ve got yet, or by bringing in some A-grade talent and to do that you need to give up early draft picks,” Richardson said.
Richardson told Triple M that Richmond had recruited the right players in recent years.
“Through the compromised draft period we did bring in a balance of mature age players and draft picks and we were well aware a lot of those mature-age players wouldn’t be able to take us to the next step,” he told Triple M.
“But that strategy was by necessity rather than choice because of the introduction of two new teams and at the start of Damien’s reign the club was rock bottom and we needed to find a way to become competitive again.
“We did that relatively quickly compared to a lot of other clubs at the bottom at that time and now the challenge, clearly, is for us to take the next step.”
Three weeks ago Hardwick said the Tigers needed to “take a little half-step back to go two steps forward”, but agreed a list overhaul wasn’t required.
The main problem for the Tigers, Hardwick said, was the team hasn’t performed to the level it’s capable of and had been unsettled by injuries to key players.
“I don’t know whether that’s necessary for us,” Hardwick told 3AW on Sunday.
“You look at the players that are playing at the moment. We’ve probably got six to seven first, second or third-year players playing at present.
“The thing that’s probably caught us a little off guard is the fact that guys like Dylan Grimes and Nick Vlaustin, these types of players haven’t been playing for a period of time and the guys that we’ve currently got within the side are not playing to the level of expectation we know they can.
“We’ve got a unified group and our playing group to their credit are very resilient,”
“We’ve been in this situation before, we’re playing nowhere near to the level what I feel is our potential and we’ve got to make sure we continue to consistently get the fundamentals in our game back up to the standard that we know we can.
“We had a level of performance last year that was able to be within a kick of top four but we haven’t reached that level this year, yet.”
Richmond’s injury issues deepened with captain Trent Cotchin fracturing his cheekbone and Kane Lambert suffering a punctured lung in Saturday night’s 35-point loss to Port Adelaide.
The Tigers face Hawthorn and Sydney in the next fortnight and are staring down the barrel of a 1-7 start, but Hardwick said they weren’t giving up on the season and would continue to pick their best side.
“We’re trying to win as many games as well possibly can, every team’s the same,” he said.
“We speak about our playing jumper and what it means to our players and every player will be playing accordingly to that.
“We will be picking our best available side for the majority of the year when they become available
“We’ve got some players out we’d love to have in the side at the moment but when we get those players back we think we’ll put in a more Richmond-like performance.”
Richardson said the club wouldn’t be panicked into wholesale shifts in philosophy.
“We won 15 games last year with a list that’s not drastically different to what it is now. Clearly there’s some injuries and young players who are probably showing a bit of inconsistency at the moment,” he said.
“That certainly doesn’t mean that in Round 6 we’re throwing the white flag up and saying, ‘The season is over’. But clearly we’re not happy with where we’re at.
“We’re certainly not rebuilding, but we know we need to improve and move on from some of the mature-age talent we brought in during the compromised drafts that have taken us to three finals series without winning one.”
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/richmond/richmond-insist-it-doesnt-need-to-rebuild-despite-15-start-to-the-season/news-story/d921e58e881169eaca12eef36da6059e
lol how can they be so blind. You cant fix a thing if you cant or wont admit to what is wrong.
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Seems Dan Richardson is Designated to be on media street this week
From Twitter
SEN Breakfast
TOMORROW | The Tiger slump to 1-5 - GM of Footy Dan Richardson joins us to discuss the direction of the club and if they can turn it around
No time listed though
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Guys
It didn't work
Time to clean up the list properly instead of cutting all the guys who were playing VFL all year.
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
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Blind Freddie was aware Heppel was the optimal selection at our pick
As was Hurn in the JON draft
Circus fc - smartest blokes in the room.
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Gordon over Byrne-Jones..... :clapping
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The Tigers dismissed as incorrect reports they would embark upon a review of recruiting and trading at Punt Rd.
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/richmond/richmond-insist-it-doesnt-need-to-rebuild-despite-15-start-to-the-season/news-story/d921e58e881169eaca12eef36da6059e
Totally clueless, utterly delusional.....
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Lynch and Parker.
We'd be a different team if we'd taken those two...
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Lynch and Parker.
We'd be a different team if we'd taken those two...
Or those two would be different? :shh
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Very much like reading an albert interview
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Lynch and Parker.
We'd be a different team if we'd taken those two...
Or those two would be different? :shh
Good point
We keep hearing we coulda, shoulda taken but what guarantee would we have that they would the players they if they came through our system?
I keep reading people ripping into our development so based on that the "coulda, shoulda" players woulda all be spuds
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Lynch and Parker.
We'd be a different team if we'd taken those two...
Or those two would be different? :shh
Both playing back pocket :shh
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It's like reading a James Hird interview.
Compromised drafts, yes they were, but the Conca draft was very strong. At 6 and 30 we could have picked 2 A-graders from Heppell, Prestia, Lynch and Parker at 30.
Also, we had to take mature aged players, yes maybe 7 years ago, but Gordon, Moore, Townsend...
Norf also have grabbed mature recruits, but guys that could actually get a game for their seniors.
Lynch and Parker.
We'd be a different team if we'd taken those two...
Or those two would be different? :shh
Both playing back pocket :shh
Well, how else are you supposed to learn how to defend? :shh
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Dan Richardson, well the other clubs aren't crying like you, North, Hawthorn, Geelong, Bulldogs, have managed their lists just fine.
We have had the same opportunities as them.
The strategy is wrong, admit it.
This season and the club = "30 Seconds Over Tokyo" by Pete Ubu
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usual spin from dan
stuff what an idiot this bloke is
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RFC twitter saying Benny Gale will be on 3AW tonight at 6.20pm and then Talking Footy on 7mate at 7.30
They are wheeling them all out now to they and placate the masses
Bit late seeing theyve done a "360" in the space of 6 weeks
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Flogs or not.....hope they really go after him hard....
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Flogs or not.....hope they really go after him hard....
the only one who would is barrett. The rest of them ask the nice fluffy questions so they dont get upset and not come back on the show.
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
Not sure what you are on about, RFC recruited the master self inflicter of pain Townsend
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
Apparently it was the will of god we brought in Chaplin Hampson grigg
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Flogs or not.....hope they really go after him hard....
the only one who would is barrett. The rest of them ask the nice fluffy questions so they dont get upset and not come back on the show.
Unfortunately he isn't going on Footy Classified Angus
He will be on Talking Footy - with Darcy, Watson & Carey
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This imbecile can't admit he's stuffed it up because his ego is so huge, ita just not viable that he's a idiot....according to him.
Lol. What a narco
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Flogs or not.....hope they really go after him hard....
the only one who would is barrett. The rest of them ask the nice fluffy questions so they dont get upset and not come back on the show.
Unfortunately he isn't going on Footy Classified Angus
He will be on Talking Footy - with Darcy, Watson & Carey
then out of that lot only carey will ask that something that we would.
Darcy :chuck
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Arseholes. Happy to take our future fund money off the back a deliberately shortened rebuild expected to fail, then blame the fans.
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
:clapping
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:thumbsup :thumbsup
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So, same old, same old.
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From Barrett:
IF .... the Tigers don't make flawless list decisions from here ...
THEN .... yet more, and possibly greater, pain lies ahead. List is a mess and seemingly Hardwick, who has influenced its content, is the only person who doesn't see it that way.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-08/sliding-doors-round-16-2016-afl
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From Barrett:
IF .... the Tigers don't make flawless list decisions from here ...
THEN .... yet more, and possibly greater, pain lies ahead. List is a mess and seemingly Hardwick, who has influenced its content, is the only person who doesn't see it that way.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-08/sliding-doors-round-16-2016-afl
:clapping
The only wise thing this prick has said
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From Barrett:
IF .... the Tigers don't make flawless list decisions from here ...
THEN .... yet more, and possibly greater, pain lies ahead. List is a mess and seemingly Hardwick, who has influenced its content, is the only person who doesn't see it that way.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-08/sliding-doors-round-16-2016-afl
Just another chicken little. The sky isn't falling we have a middling list it's time to improve it not rebuild it from scratch.
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From Barrett:
IF .... the Tigers don't make flawless list decisions from here ...
THEN .... yet more, and possibly greater, pain lies ahead. List is a mess and seemingly Hardwick, who has influenced its content, is the only person who doesn't see it that way.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-08/sliding-doors-round-16-2016-afl
Just another chicken little. The sky isn't falling we have a middling list it's time to improve it not rebuild it from scratch.
No.
Middling sides with middling lists either make up the numbers/ get destroyed in finals or are competative to make finals but fall slightly short.
We were a middling side in in the last 3 seasons but are now not even that. 13th by the end of this round.
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From Barrett:
IF .... the Tigers don't make flawless list decisions from here ...
THEN .... yet more, and possibly greater, pain lies ahead. List is a mess and seemingly Hardwick, who has influenced its content, is the only person who doesn't see it that way.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-08/sliding-doors-round-16-2016-afl
Just another chicken little. The sky isn't falling we have a middling list it's time to improve it not rebuild it from scratch.
Deledio rance jack won't be around or ever.
The clock is ticking
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
And what were we going to trade for them pray tell? The top picks everyone demanded we hold onto or the stuffing duds nobody wanted? Other teams had depth and talent to work with we were bottom of the ladder and had been for ages, nobody wanted our poo when they could get decent players and picks. We didn't have picks because those pricks had em all. We were one of the most compromised clubs in the AFL when they brought those two new franchises in, the AFL knew it and there was talk about it and compensation. We decided to be too proud because of public perception and allowed ourselves to be set up for another decade of failure. If you cannot see that and did not see it coming I don't know what to tell you. We were stuffed from the outset and any compensation would not of made much difference. We need to game the system like every other club. Bottom out, trade like whores, sell our soul, hock our arses. The consequence might be success but then a lot of us will just walk away from the game I spose. It is already looking like a game of stuffing monopoly rather than a sport.
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
Great post there have been so many opportunities to build a strong list under hardwick and invariably we have spurned those opportunities.An awful lot of those opportunities could have been done fairly cheap as well.
Name one area of the footy club where quality and depth in any area has dramatically improved under Hardwick.
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The weak draft argument is pathetic.
No one forced Richmond to recruit every mature aged dud they could find and play them at the expense of our youngsters. That was a strategy they chose and one they need to be removed for.
GWS and GCS drafts provided unprecedented opportunities for recruiting departments.
Those clubs were never going to be able to keep the talent they had coming into their clubs. They even traded out quality youngsters for mature age recruits to balance out their lists.
The strategy should have been to poach as many top end youngsters from GWS and GCS as possible while looking for trade opportunities of quality mature age players from struggling clubs. There has been a massive movement of talent over the last five years or so and all Richmond has managed to attract are VFL level duds who they will have to replace again in two years time.
How do you get quality mature agreed players from struggling clubs without paying overs given your 6 million in debt?
If you were going to get mature quality players you were competing with GC and GWS who took all the retirees for 4 years because they had a huge pile of underpaid kids.
Part B of your strategy was almost impossible. We did miss out on Collingwood retiree Leon Davis but everybody here poo pooed that one. At least he could kick.